Minnesota Loses Appeal of “Fine the Buyer” Video Game Law

Veteran GamePolitics readers may recall Minnesota’s unusual "penalize the buyer" approach to restricting sales of mature-themed games.

The 2006 Minnesota law sought to fine kids – not retailers – $25 for attempting to purchase a game for which the ESRB rating deemed them too young. The law was promptly overturned by U.S. District Court Judge James Rosenbaum, who, in a novel judicial move, tried out several violent games on his law clerk’s Xbox.

Following Judge Rosenbaum’s ruling that the law was unconstitutional, Minnesota opted to appeal to the 8th U.S. Circuit. That case was argued before the Court in February of last year. Now, as reported by the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, the 8th Circuit has upheld Judge Rosenbaum’s finding that the Minnesota law is unconstitutional. From the newspaper report:

While the judges upheld Rosenbaum’s ruling that violent games are entitled to First Amendment protections, they did so reluctantly.


[Judge] Wollman wrote that "whatever our intuitive (dare we say commonsense) feelings regarding the effect that extreme violence portrayed in the above-described video games may well have upon the psychological well-being of minors," precedent requires incontrovertible proof of a causal relationship between exposure to the games and some psychological harm.


The state failed to meet that burden, Wollman wrote… "Indeed, a good deal of the Bible portrays scenes of violence, and one would be hard-pressed to hold up as a proper role model the regicidal Macbeth," Wollman wrote.

GP: Judge Wollman’s critical comments regarding violent games are not especially surprising for those who may have listened to last February’s arguments. At that time the panel of three 8th Circuit Court judges asked some very pointed questions of video game industry attorneys.

The Minnesota case was also notable in that it produced some of the most inflammatory anti-game rhetoric this side of Jack Thompson. Bill sponsor Rep. Sandy Pappas (D, seen at left) rather famously said:

Legislators don’t worry too much about what’s constitutional.

In addition, then-Attorney General Mike Hatch (D) offered a legal opinion that, while violent games are indeed a form of speech, they are :

Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.

UPDATE: Bo Andersen, president of Entertainment Merchants Association (EMA), which represents a significant number video game retailers, offered reaction to the legal victory:

We are pleased that, yet again, a court has ruled that, like other forms of entertainment, video games are protected by the First Amendment and that laws that attempt to restrict their sale are unconstitutional. We believe far too much effort has been expended trying to pass and defend these laws, effort that could have been put to better use supporting the successful voluntary initiatives of the industry and retailers to ensure that children do not get games that are not appropriate for them.


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    […] This week has seen a striking revival of ‘video game legislation’ stories, from Massachusetts to Minnesota to England. Given the sudden resurgence of the issue, it seemed like an appropriate time to dissect the legal issue of ‘video game regulation’ on the Law of the Game operating table. The concept of government regulation is as much a legal construct as it is a political one, and to date, it has been the legal system’s role to strike down these regulations as a violation of free speech (although, it has recently been brought out that, at a minimum, Justice Scalia may not agree). The real issue at hand is where, if anywhere, a ‘video game law’ could fall in our legal system. […]

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    StealthKnight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The old dog did us a favor by ruling this proposed law unconstitutional, so I guess we can’t complain too much for now. When reading that quote though, I imagine a bull dog ripping apart some food while talking.

    Clever and Jackdon’tknowjack: Those are really good points that should be no-brainer for any lawmakers should see. Isn’t there a standered for what is considered art though?

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    Thanks. Here’s the dicta from ISDA v. St. Louis County regarding the issue of video games as First Amendment speech:

    If the first amendment is versatile enough to “shield [the] painting of Jackson Pollock, music of Arnold Schoenberg, or Jabberwockyverse of Lewis Carroll,” Hurley, 515 U.S. at 569, we see no reason why the pictures, graphic design, concept art, sounds, music, stories, and narrative present in video games are not entitled to a similar protection. The mere fact that they appear in a novel medium is of no legal consequence. Our review of the record convinces us that these “violent” video games contain stories, imagery, “age-old themes of literature,” and messages, “even an ‘ideology,’ just as books and movies do.” [citiation omitted] Indeed, we find it telling that the County seeks to restrict access to these video games precisely because their content purportedly affects the thought or behavior of those who play them.

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    masterofpsi says:


    No, I was too busy blasting it. It is a form of media I don’t approve of, so it must be bad.

    *bursts out laughing, unable to keep a straight face*

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    N1nj4Br34dm4n says:


    I’m not sure but, if your under eighteen wouldn’t your legal guardians be the ones responsible for paying the fine for you. I’m sure that wouldn’t make them happy and probably keep a closer eye on what their kids are buying. Then the rating system actually gets used by them and they stop letting their kids buy things their parents don’t want them to….thus making everyone realize the system works and everyones happy…except Mike Hatch.

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    vasudean says:

    Yay! Common Sense conquers all!!! Penalizing kids extra money is kind of an oxymoron. It makes about as much sense as stealing from poor people.

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    Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Hans Moleman

    And even in Bioshock, you’re coaxed to “save” the little sisters if you’re keen on getting the happy ending.

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    Clever ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah but did you see ‘Romantic Comedy #2,405,603’? Absolutely brilliant!

    Oddly enough I still find this strange. A photograph is art and a movie, which is simply a bunch of photographs shown in rapid succession, is art. So we can deduce that a photograph is art. And since photos created by 3D rendering programs are art and are often included in movies then it would seem fair that since games are nothing but 3d photos (in the end) rendered in rapid succession they should be art as well on the basic principle that a picture of anything is in fact art. What other form of free speech let’s you experience in such depth the complexity of its story however? Free speech on the lowest societal level? Games and real time simulations are the evolution of free speech – we’re not just watching and hearing our art we’re bloody well interacting with it!



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    Hans Moleman says:

    “…there may be few, if any, other forms of speech, even though protected, that are of any lesser societal value than repulsive video games depicting the bloody slaughter of babies and animals, urination and defecation, rape, decapitation, dismemberment and disembowlment.”

    I can see where he got some of it from… hunting games, poo jokes, postal depicting peeing on corpses, Doom/Quake/SoF gibbing.

    But seriously?

    Baby Slaughter? the only things i know that are close to this are perverted versions of babies (not babies) e.g. Doom 3’s cherubs, ghost kids from prey, little sisters from bioshock

    Rape? Phantasmagoria has one but its not condoning it and its filmed, thus making it like a number of movies (1 game btw)

    Disembowelment? Interesting. I don’t hear him complaining about the saw movies

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    Nitherean ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What REALLY effects a community?

    Two youths shot to death by gang violence?

    Or 680,000 pixels coverted to other colors in a game?

    Put in another way.

    What is more important:

    That which takes place in reality? Or that which takes place in fantasy?

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    TBoneTony ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    I could say the same thing about Fox NEWS…

    But they can lie to everyone and sensationalism because they do have that freedom of speech.

    And Videogames,movies, music and every other entertainment medium even the internet have that right for freedom of expression regardless of what other people might think.

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    Coravin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Dog Welder

    Good point. It’s easy to mad at these judges for their clear ignorance of matters over which they legislate. Or for their frequent (but not unanimous) unwillingness to learn better and their failure to comprehend that they’re the ones out of sync with society and railing about the new media just like their forefathers. But we really do owe them props for NOT bludgeoning us with their opinions and ignorance, and FOR making reasonable and lawful decisions.

    So, judges: for remaining faithful to the constitution and objective enough to recognize that hearsay and supposition and unscientific studies in no way qualify as proof, we salute you.

    @ Matthew Mistalski

    No, speech is speech UNLESS it causes clear (and actual) harm to persons or government–or, in some cases, the prevailing moral standard. Fortunately for gamers, taking videogames as a whole, we not only have no real harm of a physical/mental/emotional/government, but we also have clear physical and mental positive effects.

    Because videogams are not even remotely harmful to minors, not even tangentially as some (very specific) forms of porn-related activities can be, the efforts to legislate them like porn will always fail. Regardless of how merited porn regulation is, videogames are so far unlike porn, and so very much like movies (only less violent, in general) that the games-as-porn laws are dead in the water.

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    Matthew Mistalski says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    Isn’t that an example of “We are equal but I am more equal than you”?

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    Just because one has a penchant for alliterations doesn’t make one a douche. Just kidding.

    He kinda does makes me wanna bump PE’s “Don’t Believe the Hype.” At high volume.

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    N1nj4Br34dm4n says:


    It looks as though he has. I stand corrected. I didn’t quite realize how big of a douche he was. I guesss my letter might need a bit of a revision at this point, in view of these facts.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    Seems a little weird that the court would say that videogames are protected speech and therefore subject to protections under the 1st Amendment and therefore subjected Minnesota’s law to strict scrutiny. I’d have thought it’d be more like the court said that videogames are protected speech and therefore subject to protections under the 1st Amendment but, just to add a pair of suspenders to the belt, nevertheless subjected Minnesota’s law to strict scrutiny. Because, as you rightly pointed out and putting aside that the ESA challenged on both grounds, the court could have stopped once they got to “protected speech” conclusion.

    And I misspoke earlier. 14th is to state as 5th is to federal, not the other way around.

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    […] A long time ago, I posted an explainer of what had happened with Minnesota’s videogame violence law and why it was struck down by the courts. Apparently, Minnesota lawmakers couldn’t let well enough alone, so they appealed the decision. And GamePolitics reports that they’ve lost the appeal. This comes as a surprise to precisely no one. It was a little worrisome for a while because the panel of three judges asked some rather pointed questions of the games industry lawyers, and one of them hinted that declaring games to have free speech protection under the 1st Amendment went against her intuition. But in the end, the state couldn’t produce incontrovertible proof that games are harmful to children, so down the law went. […]

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    Xantar says:

    I read the original decision in which Judge Rosenbaum struck down Minnesota’s law. Keeping in mind that I’m not a lawyer (yet), my understanding is that his decision was based on an analysis of the law under both the 1st and the 14th Amendment. This is because the ESA challenged the law under both of those grounds, so he had to make a ruling on both.

    Judge Rosenbaum said that videogames are protected speech and therefore subject to protections under the 1st Amendment and therefore subjected Minnesota’s law to strict scrutiny. He found that the law did not hold up because it did not meet a compelling state interest (i.e. no proof that videogames make children violent) and it wasn’t narrowly tailored to meet that interest (i.e. the law was too broad and vague) — those being two of the prongs in the strict scrutiny test.

    He also found that the law was unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment because it essentially appointed the ESRB, which is not elected and does not answer to the public, to perform a government function. Thus, Minnesota’s law violates due process.

    So my understanding of his ruling is that Minnesota’s law was found unconstitutional under BOTH the 1st and 14th Amendment. Simply being unconstitutional under just one of those would have been enough to strike it down, but the ESA and the judge were being thorough. In order to prevail on appeal, Minnesota would have had to overturn Judge Rosenbaum’s ruling on both grounds, and it sounds like they fell short on both.

    I welcome clarifications or corrections from anybody with more expertise.

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    chadachada ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    For that matter, what game has rape, defecation or urination?

    I mean, yes, some zombie games or bloody games have dismemberment and stuff….but it’s not usually blood/gore for the sake of blood/gore, but rather to make the game cooler/more realistic/cooler

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    Pierre-Olivier ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    That’s simple: the ones that cases the more hype.

    Unfortunately, he mixed video games with car advertisement. Can’t say I blame him though. He’s an Attorney General after all. He probably said this to move unto more important matters.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    I dunno. Repudiator’s research does appear to have uncovered Mr. Hatch tending towards some very JT-like sounding pronouncements. And also exhibiting a penchant for alliterations.

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    Repudiator ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Anyone here dig through older GP articles to see what else Mr. Hatch has said?

    “…there may be few, if any, other forms of speech, even though protected, that are of any lesser societal value than repulsive video games depicting the bloody slaughter of babies and animals, urination and defecation, rape, decapitation, dismemberment and disembowlment.

    I don’t know about you guys, but I didn’t get angry at this statement. Naw… I laughed. Hard. It gave me a chuckle. I was in Gigglezville after reading that.

    Nevertheless, Fine the buyer? Right…

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    N1nj4Br34dm4n says:


    The article he was interviewed for was about this law. It wouldn’t make any sense to talk about any of those other things. As I said above, nobody, that I know of, here knows this man very well. He is not JT. He has not shown any JT like tendencies. Give him a break.

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    N1nj4Br34dm4n says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    I personlly do not mind what he said, that’s his opinion and he’s free to it. As a resident of MN I will be writing a letter to Mr. Hatch to try and make him more informed about video games, rather then flamming him on an internet thread which he will never see. One never knows… the man might find all violent media as having a “lower” value. Even living in this state i don’t know that much about the man. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    To the article: I thought the law was a very interesting idea. Insanely hard to regulate, but interesting. At least they didn’t try banning anything this time. I think it would have forced parents to have a bigger role. If you have to pay for your kid’s fine once, you’d probably be much more likely to watch over what they’re buying and playing.

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    KayleL ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.
    He just described many blockbuster movies, primetime shows, and the holy bible. But you see him calling them worthless, disgusting, or has very low societal value.

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    Shapenpen says:

    Finally something i can do in my state…I was begining to wonder when this appeal was going to happen. I contacted the author of the Startrib article to visit here to maybe shine some line for some ill informed media.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    And I suspect (without knowing much more than I’ve read in GP’s article) the issue presented by the Minnesota case wasn’t one for a First Amendment analysis but, rather, one for a 14th/5th (more likely 5th because the state not the fed is the attemptive regulator) Equal Protection Clause analysis. The legislation seems to have focused not on the product (i.e., the speech) but the product’s purchaser and, therefore, wouldn’t even implicate a First Amendment speech issue. That, I imagine, was how the legislators intended to completely bypass Miller and, instead, trigger the EPC analysis. But I am just guessing.

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    Dog Welder ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I just thought I’d pop in and applaud a judge who didn’t let personal feelings get in the way of a sound and correct judgment.

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    NovaBlack ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    yeah.. n i could say the same about religious texts. But i wouldnt because i have enough brain cells to work out that that is just my opinion, and i have no right to affect somebody elses right to that material based solely on my own opinion of it.

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    Tom ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Robert

    You’re right in that there are certain types of expression that aren’t protected. It comes down to an all-or-nothing situation in which provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn and defamation are specifically not protected by the First Amendment. I don’t understand them to be considered “less valued” expression under the law as much as they’re not even considered expression to begin with. They all tend to be fluid, though, and as far as I am aware are all subject to the Miller Test to some degree or another. Also, it’s important to note that the restrictions aren’t curtailing the expression itself as much as they are concerned with the effects of the expression.

    My issue was with Hatch’s assertion that violent video games were worth less as speech then other violent media. It ties into my long-time and intense frustration with people viewing video games as “expression, only less so.” It’s an all-or-nothing proposition. You either protect and value speech, or you don’t. You can’t protect and value speech that you like. That’s bullshit and Mr. Hatch is full of it.

    @ JustChris

    All expression is protected equally. So long as the KKK rally propaganda is inviting people to a lawful assembly and is not an incitement to riot they are within their rights. Hate speech is also generally protected so long as the effects of that hate speech will not cause it to fall under other, non-protected types of speech. For example, a KKK member can use racist terms as much as he or she likes, but if those racist terms are used to provoke or incite a riot then they would not be protected speech.

    My view on the matter is that you really need to allow everything. Restricting speech is a slippery slope that could lead to drastically reduced freedoms.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    Not really. I suspect you may be confusing a First Amendment analysis (which strives to detemine whether a particular piece of speech is protected (and therefore cannot be regulated) or not (and therefore can be regulated) with a 14th/5th Amendment analysis (which strives to determine whether the regulation of a particular piece of unprotected speech is constitutional). The 14th/5th Amendment analysis applies only to unprotected speech because if the speech is indeed protected by the First Amendment it simply cannot be regulated.

    It is confusing. And frequently tested on the Multistate. Heads-up.

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    Mr. Blond ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I was a little worried about this one, given the critical comments during the arguments. Still, I am glad they used the strictest standard of proof of harm, as opposed to the Ginsburg v. New York line, which would only be rational basis.

    One down, one to go…California’s appeal is the last one standing.

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    Robert says:


    My understanding is that it is an issue of what kind of scrutiny the Court places on the speech. Thus, if the speech is of “lesser value,” then the law regulating it would not be analyzed under strict scrutiny. For your example, so long as the KKK doesn’t somehow do it’s speech in a way that would result in it being categorized as “provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn and defamation,” then laws regulating their speech would be afforded higher scrutiny. It also seems that the Court has generally preferred to err on the side of free speech as opposed to the side of censorship (all three levels of the tests focus on the law and not the speech itself).

    The law surrounding the 1st amendment is huge and complicated and I’m doing it no justice in my comments here (plus, I’ve just recently learned the details in my Conlaw course) so if anyone wants to expand/add/correct me, please do.

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    Wow! Way to not be elitist there buddy.

    BTW, books were around first.

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    JustChris says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    I don’t remember the constitution treating different forms of speech on different levels. As far as I’m concerned that’s just an opinion.


    That’s interesting, but does the Supreme Court therefore interpret different levels of protection for different values of speech? As far as I know whatever the KKK prints in its rally propaganda has the same 1st amendment protection as a scholarly journal from a university.

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    BlackIce, Dragunov Marksman ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    I find your arguement old-fashioned, uneducated and utterly fucking stupid.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:

    To put a finer gloss on the point which Robert makes:

    The whole premise underlying the free speech and press proctections of the First Amendment is that both free speech and a free press are vital to the proper functioning of a democractic society. The Founding Fathers believed this and included those protections due largely to their own experiences with political-thought censorship at the hands of the British monarchy. What the courts have held is not so much that provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn, defamation, etc., are of lesser value than other forms of spech but that they don’t in any way further the proper functioning of a democractic society and, therefore, couldn’t have been the among the sorts of speech that the Fathers intended to protect. In that sense, the exceptions are not so much of lesser value than protected speech as much as they are valueless to a democracy.

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    Robert says:


    The whole “erotica hurting minors” thing has less to do with “harm” and more to do with, to quote Chief Wiggum, our American squeamishness. Remember that not all laws and court rulings are necessarily logical. Some laws are based on policy. Some are based on intent of the Framers (which is why stuff like obscenity is given a lower value).

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    Neeneko ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “precedent requires incontrovertible proof of a causal relationship between exposure to the games and some psychological harm.”

    Ah ha…..

    While I am in favor of this ruling, I’m still waiting for ‘incontrovertible proof’ that erotica hurts minors or that obscenity hurts adults. The closest I ever seem to hear is “I caught my partner looking at PORN so I left them! It’s porn’s fault!’

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    GRIZZAM 512 says:

    When the government can just start deciding what speech is valuable and what isn’t is the day the first amendment becomes completely redudant.

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    Robert says:

    To Tom:

    Interestingly enough, the Supreme Court has assigned “value” to free speech. Specifically, the Court has assigned categories of “lower valued” speech. What I don’t get is why Mr. Hatch assigns video games as lower value when they don’t really fit into the traditional categories that the Supreme Court has used in determining lower value speech (provocation, obscenity, threats, incitements to riot, child porn and defamation).

    I guess what I’m saying is that Mr. Hatch needs to retake his basic Conlaw courses. Then again, who am I? I’m not some kind of megapowerful former-attorney general.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:


    Hey! Go easy on them lawyers. You never really need a politician but some lawyers have been know to save the innocent from a lengthy prison sentence.

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    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    That is basically EVERYTHING that comes out of the mouths of politicians and lawyers.

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    Tom ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    Well who the hell are you, Mike Hatch, to say that? Who the hell are you to judge and assign value to our free speech?

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    Aliasalpha says:

    In a way you’re almost coaxed into harvesting them because you’re told several times that you get a lot more adam from doing it, just a matter of opinion whether lots of adam is better than some adam & a warm fuzzy feeling that may or may not be a symptom of paedophilia

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    Xantar says:


    I think you’re right that I got my syllogism mixed up. I was a little too loose in using the word “therefore.” Judge Rosenbaum said that video games are protected speech under the 1st Amendment. In other words, it’s not that they are a form of speech and because of that they are protected. Rather, he meant that video games are a form of speech and thus are also protected under the 1st Amendment. The one simply goes with the other.

    Judge Rosenbaum did not go into an explanation of why video games are protected speech, and so I don’t know if he was using the Miller test or any other test. He simply cited a precedent, Interactive Digital Software Association v. St. Louis County, wherein the 8th Circuit determined that video games are protected speech and left it at that. Now that I look at it, it’s interesting that this very same 8th Circuit was apparently reluctant to rule that video games are subject to 1st Amendment protection (if we believe the newspaper’s account).

    From what I read in Judge Rosenbaum’s ruling, any law dealing with restrictions on free speech must pass strict scrutiny. I think I can clarify a little something about why he went through that whole analysis, though. He didn’t simply stop at saying that video games are protected speech because Minnesota asserted that their law does in fact pass strict scrutiny. Therefore, Judge Rosenbaum had to go through all of their evidence and determine that to be untrue.

    Thanks for helping me clarify.

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    kurisu7885 says:

    “Worthless, disgusting speech… speech of very low societal value.”

    Wow, I wasn’t aware you were magically the authority on weather or not everyone else thought that.

    “Legislators don’t worry too much about what’s constitutional.”

    Obviously not, or this monkey see monkey do charade would have ended long ago.

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    masterofpsi says:

    Ye Gods. If stupidity was a crime…

    I find games to be the best stories told these days.

    Oblivion? Pretty good.

    Crysis? Not too shabby.

    Bioshock? I came close to shedding a tear.

    Half Life 2? Freaking epic.

    Movies these days are the garbage dumps of free speech these days. Heck, even Team Fortress 2 has more character than ‘Romantic Comedy #2,405,604’.

    If only there was some way to make a good book with the same story as any of the above games, let it integrate itself into American culture, then come back ten years later and say “Surprise!”, then see the look on their faces…

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Why don’t they just give up. Personally, a “games as movies” model appeals to me. The same laws and policies that cover movies from G to X should govern video games from E to AO. While “games as porn” isn’t very popular, they need to understand that some games ARE porn. No, I’m not talking about God of War, I’m talking about Japanese imports, I’m talking about the crappy, $100 budget games that have been trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Those games should be restricted, but obviously are already, under current laws that restrict certain things from children under contributing to the deliquency of a minor and other various local and state laws. Games like God of War shouldn’t be sold to children, but only the same way that R Rated movies shouldn’t be sold to children. You don’t have a sepperate section of BlockBuster behind a curtain where the need to card you before you can get in and look at the R rated movies. And those R rated movies often have much more nudity (if not violence) then a M rated game.

    In short, if you think Halo should be treated as porn, then you ain’t seen nothing. You need some learning…

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