Rape in Video Games? Top Aide to Boston Mayor Says Yes at Legislative Hearing

Last Month, British Parliamentarian – and frequent video game industry critic – Keith Vaz sparked a bit of controversy by claiming that interactive rape is depicted in video games.

A top aide to Boston Mayor Thomas Menino (left) apparently offered similar commentary at yesterday’s hearing by the Massachusetts Legislature’s Joint Committee on the Judiciary concerning HB1423, a proposal designed to restrict the sale of violent video games to minors.

As reported by the Boston Herald, Larry Mayes, Mayor Menino’s director of Health and Human Services, claimed that gamers score points for, among other acts, raping women:

Larry Mayes, Menino’s director of Health and Human Services, urged lawmakers to view for themselves some “Mature”-rated games, many of which award players points for shooting people, raping women or setting people on fire. Mayes pointed to several researchers who have found a correlation between such games and aggression.

“I’m sure you will conclude Mayor Menino is in fact right to do all he can to protect children, even if it means pushing back on a multi-billion-dollar industry.”

Testifying for the video game industry were ESA VP Gail Markels and Sean Bersell, VP of the Entertainment Merchants Association (EMA), the trade organization which represents video game retailers. As reported by the Herald:

Markels… said the industry has a board that rates games’ appropriateness for youngsters, and it is up to retailers whether to sell or rent to minors, based on a game’s rating.

“While the state may regulate minors’ access to materials defined as harmful under state law,” [Markels] said, “such restrictions are limited to depictions of sexually explicit conduct that is obscene to minors.”

GP: As we asked Keith Vaz when he made similar remarks, can Larry Mayes name even a single game which features rape as a playable option?

UPDATE: PopMatters offers an analysis of the Massachusetts bill.

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    Frosty says:

    This is the email I sent him:


    If you could kindly produce one single example of a commercially released video game in the United States that gives the player the ability to rape people, I think you might lend a little more credence to your claim that players are awarded points for raping women in video games (which, just to nitpick, not many games actually feature a “points” system anymore…do your homework, please).

    In the early 1980s, a company called Mystique actually did produce a number of pornographic video games for the Atari 2600, including one called “Custer’s Revenge”, which did indeed feature rape as not only a feature of the game, but the game’s entire objective. However, Mystique was an independent company, and Atari themselves actually tried to sue Mystique to discontinue the production of pornographic games for their system. They unfortunately lost, and Mystique’s library is forever a blight on gaming. In 1983, the video game market suffered a major crash that caused many developers to go under, Mystique included. That was some 25 years ago. Two and a half decades. A quarter century.

    The point I’m trying to make here is the only game in this gamer’s memory that depicted rape was made by a rogue company that closed its doors over 25 years ago. Since then, here in the United States, no commercially released games have featured rape as an option for players. Very few games depict sex at all, and when they do, it’s consensual.

    However, I’d like to bring to your attention a bit of unfair rule enforcement that the gaming industry has been subject to. In the motion pictures industry, an onscreen rape (such as the one depicted in the movie Eastern Promises, directed by David Cronenberg) does little more than garner the movie an “R” rating, which still allows a commercial release.

    The video games industry, on the other hand, is under such strict regulation by the ESRB, that any game depicting any onscreen sexual activity (consensual or otherwise) as opposed to implying it is automatically slapped with an “AO” rating, which is widely regarded as the “kiss of death” for video games, as games with such a rating will not be stocked by most chain retaliers. The alternative to submitting a game for an ESRB rating, which is to not submit it, also prevents a game from being stocked by major outlets nationwide.

    What I’m getting at here is that graphic sex scenes in movies are percieved as OK, while even implied sex in video games is being blown completely out of proportion. I’d urge you to spend less time demonizing video games and better spend your efforts trying to eliminate this double standard we’re faced with in the media industry.

    A Concerned Gamer

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    Haha. There are so many things wrong with this article. Not factually mind you, the other way.

    Since when do game “points” still exist? What? Money? For buying in game goods?

    My whole problem with the game violence debate is that none of the activities in a game are real. What’s the real-world analogue for the violence? A friggin analogue stick and some buttons.

    I don’t learn to rape and kill from video games. I learn how to manipulate a character in a complex, computer-controlled environment, using an equally complex series of inputs on a device that bewilders most every Baby Boomer I’ve ever met.

    The Wii actually hurt us. It taught old people that video games are just like real life. Of course, the “violent” games on Wii suck balls because we’re a bunch of uncoordinated fools and no company can truly anticipate our lack of basic motor skills for every body part past the wrist.

    My generation must have a totally different perspective on reality, because these lawmakers seem to lack even a fundamental ability to understand what is real and what isn’t. I blame it on their comic books and radio shows. Oh, and the massive amounts of psychedelic drugs they all took.

    Not one of them can discern fantasy from reality at this point.

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    […] Keenan plus touches on U.S. Defense branch recruiting game, America’s Army. But it is his remarks about Custer’s Revenge that caught GP’s eye, particularly in a duration when video games have been wrongly accused of including interactive rape by prominent political figures in the United States (see: Rape in Video Games? Top Aide to Boston Mayor Says Yes at Legislative Hearing) and Great Britain (see: Video Games Linked to Rape in Parliament Debate). Here’s what Keenan wrote: You won’t see strippers suddenly seem [in America’s Army], or be encouraged to rape a virtual character, as happens in the hideous Custer’s Revenge game… […]

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    Pinkuh says:

    So uh… has anyone compleatly forgotten Japanese Dating Sims?

    There are several games in that Genre that depict rape and such… so yeah…

    As much as he seems “Full of sh*t” there is a ring of truth to what he says. Just because it isn’t “Main stream” doesn’t mean that is ceases to exist.

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    Nitherean ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Having lived in the Boston area, I can tell you, how full of sh*t, Larry Mayes is:

    “I’m sure you will conclude Mayor Menino is in fact right to do all he can to protect children, even if it means pushing back on a multi-billion-dollar industry”

    Now, take out ‘children’ and insert ‘citizens’. Then assume we are talking about the constuction business.

    As its well understood by people in the Boston area, just how screwed up the BIG DIG is/was. Well over budget, over time, and it LEAKS of water. If Mr. Mayes was as serious of the Big Dig and the consturction companies as he is of the gaming industry….he’d be laughed out of his day job! The Major of Boston, is, a good guy. He has PLENTY of other problems to deal with, then dealing with the gaming industry.

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    Bob says:

    ‘to the US detractors, go kill yourselves, you don’t live here and only know of what you have heard or otherwise been told by someone as illinformed as yourselves
    to detract : To draw or take away; divert: 2. Archaic To speak ill of; belittle

    Have to say to NotThinkingatallOF, how does this help at all. I’m a Brit who has an opinion on the matter. I ask questions and critcise the people, polititians and gamers who make our cause worse both in Britain, and US.
    Do I have no freedom of speech because i’m not american ?
    If I criticise an aspect of your country do I not deserve to live.
    Idiocy and hypocrisy are a heady mix.
    Its far to early and I’ve only had 1 cup of coffee, so reading that post wasn’t a pleasure. now i’m grumpy :(

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    Aliasalpha says:

    Since this was a legislative hearing, does that mean that it follows similar rules to a court? This seems blatantly untrue or at best impossible to prove, does that make it illegal or at least should it be discounted as heresay?

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    Aliasalpha says:


    If she wasn’t tied against her will, does that mean she was a bondage fanatic? If so, the alleged rape may have been a BDSM fantasy being played out between consenting adults.

    Hehe they should remake custers revenge for the Xbox 360 Arcade

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    Oz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In defense of Custers Revenge

    Nowhere does it say that the indian woman was being tied against her will. Nowhere does it specifically say she was being raped.


    But… it still sucked.

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    Aliasalpha says:

    This is the exact shit that makes me want to quit studying IT & go into journalism so I can be there when a politician spews this crap & ask “what game?”. Then when they’re evasive because they clearly have made this shit up, I’d lay into them for not having any research & demanding that they show proof or shut the fuck up.

    It’d be a very SHORT journalistic career but a memorable one

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    dustin1986 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He shut down the city over light brights. If these people were caught out in a rainstorm they’d stare up at the sky until they drowned to death.

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    Father Time ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    By we I mean the ESA or the ECA, and still I don’t think libel and slander laws need proof that they caused damage (could be wrong). Although in any case WHY don’t they call him out on this bullshit?

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    Father Time ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    All of the Timesplitters games let you set people on fire. Each game had a flamethrower weapon that would set people on fire who would then slowly die whilst also setting aflame anyone they touch (and yes you do get awarded kill points for doing that).

    Rape on the other hand is only found in 20 year old custard’s revenge and probably some other even more obscure titles (and probably obscure stuff from Japan which isn’t sold in the U.S. and thus would not be affected by this bill).

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    mirumu ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As many have said there are Japanese games with such things although in practise they’re all heavily stylised games with anime-like art that don’t resemble reality especially. They are also sold as Cero Z (Japanese R18 equivalent) titles. On top of the games already mentioned a reasonably recent popular release, Love/Death 2 is another game with this kind of content.

    These games aren’t my cup of tea, but either way I don’t see it as a big deal since it’s just made up pixels and polygons, there’s a huge gap between these games and reality. Anyone who can’t manage to retain that distinction is clearly mentally deranged and is a problem to society whether they play games or not.

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Personal I would say the only “interactive rape” going on around here is what idiots like JBT are trying to do to us and out hobby.

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    ThinkingOF says:

    there is only one thing to do, vote. vote your hearts out, if you are 18 and older, vote. show them the door by voting them out on the collective arses.

    to the US detractors, go kill yourselves, you don’t live here and only know of what you have heard or otherwise been told by someone as illinformed as yourselves. these so called social taboos are polidriven nonsense. just because some people feel that way doesn’t by anymeans means everyone does. “world leader A hates dogs” does not in any way lead me to believe he’s the leader of a nation of dog hating troglidites (sp?). so back off the hate and learn to embrace. the US, for the most part, has. and so what if US social values are different than your nations, thats life. i could just as easily say, “country X’s views on violence are poppycock, they don’t know whats just and wholesome.” and i’d be wrong for doing so. as wrong as claiming videogames as murder/rape simulators.

    the worlds awry with foolish people that forget adults play video games too. my good friend Sven in gremany has told me of the horror of adult gamers there. sex and violence are tabooed in video games. which means nintendo rules over there with it’s all to cutesie kid friendly games. i don’t want to live in that world that tells me i can’t have gore in my games. i’m an adult, a voting adult that says nay to taking my rights to play sex filled violent games away. point the fingers where they belong, the parents. the final line of defence, the best damn line of defence. if they don’t wanna do their jobs, neither do i. not my child, not my concern, the justice system will deal with their children when the proper time comes. (trust me, it will) millions, nay, billions of dollars spent on a ratings system and educational materials, wasted. all because little johnnys parents are to obsessed with their own lives to give a carp what their child plays, until they see it for themselves. what of the children that don’t want games like GTA? i’m sure they are out there. i’ve been in my local game store during the adult buying the M rated game for the underaged kid senerio. clerk tells them it may not be suited for the kid, they get angry and buy it anyways. whose at fault?

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    Guiguibob80 says:

    “award players points for shooting people, raping women or setting people on fire. “

    In GTA1 one you were awarded money for hitting people but you needed a lot of imagination to think it was looking anything approaching reality…

    Rape games… ah yes that old game Custer Revenge…

    now setting people on fire… can’t remember any but perhaps another old game… think I’m seeing a trend…

    let’s ban retro gaming.

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:

    Pop Matters’ analysis is, I think, incorrect in its prediction that HR1423 will not pass the Legislature. I think it will. And that’s the problem. Not enough of those legislators have either the sense or the courage to say, “This Bill will not survive judicial scrutiny and is a waste of our time and money.” No. They’ll pass it and then wait for some federal judge (who isn’t elected and don’t give a rat’s-ass about a vote) to strike it down. At a cost of $200,000 in legal fees to the taxpayers of Massachusetts.

    That’s why I will forever hold in uptmost regard my girl, Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-Oakland), the only Congressperson in either chamber to vote against the War in Iraq. Too bad so many other politicians don’t have that sort of political courage (and, foresight, as it turned out).

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    (wow) – is it me? Or do some interesting people read Gamepolitics comments. Sheesh. I never would’ve thought the lobby groups would slum down to the forums with us regular schmucks. (Well, I knew the ECA’s here, but that’s different).

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    Sean Bersell says:

    @ Starsmore

    The comment by Mr. Mayes was not made while we were in the room.

    The Joint Committee on the Judiciary heard testimony on 72 bills yesterday, including the Menino bill. H. 1423 was taken up about 90 minutes into the session (after the Governor and a number of members spoke on other measures). Speaking against the bill were ESA, ESRB, EMA, a video store owner from Arlington, MA, and IGDA.

    Mr. Mayes did not speak when H. 1423 was taken up. In fact the only individual who spoke in favor of the bill while we were there was the legislative sponsor, Rep. Linda Dorcena Forry, who stated that the bill would help reduce violent crime across the state.

    When we were done, the committee moved on to another bill.

    Sean Bersell

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    GRIZZAM 512 says:

    Hey look! I can make shit up too! Stupid people talking shit leads to increased violence, decreased pro-social behavior, and hating the government because they waste time and money!

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    F**ked Up says:

    I just wish someone would call these politician out on their factual errors. I want the big media companies to start doing this than doing their sensationalist news crap. They have turned the news into He said, she said, on [insert topic] than actually going back and checking the facts that go along with story.

    you are more likely to hear “[insert Name] said this [insert statement]” and this “[insert Name] said this [insert statement] and [insert “factual” evidence AKA Mass Effect Sex Scene] ” than [insert name] said this [insert statement] and when asked if he has actually viewed or done [insert topic] blah blah. After reviewing [insert statement] I went to check out their sources and blah blah blah.

    I dont see the mainstream news actually doing this any more. If anything Mainstream news has turned into a gossip show. “oh did you hear blah blah house burnt down probably due to drugs”, “oh did you hear what [politician] said about [politician].

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    GRIZZAM 512 says:

    Jesus Christ this is fucking ridiculous. Correlations don’t mean shit and I can only think of two games whith rape, which have already been mentioned. Fucking liars.

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    TONy says:

    WOW this is crazy.. im kinda new to gamepolitics, im amazed at how everyday video games get bashed by these old time politics.. what game gives you points for rape???? do these ppl ever look into things before talking out the ass?? why is it that they can miss represent games so badly( like fox) and not get sued?? im sure if that lame guy jack was miss represented he would sue!! and what the hell is wrong with the esrb?? its easy to understand, its in the front and back of the cover, so how is it broken?? its up to the store to inforce it.. just like its up to the theaters to inforce their ratings, and porn spots to not let minors in.. i know eb, walmart, and gamestop inforce it, im 24 and i get id’d from time to time.. so what the hell am i missing??

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    deuxhero ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So in 100 comments the only games that actually have rapes in them are Custers Revenge (Anchient and not rated by the ESRB) Fallout 2 (pure text) and H games (not even in english), none of which are obtainable at a physical store (hell, Custers Revenge is propobly worth a lot now days) and Fallout would fall under “Serious Literary, Artisitc, Political, or Scientific value” >_>

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    Marlowe says:

    Oh, and sorry for the double post but I would suggest anyone registered to vote in Boston e-mail this guy immediately and demand he either a) name a single industry-made video game, rated by the ESRB, that awards a player for committing an act of rape, or b) publically correct his false statements and issue an apology.

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    vagrant says:

    “I’m sure you will conclude Mayor Menino is in fact right to do all he can to protect children, even if it means pushing back on a multi-billion-dollar industry.”

    Since “protecting the children” has also entailed lying, half truths, wasting tax payer money, mis understanding the word “correlation,” and throwing such tried and true practices such as doing any amount of research prior to opening your stupid fucking mouth to spew vitriol, well, I guess pushing a multi-billion-dollar industry around isn’t so bad.

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    Marlowe says:

    @ DavCube

    Thanks for pointing out the whole points issue with GTA. One thing that really ticks me off is when video game critics come off sounding like retards who are completely out of the loop. If you don’t play video games take note of the following: they’re called “video games” not “videoes;” most games today outside of the sports genre or games that are intentionally trying to be somewhat retro do not award you “points” for anything, on that note, you also usually dont “lose a life” or have a set number of “lives” anymore these were both features from the days of the arcade that have since been largely discontinued; finally, THERE ARE NO CONTEMPORARY INDUSTRY-MADE GAMES THAT FEATURE EXPLICIT SCENES OF RAPE IN ANY WAY LET ALONE AWARD YOU FOR IT!

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not an education institution elitist. In fact, I gots very little love for the vast majority of Havard, Yale, Princeton, etc., types I’ve encountered. But, looking at Mumbles’ resume (Chamberlayne Junior College (AA, Business Management, 1963) and the University of Massachusetts Boston (BA, Community Planning, 1988)), I’m forced to conclude that he may not benefited from any close proximity to the supposed brilliance of Harvard and MIT.

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ DarkTetsuya

    It would be very hard for him to prove libel considering this is all a matter of public record including the direct quote I used against him and can be corroborated from a variety of independent sources. So the onus is on him to prove it isn’t.

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    Robert Gauss ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I only know of a single game in the USA that had a “rape” scene. That would be way back to 1980 or so, a non-licensed Atari 2600 game called “Custer’s Revenge.” Except you had to have it explained to you that those blocks were supposed to be people. Also, the game was pre-ESA and pre-ESRB. Even without those organizations, the game was only sold in seedy porn shops. That’s right, 18+ controls were in place. There may be non-ESRB rated games that have a game involving rape, but there are no CURRENT ESRB rated games with rape gameplay.

    That was nearly 30 years ago. They’re not even capable of staying in this century with current events.

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    PeterWDawson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Crap, I forgot. Custer’s Revenge had rape. I think it’s the only game in the history of consoles to have it on screen and reward points for it too.

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    Galen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Bottom line is this: Because they don’t understand games and don’t understand our Generation, they want to take away everything that we called fun.

    Just because the generation before them attempted the same thing and failed doesn’t mean that they’re going to succeed here.

    I think that these politicians are afraid of the fact that their time is almost over and that with our generation, we’re a lot smarter than they are. But it would be nice to see a lot more gamers as congressmen.

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    Ebonheart ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Luke

    Yes he infact is. And Boston is know for lawyers and medical students than for computer sciences. I made fun of my home town for that Lite-Bright Moon-nite incident.

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    Jonathan, aka Soul ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What I would say as a rebuttal to Larry Mayes, Mayor Menino’s director of Health and Human Services.
    *B**** slap*
    That’s my rebuttal to his ignorance.

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Man, it’s been some time seen I’ve seen points in a game.

    At least in the British Parlament when an idiot started spouting this drivel an opposing member called him on it. There are no American mainstream games rated by the ESRB where the player rapes another person. He wants his bill to pass so much that he is willing to lie about what it is protecting against. Then, after it psses, we would say “There aren’t any games like that!” to which he will reply:
    “See how well my bill works!”

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    Luke says:

    Now…correct me if I’m wrong, but is this the same mayor that seemed to think that the Aqua Teen Hunger Force Mooninites were terrorist bombs? You’d think with Harvard and MIT so close, Bostonians wouldn’t be so stupid.

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    Void Munashii ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I think, if he were to answer (I think he would dodge) it is more likely he will reference some long ago debunked blog/news article, some online flash game, or he’ll come up with a title that does not exist.

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    Mrbig says:

    im still looking for a game that awards you points for killing people rapping hookers and stealing cars….. but I just can’t seem to find it anywhere..

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    lorenzo says:

    Isn’t raping someone in an FPS an [albeit really nasty to the point I file complaints] common expression in the Timmy Community?

    thats figurative, right?

    Wires crossed? possibly.
    Too Old to understand? definitely.

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    axia777 says:

    And which game is this? Not that I would want to play it but really now. I go to many sites devoted to the development of video games. Developers pay attention to what other developers are doing in games. And there has NEVER been any news of any video game, official or otherwise, that has rape in it.

    This guys is a total asshole….

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    Ebonheart ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Vinzent

    I don’t think he is for rape, maybe he’s for “Catching person unaware for surprise sex.” He is a politician after all, he’s a politicain he’ll find some way to spin it.

    And since when is the Feds in the business for telling parents how to raise kids?

    According to most Senators EVERY gamer has or will commit multiple counts of homicides/rapes/GTA/Larciny/Blackmail/Possestion of Illegal weaponary.

    Hmm come to think of it maybe we should be like those pro-life groups who “accidently” destroy a family clinic, but instead of explosives, we run around towns putting 360/Wii/PS3 on avid anti-video game people’s doors steps and offices. Gorrila tatic it only minus the mayhem and destrution of property. Except not in Boston they did go ape s**t over the lite-bright of ATHF.

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    nightstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I bet you he would mention “Custer’s Revenge” it’s like whenever we here this argument the media ends up showing the same footage from the original Doom and talking as if its a recent game.

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    DarkTetsuya ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Yeah see now you’re getting it….

    @Mr Keyes:

    *Cue angry email to the ‘censor in chief’ of that particular website in 3… 2… 1…* 😛 (Apologies to Dennis, but I thought it was appropriate in this instance. ;))

    @Black Manta

    Finally what Jack Thompson won’t tell you is that his law license is in order. He was recently tried for a variety of ethical misconduct charges going back as far as 20 years. The decsion is expected next month and could likely result in his disbarment. Thompson has responded by sending the court a “picture book for adults” and threatening to “figuratively” bomb out the Florida Supreme Court building.

    Now why would he tell you a silly thing like that? Especially when it would paint a negative picture of him… besides it’s all just lies and slander/libel cooked up by the Videogame industry because they’re all out to get him!

    @Void Munashii:

    I think he must be playing some hentai PC games or online flash games, or something. He’s certainly not playing any games that I can wander over to Gamestop and buy.

    … as if he’d be able to tell the difference?

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Buckeye531

    Or a JT press release LOL

    WHY in the year 2008 does ANYONE believe what spews from the mouths of politicians?!?!?! WHY!?!?

    Game proposal: Get permission from Steven Colbert to create the game “Truthiness” where the whole point is to find out if a politician is lying or telling the truth. Rated S for Sheeple.

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    StopUploaders says:

    @Christian Astrup
    1.I believe politicians are so used to raping and killing prostitutes they raped that they see flash backs everywhere… or they often visit Japan and play mainstream rape hentai games there… Then they see how low the crime rate in Japan is and realize that games must be banned or our youth will no longer support the government commiting violent and criminal acts…

    Seriously Japan has like the lowest crime rate in the world and has the most violent and sexually explicit media… and hentai games are almost mainstream(almost)…Shouldn’t that tell us that the problem isn’t games?

    2. The stupid parents that buy M rated games and R rated movies for their kids…
    “here 5 year old billy watch some hostel movies and then play some manhunt…”

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    nightstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Makes we wonder if this guy wasn’t watching the “Atari Porn” episode of the Angry Video Game Nerd.

    I would guess his statements are covered under the “Speech and debate clause” (did he make these statements on the statehouse floor?). But in any case it’s getting so frustrating that no one calls these guys to task at the moment.

    My guess is this won’t change until someone from the gamer generation gets elected to high office. Until we have real representation nothing will change.

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    Void Munashii ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Christian Astrup

    1) Concensus seems to be that it is called Battle Raper, or it is a figment of a diseased mind 😉

    2) Stupid ones who cannot be bothered to read the age ratings that already exist on games, and beleive the child telling them there is no objectionable content over the sales clerk reading them the rating descriptors and telling them, from personal experience, what the game contains.


    Happy birthday! Have some virtual orgasmic rape for me

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    Thefremen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Christian Astrup

    1) It’s probably like “The Game” except played by the aristocracy of the US. It would explain a lot, they probably just assume that Video Games have analogues to the games they play since their world-view is skewed by their own life experiences. They assume that since they keep track of how many women they rape and keep score the younger generation does as well.

    2) The kind of parents who get thier kids into the Skull & Bones. Sick sick people.

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    Vinzent says:

    Mark Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography, and was found to be soliciting sex form young pages in the senate.

    Spitzer vowed to end prostitution in New York, and got caught dipping.

    So Menino is against rape, eh…..

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    Vinzent says:


    “Japan has TONS of sex simulators, some are rape simulators. Just Google or search ebay for Rapelay, battleraper or battle raper and Biko”

    True. Now how exactly will this bill affect Japan? How many of those rape sims are being played by children in the US? The only people who get them are middle-aged Otakus who jump through hoops and drop big bucks to import these games and please their fetish.

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    jccalhoun ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’ve little doubt that he thinks GTA has rape in it. I’ve got a video clip somewhere of Lieberman saying the same thing. I wrote a post on my blog a couple years ago saying that there is no rape in GTA and it still gets occasional hits from people searching for “gta rape” or “videogame rape” http://popularculturegaming.com/?p=167

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    Thefremen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Of course in rational human thought that’s how things work but you forget that this is a witch-hunt. Video games have to prove they don’t contain rape by sinking or if they float they do contain rape and will be burned.

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    lumi ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Thefremen:

    “There’s no way for them to prove that there aren’t while they’re in there, I would assume.”

    Burden of proof is on the accuser. He has to provide the examples that the ESA/EMA would refute; they are not obligated to defend EVERY GAME EVAR from his blanket accusation.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    There have been commercial pornographic games as well, and they got AO ratings and are, as far as I’m aware, already covered by the same Pornography laws that covers Film etc, using the Miller Test. However, once again, none of them contained Rape, and I suspect that if someone DID submit an interactive Rape game to the ESRB you would see the first case of a rating being refused.

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    ekim1086 says:

    Been said before, but I’ll say it again, PROOF WERE IS THE PROOF?!?!

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    Colonel Finn says:

    The legitimacy of it doesn’t matter, the fact is, one person made comment about Rape in videogames, so simply is the case that other uninformed people will spread it as fact if they need ammunition. No-one is calling the politicians up on it so they feel happy to continue safe that the water-brains will simply believe them and the ones who know better don’t carry enough credibility to get the message to the mainstream.

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    Rodrigo Ybáñez García ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    But there is some porn games made in United States, like Sexvilla 3D, but is not in the mainstream industry, and is not about rape and it is only about porn.

    Somewhere I read about in Japan is illegal to sold their games in foreing countries. I think Illusion (Schoolmate, Rapelay, Artificial Girl) said in their official page they can´t sold their games on United States, even when there are many people interesed in their games in America.

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    KTP ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It’s funny how people will hear a news clipping about the adult aspects of the GTA series and somehow they assume rape is a part of the game. It’s like they’re kids who’ve just heard about their new teacher during summer break. They’ll hear snippets of information from other students saying “Mrs. Smith? My brother says she’s so mean she’ll staples your hands to your desk if you talk out of line” and “Mrs. Smith once beat a kid so hard with a ruler they had to send him to a hospital. I mean, I wasn’t there but I heard from some guy who said it happened to his brother”. Of course, on the first day of class they’re sitting in the back, avoiding all eye contact and scared to hell of a fictional persona.

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    Stormwarden ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Truth is, the only games that would simulate rape would be in Japan, and they wouldn’t be playable in the states barring some illegal hardware or a Japanese game system (the sort of games in question are illegal to ship outside of Japan).

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    Starsmore says:

    We had both an ESA and a EMA rep on the floor there. From how the story reads, they were there when the “rape games” comment was made.

    Why in the @#$% aren’t they calling these blatant lies out for what they are?

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Now that I think about it, maybe they’re talking about the Witcher. I heard some people accuse that game of some real borderline misoginy(sp?); I don’t think the R word was ever really used though.

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    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ GoodRobotUs

    You’re on to something there.

    Everytime I read about this guy and his bill, I try to remember that the same man is afraid of Lite Brite. Talk about being nuts.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Just figured it out, they’ve finally worked out that the ‘violence’ angle isn’t working, so now they are trying the ‘sex’ angle, which everyone knows the American Public are a lot more sensitive about

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Probably a better question would be..

    ‘How many games involving rape have been allowed onto the market by either the ESRB or BBFC?’

    Since the pixellated crap that was Custers Revenge was released before the BBFC started rating games, the correct answer is none, they can only be imported, and at least in the UK, that is, strictly speaking, illegal.

    You can’t even really mention Japanese games unless America is basing it’s laws on what is available in an entirely different country.

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    Bianca ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ JB

    Actually, there is one way for it to be non-consensual…

    😉 OF course, to avoid it, you just don’t buy your adult male sim that really expensive telescope he wants until either you have 8 sims on your lot or he’s an old geezer!

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    Japan-has-rape-games says:

    Japan has TONS of sex simulators, some are rape simulators. Just Google or search ebay for Rapelay, battleraper or battle raper and Biko

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    MaskedPixelante ( User Karma: -1 ) says:

    This is madness, we must stop Boston from spreading these lies… but how…

    I KNOW! *gets up on a grand pedestal* RELEASE THE LITE BRITES!

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Larry Mayes, Menino’s director of Health and Human Services, urged lawmakers to view for themselves some “Mature”-rated games, many of which award players points for shooting people, raping women or setting people on fire.”

    1. There isn’t any game on the US market where you rape anybody.

    2. For the last goddamn time. GTA. DOES. NOT. AWARD. ANY. POINTS. PERIOD. I am SICK AND TIRED of hearing that stupid assumption.

    “Mayes pointed to several researchers who have found a correlation between such games and aggression.”

    Which was still proven false.

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    SaltyWound ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Yes. There are. I’m going come out here and say that I’m a Hentai fan and thus feel I have to try and defend it. Admittedly, this is a pretty hard genre to defend, you can’t really blink without finding a rape scene or female characters soley used as a walking sex object, but in my opinion I really think that it’s better for someone to play one of those, than uhh…actually sexually assualt someone. So yeah, I’m all for fictional, virtual, hentai rape. ….uhhh I’m going to go puke now…excuse me…


    I second that vote.

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    kurisu7885 says:

    Where the hell are all these games coming from?

    Can’t be Japan, the people talking about these games aren’t likely to import any just to make their point seem more valid

    What, somehow are features the developers didn’t even know about surfacing?

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    Cecil475 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    GP: As we asked Keith Vaz when he made similar remarks, can Larry Mayes name even a single game which features rape as a playable option?

    Nope, ’cause:
    A. He don’t know any.
    B. They don’t exist.

    – Warren Lewis

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    JackDon'tKnowJack says:

    If Mayor Mumbles is in fact right to do all he can to protect children, how come he ain’t done squat to protect the children of Roxbury and other Black and Brown Southside neighbourhoods from hunger, crime, inadequate housing, dysfunctional public schools, and an utter lack of future employment prospects?

    Maybe he should try his hand at remedying Boston’s real-world problems before tackling any virtual ones.

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    Doctor Proctor ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Why isn’t the ESA suing these jokers for Slander/Libel? There’s no ESRB game that I’ve ever heard that included rape…and since the laws that are being proposed only cover ESRB games, that’s a patently false statement.

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    Kris O. says:

    “Mayes pointed to several researchers who have found a correlation between such games and aggression.”

    This statement raises my level of aggression. This is retarded.

    Here’s a small list of every-day activities that raises your level of aggression:

    Standing in line;
    Being put on hold;
    Sitting in traffic;
    Having to call customer service;
    Listening to children scream;
    Getting ticketed for a traffic violation;
    Having your roommate/family/friends/neighbors suck up your bandwidth, while you’re trying to get your game on/porndog;
    Debugging a program.

    So when can we draft a new bill, which makes it illegal for children to scream? Or how about arresting that old lady who’s counting pennies on the counter, while your arms are falling asleep from the 60 lbs. of groceries that you’re carrying? I’m all for fining officers who pull you over, too. And getting cut off by a 20-year-old, steroid-popping kid in dad’s car? Death sentence.

    And as for rape in video games? As long as they didn’t do some motion capture of an actual rape, who really cares? Rate it “M” or “AO”, and let the adults buy it if they so choose. I can buy a gun; I can buy hardcore BDSM and rape fantasy pr0n; but I can’t buy a video game that depicts anything more than I can already see on prime-time network programming? Blah.

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    Bob says:

    what annoys me is no-one bothers to ask the simple bloody question of ‘what game and when’?? They never bring idiots like these and JT to book over their lies and media-hyping

    Vaz & Menino “…many of which award players points for shooting people, raping women”

    ESA VP Gail Markels “… said the industry has a board that rates games’ appropriateness for youngsters, and it is up to retailers whether to sell or rent to minors, based on a game’s rating.”

    HOW IS THAT AN ANSWER by the gamers Advocate ?!?
    dont bring up that its bollocks, just say we have a rating system.

    My head hurts.

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    Void Munashii ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I do beleive there are some hentai games that do… there are hentai games that feature pretty much everything else. Not being in Japan I do not really have access to these. In any case, they would not be impacted by ANY laws made in the US or the UK not being generally sold in those places.

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    YdoUask says:

    Battle Raper, that being said, it’s JP in origin I believe. Which is by default more sexually explicit than American games. It would serve America (well, me at least) well if the stigma around specifically adult games were removed. There is currently no blatantly pornographic games being sold in stores, most must be bought online and even then they where made in Japan. Americans, it would seem according to the stereotype, like blood, gore, and porn. Conveniently there is a genre for that, but it is not being exploited. Games as a media form are still in their virginity in America. There have been some in the early days but that was entirely too crude, it would be like saying reading a health book was “your first time”. The game industry saw one of the traits of America (love of violence) and made games accordingly. Movies have a separate genre devoted only to pornography, there are more than enough stories involving the topic, so why are games so far behind? Part of the issue is Americans are hypersensitive to anything and everything moral. If it violates their morality it is either Satanic or causes something bad. As such they object to that which there morals deem unworthy. Mediums of all types endured this, now it is games time. So, the important question is, well games continue to shy away from the issue, to appear better overall, or will games finally create a new genre so that video games may achieve what all other mediums have enjoyed, that it will cover a base so broad that one cannot lump one genre with another.

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    KayleL ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Jack Thompson made a comment? I would like to see that. Was he saying stuff about virtual rape?

    The only games I could think of that has virtual rape is Japanese games

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Mr Keyes

    Good. I was going to post my own response to him, but it doesn;t look like that took. here’s what I was going to say, though:

    Please ignore Jack Thompson. He is nothing more than a demagogue and despite his assurances, the science and studies he cites are misrepresented and sketchy at best. This is a man who thrives on fear and ignorance and as the saying goes, knowledge is power.

    First of all, the LA bill failed not because the game industry “blackmailed” the government. It failed because Thompson demanded he be allowed to run the whole thing his way. When they refused, citing that he had to go through the proper channels and procdures that all governments must do, he took his ball and went home. When they asked for him to come back and offer his expertise when it looked like their case was tanking, he refused.

    And “Hurricane-ravaged Katrina” my ass. He couldn’t have cared less about it at the time. He was quoted at one point as saying, “I have just instructed all of my… experts in the Alabama wrongful death case, all of whom have testified before Congress about the need for your kind of law, to have NOTHING whatsoever to do with your litigation in Louisiana unless I approve it… Lives are at stake, while your [Attorney General] Mr. Foti does press conferences on Hurricane Katrina…” Later he subsequently tried to sue Foti when he wouldn’t do as he told him. What a guy.

    Secondly, Thompson’s assertion that both the VT and NIU students trained on video games is an out-and-out lie. It was briefly mentioned that Seung-Hui cho played Counterstrike in an article that appeared in the Washington Post, but was later retracted when it was proved to be untrue. The NIU investigation is still ongoing and we don’t know what if any games Steven Kasmierczak played (though Thompson has threatened to sue both the police department and NIU itself if they don’t do as he says and turn over their records.)

    Finally what Jack Thompson won’t tell you is that his law license is in order. He was recently tried for a variety of ethical misconduct charges going back as far as 20 years. The decsion is expected next month and could likely result in his disbarment. Thompson has responded by sending the court a “picture book for adults” and threatening to “figuratively” bomb out the Florida Supreme Court building.

    To the government of Boston: I ask you is this the kind of person you want working with you? He’s already backstabbed the LA government and will likely do the same to you when he doesn’t get what he wants and will leave you to pay the legal fees when this bill fails (as it likely will as the language is nearly identical to that of the LA bill he authored). Cut your losses and ditch him and leave him to his failed career.

    Go ahead and feel free to sue me, Jack. Everything I’ve said here is the truth and you know it. You can’t hide from that. And you know right now it’s come back to haunt you. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so desperate right now.

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    Mr Keyes ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Looks like Jack’s tirade is gone after enough people reported abuse.

    No doubt he’ll spin this into witchhunt/conspiracy by the Boston media against him.

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    Nekowolf ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I am absolutely infuriated! As I told a friend of mine: “It’s like a mockery of both gamers, and to rape victims.”

    And I have a few female friends who are both rape victims, and gamers. To say such things just to get a piece of slimy shit legislation passed, oh it gets my blood superheated!

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    Tammej says:

    We really need more rape in games. And lots of porn. Just so that in the end – we’ll have a more balanced view at normality. Look, it’s planet earth. Look, we are sadistic, cruel, and mean, but also have loads of fun. But god forbid we ever include all the faccettes in the stories of our games. God forbid.

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    SaltyWound ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “…many of which award players points for shooting people, raping women or setting people on fire.”

    Oh. My. God. I can’t argue about shooting people, but name me one f**king commercial game in recent memory (forget Custer’s Revenge, that’s so frigging stupid) that gives you points/some sort of reward, for raping someone?!

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Sean

    Go ahead and use “Report abuse” on it. It’s nothing more than JT spouting his familiar lies and drivel while promoting himself at the same time. The way he wrote it looked almost like spamming. I’d say that certainly counts as abuse.

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    myrpok says:

    If hyperbole was a crime, this guy would get capital punishment. I would find it really funny if various ECA members started either calling for the legistlation of “truth-in-politics” bills, or tax exemption for video games because they cure cancer.
    The first option being wishful thinking, but fitting. The second being just as unfounded as these guys’ bald-faced untruths. Someone should seriously start asking them not to tell lies. (and engrave it on the back of their hand a la Harry Potter)

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    OK – setting aside any ethical issues for a minute.

    What games are these guys playing???????????????
    Played allot of games in my day, I can’t think of allot that even include sex, much less rape. The GTA series, >MAYBE

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    Waffles ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “…can Larry Mayes name even a single game which features rape as a playable option?”

    These are VIDEO GAMES silly, you don’t need evidence to back up a claim! You’re supposed to take generalizations at face value.

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    Sean ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Mayes is probably refering to an old newspaper article my teacher once read my class about san andreas rewarding players for raping women and stuffing their bodies in dumpsters.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Bob, I agree, too early in the morning for anti-non-Americanism 😉

    I’m finding it hard to get my head around being told that I’m not allowed to post my criticism of a country that prides itself on its Constitution that sets out a given Right to criticise the government. Especially when that same government attempts to encourage other countries to adopt those simple principles of Freedom. Are there different kinds of Freedom that I’m not aware of? I feel like my brain is in some kind of infinite loop….

    More Coffee, I think….

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    Ryno ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m sure there are games out there that involve actively raping women. There’s probably a lot that involve stopping rapes and/or catching rapists. However, I doubt any are for sale in the US, so these laws wouldn’t apply. Further I doubt the majority of them are for sale period. Most are probably Flash games, so none of these laws target them in any way.

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    […] The rhetoric in Boston is ramping up, with Massachusetts Health and Human Services Director Larry Mayes’ claim that mature-rated games reward players by what the Boston Herald described as “points for… raping women”, among other things. As expected, however, no specific games with this option were mentioned. Why? Because they’re aren’t any ESRB-rated games that contain any such thing. But that doesn’t matter, because selling this type of legislation sadly doesn’t require facts; the people who would support this bill are the types that can’t be bothered to check the politicos’ statements for authenticity anyway. It’s fear-mongering of the lowest order, “low-hanging fruit”, as the Herald sagely decried on Tuesday. […]

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    Repudiator ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This “Rape in video games” bullshit is ticking me off. The only (few) games that have “rape” in it are those underground Japanese porn games, made for adults ONLY and is only available on the PC. Which are impossible for a child to even get near NEAR a copy of one.

    Hell, they’re all in Japanese for god’s sake.

    …As if some child will have the patience to go through Japanese instructions and menus.

    And don’t give me that “illegally download bullshit” either. Because if any kid is able/knows how to download stuff like that, I truly think you have much, much more to worry about.

    As a matter of fact, most people never even heard of these games. Let a lone some random child… Or this boob who claims there’s rape in games. Probably never seen these either.

    And I would like to point out my use of “Child” in my response. Because These games are for people 18 and older. Why the fuck should we care whether or not 18+ people are playing this nonsense? Hm?

    Finally, I would like to give a big “Fuck you” to the people who has this belief you get rewarded for killing people. I know darn well these people are looking at GTA and being OWNED by the police, swat, the FBI and the US Army is the worst “Reward” I’ve heard of.

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    Kincyr ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Larry Mayes, Menino’s director of Health and Human Services, urged lawmakers to view for themselves some “Mature”-rated games, many of which award players points for shooting people, raping women or setting people on fire.

    Mature games don’t use a point system, unless it’s like the point system for traffic violations

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    Christian Astrup ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    1) What is this game where you get points for rape that all these guys seem to be playing?
    2) “do all he can to protect children” – what the fuck kind of parents would let their kid play the game from question 1?

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    Thefremen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Japan has rape games

    Yeah. Japan has rape games. Many countries in EU have legalized pot and prostitution. Japan has legalized possession of child porn for God’s sake!

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    Colonel Finn says:

    The problem, as ever is that there is no-one willing to stand up and say that these people are talking nonsense. Largely because the politicians neither know nor care about the facts of video-games, they have only their agenda and a bunch of money to throw at getting votes.

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    PeterWDawson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I’m sure you will conclude Mayor Menino is in fact right to do all he can to protect children, even if it means pushing back on a multi-billion-dollar industry.”

    Apparently doing all he can is stomping on the very laws on which his country was founded. Where’s his moustache?

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