I like how these people run their mouths off about this and that in videogames, yet they never give us examples of games that let you that shit.

Someone show me a game where you can rape women.

@Void Munashii

I think the LaRouche group beat Vaz to that allegation...

Ok - so we have an 'ethical and moral' politician telling us how horrible video games are. What a wonderful upright person!!

From: http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/6303

“In February 2000 the Parliamentary standards watchdog Elizabeth Filkin was requested to investigate allegations of undisclosed payments to Vaz from businessmen in his constituency. The following year, 2001, members of the opposition began to question what role Vaz may have played in helping the billionaire Indian Hinduja brothers - linked with a corruption probe in India - to secure UK passports.

“In March 2001, the Filkin report cleared Vaz of nine of the 18 allegations of various financial wrongdoings, but Elizabeth Filkin accused Mr Vaz of blocking her investigation into eight of the allegations. He was also censured for one allegation - that he failed to register two payments worth £450 in total from Sarosh Zaiwalla, a solicitor whom he recommended for an honour several years later.

“Mrs Filkin announced in the same month a new inquiry which would focus on whether or not a company connected to Vaz received a donation from a charitable foundation run by the Hinduja brothers. The results of the inquiry were published in 2002 and it was concluded that Vaz had "committed serious breaches of the Code of Conduct and contempt of the House" and it was recommended that he be suspended from the House of Commons for one month.

“Keith Vaz was also a director of the company General Mediterranean Holdings' owned by the Anglo-Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, who had in the past hired British politicians Lord David Steel and Lord Norman Lamont as directors. Vaz resigned his post as director when he became Minister for Europe, but it was later discovered that he had remained in contact with Auchi and had made enquiries on his behalf over a French extradition warrant, Auchi even calling Vaz at home to ask the minister for advice.

More - from same Page:

Political observers note that Keith Vaz has been lobbying on behalf of the banned Tamil Tigers. It is the practice of the Tamil Tigers to infiltrate left-wing political centres in Western democracies – particularly offices of parliamentarians from Toronto to Sydney – and manipulate the system to gain political mileage.

Oh, what about that group, eh? They wouldn't be a militant group would they?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ltte.htm

See for yourself.

Hey - I just googled it - try it yourself - I'm sure there's more out there.

What game lets you rape people? Stupid politicians.

Yeah, where are all these extremely violent & sadistic games I keep missing? First there was eyeball gouging & now rape? Bah.

Oh wait, I'll lay odds that the perverted bastard was playing one of those hentai games, there's BOUND to be one of those that lets you rape schoolgirls with your tentacles.

Ill just point out to the people on this forum that maybe aren't too familar with Mr Vaz's position in UK politics, that he is actually a largely ignored pillock, whose frequent repeated attempts at forcing this issue within Parliament has earnt him the contempt of those within his own party and, according to reports, the Prime Minister, who simply regards him as an annoyance.

This man has no PULL in politics.

Thank God I don't live in England.

In all fairness, Vaz sounds like a compete retard. The media doesn't need to make him look foolish, he does it for himself.

Nice picture, Keith. You look just as stupid as your words sound.

Custers Revenge
the rapes not really interactive and the graphics are very crude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge
There is also a rape scene in phantasmagoria, but that is not interactive either, and I'm not really sure if it would be considered rape or just rough sex, its been a while since I have seen it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game)

This article shows that some politicians aren't as stupid as we think.

Especially MP Edward Vaizey, who's response to Keith's rape in games claim as "You're full of crap, you know that?" and "What game is this?"

I'm surprised Keith didn't reply "Battletoads".

I've heard of a few "rape" games, all for the Japanese market and all for Microsoft Windows. The console makers use 100' poles to keep that crap away.

Perhaps Vaz was thinking of a flash game playable on the PSP's web browser?

"and London is the centre of that industry."


Hahahahahahahahaha... If anything, Tokyo is in he center of it. There are developers and gamers all over the globe, FYI.

@ Cheater87

Get used to it- that seems to be where it is heading. Just wait until that "study" by that TV personality (WTF LOL) comes out. Europe in general is going in that direction...the US & Canada will go that route later on as well (they tend to lag behind Europe by a few years).

So will other countries that use PEGI have censored games as well? So people from the UK can import.

If keith vaz or anyone else for that matter stood up in parliment and told blatant lies about any other industry they'd be called to account for it and even disciplined in some way so why is it ok for them to slander the video games industry??

The industry is one of the strongest and most powerful in the media today, and London is the centre of that industry.

No offense to anyone that lives there, but I'm fairly certain that London isn't remotely the center of the industry. It's got a few centers, but none of them are London.

Whenever those of us who raise the issue of video games have done so positively in relation to concerns about violence, we have been pilloried in the press that is sponsored by the video games industry for trying in some way to destroy it.

That's because that's what you're doing, Vaz. Stop talking nonsense and we'll stop saying that you're talking nonsense. Problem solved.

Oh man, it get's nastier as you look deeper.

The company mentioned 'GMH' above - seems to be in a bit of controversy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections...


According to prosecution documents Mr Rezko tried to persuade unnamed Illinois officials to help Mr Auchi to get a US visa after he was convicted of fraud in France. Mr Obama’s aides deny that he was approached.

Mr Rezko has been indicted for pressuring companies seeking state business for kickbacks and campaign contributions, although none for Mr Obama. He was granted bail in October 2006. He told a judge that he had no access to overseas money. But in April 2007 Mr Auchi’s business, General Mediterranean Holding (GMH), wired $3.5 million to Mr Rezko from a bank account in Beirut via a law firm.

Hint:

“Keith Vaz was also a director of the company General Mediterranean Holdings’ owned by the Anglo-Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi,

Just more info I found - feel free to come to conclusions yourself.

Missed that about London.

Yeah, if there's a centre of the industry, it's in the US. If there's a UK centre, development-wise it's either in the midlands or the North East.

Perhaps there's a lot of business-types in London (publishers, UK offices of foreign devcos etc), but not much in terms of actual games.

/b

Keith Vaz really isn't taken seriously in the UK as a politican. Hes like Jack Thompson with his assertions.

If UK people want to have a look at my site (www.stateofgameplay.com) its an attempt to make a UK version of Game Politics, with UK centric stories. Any one who wishes to help me with it in anyway, especially with the Byron review upcoming, is more than welcome to email me paul at stateofgameplay dot com.

What a dick. Learn to think, damnit.

This obviously wasn't the first time that Vaz or others have made such a comment.

Yet, who speaks out? Another politician. And still referring to Vaz as honorable and gentleman. Seriously, tradition or policy aside, someone just needs to call Vaz a lying git.

Had this been the US, the ESRB, the ESA, and perhaps even the ECA would have sent out press releases. They would have done so no matter who else spoke up.

C'mon, BBFC, you're "independant". Call Vaz out. It appears you have other political support. Speak up for crying out loud!

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

Canary Wundaboy,
It would seem to me that if the BBFC spoke up without concern for losing favor with the government, then that would would PROVE its independance.

After all, if they could speak out, setting the record straight, they would also be showing themselves to be supporting the idea of informing individuals and Parents.

And if the government retaliated, then the government should be brought to task.

But this way, it seems like the BBFC is being told "sit down, shut up, and we in the government will speak for you".

Now, if the politician said "I checked with our official ratings board, the BBFC, and I don't see the game Vaz is talking about." And then, the BBFC came out and said "that's correct, we have no record of any such game". Well, that just sounds like a confirmation of the politician's statement.

Nightwng2000
NW2K software

@ Nightwing

I believe this conversation has already been had in a recent topic, and it is just as apparent here that our opinions on this matter are inconsolable. The BBFC is an independant body, it is not funded by the government and has no political agenda. The only relationship between the 2 is that government has given the BBFC power to judge particular types of media and that their judgements are legally enforcable.

The BBFC already takes numerous steps to inform parents, they have a separate website for parents (www.pbbfc.co.uk) as well as their other duties of ratings explanation and proper notices of ratings in retailers.

The BBFC is quite happy working away without having to get involved in this debate. It is a public body in place to serve the public, it doesnt HAVE a political agenda, getting involved in politics will only serve to undermine its own position, there is nothing to gain from it.

Also I should point out, the comment from the MP that he had checked with the BBFC about the existence of such a game took place in closed Parliamentary discussion. You can't just barge in and announce your piece. If the BBFC wanted to make a public statement they could, but as I already stated, getting involved in politics is a slimy business, and nobody ever comes out clean.

Someone sitting at a computer playing a video game, or someone with one of those small devices that young people have these days, the name of which I forget - PlayStations or PSPs, something of that kind…

I'm sure I'm not the only one that stopped here.

Clearly we're dealing with an expert here, folks!

In other news, video games have interactive pedophilia... and interactive necrophilia, and interactive... what? what games you ask? why would you ask me? ppft.

Well in GTA Vice City....if you had a hooker in your car....and drove against a wall so she couldnt leave...your health kept going up as if she was having sex, and then she started screaming...if that counts...but thats about it...

Ok, I know it's not exactly in the way that Vaz implied and in fact I only heard this from a friend that played the game so I could be wrong, but doesn't Fallout 2, at one point, give you the option of raping someone? Someone else who's played the game or has read about it enough should confirm or deny it and shed some more light on the subject, I'm pretty sure if it does tho it's probably in some RPG fashion of selecting from a menue and doesn't graphically show much if anything, just thought it was worth pointing out if it is true tho...

@ Nightwing

The move by an independent body such as the BBFC to correct the statement of an MP would be seen by the party concerned to be an unequivocal attack on their member, while the opposition would attempt to maximise the publicity out of it. The media would then get heavily involved, all of which is hassle the BBFC cannot simply be bothered with.

In this case Mr Vaz raised a fact that as incorrect, the fact was then questioned later in the same debate. The issue is closed, why bother making a mountain out of a molehill?

The only reason we are discussing this at all is becuase a media source has isolated and highlighted a single incorrect line of text and presented it in a sensationalist manner. The BBFC doesnt want the hassle of having the same occur throughout our entire national press, they are a low key organisation and want to remain so.

Someone must be doing all their research at J-List.

Oh, and don't forget another Vaz's quote :

"The issue concerns our children and protecting them from the violence that video games sometimes portray. The vast majority of video games sail through the classification; I think the figure was 99 per cent. We are talking about the tiny minority of games that are full of dreadful violence: glorification of the Nazis, violence against women and, in the case of the game "Bully", violence against children. That is what the Bill addresses, not freedom of speech or censorship. I hope that it gets a fair wind from the House."

"Whenever those of us who raise the issue of video games have done so positively in relation to concerns about violence, we have been pilloried in the press that is sponsored by the video games industry for trying in some way to destroy it."

No shit, because youre ingorant fucktards!

Vaz is a corrupt moron.

Hey I Know, are there any video games with corrupt politics who take bribes.

Cause maybe those influenced Vaz.

The problem is that Vaz might have been a cabinet minister by now but several questions about his integrity pretty much killed his political career.

As a result the only thing that ever gets him any attention is violent media, so he milks it for all he is worth.

The guy is what is wrong with politics, he is self serving, corrupt and a joke

What the hell??????????????

[...] Aujourd’hui, les choses ont changé. Le peu de respect que j’avais pour ce type s’est envolé pour longtemps. Même s’il est moins actif et bien moins teigneux que Jack Thompson, il est capable de descendre aussi bas. Et dans son cas, c’est plus grave, parce qu’il s’agit d’un élu du peuple. Que s’est-il donc passé ? Il y a quelques jours, un débat a eu lieu à la Chambre des Communes Britannique, à propos d’une loi visant à renforcer les pouvoirs de la BBFC (British Board of Film Classication), l’organisme chargé de classer les films et les jeux vidéo (1). Et lors de ce débat, Keith Vaz s’est particulièrement illustré, ainsi que nous l’apprend GamePolitics. [...]

@ King of Fiji
And think of all the EVEN WORSE stuff NOT on Jlist...

And yeah, there are H-games where you do rape women, but that's all they are: games. With fictional women, fictional rapists, and fictional TMI content, all of which are but products of the author's imagination.

If anything, H-games have the potential to REDUCE rape by giving would-be rapists an outlet.

Hey, hey! It's the return of the Hamburglar!
*ba-dum psssh* :D

@Matthew
So YOU'VE been writing all these comments?
Think before you type.

There's actually a character in Japan called "Rapeman". He rapes people.

Maybe Kaz has a secret, Japanese rape fetish? It'd be like a homophobe being gay, except, it'd just be an "honorable" old guy being secretly pervy.

His ignorance scares me.

Isn't that why you don't re-elect them?

Coravin:

Not just incompetant, but corrupt too. He was accused of helping a couple of businessmen in his constituency of getting passports in return for payments made to him. I recall he was suspended from the House of Commons for a while but I don't think any formal charges were brought. Either way, he's hardly the most moral upstanding person in the world.

Matthew:

"So Vaz is partially right. There are rape games out there. They’re just not on the shelves and not on any handhelds. Oops."

Well not exactly, no. Those games do not get sold in this country and therefore do not come under the remit of the BBFC. Thus holding them up as examples of the gaming industry is like holding up snuff films as an example of the film industry.

Blase:

"Dear god.. and here I was, thinking that some of the MPs in my country were retarded asshats.."

Alas, yes, we have our fair share over here too :/

Battle Raper... and it's sequel...

*sigh*

British MPs are immune to libel and slander laws whilst speaking in "The House" which is why he can come out with this sort of stuff. Other than that, what can you expect of someone who uses videogames to further his career. He was railing about putting age certificates on games years after the BBFC had already started to do so.

@ TruthVersesEvil
Thanks for clearing that up, I was pretty sure you didn't actually see any sex and that the rape was more or less implied and the only interactivity involved was the same interactivity involved in slashing someone with a sword in an RPG by choosing "Attack" from a menue. In other words, I was pretty certain that it wasn't at all what our good friend across the pond implied it was. I just figured if we were going to say there was no such industry made game we might as well go full disclosure.

It's just that the ignorance of people truly astounds me.

I think that he knows full well that the games kids will get access to have no rape in them. What I think is that he has heard a bit about Mass Effect and taken it from there, of course without fully researching the topic.

It's a politicians lot to over sensationalize problems and make themselves look like the heroic combatant and our last hope against such an evil.

I am fully surprised that Vaz hasn't outwardly denounced his time with good old Jack, because everyone even common media generally knows how mentally unstable he is and how little sense he makes. Vaz is probably afraid of another of Thompson's petty little lawsuits that he throws at anyone who disagrees with him.

That being said, the British Parliament has a history of over sensationalizing everything they deal with in order to get the publics support.

On top of that, I think a lot of these conflicts come from the stereotypes everyone seems to have with us. ex: All gamers are kids, all gamers are boys, no one who plays video games has a life, if you spend too much time playing video games you become unstable."

Never mind the fact That most gamers are of the age 18-32 and that 38 percent of gamers are female.

Since these facts are unknown to them for some reason(cough cough ignorance) they assume that the game industry is like some kind of evil industry that they couple with the tobacco industries because they assume they're just representing their own interests. Maybe if they knew that the industry and the ECA are also largely representing gamers as well they would begin to understand.

and goddamit if I hear another referance to Craig Anderson's crappy studies that state violence in games is harmful to a developing mind. They use him just to cloud the issue, and goddamit there are neutral scientist's who note that Andersons studies are of a crappy quality

He probably wants a rape game.

The dude has 'moron' written across his forehead. Don't listen to him.

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