Matt Damon's Mom Blasts Violent Video Games... Meanwhile, Bourne Conspiracy Ships in June

Matt Damon's Mom Blasts Violent Video Games... Meanwhile, Bourne Conspiracy Ships in June

April 2, 2008
So, we're wondering if Nancy Carlsson-Paige will criticize the violence in The Bourne Conspiracy (screenshot at left) when it launches for PS3 and Xbox 360 in June.

Carlsson-Paige, you see, is a Boston-area educator who has lectured and written on media violence for some time.

She's also the mother of actor Matt Damon, star of the popular - and violent - Bourne film trilogy.

In a chat session held on the Boston Globe's website, Carlsson-Paige addressed several game-related questions from readers:
c__Guest_: I won't let my son buy the game Halo for Xbox. I'm sure he plays it at friends houses, but am I a bad parent for being witholding like this? It appears to be violent and I'm a little uneasy about all of the shooting

Nancy_Carlsson-Paige: I am very wary of violent video games. Research shows they desensitize kids to violence, even more because they engage kids in committing violence. But if you can talk with your son, have honest dialogues about why you don't want him to play this game, that will help him understand more than if you simply forbid it...

Pam__Guest_: Do you think that the people who crave violence-watching are often those with a lack of a community of real people with whom they could demonstrate the power of brotherly love?

Nancy_Carlsson-Paige: Entertainment violence encourages people to be antisocial and promotes win/lose kinds of relationships. Maybe some people are drawn to violent entertainment because they are already somewhat isolated, but certainly watching it will make them more cut off from "brotherly love" as you say...

One chat room attendee challenged Carlsson-Paige on her son's own involvement with media violence:
Mark__Guest_: Nancy, your son is guilty of promoting violence and making hand guns look cool in his movies. He has also made millions of dollars doing this, what if any advice have you given him? Is it a matter of everyone is doing it, so should I. Or should he select roles where he's not shooting and killing everyone in his path?

Nancy_Carlsson-Paige: Adults have different views about violence in films... I believe there is way too much violence in films, promoted often by box office sales that rise the bloodier things get. Matt and I don't share the same views about violence in adult films, but we do see eye-to-eye on the importance of protecting children. We both support regulations to stop the marketing of violence in films to children through violent toys, products, and video games.

GP: It's too bad that no one asked Carlsson-Paige about the new Bourne game (which, by the way, remains unrated at this point)... Also, to be clear, we don't believe Matt Damon is involved in the game version.

Comments

They keep making the mistake that only children play games when the majority of players are over 18. Even the toys they talk about are collected by adults. Many starwars fan have toy collections honoring the series. When will they understand that certain things like games, toys, and animated TV shows are enjoyed by all age groups. She says her son is a good guy because he does not support children seeing his movies which is fine. But then she assumes game developers are specifically targeting young kids. Where does she get off assuming other peoples motives are not pure and good like Matt's? Children do play violent games and they also watch violent movies starring Matt Damon. I very much doubt Rockstar games is holding a secret underground meeting with Satan trying to figure out how to get GTA 4 into every child's home in the country. How is her son a better person than the developers at Rockstar or Sony or Infinity Ward or any other company that makes mature rated games?
She sounds relatively intelligent, but why do I care again? Matt Damon's mom? WTF? Just because your some famous dude's mom does not mean people give a rat's behind about what you have to say. To many people assume we give a crap.
I agree Peter. Only the dog should be a bloodhound
specifically trained to ferret-out bullshit.
"What's that Gamer? A politician is lying to gain support from ignorant house-fraus? To the DAMON-mobile boy!"
She seems pretty reasonable, though. She's not narrowing out just games. She's willing to admit that different people (such as her son) draw the lines in different places. And she seems to stress creating and maintaining an open dialogue with your children about the subject.
I Matt fucking damon.

Sure he cares
The fact that she still blames the media for crime still makes me wonder if she's from the stone age.

Seriously man, Matt Damon's mom???

Despite who they are all these media-will-cause-violence-among-youth experts are nothing more than ill informed.
About Nancy Carksson-Paige : she's a member of Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood, and she has been writing for at least 25 years on the subject of toys, especially war toys, with CCFC mate Diane Levin. Her most notable books on the subject are "The War Play Dilemma" (1988, new version 2005) and "Who's Calling the Shots" (1990). Her last book is "Taking back childhood", published this year.

I often forget that she's Matt Damon's mother. But after all, she's not her son's keeper.
A google search on her shows that she runs in the same circles as Craig Anderson http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Carlsson-Paige%22+%22Craig+A.+Anderson
which automatically makes anything she says questionable. Anderson has never found anything that didn't cause "aggression" and yet has never defined "aggression."
I'm tired of these parrots. "Oh this and this study shows this." You know what? You're lying. Or misinformed or parroting lies or any combination thereof. SHOW ME THE STUDY. If you can't then don't claim it's the gospel truth.

And all day I will have MATT DAAAAAMON from Team America running through my head.
"with whom they could demonstrate the power of brotherly love"

BWWWAAAA?!?

Yes, it must be that we like video games because we can't find enough people to getogether a decent chorus of Kumbaya...

I've said it before and I'll say it again (and I've said that part before, too) desensitising someone to violence isn't ALWAYS a bad thing. I've seen EMT's that couldn't get desensitised and they just broke down. When FACED with violense, do you want your only option to be either locking up or fainting?

My wife hasn't played violent games, but I've drilled into her that if someone comes through the door and she is too far from the shotgun, anything with mass can be a weapon. Butter knife, desk lamp, naginata... and she is pretty handy with her set of Gil Hibben Throwers. Go for the eyes, the crotch, and the neck, in that order.

Maybe a bunch of elderly ladies sitting around eating their biscuits and drinking their tea don't have to worry about it, but we have gangs where I live. To each their own, but she needs to leave her each out of my own.
Borne is an adult movie, but games like Halo is for children? Many people my age seen Borne when it first came out, and I was 11 at the time. I think just as many kids seen movies like Borne as there are kids playing games like Halo, if not, more.
More about Mrs. Carlsson-Paige found on CCFC's website : http://www.commercialfreechildhood.org/articles/4thsummit/carlssonpaige....

It's a transcript of CCFC's 4th summit, held in 2005. Excerpt :

"Video games are fast becoming a favorite activity outside of school for even young children, often replacing more creative and socially interactive forms of play. Many of the most popular video games, even those played by young children, are violent. A mother told me recently that her 8-year-old son was "suffering socially" because he didn't have video games at home. She finally bought him Pokemon, which she described to me as "very violent." She said her son now plays every day at home with his 5-year-old brother. This is a story I commonly hear from the parents I interview. They buy video games because of the peer pressure their children experience. And once the games enter the house, younger children are playing too."
To hell if she has heard about the game, has she seen the movies? How about The Departed? Saving Private Ryan? Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron? Yes, because violent video games are the real problem.
Here's a plan, stick a hidden microphone on your kid and record the conversations he has with his peers. See how "innocent" your kid is then.
Pokemon= VERY VIOLENT?

WHAT THE HELL?

sO i GUSS HER SON KILLING PEOPLE WITH PENS AND SHIT IS PERFICTY FINE.
coalition of twenty one advocacy groups is demanding that the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) comply with the Federal Trade Commission’s recent recommendation for explicit restrictions on the marketing of PG-13 films to young children. In a letter sent today to MPAA CEO Dan Glickman, the groups urged the MPAA to develop a policy that would restrict the advertising of PG-13 films on children’s television; prohibit restaurant toy giveaways or other food promotions aimed at young children for PG-13 movies; and insure that any toys released in conjunction with a film carry an age recommendation consistent with the film’s rating.



The letter was written and organized by the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood (CCFC). This past summer, CCFC filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission that Transformers – rated PG-13 for “intense sequences of sci-fi action violence, brief sexual humor, and language – was being marketed extensively to preschool children through television advertising, food promotions and licensed toys. Last week, the FTC acted on CCFC’s complaint by urging the MPAA to adopt guidelines for the marketing of PG-13 movies.



“Transformers is just one of a string of violent, PG-13 movies marketed to preschoolers,” said CCFC’s co-founder and director, Dr. Susan Linn. “For too long, the film industry has undermined its own rating system by bypassing parents to target young children directly with marketing for films that the industry itself has determined warrant parental caution.”



Between May 2006 and June 2007, the Children’s Advertising Review Unit (CARU) publicly cited seven instances of PG-13 movies being advertised during children’s television programming. In 2007, Spiderman 3, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, and The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer featured licensed toys for children as young as four. In 2005, the PG-13 blockbuster Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith featured toys for young children as well as a Burger King toy giveaway and several other food promotions that clearly appealed to preschool children, despite George Lucas’ public statements that the film’s violence and dark themes were inappropriate for children under six.



Tim Winter, President of the Parents Television Council said the PTC signed the letter to “send a message to the motion picture industry. If the MPAA wants their ratings to mean anything, they must stop the hypocrisy of marketing potentially harmful violent and sexual themes to children while claiming to protect children with mature ratings.”



“It is distressing that the industry response to parental concerns about media content is almost always to place the full burden on parents,” said Cheryl Leanza of Office of Communication of the United Church of Christ, Inc., a signatory to the letter. “These industry members essentially offer parents a Hobson’s choice: either expose your children to content that you find unacceptable, or withdraw your children from popular culture. This serves no one. We all benefit with more mutual communication and understanding, not less.”



Added Dr. Linn, “Given the film industry’s consistent failure to respect parents as gatekeepers, it is disappointing that the FTC chose to rely on self-regulation rather than taking action. We urge the MPAA to use this reprieve to institute a policy insuring that PG-13 movies are marketed in a manner consistent with their rating.”



The complete text of the letter to the MPAA can be found at http://commercialfreechildhood.org/mpaaletter.pdf.



The FTC's recommendation can be found at http://commercialfreechildhood.org/ftcrecommendation.pdf



CCFC's original letter to the FTC can be found at http://commercialfreechildhood.org/pressreleases/transformersftcletter.p...



That fucking does it.

I collected star war since I was 5. fuck them to hell.
Thing is, if she respects her sons' choice to make millions from violent entertainment, despite not agreeing with it, which is a parental position I approve of, why does she not take the next logical step and realise that she has even less right to have any say over other people's interaction with the media.

Matt Damon 'rehearses' each scene in the Bourne series several times before filming take place, does that mean that if he is put in a situation in real life he is going to change into the movie-character like some kind of Super-hero? Of course not, he's Matt Damon, an actor first, and his character second, just as when you are playing Violent Video games, you are someone playing a game first, and some kind of Elf with a sword that no person of those physical dimensions should be capable of lifting only while you are playing the game.

That's in part, why I don't necessarily disagree with the concept that it takes a few minutes to get 'out of character' after playing a video game, I could well agree there's a lot of 'lad' ishness after a challenging game, just like in Football, Baseball or any other game, being on the winning team makes you beat your chest for a few minutes, but there's a difference between the adrenaline rush of 'Victory' and going out and mowing down your classmates in cold blood, I simply cannot see a causal link.

In her defence, she talks about society in general, which does seem, at least to me, not to have taken a violent turn, but taken a very defeatist one, we always expect the worst from ourselves, and then tend to make sure we deliver, the media doesn't help because it is far more interested in displaying the worst side of humanity than the best.

I suppose if people were to ask me 'would you prefer it if games like GTA and Manhunt had never been as popular as they were?' then my reply would be 'Yes', but then, one of the main reasons that they are still popular is because of the people who dislike them continuously reminding us of their existence. Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre is not famous for being a good film, it isn't, it was gory, that was its selling point, but because of detractors, just about everyone has heard of it, same, I think, with GTA, had it not been for people keep pointing to it, it would have arrived, had its 15 minutes and vanished long ago.
The phrase "brotherly love" cracks me up every time, because I associate it with "The Philadelphia" by playwright David Ives. That said, the question was loaded -- note Carlsson-Paige's shifty "maybe-as-you-say" answer -- and her lumping of violent toys and other products with videogames indicates to me that she's got the "games are for kids" mindset that all the lawyers and legislators we love to hate seem to have.

The whole article is a barrel of laughable advice, especially this gem for a parent concerned about the Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block: "maybe look at the show together." Yeah, that plan is gonna go swimmingly. She keeps admitting that she's not familiar with the media that people ask her about, and while her honesty is refreshing, I keep wondering how credible she can really be if she hasn't done the research.
I am sorry about my previous comment.

You just can't diss star wars infront of me.
"Also, to be clear, we don’t believe Matt Damon is involved in the game version."

No, he hasn't touched the game. Something to do with Legalities.

They'll just say it's because.. Is it inspired by the books or the film?
People need to watch Team America World Police.
People need to watch Team America World Police.

Maaaaaatt Daaamooon.
I'll give her credit for one thing:

"But if you can talk with your son, have honest dialogues about why you don’t want him to play this game, that will help him understand more than if you simply forbid it…"

This is something most anti-game types wouldn't even *consider* doing.
"Many of the most popular video games, even those played by young children, are violent. A mother told me recently that her 8-year-old son was “suffering socially” because he didn’t have video games at home. She finally bought him Pokemon, which she described to me as “very violent.” She said her son now plays every day at home with his 5-year-old brother."

I'm going to pull this quote out everytime I need something to show how alarmist some of these 'experts' can be. If Pokemon is violent, I wonder whether any of these people have ever been outside their front door into the real world.
"Also, to be clear, we don’t believe Matt Damon is involved in the game version." -GP

Correct, the game does not use Damon's likeness or voice.


Andrew Eisen
“It is distressing that the industry response to parental concerns about media content is almost always to place the full burden on parents,” said Cheryl Leanza of Office of Communication of the United Church of Christ, Inc., a signatory to the letter. “These industry members essentially offer parents a Hobson’s choice: either expose your children to content that you find unacceptable, or withdraw your children from popular culture. This serves no one. We all benefit with more mutual communication and understanding, not less.”

Wow... Is she actually complaining that parents should, oh I don't know, take responsibility? It is, after all, the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids take in and/or understand what they're seeing on television and other forms of media. It's sad and distressing to see someone openly complaining about parents being required to take responsibility for their children.
"These industry members essentially offer parents a Hobson’s choice: either expose your children to content that you find unacceptable, or withdraw your children from popular culture. This serves no one. We all benefit with more mutual communication and understanding, not less."

Except what you want is "restrict all content you find unacceptable, even for other parents who might not find it so".

Why is that so hard to understand for some people?
"Entertainment violence encourages people to be antisocial and promotes win/lose kinds of relationships."

....It's called 'friendly competition.' What's next, keeping kids from playing sports in school?

This kind of thinking is a couple stones-throw away from all the needless rules in schools to minimize contact between students. Anti-hugging rules come to mind. (Though certainly not limited to it, of course. Lack of recess is another for the younger grades)

"Maybe some people are drawn to violent entertainment because they are already somewhat isolated, but certainly watching it will make them more cut off from “brotherly love” as you say…"

If your children are so consumed by the entertainment that it's the ONLY thing on their mind, maybe. However, in the REAL world, they talk about more than just one thing all day long. They exchange many subjects. A-doy.

"I am very wary of violent video games. Research shows they desensitize kids to violence, even more because they engage kids in committing violence."

In other words, she's familiar with the JT/Yee/extremist spin on the subject. At least attempt to SITE the source. Geez.

I like how she dodged that last question and basically went "Adults are smart, kids are not. PROTECT TEH CHILDZ. MAGIC 18 BALL."
@ Canary

DITTO (no pun intended)

That's just plain.... how is Pokemon violent?? It's one-framed 2D sprites spewing water across the screen. Flashing. Fainting.

Just..... no. Just no.
@Soldatlouis


Pokemon very violent? OMFG I LOLED SO HARD!!!! i won't say anything becasue the women can think what she wants. but honestly. if i thought my child had a mental problem leading to a merging of fantasy and reality i would rather have them playing the game at HOME instead of where i can't see or hear what is going on. honestly when i was young some of my friends parents would see that were were still alive every other day when they happened to see us in the hall or kitchen etc.
Jeff - Yea... that segment made me laugh a little in disgust. Especially the part "either expose your children to content that you find unacceptable, or withdraw your child from popular culture."

What? I don't even know how to respond to that. She is complaining about adults enjoying this game and her inability to tell a child no that is not for you? I honestly fail to see the issue. Parents have to determine what their child can or can not consume. It is the parents DUTY. Her statement is obviously reflective of a segment society that no longer wants to have the "burden" of parenting their children. Why should anyone else besides the parents be responsible for the parenting of that child. Why have children if you don't want to raise them? Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose? Why have a child you don't want to parent? I'm obviously missing something here. Here they are labeling us as evil and a menace to society and they don't even want to parent their own children they want us to help them.

I think people like her are the problem. If you have a child you are responsible for raising it yourself, with your partner or with your family. It is a family issue. Why should another party or in this case an industry of artists be responsible for the parenting of your child? They aren't. That is the parents job. End of story.
@axia77
Agree completely-I wouldn't even care about what Damon himself had to say about games, since as far as I know he's never been involved in one (though if I'm wrong on that one I guess he might have something to say). As for his mom, she's entitled to her opinion as much as I am, but I have no more desire to listen to her than she has to listen to me.

Games aren't for kids, etc. etc.

And as someone noted above, a limited "desensitization" to violence may be a good thing...if someone comes at you with a knife and you're too shocked to react, the fight is already over. You lost. Personally, my parents made sure I had some self-defense training (I took martial arts for over 10 years), and I am extremely grateful for that. I intend to make sure, when I have kids, that they know how to protect themselves too. Violence exists, and not being aware of it does not protect you. You cannot pretend it out of the world-it does not work. So stop trying.
@TJLK

Exactly.

It's baffling that society has reached this point. The industry is not responsible for anything more than developing and marketing a product to consumers who, by the way, have the option of buying or NOT buying a product. Seriously, it shouldn't even be an issue. You don't want your child to play Halo? More power to you. The problem is that the same parents who complain about what their kids play are the ones the PURCHASED THE DAMN GAME TO BEGIN WITH! They had the option of using their discretion to buy or not to buy.

It is not the industries responsibility to make sure you parent your child appropriately. Speaking of Halo... The woman who is worried about her child playing it to begin with. I can semi-understand her concern about her son playing it at a friends house, however, it almost sounded like her son had a copy at home? If that is the case then how the hell did he get it? Maybe mommy wasn't paying attention when she went looking for a gift for junior.
In an age that we have telephones, cellphones and computers how hard is it to e-mail the parent of your child's friend and ask them to not allow your child to play with this particular game. I'm sure a phone call would most likely be appreciated. If the parent is unwilling to grant you that just determine that your child should invite his friend into your home so you are certain that they are not playing a game you don't approve of. I'm sure if you are kind about it they will gladly say "Alright, I will be sure your child doesn't play this game." or even "I'll be sure to check the rating for this game when your child comes into my home." Its not like you have to gather the horse and wagon and ride it down a bumpy dirt road or send smoke signals.
"She finally bought him Pokemon, which she described to me as “very violent.”"

Of course pokemon is violent! Cute fuzzy rodents hurl lightning at cute little turtles in gladiatorial death matches! WE MUST PROTEST.

/sarcasm

Seriously though. I hesitate to do so, but I'd use myself as an example as a point to refute the "video games = violence" theory. I've played Resident Evil, Halo, Call of Duty, Silent Hill, Grand Theft Auto, and just about every other violent game that supposedly causes violence.

Maybe I should play that Pokemon game. I bet that'd push me over the edge.
Ok lets regulate violent video games but not songs about how Sarah Silverman is fucking Matt Damon......
(Did my post not make it through? o_0)

"She finally bought him Pokemon, which she described to me as “very violent.”"

Of course pokemon is violent! Cute fuzzy rodents hurl lightning at cute little turtles in gladiatorial death matches! WE MUST PROTEST.

/sarcasm

Seriously though. I hesitate to do so, but I'd use myself as an example as a point to refute the "video games = violence" theory. I've played Resident Evil, Halo, Call of Duty, Silent Hill, Grand Theft Auto, and just about every other violent game that supposedly causes violence.

Maybe I should play that Pokemon game. I bet that'd push me over the edge.
@eville1 & point09micron:

Dang, beat me to it! ("Maaaatttt Daaaamoooonnnnn!")
Canary,

You and me both. I'm also a Pokemon fan. Have most of the games and more Pikachu items (both me and my wife) then most grown men would admit (I do a fair impression). And while I may not be able to name them all from memory, I can at least identify all 251 (ok, I liked the shows and the games, that's all!)

And when you call Pokemon "very violent" then I have to start asking you, do you know there is a war going on? Do you know what happens in a war? Have you ever seen football, soccer, rugby? Would you like to walk though some of the more dangerous areas of our cities? What do you determine as "violent"? What is your definition? Is conflict by its own nature violent? Is competition?

I knew an old lady who didn't like Pokemon because she felt that the shortened word Monster in its name was offensive, being defined as something horrible, evil, monsterous.

Basically, it's a changing of the guards. You have new concepts and ideals, and the older generation sits back in the plush chairs, puffing on a pipe or knitting and such, and they talk about how... [wobbly dream sequence transition]

"It wasn't like this back in my day, all this frippery about virtual this and that. I know what virtual means. It means it's not real, hurumph! By definition, why, it's fake. Quite right, quite right! See here. All these video games, not good for the younger generation. I've been around the corner a few time, I'd say, and I know what's what! Why, theywould be better off spending their time doing anything else, perhaps getting together for a rousing good chorus oor something. (You there, fetch me another spot of tea. That's a good girl.) You know, what we should do is take those things away from them. It'd be for their own good, really. I mean, they may think they are grown up, but you don't really see things clearly to you reach my age. It's our duty, our moral duty, of course, to see to it that they are ready. All these flibberty gidgets and such don't prepare them. Not for the real world out there. I mean, it's not as rough as when I was but a lad, but they just aren't ready for. Nope. Not... ready... at... all... zzzZZZzzz."

[End dream sequence]
Ahhh... good old fasioned English fake grandfather.
@ Eville1, Point09micron and 1agaisnttheworld

I forgot all about the "Maaatttt Dammmoooonnnn!" Part.

I was actaully think more along the lines of "FAG" (Film Actors Guild for those who haven't seen it)

"We'll read the news paper and then recite what we read like it was our opionions all along!"
throughout history violence has been a social activity...
Nancy, your son is guilty of promoting violence and making hand guns look cool in his movies.


So, umm, is all this "promoting" via the Bourne films causing lots of kiddies to volunteer for secret CIA assassin training programs then?

And handguns are already cool. One doesn't need Matt Damon to tell them that...
Oh yeah Mom - your son's movies aren't violent huh?

More violent than *most* games I play.

Even past the 'Bourne' series - I believe he was in Saving Private Ryan? That's one of the most violent movies I've yet to see - outside of slice and dice horror.

Not that I am complaining about the movies - but get real lady.
Does anybody else notice how they never point to the source of these "studies" they keep referring too. Oh, and "Dr Phil said" doesnt count.
@ Canary Wundaboy

Holy crap... pokemon violent? Seriously!?

What the... how can... why does... GAH!
I like Matt, but I'm not too keen on his mom, strutting around like she has all the answers. I cannot believe people are still flinging around statements like "it 'desensitizes' them". I'll come right out, B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. OK? There's no such factor in media. Games and movies don't cause people to be violent, "violent" behavior is the result of an unbalance of hormones and chemicals in the body, simple as that. I know kids who've been playing gory games (starting with Diablo) since they were 5, and they're fine! Stop worrying about 'protecting the children', because that's complete bull, all these people want (Mrs. Carlsson-Paige included) is some time in the spotlight.
Complex Problems simple solutions.

Simple Problems Complex Solutions? Nah, Simple Problems go ignored.
The woman uses her son´s name to get publicity (check the link):

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/chats/transcripts/040108_carlssonpaige/

a.k.a. Matt Damon´s Mom?

Come on! She wants to be considered like a serious professional using her son´s name? It´s that even ethical accepted?

Can we start a "Cooper Lawrence Attack" now?
AAAH Ignorance makes such a good irony.
As I've said before....and continue to say....there's a reason for the Mature and 18+ ratings for (extra) violent games such as the games based on the Bourne Identity movies. Or even games like Halo 3.

I would have liked Andrew Bub, the gamerdad from gamingwithchildren (former gamerdad.com) to have been there to set the record straight.
He and the gamerdad site thinks that it is OK for some kids to play Halo 3, since the violence is mostly cartoony and you only kill space aliens.

I also think we all agree that some children should not be playing say Bioshock, Gears of War, Crysis or CoD4. However, it is the parents that decide what they want their children to see, play or watch. If the guest on the show don't want her son playing Halo 3, it is her decision. If amother decides to buy Pokemon for her 9-10 year old son and then let her 5 year old son play it together with him, it is just a case of bad parenting, imo.
The story raises a valid question about peer pressure, though. Many peope have not got the money to buy the newest games and as a result their children can be left of the social groups which can be devastating to a
child of say 9, 11 or even 15 years of age.

I actually agree in part with matt damon's mom. There is way too much violence in the media these days - from the newscast about a certain war to games about this was, to movies about this war. It seems that it is no longer enough to just show the introduction (or prelude?) to a very violent scene in which there will be blood and gore. You have to show the blood & gore as well. And in my opinion, this gets boring and tiring really really fast. Give me an old fashioned Hitchcock movie any time. Sometime's restrictions can make directors, both in movies and in games, more creative.
Merchandising campaigns draw children into a culture of violence from a young age. In September of 2000, the FTC published a landmark report that showed how the entertainment industry routinely markets violent entertainment to children who are under the ages considered appropriate by the industry's own rating systems. The report described a host of unethical marketing practices used to draw children into violent entertainment. One common marketing practice is to market violent toys and products linked to movies rated PG-13 or R to children as young as four years of age. This was done with Godzilla, Tomb Raiders, Starship Troopers, Small Soldiers, and Spider-Man, to name just a few. Children segue seamlessly from the violent toys to hand held electronic games and then to violent video games. Often parents buy the hand helds without knowing they are gateways to more violent media.


wait what
"She’s also the mother of actor Matt Damon, star of the popular - and violent - Bourne film trilogy."

Don't forget awesome! The second chase scene in Ultimatum = BEST. CHASE. SCENE. EVER.
Oh, and I almost forgot, Matt Damon's decision to no longer star in any Bourne films is why the Jason Bourne in the game doesn't look like Matt Damon.
Idea for new TV Pilot: Gamer Clues, in which Matt Damon and his trusty dog Gamer (I'm thinking a huskie) go around the world talking to people about the real facts behind games and not the BS his mom apparently endorses. Oh wait, people don't want 'reality' shows to be real...
[...] GamePolitics wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSo, we’re wondering if Nancy Carlsson-Paige will criticize the violence in The Bourne Conspiracy (screenshot at left) when it launches for PS3 and Xbox 360 in June. Carlsson-Paige, you see, is a Boston-area educator who has lectured and written on media violence for some time. She’s also the mother of actor Matt Damon, star of the popular - and violent - Bourne film trilogy. In a chat session held on the Boston Globe’s website, Carlsson-Paige addressed several game-related questions from readers: c__Guest_: I won’t let my son buy the game Halo for Xbox. I’m sure he plays it at friends houses, but am I a bad parent for being witholding like this? It appears to be violent and I’m a little uneasy about all of the shooting Nancy_Carlsson-Paige: I am very wary of violent video games. Research shows they desensitize kids to violence, even more because they engage kids in committing violence. But if you can talk with your […] [...]
@Zero Beat

Huh? There was a story a week or two ago about Damon coming back to do a fourth one. Was it a joke, did something change?
Someone brought this point up once before,

Virtual violence only desensitizes you to VIRTUAL violence.

I thought it was worth bringing up
Fictional violence removes stress, it dose not create killers or criminals, once you blame media for leading the people into villainy you lose the right to talk in public IMO.
Yeah, she is misinformed about the effects of violence in video games but what does that have to do with her son starring in violent movies? The title of this post suggests hypocrisy where there is none. Since when is a mother responsible for her grown up son's actions? Unless she lives of her son she's just another misinformed person who thinks she can get some attention by bashing the latest form of entertainment. Guess what, she gets the negative attention and we all can feel like 'victimized' gamers again...
It's time for the gamers to take action now. Hypocrits need to be challeged, lies need to be dispelled, and the voices of the gamers will finally be heard clearly. In order to achieve these means, a remixed (yet new in its own ways) strategy must be persued. I'll go in depth about this plan. I call this plan "Bournestorming".

You pretty much quessing that this plan is a variation of the bookstorming that happen after Fox News' heavily biased Mass Effect story, but this plan is only has about 20% of it in common with the Cooper Lawrence blacklash. Let me explain the basic guidlines.

Will we also write similar reviews about the "Bourne" series (and game), but we will use qoutes from Nancy Carlson-Paige to critise the violence of those films (and game).

1.)The quotes will be required have Carlson-Paige's name and the fact that she's Matt Damon's mother next to them.

2.)The review has to mention that it is written by a gamer upset with Damon's mom views on video games and gamers.

3.)The reviews will have one-star or the lowest equivilent (even if you like the Bourne films, like I do).

4.)There will be no profane insults to Matt Damon's mother in these reviews. Keep it clean guys.

5.)And we will say (in the review) that unless she apologises to the gamers, we (the gaming public) will boycott the future "Bourne" movie internationaly.

I know you are asking, "Would this work?". It will, because reaching out to take on Carlson-Paige through her son initially gather alot attention from the gaming community worldwide. Then the movie studio who has the "Bourne" franchise will take notice the hundreds of one-star reviews and the threat of a "Bourne" boycott. It's a bit harsh, but it should work. People tend to forget that the gamers can be a major economic force.
Theres nothing wrong with halo or any other violent game as long as you take the time to sit down with your kid and tell him/her "This is fake you are not master chief nor will you ever be." Kids learn alot more from there parents then we give credit for.
When will people on both sides of this issue understand that this issue is NOT ABOUT KIDS. It's about one group of people trying to force parents to obey certain rules.

The fact is, PARENTS are the ones who decide what games are in their houses. They can have strict controls over what games get into their houses and what games their kids play. They have this control because they own the house and they make the money. Their kids don't decide what gets played in the house and they don't see a cent unless the parent gives it to them. Oh sure, little Jimmy might have a paper route, but let's face it, it's not going to buy him a bunch of games.

The dirty little secret here is that kids get violent games because many parents either don't believe that games are unhealthy for their kids, or they don't care. And there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Parents are the ONLY ones who have the right to decide what their kids are exposed to.

So what is this issue really all about? A small group of people doesn't like the fact that many parents have a laissez faire attitude towards game violence so they want to come into their living rooms and force them to be more strict. That's what this is about. It's not about the kids - it's about making progressive parents toe the conservative line. Kids have nothing to do with this issue.
"5.)And we will say (in the review) that unless she apologises to the gamers, we (the gaming public) will boycott the future “Bourne” movie internationaly."

Except Matt Damon has nothing to do with what his mother says.
@MR.B

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I can't condone this sort of thing. Wouldn't it only reflect our immaturity if we ended up bombing (figuratively speaking) the films out of spite of one critic's scathing comments?

That's just going to give Mrs. Carlsson-Paige more ammunition to hit us with.

If we're going to refute her claims, I suggest using more civilized means, such as links to more positive research regarding games, and proper arguments.

Keep it civil.
I feel that she might be just saying her views because of the way she was brought up in a society with way more different morals than the way we gamers were,

For us, playing Videogames are just for fun and entertainment, even the violent ones.

Also if you are a conserned mother, the best thing when you are chatting to your kids who do like Violent Videogames is to understand that you also have to LISTEN to THEIR arguments and points of view.

NOT JUST SAYING YOUR OPINION ALL THE TIME!!!!

This is the reason why many kids never share their love for games with their parents, because it is either that the parent never understands their kids or that the parents in over parinoid because of the negativity that they have listened to on the news (FOXNews is one example) and they get sucked in to believing the negativity and it makes it verry hard for them to understand their kids when the kids try to tell their parents that they are just having fun and that they are not really violent in real life.
“Transformers is just one of a string of violent, PG-13 movies marketed to preschoolers,” said CCFC’s co-founder and director, Dr. Susan Linn.

So what 13 y/o would still be retarded enough to be in preschool? You know what, nevermind don't answer that.
@Mr. B : I totally disapprove your suggestion. And I have plenty of reasons for that.

First of all, I disapproved Cooper Lawrence's Amazon book-trashing. I thought it was like sinking to her level in order to be heard, instead of writing her directly in a civil manner (which would have been more coherent... and courageous). However, at the same time, I understood where it came from. After all, Mrs. Lawrence ridiculed herself publicly and at the same time damaged innocent people by blasting a game without verifying her accusations. But was it a reason to vandalize her book ? Was it a reason to appear like a bunch of "angry gamers who can't stand to hear any criticism of their favourite hobby" ? We'll never know, and anyway, Mrs. Lawrence publicly confessed she misspoke and regreted it.

At least, there was a reason to use such extreme methods. But in the case of Nancy Carlsson-Paige, there is absolutely none :
- She blasts "violent video games" ? She thinks that they desensitize to real-life violence ? So what ? If you disagree, you still can email her directly and express your disagreement. Once again, it would be more coherent, and more courageous. Calling her a "liar" only because she doesn't think like you is not a good way to be heard, anyway.
- At the same time, she's Matt Damon's mother ? So what ? She's not her son's keeper, and she even says they both disagree on entertainment violence. Where is the hypocrisy here ?

But the worst of all is that what you propose is even worse than Cooper's book-trashing : because you're upset with the mother, you want to get back at her son and damage his career ?! And you think that with such a Mafia-like mentality, "the voices of the gamers will finally be heard clearly" ? Oh yes, they will be heard : thanks to such a brilliant idea, gamers will appear as a bunch of fanatic zealots who launch a fatwa against anyone who disagrees with them, AND against their families ! Jack Thompson would love that.
I almost forgot one thing : instead of suggesting to attack everyone who disagrees with us, I really think we should :
- Learn to calm down
- Stop considering the people we disagree with are automatically evil or hypocritical people who try to push their own agenda. In other words, Jack Thompson and Lyndon LaRouche are the exception, not the rule.
- Express our disagreements by emailing them directly, even if we don't get a response.
@Mr. B
Others have kind of gotten at this, but I have to jump in as well. That is simply not an appropriate way to react to this situation. You're talking about trying to browbeat someone into changing their mind, or possibly just taking out anger over the fact that she disagrees with you, and you've suggested going at her through her son. I'm sure Matt Damon can take care of himself, that's not the point; that completely crosses the line. That is not only inappropriate, it won't be effective. Even if she changed her mind publicly to make it stop, she would become a staunch enemy of gamers as a result, as would other people; and they would be right to. I understand you may be thinking of this as economic pressure-voting with your wallet/bad publicity-but it is more than that. If she was in a movie, and you wanted to boycott that, I'd understand, whether I agreed or not, but she isn't; you're talking about getting at her by attacking her son's career, livelihood, and life. No. Absolutely not. If someone went after my son to make a point, I would never forgive them, ever. Her opinions and her family have nothing to do with each other, and you cannot tie the two together; that's just wrong. Disrespect is not the solution; that just makes us all (gamers) look more immature and reinforce every negative stereotype there is about us. This is precisely why I was split over the Cooper Lawrence thing; she may have deserved it, it may have had some poetic justice, but retribution is always, always the easy reaction when wronged. And it is never the one that fixes the original problem.
Sorry for ranting, just got a little carried away.
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I don't see why interviewers don't have the balls to point out holes in the integrity of their interviewees as much as they do on Hardball.

And doesn't seem fair that her son gets an easy pass while she criticizes the rest of the movie and game industry. Stupid family ties, overwhelming the logic...
I'll be the first one to say that I got kinda carried awayed yesterday. I admit geting at her through her son is not exactly a great idea. But there is a reason I say such things, it's because I can't stand how one-sided these battles (the media attacking games constantly) can get.

What upsets me is that we (the gamers) have so much economic power and don't know how to focus said economic power to even out the playing field a bit. Let me make this quite clear, I am not anti-free speech. That woman has the right to say what she wants. The only reason I try to use our economic power is to force the corpations to have an equal opposing voice to debate people like her. Its only meant to destroy bias, not free speech.

For example; I wouldn't get upset if Jack Thompson is on TV talking about video games if he was up against someone like Hal Halpin, Adam Sessler or N'Gai Croal. But I would get pissed off if there was no opposing voice against him on TV. We need to remember that big media corpations are really not interested in letting gamers have any voice on any game issues. Theres a reason that Jack Thompson is on TV one hundred times more than Hal Halpin is.

Please try to ignore my rants sometimes. I can be such a hothead about things sometimes.
@Mr. B
To be fair, I think I at least got a bit heated in replying to you, so my apologies. I can sympathize, and agree, with where you're coming from. I just don't want us to go too far in our fight...and make more enemies.
@Mr. B

I was a bit heated to, and though I didn't change my mind about your initial suggestion, I'm glad that you calmed down, and I understand your reasons. However, the picture is larger than you may think.

When you say "theres a reason that Jack Thompson is on TV one hundred times more than Hal Halpin is", you're totally right, but Hal Halpin already explained this reason : during all these years, the game industry ignored Thompson, and hoped he would vanish. But instead, they let him be a regular guest and nationally famous "culture warrior", and as Halpin already said, this was the biggest mistake they've ever done. And I see another reason : where does Jack Thompson appear most ? Fox News. Expecting them to invite Hal Halpin at least as much as Jack Thompson is like expecting them to be "fair and balanced" on any other subject. See what I mean ? The reason why Fox News invites Jack Thompson is because it's Fox News, and you can hardly do anything about that, unfortunately.
[...] Analyzing the NPD’s report, the percentage of individuals who play video games actually improved from 64 percent the year before. The fact that the percentage is even at that level is comforting for me, even as video games continue to be chastised as a valid entertainment medium. [...]

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Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm
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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:36am
Austin_Lewis: Or, maybe he or someone else at the base ordered the SS190 from FN Herstal.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:32am
Austin_Lewis: the hands of private owners. They run about 300 dollars minimum for a box of 50, and boxes of AP 5.7 are extremely scarce, mainly residing in the hands of Class III stores or individuals who for one reason or another got a demo box of it.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:30am
Austin_Lewis: There are other firearms that fire the 5.7. However, I too would like to know where he got the ammo and what kind was used. Maybe Hasan, planning not to live through this, went out and bought one the boxes of SS190 that are floating around in
Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
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