As
GamePolitics readers know, controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson has been involved in a protracted legal struggle with the Florida Bar and the Florida Supreme Court.
The Bar, which placed Thompson on trial for allegations of professional misconduct in December, is pursuing discipline which could ultimately see Thompson stripped of his license to practice law.
The Florida Supreme Court, meanwhile, has
grown weary of Thompson's many filings, which it terms abusive of the legal process. Based on a recent show cause order, it seems likely that the Supreme Court will soon refuse to accept anything submitted by Thompson. The Florida Supremes also have a hand in Thompson's troubles with the Bar. The Supreme Court, for example, appointed the referee, Judge Dava Tunis, who presided over Thompson's Bar trial and will soon issue a ruling on her findings.
That's the backstory. Late Tuesday afternoon, Thompson sent
GamePolitics an e-mail which contained a new filing with the Florida Supreme Court. The
document (MS Word) was CC:'d to numerous attorneys, Florida Bar officials, and even state prosecutors. For the most part, it was standard-issue Thompson bluster, but we took note of the final sentence:
Below is what The Florida Bar will look like if [the Florida Supreme] court acts affirmatively on its show cause order, figuratively speaking, of course:
The picture is that of a devastated building, possibly from World War II. Given Thompson's contentious history with the Bar, we found the sentiment expressed by the picture somewhat questionable, so we asked Thompson about it in a series of e-mails:
GP: ...if some kid sent you that picture and said that’s how your house would look, figuratively, of course, I gotta think you’d say it was a threat, no?
JT: You know what the word "figuratively" means, right? Also, the notice was sent to the court
sans the image. that was to gig the bar governors getting it. you have to have fun at times.
GP: Do you remember those kids a few years back who made that cartoonish instant message icon that had a big rock rolling over a little stick figure of you and
you called the NYPD because you said it was threat? Weren’t they just having fun? What’s the difference?
JT: Dennis, I know you are challenged by life and by reasoning, but the pleading says "figuratively." Check yourself into a mental health facility.
GP: So, do you really think that instant message icon [back in 2005] was really a threat? Do you think anyone will consider [your e-mail] relating the FL Bar office to a picture of a bombed-out building [a] threat?
JT: Uh, Dennis, I really think you have lost your mind. I'm not posting threats anonymously. If I had intended these people harm, I would have done that quite sometime ago. The notice to the court was
sans the picture. Get a grip, Dennis. You're so intent on destroying me that you have lost it. You understand what "figuratively" means, or don't you? Stop bothering me.
GP: What do you suppose would happen to a high school student who sent that pic to his school with the “figurative” comment that this is what the school would look like if he didn’t get his way?
JT: You're boring, Dennis
GP: That’s not an answer to the question.
UPDATE: Some readers have informed us that the picture is of
Hiroshima's Peace Memorial Dome.
UPDATE 2: Some of Thompson's other legal theatrics are getting some crossover mainstream attention at
Slate...
UPDATE 3: Someone apparently e-mailed Thompson with some rather disgusting "figurative" comments. That kind of thing, frankly, does nothing to help the image of gamers. But, in any event, Thompson and I had this exchange concerning the "figurative" e-mail he received :
JT: Dennis, I'm sure you deplore the [nasty e-mail], which you're responsible, for, right?
GP: Actually, I do deplore that. Responsible? No. Everyone is, of course, responsible for their own actions. You know, I’m trying to remember who created that e-mail about the Bar Building looking blown up… and who sent it to me knowing that I publish things… And who answered my several follow-up questions about it…. Wait – it was you!
UPDATE 4: 1PM, Sunday... another e-mail from Thompson:
Wow, that "Jack Thompson threatens to bomb The Florida Bar" has gotten tremendous traction, hasn't it? Apparently you're the only vendetta-obsessed loon who wanted to take it that way. Poor Dennis, captured by your own industry agenda.
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But it really shows how low that asshole can sink when he used a picture describing the effects of Nuclear War (take note of the devestation around the building, and keep in mind that building was almost at Ground Zero; 50 meters away)
I really hope Thompson gets nailed for this, this is very disrespectful for those who survived that incident, and disrespecting the monument which serves as a reminder of the devestation of what happens when a populace gets nuked
Let's see the checklist of major game antagonizers...
Uwe Boll - Tax loophole closed up, forced to go back to small movies or no movies at all.
Jack Thompson - Pending termination; scheduled for disbarment at the end of April. (How could he /not/ be disbarred for all of this?)
Fox News - Still active, but that front is where we have the most allies.
We're making progress, people. Take a deep breath and smile. Soon it'll all be over.
Well, it's stuff like this that make me think that Thompson will have a mental break down if disbarred, go on a shooting spree, shoot himself in the leg, then toss the gun to some teenage boy just so he can shout "That gamer did it!!! See he shot me and all these people, videogames make kids murder!!!"
While I admit that I may have a rather vivid imagination, reality is steadily catching up to it.
He's falling down this deep, deep grave he dug when he started this little crusade.
It won't end well at all.
That's probably more of a rhetorical question because I just don't see anyway anybody, sane or no, can find a way to make JT's actions seem like a good idea. I imagine Brittney Spears would look at his antics and even she would quip "That dude is nuts!"
"Parody" and "Sarcasm" are just two such words.
Let's not forget the kid who emailed John Bruce that stupid sarcastic email about asking him for advice on how to obtain weapons for use in his own school attack.
Let's also not forget that Federal Authorities (FBI and Homeland Security for example) don't give a flying fart about attempts to downplay comments made. You can be arrested for even saying "I DON'T have a bomb!" in an airport or getting into an argument with an airline stewardess.
And how about the ever popular investigation into kids who made maps based on their schools for their FPS games?
Stand in the middle of a Federal Courtroom and make that comment with "figuratively speaking" included and see how fast you get arrested.
And let's not forget John Bruce's past conflicts with the Florida Bar and the Federal Supreme Courts. Any reason why Federal Authorities SHOULD outright ignore such claims, even with "figureatively speaking" included?
John Bruce is better than Ghost Hunters. All his past actions are going to end up haunting him, proving the existance of ghosts better than anything else.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I hear you, opinion from a unbiased shrink is definitely needed!
I seriously would not show up for work if I worked in the Florida Bar as long as he is around and that ispretty much what I told them. Just said I was worried for others saftey.
... but now that I think about it.. I'm a gamer and should have known better!
I don't care about other people! they are just fodder for me to shoot when I go on a shooting spree!
"If I had intended these people harm, I would have done that quite sometime ago."
"You’re boring, Dennis"
Do we even NEED a reason to hate this guy anymore? I mean, come on...
Jack, I’m sure your parents deplore the nasty offspring which they’re responsible for, right?
Also - someone Dugg this story. Give it a Digg if you think it's worthy
You are right, I keep forgetting that.
He sure has the trolling "anything that happens or I do is a win" part down.
Comments by jack in one of the more recent stories on him mentions his phone number (the comment had something to do with a reporter, I can't remember the context exactly), maybe you could phone him and ask if he'd be willing to be interviewed and get his email from him then.
Some people don't even hint that they're gamers and he STILL assumes that they are...
Does GP have a regular forum, or is it all simple responses?
And how does one post a conversation had with Jack Thompson?
I've contacted him (no, I won't give you his email!), and I'm hoping to report the results of my article to GP (with Mr. Thompson's permission, of course).
Thanks, brother. (In Gamer Society VS Jack Thompson, we're all brothers/sisters.
All but the part about the court already being fully aware of Spitzer's conduct (as is 99% of all Americans) and the implications of it to his license to practice.
It'd be kinda like me writing the Florida Bar (and cc'ing the media) to tell them that Jack Thompson's mentally unfit to practice law and should be disbared. That ain't breaking news to them, I think.
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/news/2008/03/12/wants_spitzer_suspend...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_%28attorney%29
Not being mean to anyone in any way. Just thought I'd make this available to the users that frequent GP.
Other than that I just don't know what to say anymore... well except "What's the f***ing holdup, Florida?!"
Oh hey Jack, this is what you're going to look like when the bar's done with you: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/redbaerd/baloney.gif. Don't worry, it's 'figurative.'
A quick google image search for "hiroshima" will garner you a copy of the image as the third hit via this site: http://students.umf.maine.edu/~donoghtp/Images.htm
The building jumped out at me because I just watched an episode of the History's Channel's "Cities of the Underworld" that showed it.
-b00ga
"It's perfectly normal and acceptable for me, but not so for you."
Someone revoke his license already and get him help ASAP. He's delusional and a danger to himself and others.
I'm fairly certain that's a threat, indirectly.
You know how sometimes the people who commit hate crimes against gays do it because they are closet homosexuals themselves? I'm starting to wonder if Thompson knows he's borderline unhinged and he's afraid that video games might push *him* over the edge.
Poor JT. He just doesn't understand irony, or someone.
By the way, that's the Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Dome.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Japan/Hiroshima/AtomicDome/index.ht...
Thats right, JT thinks he's going to drop an atom bomb on the Florida Supreme Court and Bar. Yeah... very professional. Not.
He's still allowed to practice law, that's what's wrong.
Can I move the Jack Thompson Doom Clock's hands to 2 minutes 'til?
You're sure? The Architecture looks western to me.
-GP
You played that one perfectly. Such a hypocrite that Jackhole, isn't he?
I know what figuratively means, but it doesn't make any sense in the way he is using it. Now if he had sent a picture of a party, it would make sence, saying that the place would have an aire of festivities, it would be describing the feeling, not the look.
But the way he used it is dangerous. You can't make a threat of bombing the place then say "figuratively speaking" and it's ok. It would be like someone saying "We're coming over to feed you goldfish to your cat, your cat to your dog, then kill your dog and paint your house with it's entrails... figuratively speaking, of course."
The reason that doesn't work is that there isn't anyway to take that figuratively. If he had said, "Below is what The Florida Bar will feel like if [the Florida Supreme] court acts affirmatively on its show cause order, figuratively speaking, of course:" Then it would have been ok. you can figuratively describe the feeling of a place, or the change of feeling. But if you figuratively describe how a place will look, then that indicates a change in the looks of the place, in this case, what he is litteraly saying is that the place will change it's physical appearence to one of devistation. His sentance would still be construed as a threat exactly as he has written it.
He didn't just fail in court, it looks like he failed in English as well.
Answer the gorram question, asshat.
Yeah this statement figurative or not along with that picture can land Jack in more trouble seeing as how it can be considered a terrorist threat. Not saying JT is a terrorist mind you, I am just saying the remark along with the picture is a threat of terrorism.
Yup. Its very famous for being one of the few architectural structures to survive the Hiroshima blast. It still looks similiar, if you check the link posted, since they set it up as sort of a memorial or what not.
Don't mind me though. I'm a big WW2 buff. Either that, or I've been watching the History Channel too much.
They say turn about is fair play.
After all we are all speaking figuratively
and there isnt a threat because according to Jack Thompson
using Figuratively does not imply a threat. so therefore Jack Thompson is not being threatened.
Wow he was just asking a simple question. A good one at that. How is this any different from those kids? Just because you add the word “figuratively” into a thread doesn't make it any less of a threat.
If someone said "I'm going to crash a plane into the white house “figuratively” does this mean that it's not a threat?
Thompson is the one who should be checking into a mental house.
@Jack Thompson:
FYI, Jack, Judge Lenard was spotted entering the last monthly meeting of the National Association of People Out to Get Jack Thompson. You should just cut to the case and sue her, too. And, while your at it, demand her impeachment.
I am betting he is already on Judge Lenard's Bad side. Recused? its comming tomorrow. Tosses Jack out of court? as soon as she finishes reading the motion, gets into the court room and sees Jacks face.
what i nice guy, give him a break
GP: LOL, Scot...
I swear to God this man has no shame. It's like there is nothing except anger flowing inside his minuscule brain.
Listen Jackhole. I KNOW you're reading. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?
"Other than that I just don’t know what to say anymore… well except “What’s the f***ing holdup, Florida?!“"
I ask myself that every time I click a JT article on GP the last two months and discover it's NOT the highly-anticipated "JT Disbarred, Claims Alien Conspiracy" article.
GP: I understand. I just don't want to hand any ammunition to those who might seek to attack the site.
"Jack Thompson" and "sense of decency" don't properly belong together in the same sentence.
Knowing it's real, I have laughed out loud a few times lately while reading GP.
"You're boring, Dennis"... clearly the man just got owned.
You're right Jack, you do it so everyone knows you did it. That is why you are facing a disbarment.
What is it with Thompson and people being anonymous? He needs to realize not everyone likes to be noticed for every insignificant thing they do, unlike him. I'm sure if he looked hard enough he could find the person(s) that made that "threatening" IM icon, making them no longer anonymous.
Thompson is trying to use the whole "figurative" thing as a loophole. Since he explicitly said it was figuratively it isn't a threat, but the IM icon didn't say it so it must be a threat, never mind it never said this was going to happen to Thompson. I'm all for finding loopholes, but once it backfires on you, be prepared to face the consequences, which Thompson obviously isn't.
I'm threatening my liver with a bottle of good Irish whiskey on the day JT gets disbarred.
:D
Yes, we must all get roaringly drunk when said thing finally happens.
Dennis, it is your duty to commision a victory banner. And memorabilia.
Jack Thompson, Dishonest Bullsh!t Artist and I'm Not.
You sir have more patience or thicker skin than I do. I honestly cannot understand why you would interact with anyone who had a snit and tried to sue you.. Where you trying to extract some statement from him that he would just deny later (your hate has blinded you. that is not what I meant... blah blah)
Also the whole sans picture thing. It is freshing to see that even JBT can learn.. after sending gay porn and a picture of a donkey in judges robes anyways. The thing is, what was the picture of if not intended to be attached and a threat. Sorry jackie you can wiggle all you want but the question still remains. Why dig it up and attach it if you did not intend to use it?
Jack to the World: I'LL SUE YOU!!
The World to Jack: And lose in court, like you always do.
@arowe87, Good question.
He always goes totally batshit insane whenever I email him something. Not that I do that very often, but sometimes I just can't resist. I think the last time was well over a year ago. He absolutely loves to threaten me with sending the feds after me for sending him annoying anonymous emails.
There is a law that says that's actually illegal. The law was enacted about two years ago, if I remember correctly. Could be three years ago, too. Who the hell cares. It's never been tested in courts. Nobody has been sued over it.
He always shuts up when I tell him that the law only prohibits ANNOYING anonymous emails and ask him if he is annoyed. I guess he really wasn't annoyed.
A couple things definitely need to happen:
1. Jack and someone else with a brain need to go on CNN, MSNBC, or any of the other news networks for a debate. The following painful hilarity will end up being Jack's "McCarthy Moment", after which no one in the media will listen to him.
2. He needs to be barred from practicing law. Disbarment is a good first step. Preferably, also a ban on filing in other states and Federal court should be enacted as well.
3. Using his filings as evidence, he should be ordered by the court into a state psychiatric facility. There, he can get the help he so obviously needs.
My $.02.
To whomever just acquired his services for a lawsuit against Take-Two, if that person or firm actually exists: Do you want this kind of raving lunatic to be associated to you?
Jack can't stand annominity by those who disagree with him because it denies him the ability to employ his usual bag of dirty tricks against those he considers foes: calling your employer and making trouble for you at work, calling law enforcement and urging your arrest and prosecution, threatenting to sue or actually sueing you on some trumped-up, cockamamie theory, publicly maligning your character, etc., etc., etc. That's why Jack doesn't like it when folks have enough good sense not to identify themselves to him.
http://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/physical/glaciers/images/titanic.j...
Figuratively speaking that is.
But think about it. Grandiose claims (The Titanic is unsinkable! The Florida Bar/Take-Two/Dennis has made their last mistake!), followed by epic failure.
Which is exactly why I never communicate with the douche with my real name.
I used to hunt down spammers up until a few years ago. Some of them are WAY nastier than Jackhole is, but employ much the same tactics he does. I learned how to protect myself then.
Not that Jackhole would ever actually win a suit against me, but I just don't need the distraction and trouble of defending myself against baseless crap from him or his ilk. And I definitely don't need him calling my employer, even if they laughed at his face (one spammer, from Russia no less, actually called my employer once...it was a lot of fun).
"JT: You know what the word 'figuratively' means, right?"
Dennis knows. I know. The public at large knows.
But does the law know? Does the law draw a distinction based on the word "figuratively?" After all, if I sent you a note saying that I was going to do something which was "figuratively" akin to dropping a nuclear bomb on your house, that single word would not preclude a threat of bodily harm. In fact, based on the imagery accompanying the statement, it would potentially inspire fear for physical safety.
Granted, I wouldn't run for the bomb shelter, but "I'm going to figuratively reduce your place of business to a bombed out building," could mean a lot of things, including a threat of physical violence, and even a death threat. All the "figuratively" would indicate is that you're not going to do "exactly" as you stated, but close enough for hyperbole's sake.
The answer to question has something to do with the Bar not wanting to invoke the kind of response from Jack which they're now seeing. They've know all along that any attempt to rid themselves of the embarrasment to the Bar that Jack's been for many years now was going to be a long and costly uphill battle. So, I suspect that all their cost-benefit analyses, until recently, have turned out the result that it's better to live with the cancer than to surgically excise it (figuratively speaking), the cost of suffering being less than the cost of surgery. But it now appears that the analysis isn't quite shaking out in Jack's favor anymore. Things done finally changed.
This is where he'll be squeezing himself out of, in the fetal position, naked and crying and screaming. Unfortunately, he's so bloated on ego, he might get stuck.
"Figuratively speaking."
I could easily blast him(verbally) for saying what he said and the picture he used to describe what he intends to do, but doing so would be far to easy and be an utter waste of my time, energy, and just about everything else. Heck it is always easier to Verbally attack someone that you don't like which is kinda what everyone here is doing now(not that I am chastising anyone for it). While I will not defend Mr Thompson's actions, I refuse to pick apart his choices in phrasing what he SAYS he will do(even though the picture he used was a bad choice). Everyone should know by now that he is really just talk and that he would never do anything that extreme(which is a good thing for him). He has never taken a swing at someone despite the fact that he essentially says(not literally) that he hates and will destroy anyone who disagrees with him.
Again and again I come to the same crossroad that appears whenever Jack Thompson is involved. I was taught as a child to treat others as you would have them treat you. Whenever I see him say or do something nasty, I try to find something honorable, noble, good, or even slightly decent about him, but I am always coming up short. It saddens me greatly. When the guys at Penny Arcade sent him those flowers in hopes of opening a dialog with him in regards to gaming, I was shocked and disgusted as a person and a Christian to hear his response. I am disheartened(and mildly amused) whenever Mr Thompson adopts that childish demeanor and insults(poorly) the person he is talking too when they are being civil.
Jack Thompson is right that children should not be playing games that are not meant for them, but he is going about the entire matter all wrong, not to mention attacking the wrong people.
So PLEASE, Mr Thompson! Come to your senses and stop this crazy "Crusade" against people that not only have done nothing wrong, but you have no chance of beating mainly because they are not the problem! Doing this may save not only your license, but what is now left of your Name. It is not to late to redeem yourself.
I would love nothing more than to see this man "disappear" while in custody of the FBI and turn up 5 years later in a Serbian prison.
And he's the most recognized name in anti-gaming sentiment. Why am I grateful for Jack Thompson? Because with him in the spotlight, it's like the opposition is being represented by a drunken circus monkey. Gaming has never really been in much danger with Jack at the wheel.
Oh yeh, sorry. Figuratively Speaking. Best Jack Quote EVER.
What I thought: So, Dennis is insane now? How does he reach that conclusion? Jack is seriously flailing now. How does he expect to have any chance now? He is going to end up in a psyche ward, then lets see politicians and the media call him an expert. So long, Jack.
I wonder if losing his license will finally prompt him to leave Planet Jack for a while and face reality?
As much as I think Thompson news is actually kind of fun, in the same way as news of the wierd, this isn't much - it's just him being a hypocrite. Nothing figurative about that.
Who would play Jack? Michael Douglas did a remarkable job in Falling Down of capturing the essence of someone slowing devolving into insanity. Plus, there's a close resemblance. That's my first casting choice.
I sincerely mean this, I'm not joking or spinning this. I'm now hoping he doesn't hurt himself or those he cares about.
Jack Nicholson did a great impression of a lunatic as Joker in Batman. Besides they have the same name (except that Jackhole isn't really Jack, but John Bruce, but whatever).
My vote goes to Jack (N.)!
The only person that can properly fill Jack's role is Gary Busey (he is the only actor out there thats almost as crazy as John Bruce, so it would not be much as a streach).
Nicholson also expertly played lunatics in both The Shining and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. He can to mind first, but I bumped him in favor of Michael Douglas because of the closer resemblance to Jack.
You may have wanted to say "of a stretch." But it's all good. I knew what you meant and ain't got nothing but love for you.
Now THAT'S the proof that Jack is:
- an incompetent lawyer
- a zealot
- a conspiracy theorist
- narcissistic
- egocentric
(the list goes on for an hour)
and most of all...a fool.
The last time I heard a story about a lawyer suing a bar, it didn't end well for the lawyer.
Jack, if you're reading... take a hint:
The animated Gif file wasn't sent to you, and didn't explicitly threaten you... yet you took it as a threat.
The letter with the bombed out picture wasn't sent to the BAR, and says the threat is figurative... yet you don't see the similarities?
The hypocracy!
Figuratively speaking, of course. There, now it's not a threat and no one should be irked by it.
...What?...
Thanks for the compliment.
The main reason I suggested Busey because the way he freaks out reminds me of John Bruce (Before and after this years Oscars [freaking out at Ryan Seacreast and Jennifer Garner, yelling at 10-year old internet blogger], his nonsense rambelings when he was on Cleberity Fit Club).
Its just seeing Jack's hissy fits at the Florida Bar (on Destructoid's video) reminded me of him.
I have to agree with you. It's a shame that his rants and raves have gotten to this point.
You have to wonder what his family is doing about all of this. Are they supporting him? Do they feel that what he is doing is for the greater good? We know that he believes that, but this man seems to have no outside support with any of this.
It's so hard to take him at his word because everything that he tends to say about video games has been disproved. We laugh at him and find his rantings humorous, but something has to be seriously wrong in his head to keep digging this hole he's in deeper and deeper.
If that is so, then his removal of the image from the document he actually sent to the Bar is an admission of his guilt of planning to blow up the florida bar.
Jack Thompson is a sick disgusting scumbag. A pathetic piece of shit. A worthless filth-ridden mound of feces in the shape of a person.
Figuratively, of course.
If that is so, then his removal of the image from the document he actually sent to the Bar is an admission of his guilt of planning to blow up the florida bar.
Jack Thompson is a sick disgusting scumbag. A pathetic piece of shit. A worthless filth-ridden mound of feces in the shape of a person.
Figuratively, of course.