@Ebonheart

Certainly not something as gaudy as a vehicle covered in diamonds.

A vehicle like that basically scream "jack me" and honestly I hope that thing vanishes.

A harvard conference on hip-hop?

I must say that whilst I'm not a fan of hip-hop/rap by any stretch of the imagination (unless the fusion elements in Stuck Mojo's music counts), its good to see someone inside that genre speaking out about what appears to be a near unilateral attempt to perpetuate a negative & self destructive stereotype.

God, I sound like such a wanker when I say that...

Although this guy is obviously under the misguided impression that video games like this are for kids.. I really understand where he is coming from about hip hop.

One of my main dislikes about that entire genre is that most of what we hear is negative, violent, racist, homophobic, sexist and generally just promotes a really bad way of life... what makes me most angry is that many of these people openly admit to committing criminal acts and are given a stage to boast about them in public through their music.

It's just a game. If you don't like it, don't play it. But to claim that making a video game is on the same lines as selling crack is just plain stupid.

"You have done enough damage selling crack cocaine now you got a kill a black man video game… There ain’t a Jewish or a white man Chinese or an Indian blowing up the brain of their own fellow man… We have lost a whole generation through this lifestyle now you want to put it in the game for a little child to play… Bugga bun 50 Cent."

I'm assuming he's limiting the race issue to this specific game as various games allow various race characters to "kill" NPCs of their own race as well as individuals of other races.

So, from what I gather, it's bad for ANYONE to make a game that places a dark skinned NPC as a victim. After all, 50 Cent is of similar race as those in the game. So, the rapper can't be complaining that a white man is making another racist video game about killing people of dark skin.

Truth is, no one is going to like everything about everything. His complaints are valid for his own preceptions and interests, but not every individual on the planet thinks exactly the same way or likes everything for exactly the same reason.

50 Cent made something, or had something made, that was of interest or important to him and shared it with others, for a profit of couse but still he shared it, and those who had a similar interest bought it. So what if not everyone liked it or saw it in different ways.

Good for him.

I don't like rap. So there!

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

And thats why I listen to underground hip hop late at night on various college radio stations. Less controversy.

There's only ONE gangsta rap song that is any good. (Weird Al rap doesn't count in this case, even though he is awesome)

"Read A Book"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2VqFPNS8w

The only thing the "Thug Lifestyle" needs is the liberal application of some OMON style policing.

@ Aliasalpha

At least it's not a giant waste of money like Congress is blowing trying to catch people lying about steroids. Let harvard waste money how they choose.


And remember people "Jocken the bitches and slappin' da hoes" ... I have no idea where I'm going with that.

@Steve
I never said that hip-hop was destructive, on the contrary it, like metal, is probably an outlet for people who would otherwise be pissed off and have nothing to help them vent. Hell a lot of people around me owe their lives to Soilwork & In Flames, whenever I get in the killing mood I just crank up the metal & cruise around in a GTA game shooting people.

What I was meaning was the stereotype of the gang running drug pushing rapper was self destructive to both the people involved and the wider community

True, but since it's a video game, it's going to get more of a beating than violent rap lyrics. Not MUCH more, but still...

@ Kurisu

Why would you want a diamond covered Benz? Diamond Covered Mercalago is where it's at! Oh maybe a car mode out of gold and silver! *Looks around* What? So no one has thought of what they would blow they're money on if you had that kind of cash?

50 cent Bulletproof = Shaq Fu with guns.

Harvard?

"I say this rapping music is quiet disturbing and hostile."

I'm struggling to care about this article, with the inconsistencies and all.....

@ kurisu7885

I'm gonna guess a diamond encrusted benz doesn't leave the garage. Something tells me it would cost you a little more when you hit a pothole then the rest of us.

@DarrelBT: Shaq Fu was better

LMFAO.. SOME OF YOU PPL ARE JUST TOO FUNNY.. atleast manhunt has merrit?!wtf..
there is different kinds of rapers for one, you got your 50 cent you ppl seem to know him so you know what hes about but do you over night rap experts know kanye west, mos def, q tip, ll cool j, slick rick, krs 1, thats just a few..
there is positive rap music out there just like ther are positive games but than you got your gta, man hunt oh wait that has merrits lol.
you ppl sound stupid, ill bet money that more than half of you cus and degrade woman more in 2 days than 2 of 50 cents album put together..
and lets think about this whats worse a guy talking about violence or some crazy ass white kid running around a mall killing ppl, and in schools too.
now when was the last time you heard a violent rap crime, last one i heard of was big and pac and thats been years.. not everyone grows up with momy and daddy in a mansion, so if you cant relate to rap its cool but millions do relate so eas up you wanksta's if i you dont know shit about it.

I can see from the comments not many people here actually understand rap music.

@ those with something to say against Harvard

I am not surprised that Harvard has a conference on Hip-Hop. I dont care what you think about rap music. Music or generally speaking Art have communicative abilities. The questions to ask about any art are What is the artist trying to communicate? How does the artist go about communicating? Why is the artist trying to communicate this message.

Hell Rap music has taken the nation globally you have rap artist all over the world now. I bet people could give lectures on how music evolved into rap music. Also there is the political nature that can be discussed with any music genre, from Toby Keith's "boot in your ass" to public enemy.

There is also the cultural aspect, just looking at how our culture has evolved, from the time of jazz, to Elvis to Beetles to Madonna to Nirvana to whatever. How the artist broke certain barriers, tested the limits of society, or represent to the moral compass.

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I personally think that this artist was talking about the glorification of being a drug dealer, gangsta, and the "Thug life." He wants to stop that promotion of that lifestyle. Gangsta rap has been out of the mainstream for a while until 50 cent started to bring it back. With he brought back that "image" that lifestyle. The difference between GTA and 50 cent is the promoting of the lifestyle. GTA is a game and well it tries to glorify the criminal life it does it at such an extreme that it practically becomes absurd to even attempt to live that lifestyle. 50 cent on the other actually and actively promotes the lifestyle and is realistic because he lived and is currently living it.

Thing is about Rap is that the lyrics are supposed to be attention grabbing, just like most other forms of music. Rhythm and Word-patterning means you cannot always say things beyond a basic level. I'm sure some people recall some scientist getting up in arms about a song that mis-estimated the size of the Universe.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/comment/story/0,,1581826,00.html

As you can see, get over-analytical and you lose the point of the song, which is to be fun to listen to.

As for the tone of Rap Music, here we see a generator in action that is almost identical to the 'FPS' syndrome that the Video Game market seems to be caught in, they consider FPS games to be their 'biggest sellers', without realising that those games are the biggest sellers because they occupy a great deal of shelf-space, same here, artists think that 'Gangster' style rapping is the one that will make them money, because that is the style of Rap that is released into the mainstream. Chicken and Egg.

well, i have to point out that there are millions of ppl that like 50's music me included, album sales sais so.. what i dont get is a web site like this saying that rap music is violent, but yet on april 29th everyone here will be playing gta 4. how is it too extreme to jack a car and run over pedestrians? how is it absurd to attempt anything out of a gta game or any game? explain that please? you would need a little more imagination to attempt anything out of a song, while a game practically shows you how to do it.. let's not be hipacrits!

ohh, and how is 50 living the life style he raps about?? have you heard any of his albums?? he talks about killing and shooting ( on some songs) so how the fuck is he not in prison if he lives that life style??? explain that f**ked up.

He lived that lifestyle and maybe currently living. I dont know but if he does not, must be a really good actor or at creating the theater for people to take him seriously to believe he lives in the "thug life", gangsta lifestyle. As one a 14 yr old punk kid told me at a 50 cent concert, "Dont mess wit me, I will kill you like I m 50 cent."

And how is he not in prison? well simple have u ever done something illegal and been arrested? No...

Ok then how many unsolved murders are there? How many witnesses are willing to report the crime? How many crimes are caught on tape? How many crimes go out the door due to lack of evidence? How many crimes are not solved because the police do not have the resources? I also wonder how many people associated with the crime are prosecuted as those they committed the crime (They dont wanna be a rat)? In "Gang warfare" I wonder how many people from the gang will report the deaths to police or if the police even care? (I remember reading a story i think 5 years ago where a police office said I dont care if gang members kill each other as long as innocent people dont get killed). Also with gang violence, there is usually not enough evidence to prove that the bullet shot came from the gun blah blah was holding. Therefore they cannot always pin 1st degree crimes to the person and end up settling for something lower.

the only good rappers are the Beastie Boys, but even thay get repetitive sometimes. i dont hate rap but i dont love it. theres hardly any good rap music any more let alone positve rap/hip hop unless its that christian crap. i might check out some of this guys stuff. he sounds like he knows what hes rapping about.

I didnt say it was 50 cents fault. I just said a 14 yr old punk kid was there, he could have been 16, I m not the bouncer I dont check IDs. But he was probably there because of the same reason people under 17 can get GTA.

No music is not regulated like video games. The only music regulation I know of has a parental advisory sticker placed on them. There is no rating system to deem what music is appropriate for what age. All there is a warning that says "Bad Content" aka Mature Content.

Where did I call hip-hop garbage?

In a capitalist society there is a tendency to promote a lifestyle along with a product. It can be seen in what type of clothes you wear, the music, what you do for fun, to how you speak, to what hair style you have, and so on so on.

For example take oh I dont know, lets say Run DMC, People started to emulate them, buying into their lifestyle. From the Adidas shoes with no shoelaces, street clothes and sweat suits, thick gold ropes, and porkpie hats.

Still dont believe me? well if you have a Mo Hawk what music do you think they listen to? And if they are wearing a full bunch of chains around their pants or adorn with metallic objects? Always dressed in black or other dark colors? Piercings on their nose, and ears? what are they saying about themself? what lifestyle do you think they live or try to live?

In this promoting of the lifestyle, the punk, thug, alternative, hippie, or etc generates the theater. It can be subtle or it can be blatant, it all depends on the person and people part of that lifestyle. Usually the easiest way to recognize the theater comes in the form of rumors or gossip aka hearsay. The public may and possibly never know the truth but people will believe what they want to believe and half-truths or plain out lies. For instance did Diddy really have a gun that night? The tear drop tattoo did it really happen or did the person just get it? Is the cross mark really a crip tattoo or did the person just get it because they wanted to be a crip? Was he really flashing gang signs or was it something else? Did he really the target of a shooting or was it just bad timing? We may never know but people believe what they want and it adds to the theater of it all.

I see you got my point about the video game regulations vs music regulation.

Where Have I trashed Rap music? Where did I say I didnt support rap music?

I didnt say your not a killer or drug dealer. I said you try to emulate them as far as your willing to go. The 14 yr old at the 50 cent concert probably wanted to emulate him further than you would go. I m wondering how far some people went to emulate NWA back in the day?

Well what you dont understand is the difference between mediums. Music tends to blur the lines between reality and fantasy better than any other medium due to theatrical nature of how it is promoted. Sure it can be all lies when they rap about the time shot the person. Sure they maybe have that emotion of deep seeded love when they wrote that power ballad. For all we know they were just fooling around and a great beat arouse, then the lyrics were formed after taking old lyrics that were thrown out. But thats all part of the theater of music. We probably will never know who "you ought to know" by alanis morrsette, was targeted at if it was targeted at anyone. People will speculate that she wrote about blah blah because they broke up at the time she making the album and that is the theater. Who did 2pac target when he rapped "I aint mad at cha" or was there really a Brenda? or is directed at the general public? or did he write after hearing about the story in the news? The answer to these questions generates the theater. And, more than likely, in this theater it is base off of real life. Dont believe me? Take what happen after Biggie released "who shot ya"

Basically lets just use this as an example, Al Pacino was in many many different films about organized crime or crime families but is Al Pacino a gangster? part of organized crime? Do you think Al Pacino would commit such crimes or attempt to commit such crimes? Now compare that with 50 cent. Yeah a song about killing someone could be fake (yeah i dare u say that to some fans), fine. In context with the image he is promoting do you think its possible? no? How about 2pac? The Game? Now compare that with the false reality of video games. There song maybe fake just like the fake reality of a video game but they have created this image, the theater, about themself thus blurring the line between reality and fantasy. Then the question is which seems grounded in reality.

Music and video game regulation at the commercial level is the same. But Video game industry goes a step further with their rating system saying what age the music is suitable for. I dont think the music industry has a bunch of people sitting around a table going, lets rate this tween for those 10 to 14 (which does not seem illogical for music but I digress).

Yes I know there is no NWA and no 2pac or Biggie, there something examples. I also use alanis morrsette but it looks like that went right over your head.

But wasnt 50 cent going to stop rapping after kanye beat him in sales? I digress

I didnt say rap blurs the line between fantasy and reality, I said music and theater of music blurs the line, I took a general approach and use rap music as an example. I could have used a numerous other genres (see Alanis Morsette example) but instead used rap since it is the topic at hand.

Now bringing up the parents. I was under the assumption that parents was not the topic of discussion. The topic was the glorification of the gangsta image, lifestyle of hip-hop and the promotion of murder that is associated with it. Video games were brought up because GTA, 50 cents bullet proof game. I began an argument on which medium promotes the glorification in a believable fashion, The "lies" "fake", almost fantasy / threating stories of rap music glorifying the killing of other humans? or the virtual reality killing of humans in a video game. One is has it feet better planted on the ground of reality than the other.

Lets use Ice-Ts Cop Killa and GTA for example. They the same controversy (they were both attacked by the lawyer that should not be named) or some would argue otherwise. Both could argue its just a song, its just a video game. But look at who it is presented by. One is presented by a large corporation who needs to think about there moral compass. Another by a person (group) that used to call himself the original gangsta and is known to as the person to introduce the crip walk. But which one seems more grounded in reality?

In addition to just the "stories" that come out of rap music there is the theater that is built up around the artist. News reports, gossips and rumors all create the theater. Such as a new report that a shooting between blah blah entourage and blah blah entourage occurred.

Apparently you can seem to take a joke aka 50 cent retiring.

hmm no mention of the Cop Killa part. woosh,

Army uses video games as practice? Where did you here that? From the idiot known as David Grossman? Someone is miss-informed. Yeah the Army creates video games as recruiting tools and propaganda device. Yeah video games can teach people how to think strategically and plan things out, but carrying out the plan is a different story, aka easier said than done. But simulating a real life shoot out? yeah and so does playing laser tag, playing with nerf guns, or paint ball. I guess you were not here when a group of veteran soldiers protested the America's Army game when used as a recruiting tool see here

"I dont need examples of old hip-hop, shit like that dont happen any more"
Site your sources. There maybe no east vs west coast rivalry anymore but there are still rivalries and a lot of them are very similar to old examples of hip-hop. Bennie Man and Bounty killa, 50 cent and Fat Joe, 50 cent and the Game, Benzino and Eminem, Lil Flip and TI, and etc. Hell the Murder INC and Aftermath feud was similarly compared as the revival of Biggie vs 2pac even stated by Eminem by starting were biggie and 2pac left off. So shit dont like that dont happen anymore was it?

Oh dont for get the up in smoke tour where Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg show a video on screen asking the audience if he should kill this n****a.

Actions speak louder than words huh? Like having someone get shot (50 cent, the game, Lil Kim, Capone, Remy Ma, Cassidy, Shyne)? Some having a fist fight (Papoose, Fat Joe, Puff Daddy (I know he goes by Diddy now), Suge Knight), Da Band on making the band 3 or 4 )? Or Stabbing someone (Black Child, Young Buck, etc etc). Hmm I dont think words in there songs are always "Idol threats or fiction" as you put it. Wait I thought Shit like that dont happen anymore?

Yeah GTA does glorify the criminal life but a lot of mission are out right absurd all the while some rap artist talks about going to shoot someone then next thing you here on news is some one in so and so entourage got shot. I dont see Rockstar going out and doing that. But the theater of video games lies well with in the video game. When your playing a video game you know your playing a video game, Like going to a movie, you know your watching a movie. Music and the theater of music does not give a clear cut line where the theater begins and where it ends. That remind me of that Boondocks episode Thug Love. It is all blend together as one. You said its about the medium that sends the stronger message well lets compare it to a movie based on real life and a movie thats pure fiction. Which one sends a stronger message?

i hope no one over at rockstar goes crazy if ea takes over cause they got some crazy ass imagination.

what?? i wasnt comparing paint ball guns etc.. from what i read you wrote that first after i said the army uses games for practice, so who's shooting for the moon? look you already admited that games can teach you and help plan things out, and that the army uses it as a recruiting tool, what more of a reality do you expect me to give examples for? our army is using it as a tool shoulda deaded this conv. already..

you want me to stay on the topic but yet you bring up about 50 not making albums, you bring up paint ball guns, you go into detail about al pacino, and ask me to compare movies and many other things, but im the one that gets off the subject? what the fuck? you bring it up, i answere it, and bring it up again but im off base?!

when did i say rap was fictional? for the 2 weeks that we been going at it, i never said all of rap was fake, what i said was not everything you hear is real, did you get that vibe mag yet? now why dont you get xxl. most of hip-hop is entertainment fat joe and 50 is a battle on who's #1 even though joe dont sell many albums. papoose and joe was a fight nothing more nothing less they just happen to be in hip-hop so it gets tangled up in hip-hop. remy ma shot her best freind cause she thought she took her money thats another situation were it happens every day in life your a jounalist you listen to the news allot shit like that happens if your in hip-hop or not. like i said even if rap and games went obsolete you would still see that kinda shit on the news..

now when a kid sees shit like that on the news, they get the chance to see the price they pay for that, games, well, what does it teach you that if you pick up a hooker you could bang it out (have sex) beat the shit out of her and get your money back. than since its "EMERSIVE" they get drawn to that shit, end up playing it everyday after school and what do you end up with a rotten little bad ass.

when the ps3 came out werent ppl getting muged in the parking lot? didnt somebody get shot? your the journalist with this knowledge of long history im sure you know about those and many others, but wait i cant bring that up cause it's not the topic right!? so i guess you whont answere that either!

no im not gana read up on cop killa ima stay ignorent on that shit for the simple fact that cop killa isnt a problem in 2008 that was dealt with already. you wana stay on topic well than lets stay on topic! the topic isnt about big, pac, ice t, like i said thats the 80's and 90's. the topic is about 50 and glorifieing violence etc.. and gta doing the same thing im saying games take it that extra step you say it doesnt cause the missions are too absurd to attempt.. you sound so stupid saying that! gta is a sandbox you do know that right?

well lets see 50 has g-unit and beleive me many others that dont get mentioned. fat joe has terror squad again with many others that dont get mentioned, papoose has i crew i dont know their name but i have a mix tape somwere with him repin them. so, if 50's crew goes at it with joes crew and it gets to the news, what do you think its gana be called a reunion fight?

yea the media was involved in the east vs west. there goes that tunnel vision again! you seem to miss every point.. fact is their still hasnt been as big of a rivalry like that. did eminem kill ja rule? did 50 killem? did ja kill them no! did anyone from the west or east kill them no did the media get in it no. all that shit was underground... eminem and 50 killed his career thats how that story ended. so if they are both still alive than how the fuck is it the same? because eminem said so? you are the one reacing for the moon to prove a point.. you realy got played in life huh..

what the hell was available to play back than, e.t, and space invaders, and than the big crash.. what else was their mario and sonic, frogger. im trying to think of something along the lines of gta, saints row, graw, americas army, bioshock. i cant think of any though can you?

Comparing the level of violence, tension, and lyrical content between 50 cent, G-Unit, The Game, Fat Joe, Ja Rule, Aftermath, and Eminem. I would say it was about the same just none of the major artist havent been and hopefully will never be killed, but some of the artist have

read what you wrote carefuly (i just learned how to copy and paste lol) so who is going for the moon? "i would say it is about the same"?( thats you) wtf.. they battled it out to see whos better and no major artists died do you not see how far rap came from the 80's and 90's but yet you wana say its still the same? and whant me to defend the old hip-hop..

again im not saying there is no violence in rap what im saying is games take it that extra step, and you make it seem like its impossible to do things that can be done in gta or alot of other violent games just cause its a game, yea you and i are sane ppl but its a big world and many others arent..

its been 2 weeks are you gana get it yet? games are emersive rap isnt they both have violence but one takes it that extra step.. yea you seem to know your history but that doesnt mean you know what your talking, funny your kinda like jacko you know your shit but damn yall cant find the end of the tunnel.. ( tunnel vision)

you are not funny or good at being sarcastic so just chill with that, stick to journalism thats what your good at.. i read it again and have to answere it.. what do you expect the army to use for amunition? live rounds? it would only make sense to use those things. what wouldnt make sense is for the army to use games as a tool if it was impossible to live out. you wanted examples and that shits all over your 80's and 90's examples. so stop being sarcastic and tell me how comparing that is shooting for the moon? you wnted reality and , well face it thats reality. its almost imposible to get what the army has but a .22 will still end a life, and that my friend is sure ass hell not imposible to get..

GUY, SEROUSLY WTF ARE YOU READING? where in that did i say rap was fictional? i never said ALL of rap was fictional i never even used that word till you wrote it.. i said not everything a rapper raps about is real not everything you hear is real. you must of been heart broken when you found out wrestling wasnt real. to a certain extent i know you cant fake getin slamed and choped on the chest. damn kid open your eyes.

no, realy, your not funny..
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video games as practice oh please, that like saying reading a book on baseball is practice for the world series. Yes and playing Madden is practicing for super bowl. Even the veteran army protesters were stating that video game does not even come close.
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their goes that lame ass sarcasim again, IT'S a fact. you said it, i said it, and the veterans said it. the army is using it as a tool. you can be sarcastic all you want, the veterans can protest all they want. point is someone higher up in the chain doesnt agree with your sarcasim, and they abviously dont agree with the veterans. see what i mean about you not being funny, cause you dont look at the BIG picture!
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choose to be ignorant by not reading up on Cop Killa. I thought it would a great read for someone who heavily vested in rap music. Yes this maybe the year 2008 and but there were many years before that and to understand how we got here we must look back.
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how do you know how heavily vested i am in rap music? shit you got all the histoy of it down to lawyer names and who intrduced the crypt walk etc.. from the looks of it you my freind vested ALOT of your time into rap thats why i been calling you a hipacrit. yea you gata look back but to a certain extent. let me see, let me bring up the crypt walk in the time that you talk about it, it was only done by those in the cryps, well now it's done in alot of video's by ppl not in that gang and guess what, they are not being shot at they would of back in the day.. same goes for the color of the cryps and blood's. man, i realy dont know how many times i have to keep saying that yes there is violence in rap but not to the extremes of the nwa who made videos on attacking cops etc, ice t. etc. most of the rapers that rap today have lyrics towards violence but realy dont take it that far( i know sometimes they do their is usualy a deeper story as to why they did it that ends up being a sitution that has to do with wat you see in the news done by your average ppl) and most of it is underground shit. it's not comercial, you dont hear it on your local hip-hop station not the 2 that i listen to anyway. yea 50 got shot, remy ma shot her freind but the price that they are paying and paid also set examples in a weird harsh way of their actions. alot of games dont do that.

ill say it again and again games are emersive did you get that EMERSIVE.... you can put houndreds of hours into games like bioshock,mass effect, gta etc. and you know what else? this is gana blow your mind, not every one is sane like you and i! yea we know when the game is off, its off.. but their are kids, disturbed kids that when they turn it off they think they can go and do it cause it seemed so damn easy to them in the game. welcome to planet earth were anything is possible.. (now that their is funny)

Just because so and so didnt get killed doesnt mean it wasnt at violent. thats like saying American revolution did really do shit compared to the French revolution because the King George of england didnt get beheaded.

sigh, im gana go out on a limb and say your being sarcastic again?! what happened to staying on the topic? other things didnt happen either, point was rap came a long way from your examples. sigh, read it again please..
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And here is one more, LL Cool J allowed hip-hop to be romantic by doing the first hip-hop “ballad”, “I Need Love” and “Hey Lover”
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i like this copy and paste thing. did you know that ll has violent lyrics too in his time. the rap battle with him and canibus.. see the difference between comercial music and defending your mic underground aka freestyle.. do you understand now what i mean by not all rap is real and not all rappers live it out just cause they rap about it.. again yea i know their is still violence never said there wasnt all i said is dont beleive every little thing you hear you know like the up in smoke tour that you whent to. and just so you know i only been to 2 concerts jingle jam and when beyoce came to mohega sun. so whos more invested?
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Honestly this argument is going around in circles. Its like explaining multiplication to someone who cant add. But here I am trying to explain communication structure and theory and how it applies to rap music and video games. almost like Galileo (I can site examples as use them as proof) before the church (to the one that will constantly deny).
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i agree round and round you go. you tell me to stay on topic but yet your all over the place and dont evn realise it kinda like pointing a blind man in the right direction. lol now thats funny. you are comparing shit that happen in the 80's and 90's and saying it's the same thing cause the rap lyric is violent, yea no one died but its still the same? wtf? i cant even think of an example for that as its too stupid to even think about....

yea (long pause), and the rest of the crap you wrote is just you trying to sound smarter than you actually are.. you may know your history mr. jounalist or historian witch ever you prefer but what you dont know is how to seperate them from then and now, shit you dont even see the stride rap has made from the times you compare it and now 2008..

i got the whole theater thing that you keep talking about like 1 week and a couple days ago i told you i got it, i dont need a journalistic definition of YOUR views.. why dont you look at it this way.. hhmm lets use remy ma, how long do you think her fuck up is gana last in the comunity about what she did i mean realy how long of a lasting effect thats gana have on ppl? now how long was the hot coffe being talked about? i still see it today.. the effects of a game lasts allot longer theater or no theater. you want examples, fuck examples i been giving you facts that holds more weight ( take out the c and s what do you got fat= weight) lmfao that was so damn corny, still funnier than your sarcasims though.. shows you how lame you realy are..

look games are alot more emersive have a longer lasting effect when it gets caught up in all the fuck ups. it can train and help plan out as YOU said, and the violence of games are much more comercial as npd stated that games out sold music in 07. you lost buddy just tuck your tail and walk away. and you know what the ARMY uses it laugh at it all you want protest it all you want point is they use games and not 50. thats my story and im stickin to it damnit open those eyes your not blind are you? if you are sorry i didnt mean to show you the truth.. lol damn let me stop ima go to hell cause of you...

DING DING T.K.O IT'S OVER!!!!

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