Scary Words: Boston Mayor Wants to Lay Down the (Video Game) Law

Scary Words: Boston Mayor Wants to Lay Down the (Video Game) Law

April 5, 2008
Boston news radio station WBZ-1030 has a disturbing interview with Mayor Thomas Menino (left) conducted by on-air personality Laurie Kirby (GP: I can't refer to her as a "reporter" based on the softballs she's tossing to Menino here).

The interview took place on March 17th on the eve of the Massachusetts Legislature's consideration of HB1423. The measure, a video game bill based on the Jack Thompson-authored Louisiana legislation which failed so miserably in federal court in 2006 (see: Judge Trashes Louisiana Government Over Failed Jack Thompson Law, Orders State to Pay Legal Fees), would seek to classify violent video games as "harmful to minors" in the same legal sense as pornography.

Here's the text of the interview (as transcribed by GP). Note that Menino speaks of the proposed law as a "ban" throughout the interview and, amazingly, expresses a desire to enforce a lifestyle change on game players.

He also seems to be bothered by the image of kids playing handheld systems, as he references it at several different points in the interview:

Mayor Menino: ...these video games and violence. And uh, ya know, kids - they play with them, they see them on TV all the times. You know, we gotta take some measures to restrict access to this violence. And everybody's well, the First Amendment, uh, you can't do it because this.

We always can't do something. My measure, let's do something to restrict young people from glorify- from being glorified with this violence. As I look at this, I watch little kids out there with these little video games. There's shootings, there's killings and all that. We've got to do something. Everybody says we can't. I'm saying we can and let's start now. Because there's too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening.

And so, as Mayor, I just want to put something out there, and let's have a discussion about this. Everybody has a responsibility. I'm taking some of that responsibility, I know it's controversial. But you gotta do something about banning the violence that young people are accustomed to today. And it's a tough battle because they say, it's a First Amendment. But we also have... rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that's what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds.

Announcer: Well it's interesting, because they are bringing up the First Amendment issue here, but what about pornography? I mean there are some - obviously, minors can't buy pornography, so it's not as if there aren't some restrictions  already in place.

Menino: That's right. They put pornography in the back of a room or someplace. Kids can't buy it readily. But you can buy those video games right off the counter without showing any identification at all. And that's part of our efforts is to try to restrict the access to these video games.

Announcer: So... what are you going to do, exactly here, and what woud the language be? You would ask for all Boston stores...?

Menino: Well I have a piece of legislation that will be heard up in the legislature tomorrow. My staff will be testifying on the ban and asking the legislature to put restrictions on the availability of these games and other activities that may enhance a young person's ability to see these, uh, this violence and put it in their hands with the little video games they have there's violence always happening. And it has to be restricted. I mean it's just another way of saying, hey, we all have a responsibility and the video game industry also has a responsibility.

Announcer: Okay, so you would ban the outright sale of any kind of violent video game to what - anybody under the age of 17, or what?

Menino:  18. I'd restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.

Announcer: So the store could still sell them, you're just trying to protect the kids.

Menino: That's right. I mean, you start early on. Kids start at 5, 6, 7 years old watching those video games. They think it's a way of life and I'm trying to make them understand there's a different way of life (emphasis GP's) and, uh, as you go about your daily chores, you'll see these kids with the video games in their hands. They'll see it on the TV, see it everyplace you go, there's violence that's out there. If you watched one of our major sporting events last year, every video that was on there, every advertisement had violence in it. Our life is full of violence.

Announcer: You're absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn't card a kid and sold a kid a game?

Menino: We haven't determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we're looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games.

Original WBZ audio here: (you'll need to scroll down a bit for the March 17th interview).

Comments

Menino: We haven’t determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we’re looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games.

I see Menino's taken some lessons from the ironic punishment division.

Mayor Menino usually tries to look for the quick fix. It's nothing new. I don't expect the legislation to stick.

As for how he speaks: he sounds like one of the people. Really. Especially around the area. I've known quite a few with similar speaking mannerisms along with the unmistakable Bostonian accent. That's how he got voted, and that's how he'll continue to get votes... until gang violence runs him out of town... or kills him.
y'know, I played ultimate mortal kombat 3 on the snes when I was 10 years old, max payne when I was 12, and manhunt when I was 15.

I'm still a normal human being, and I don't come off as a crackpot who's trying to do fatalities on people while doing a daily school shooting for the kicks.

my entire point boils down to:

1) I'm glad I'm canadian
and 2) I pity you US citizens. because someday a religious crackpot will start banning fun in your country...
@ TheMonkey

The only violent handheld game I can think of is Brothers in Arms(DS). It's rated T, making it one of the most violent games on the system.
Was she giving him a blowjob during the interview? It would explain both the softball questions AND the mayor's frequent stuttering.
@illspirit
I said I'll never understand "Americans" for the reasons I stated. I did not mention Menino in specific at all.

And besides, getting rid of guns would be a good thing. Obviously that does not relate to games. Stupid people with stupid ideas can still have some good ones.

The unfortunate truth is that MANY Americans, politicians in particular, are blaming games for violence rather than the fact that guns are EVERYWHERE.

Hell, look a day back at the "God of War blamed for Shooting" story. That says it all really.

Never mind how the 13 year old got a loaded gun and fired it, nevermind that because he was playing God of War. Clearly that's the issue. Not the loaded gun he fired or anything.

@Nordic
Yeah, I'm Canadian too. This absolutely boggles my mind.
"But we also have… rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that’s what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds."


And a video game encoded onto an inanimate disc threatens your safety how?
Heh good luck to Menino. I highly doubt he will get any further than JT did. At this point, I feel they are really digging for a loop hole in the whole system that would finally give them what they want (since there are usually loopholes somewhere in the legal system). Maybe the banning of JT will get some ppl to finally STFU. I will personally be celebrating this ban by getting a cake and getting "Good Bye JT" written on it.

Just remember, its not the guns, prositutes, drugs and gangs....its the video games.
"Because there’s too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening...."
Get this man some index cards with talking points on em, he's drowning.

@Pinworm
The only person blaming God of War for the shooting is Thompson, who as this site's vistors know, will try to turn everything into a lawsuit. Look, as someone who lives in a violent city, I can safely say what's the blame for the shootings aren't legal guns, but those available on the blackmarket (which will still be open even after a nationwide ban).
@ Pinworm

Grats on your epic fail!!

"I don’t understand Americans. They have a ridiculous ammount of guns floating around their country, so they decide to blame Video Games for causing violence.

What the fuck. Just what the fuck. "

I was thinking... no WAY can someone out-fail this mayor in such short order.. but wow..

If you are truly implying that guns cause violence, you're even more mistaken than Memino or JT could ever even hope to be.
I wish I had a snappy quote for this stupidity, but I don't. All I can do is shake my head sometimes.
boy, they sure threw him some hard questions....(/sarcasm)
We all know not getting carded is a lie. And he needs to work on his speaking skills. He says uh and um too much.
I'm not sure his problem is speaking skills so much as simply knowing what he's talking about.
"Announcer: You’re absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn’t card a kid and sold a kid a game?"

And the media strike again. I love the high standard of impartiality in the way the media reports these issues(/sarcasm)

What ever happened to journalistic responsibility? What happened to facts?
What happened to politicians being challenged to insure they are acting in the best interest of society and not just jumping on a band waggon?
Hatred has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses. Hatred and fear of things they don't understand and don't WANT to understand.

Just as a side point. children playing handhelds? Violence everywhere because of them? erm the VAST majority of games on handheld systems is not violent. I'm struggling to think of a single title.
You know, after all the recent dumping on the UK and violence in videogames, it's good to see the reliable bible-thumping American politicans and their stereotypes thrust back into the limelight in style.

Balance is restored my yankee amigos.
I can just imagine this guy talking with a Yosemite Sam voice....

GP: if you listen to the audio, he is surprisingly inarticulate for a major city mayor...
All the hapiness I felt with the Stephen King note, is gone...
"Menino: 18. I’d restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.

Announcer: So the store could still sell them, you’re just trying to protect the kids.

Menino: That’s right. I mean, you start early on. Kids start at 5, 6, 7 years old watching those video games. They think it’s a way of life and I’m trying to make them understand there’s a different way of life (emphasis GP’s) and, uh, as you go about your daily chores, you’ll see these kids with the video games in their hands. They’ll see it on the TV, see it everyplace you go, there’s violence that’s out there. If you watched one of our major sporting events last year, every video that was on there, every advertisement had violence in it. Our life is full of violence.

Announcer: You’re absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn’t card a kid and sold a kid a game?"

How much do you think he was paying to get buddied like that?
With all his studdering, I doubt he put any REAL thought into anything he said. Stephen King I agree with. Video games are a scapgoat. The "video games make murders" is total garbage. I'm 16. Been playing games sence I was 3 or 4 years old, many are M rated. Why am I not killing anyone? How come we dont have a big gamer crime epidimic?
Announcer: Okay, so you would ban the ouright sale of any kind of violent video game to what - anybody under the age of 17, or what?

Menino: 18. I’d restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18.


Ok so the way Menino just worded that statement is that you have to be 18 to buy any video game. That must mean that all video games are violent or harmful to children. I mean look at Wii sports. Kids will play the bowling game and maybe by the motion and action of the controller they will learn how to kill someone with the bowling ball. Maybe someday some kids are playing the baseball game and then picks up a real baseball bat and kills some one. Video games are the cause they will say. Wow the criminal acts of the game industry. And of course we all know that ever game out there has pornography in it. I mean I remember playing some Mario galaxy and in it Mario and the Princess peach have sex. Very detailed graphics that showed everything.

But seriously if we ban kids from buying or playing these games will it really prevent violence in the future. What about the kids that are victims of idiot parents. And the children who are victims of physical, sexual or mental abuse by there parents or other adults. We live in a world that is so full of violence and hate. But we all know the sole cause for all the violence and hate in the world is these kids playing video games. Cut out the video games and the world is saved.
Does this guy sound like that when he gives a more practiced speech? If so, he must have won the election on the basis of a collection of banal homilies, and an average voting age of 74.

I love how elected officials' method of opening a discussion is to propose legislation that overreaches their authority. Then they invite video game advocates to come explain why they shouldn't be flayed and lynched for opposing a ban that the lawmakers know would certainly end all teen violence, because their ad nauseum syllogism of, "teens play games with violent content; teens occasionally do violence; separating teens from games will cure violence", can't possibly be flawed.

Watch the news segment covering this that's above the audio segment. The reporter seems to be fawning, and I don't have to stretch my imagination too far to see her calling this, "the mayor's noble struggle".
@GP

I see what you mean about his ability to communicate, seems to me he thinks banning Video Games is 'good' and Violence is 'Bad' and doesn't really seem to understand much more of the issue beyond that point, he uses the words 'Violent', 'Teen' and 'Video Games' without really making any attempt to link the two... 'Teens are Violent, Teens play Video Games, ergo, Video Games cause Teen Violence....'
[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptBoston news radio station WBZ-1030 has an interview with Mayor Thomas Menino (left) conducted by on-air personality Laurie Kirby (GP: I can’t refer to her as a “reporter” based on the softballs she’s tossing to Menino here). The interview took place on March 17th on the eve of the Massachusett’s Legislature’s consideration of HB1423. The measure, a video game bill based on the Jack Thompson-authored Louisiana legislation which failed so miserably in federal court in 2006 (see: Judge Trashes Louisiana Government Over Failed Jack Thompson Law, Orders State to Pay Legal Fees), would seek to classify violent video games as “harmful to minors” in the same legal sense as pornography. Here’s the text of the interview (as transribed by GP). Note that Menino speaks of the proposed law as a “ban” throughout the interview and expresses a desire to enforce a lifestyle change on game players. He also seems to be bothered by the image of kids playing […] [...]
If anything, Mumbles Menino needs to provide more funding to english and speech classes. I know my public speaking teacher would have tore him a new one if she had to sit through that garbled mess.

Speaking of legislation though, are these politicos really that wrapped up in their self-serving image that they can't realize they're trampling on the First Amendment? You'd think after so many failed attempts across the country, that the sponsor (not the State, City, etc.) should have to pay for the failed bill (attorney's fees and all). That's the only way to get these ambulance chasers to stop. Hit them (not the taxpayers) in the wallet.
I dare say Menino is now whinier in my book than Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. Of course, half of Chicago isn't an absolute craphole like half of Boston is, so I'm not sure what to think.

Oh well, can't wait to see this go down in flames like his attempt to have the police seize all 'Stop Snitchin'" shirts.
Why politicians make complete lies such as youth crime rights going up? Last time I checked,it's the other way around. Something new comes around and youth crimes going down, so lets ban it and say it causes crime.

Why Politicians think that are going somewhere with this bandwagon. I think it hurts there reputation since there are enforcing something that is struck down as unconstitutional.
He comes across sounding like Rain Man.

Not surprised; this IS the same guy who got the head of Cartoon Network ousted because his police force thought a Lite-Brite was a bomb.
We haven’t determined what the violence would be


Wow. So we will be having street judgments going on in Boston. ;)

He sure is difficult to follow. I wonder if the interviewer understood any of that.
people thought banning alcohol would end crime, and instead there was a massive increase in crime.
Ugh... I'm embarrassed to be from MA...
To Zeke129 Says:

It´s the most likely scenario... hope she gets herpes :lol
First, of all the Mayor of Boston could just be a person that studders a lot. This is what some people do, and they're perfectly normal people. Second, everyone makes pauses, and make these little chunks of uhs and ohs, just to signal that they still have the floor. It is more common in person who studders, though, I think.

Third, and perhaps most disturbing is the fact? that the -ehm- reporter? does not seem to know that any major retail chain in the US will card a child if he or she wishes to buy a Mature rated game. That i is just very bad research...on so many levels...

I could understand it if the Mayor wanted to make it illegal for stores to sell Mature rated games to people under 17 and younger. Instead he wants to make a city law? or ordinance? that makes it illegal to buy every videogame out there if you're 18 years or older. I find this a bit harsh especially since games for the Nintendo DS really isn't (that) violent at all.
Most games for the Nintendo DS are educational, fun and challenging; of course there's a Zelda game as well as there ate Spyro games for the PS2.

I liked how Stephen King pointed out the illogical things about a 17 year old being able to see a much more violencet movie like Postal or Hostel than any videogame outthere. In fact, he might also be worried that one day his books or any books might the same treatment - or why not just forbid books all together since they teach people how to think for themselves. Oh wait - Ray Bradbury wrote a book about this --- at what temperature do DVDs burn, do you think??

Not saying that we will end up there, but we might, if we're not very being carefull and cacautious...about the state, both federal and local, meddling in what the parents decide is OK for their children to watch, see, play - or yes, read...
...I saw his picture there, and first thing I thought was, "Is his head going to explode?" I even asked my sis, and she agrees, it looks like his head is literally going to burst.
Question?

Ok, say this goes through in any state in the US. Now when the violence continues, exactly what are they going to blame then? I still can't believe people are so gullible to actually fall for this. No one to this day has explained how we had just as much violence before the arrival of video games as we do now.

RJ
Your emphasis was well-placed, GP.

Manino truly didn't put ANY effort into what he said. 'Yeh, thur bad. Everybody's playin' 'em gotta stop. I'm cool. Vote fer me, fer tha kids.' That was pretty much the gist of what he said.

Seriously, he put more effort into his Red Sox spots than this.
Menino: We haven’t determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we’re looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games.

Jesus talk about a Freudian slip. hes got violence on the brain!
So is this law number 11 to be shot down. :P
Sammy look up the Puritons it was already done. :P
I don't understand Americans. They have a ridiculous ammount of guns floating around their country, so they decide to blame Video Games for causing violence.

What the fuck. Just what the fuck.
@ Pinworm

I'm Canadian, and I have to agree with you.

*shakes head in disgust*
"Announcer: You’re absolutely right. Now what would the penalty be for a store that didn’t card a kid and sold a kid a game?"

Not biased at all... :/
So, uh, what's this, um, "other way of life" that he, yknow, mentions?

Does it start with an R and end with a good firm brainwashing?
Is there any chance this "reporter" works for Murdoch? Who wants to bet?
Looks like the mayor is a little worried about getting re-elected; the moral crusader facade works great with the uninformed.

@GP How long until we hear about this bill's miserable failure?
This wasn't an interview, this was an ass-kissing.
How many violent videogames like Liberty City Stories and the like will you find on the DS? I'd worry less about the handheld industry and more about the classification of videogames as pornography, thank you.

And on that note, anyone who says that a game like Twilight Princess or Halo has no redeeming "artistic" value has gone off his rocker. Coding a game is hard, coding a VIDEOGAME is even harder, and i think that game developers and producers are as much artists and Burgmueller and Frida Khalo ever were.
meant to say "as Burgmueller and Frida Khalo" back there. Sorry.
Given that the man's from Boston, it sounds like he needs to stop sippin' the Samuel Adams so much... I know I'm not the only one who heard that slight slurring in his speech there. Boston sure elected themselves a real winner here... for the children, indeed...

I swear, this man makes G.W. Bush sound like a AAA-movie star.

>_>
Even though we wail about how much the older generation is being so adamant against videogames, I can't help but fear that we too will someday be wailing about violent virtual-reality media a la Ghost in the Shell.

God forbid we ever become hypocrites.
Violence was around before video games came out. **Shakes Head**
wow, I just listened to the Audio, he sounds smashed...
It seriously took some effort to get past that first bit. Gah.

"But we also have… rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that’s what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds."

Seriously. It's like namedropping to attempt to prove that you're "in the know, one of the guys." Part of the Safety Blanket.
@Pinworm

Umm, Moonite Menino here hates guns just as much as video games. So much so that he had plans to send police around to do illegal, citywide door-to-door searches for guns. But, hey, don't let facts get in the way of a your wide brush. :p

Anyhow, someone should really show this chart to the Mayor before he mumbles about games causing violence to go up again..
So this idiot would ban sales of E rated games to kids under 18? Yet another one of America's assholes using games as a scapegoat.
I have no idea I managed to not become a killer since I trained with the Nintendo Light Gun when I was only 6 years old. Leading ducks as I shot them sure trained me to be a killer.
"we haven't determined what the violence would be" aaaaaand
--que godwin's law--
Maybe some clubbings, kickings, break the store windows a little? I dunno. We're not sure how much violence there will be.
ok, lemme just make a few statements before it gets busy around here again.

1. Merino or whatever his name is, He's a freaking idiot. End of story on that one.

2. Ther reporter is a hack and clearly has a disabling bias.

3. For you anti gun people, I live in Arizona, which has Legal concelled weapons. Guess what? Crime went DOWN when those laws went into affect allowing people to be armed. Why? Cause crooks didn't wanna screw with people that might be armed.

Guns, games, and media violence aren't the problem. Poverty, society, and government are.
Just listened to the audio

does he ever move his F***ing lips? god it sounds like he just injected himself in the front of his mouth with 100cc's of novacain
Hi everyone. Sorry for posting this here, it doesn't deal directly with the interview with Mayor Thomas Menino.

I'm not an US citizen, so there may be some cultural differences that I'm unaware of and that make this question stupid, but here goes: Would it really be so bad if some games were available only to people 18 and up? I don't believe games cause violence anymore than you guys do. I've blown up my fair share of heads in Counter-Strike and I still haven't killed anyone in real life.

I also believe that the responsibility of keeping nasty stuff from kids should belong to the parents, not the law. On the other hand, there is a rating system for movies and certain movies can not be seen by under 18's (if that system works or not, is another question). Maybe making sure that kids can't get to some violent games would be a good thing...

Just my 2 cents, and I'd like to hear from you guys about my opinion :)
The issue isn't whether kids should be allowed to play violent games. The issue is that it isn't the government's decision to make.
The movie theaters all self-regulate, Zavatar, (at least in the US). There is no law that says kids cannot see R rated movies.
When the cowboy bebop movie came out, I as some thirteen if even. I walked up to the walmart Register, the guy there has a huge sign hanging over him that says "No DVD purchases rated R to minors under 17 wihtout ID or parent. He sold it to me with Faye all half naked on the cover and pointing a gun. I see the same thing all the time still.

As a kid I was praised for reading things like The Dead Zone with violent depictions of rape nya, for being so adult.

Now I play Video games and I'm acting childish, or just being a teenager? Never mind that I don't like the majority of Violent games, and can only really take DOA, and Resident Evil for their unrealism and complete lack of characters to indentify with.
Not to double post but didn't one of the founding fathers say that it would be a sad day for democracy when we trade Freedom for Safety?
@ Zavatar
I noticed you mentioned: "On the other hand, there is a rating system for movies and certain movies can not be seen by under 18’s (if that system works or not, is another question)."

And while yes people under 17 are usually not admitted to Rated R movies, there is not law against it. As long as a parent or guardian is accompanying the minor they are allowed in, I don't see why games should be any different. Nothing is stopping the parents from sitting down with their kids and watching what they play, and if they find the game to be in bad taste explain to the child why they don't want them playing those types of games. Its not hard.

and as for an 18+ law, it is ridiculous. A 17 year old can enlist in the army and that kid will have become a well trained killing machine long before he would be able to buy a video game. doesn't make much sense to me.
sorry for double post

@illspirit

No matter how many times we parade that graph, and the one Brenda Brathwaite would show when I was in her class, I don't think it will ever get through the think skulls of politicians. We might as well hand them a blank piece of paper cause they, don't want to see the truth.
Aidinthel: really? I did not know that. Over here (Portugal) if a movie is rated 18+ you have to show some ID to even buy a ticket, much less actually get in to see the movie.
I appreciate your position that "it isn’t the government’s decision to make". More responsibility should be placed on the parents. In a related matter, is there any parent organization that lobbies for this kind of ban? I only seem to see politicians doing it. It would be more credible if parents were involved.

catboy_j: was that store policy or is it something mandated by law? If it was policy maybe the guy just didn't care, but if it was law, maybe the answer lies in enforcing that law, not making new ones.
"Our life is full of violence."

Captain Obvious quote of the day.
"I'm trying to make them understand there's a different way of life."

Menino is trying to do that through legislation! Does that sound totalitarian dictatorship-like to anyone else?
Meh. This is the same guy who thinks Lite Brite is an explosive device and PSP games feature rape. I could only imagine what other fantasies this guy has in his world.

I take it his "different way of life" entails hiding under the bed in constant fear of everything?
If games were banned from people under 18 then it would be like every violent game was AO rated. Then stores will not sell M rated games and only E rated games would be allowed.
What I wonder is if these people are even aware that every major retailer will not sell M rated games to minors.
Menino is obviously a retard.


And so, as Mayor, I just want to put something out there, and let’s have a discussion about this. Everybody has a responsibility. I’m taking some of that responsibility, I know it’s controversial. But you gotta do something about banning the violence that young people are accustomed to today. And it’s a tough battle because they say, it’s a First Amendment. But we also have… rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world. And that’s what my discussion will be about - is about safety in our homes, safety in our streets, safety in our worlds.

alright then mayor, show me. show me where on the constitution it says you have a right to a safe world.
@Zerodash

come on now, just because it is a Retailers Company Policy doesn't mean kids can't get their hands on it. You can't play stupid, let the other side play that role.
@ DCOW,

A better argument is, so you want to live in a safe world and it's bad to use simulated violence...explain to me how a kid can turn on any news station and see real life violence coming from the war in Iraq, Middle East, Israel, Palestine, etc and how that is OK. Explain to me how a kid can live in a household more violent than any game could possibly be because the pain and the abuse is real. Explain to me how a kid can live somewhere where shootings and robberies and murders happen daily and how that is OK. And using a recent story, how about the 3-4 Boston guys who brutally beat a Yankees fan outside of a bar? Explain to me how banning violent video game sales to minors will stop all of that and allow us to live in your Utopian society.
@Strªng?r_Dªng?r

There's always going to be a way. Even if they banned sales, minors could (and would) buy a mod chip or swap disc, and download the game, burn it, and play it that way. Or have an older sibling or parent buy it. Banning sales wouldn't accomplish jack because when you tell someone no, it makes them want it even more.
Yet again, I file a tired old reply, because the Politicians makes the tired old statements, are video games really the cause of violence on the streets? I ask you seriously what percentage of criminals where motivated by computer games? come on, the figure has to be somewhere around the 0% percent mark, if you asked anyone with half a brain they would tell you that poverty is a bigger cause of crime.

Politicians, please for the sake of trying to look respectable, stop going after the no issue which is video game violence, and attempt to tackle something which is actually an issue.
@Matt
I can't tell if you are backing me up or if you though I was for banning games, which I am clearly not...
@ Pinworm

Blaming any weapon for violence is irrational. The weapon doesn't influence a person to commit a violent crime, but merely influences the manner in which they commit that crime. To use an argument we often use here, social problems are the real cause of violence. Poverty, ghettos, poor parenting, ect, are the real causes of violence (all of which is in a far to significant supply in America). If guns were completely gone, then we'd simply have a shit ton of crimes committed with knives. A weapon is unbiased in its usage.

As for the article, the mayor's an idiot who tries to pander towards the idiots of society (again, far too many of them). Luckily the courts are in place to stop these kinds of actions.
This is the kind of interview I'd kill to see on an episode of "Penn & Teller's Bullshit!" about video game controversy. It would naturally start with Penn Jillette saying "And then there's THIS asshole!"
Yet another out-of-touch fool scapegoating gamers. Who really thinks that Violent videogames are the main cause of teen violence. Newflash: Teens are violent because of hormones and general lack of maturity, not because of playing games.
I've gotten "carded" and had to show my ID every time I've purchased an M rated game at Wal-Mart or Best Buy. As much as these idiots don't want to believe it, 10 year old kids cannot just walk into Wal-Mart and pick up GTA or whatever. And The 18+ proposal is just fucking stupid. How would the film industry react if there was a law that only adults were allowed to go and see any movie in theaters or buy DVDs? The current system works as long as parents know what their kids are playing.
I'm starting a sort of semi-campaign to make the mayor realise what he's really talking about.

If you want to join the cause, go to this site:

http://www.cityofboston.gov/contact/default.asp?ID=55

from here you can contact the mayors office, It's not much but if there are enough of us he can't ignore it!
@ Zerodash

Remember that? The [adult swim] Lite Brite things? I cracked up when I read that report.

Anyway, I heartily agree with you. If the older generations took time to get to know the younger generations and see life through our eyes, they'd probably be more sympathetic towards us.

Blaming violent videogames is a safe scapegoat. You can't prove through science that it WASN'T videogames, but then again, you can't prove that it WAS. Thus, it's moot point; people just continue to fail to realize that.

Going back to Zerodash's comment: It would have been funnier (maybe) if the Lite Brites had had the Laughing Man from G.I.T.S. on them instead of a Moonanite.
I stopped after the no IDs comment.
If this ever happens, and the nation goes along with it, I believe it will open up the gates to real mature games. I hate to say it, but after they do this, I can see video games getting a whole lot more violent, drug related, and sexual oriented. And the sad part is, teens will still be able to play these games. This will stop nothing. Do they know how easy it is for a teen to get their hands on porn now of days? I say let them do it, and when crime starts to rise, we can say, told you so.
I just sent this to the mayor's office:


Is it possible for us to chalk this issue up to a misunderstanding?

I suppose not, since, according to your interview, video games are the equivalent of pornography and are therefore a scourge of society that must be regulated and, if necessary, eliminated.

Since this view is obviously pleasing to only one side of this debate (the exact opposite of compromise, wouldn't you agree?), I submit to you a two-part proposition, one that I think will, for the time being, alleviate the current pressure that you are no doubt receiving from the online community (and gamers, as well)...

1) Get to know your foe (and make him your friend)

During your interview, you stated that you wanted to try to "make [video gamers] understand that there's a different way of life."
I don't condemn your efforts to help. Indeed, there are most likely some of us who need a reality check quite badly. However, to label an entire sub-culture is a bit foolhardy, is it not? Though you referenced "5, 6, 7 [year olds]" in this statement, it was taken as a slap to the face by the gaming community. This is not a good start to diplomacy, is it?

Instead of trying to change our way of life to suit yours, why not try changing your outlook on our life to better suit ours? Not permanently, but all the same, it's worth a shot, isn't it?

Far too little conclusive evidence has come from research to label violent video games as the sole cause of rising violence among the younger generation. Until either side of this debate can positively, and without any shred of doubt, prove that violent video games are/are not the SOLE cause of rising violence among today's youth, then one should not maintain an attitude about video games as you displayed during your interview.

That is not to say that you are at fault here. Far from it. You just lack the experience that one gains when placing himself in the life of a normal American gamer for awhile.

Which brings me back to my point: why not try getting to know our community better before trying to change our "way of life."

If you decide to do so, then I applaud you. You have taken the first step (among many, I assure you) in creating a world where anti-video gamers and video gamers can live without conflict. To get to know our community better, set up annual or semi-annual meetings with Boston's youth representatives. Take them seriously, as they know better than any of us what ails our society. Ask them to explain, among other things, why they get enjoyment from playing video games. Ask how many of them play specific violent video games, specifically those on handheld devices (PSP, Nintendo DS). By displaying an interest in getting to know your "opponents" better, you show that you are willing to compromise, and that you truly care about what your ENTIRE community thinks, not just what the voting public thinks.

2) Engage your "opponents" in the bill-writing process (i.e. compromise with your foe, make him your friend)

The gaming community is distressed by your actions in passing a new bill labeling video games as equivalent to pornography. This is wholly inaccurate and if you follow step 1 of this proposal, you will see why.

The gaming community is not opposed to compromise, however. I'm sure that if you engaged the video gamers of Boston in the bill-writing process, to the point of co-authoring a new bill with representatives from Boston's gaming community, you will be able to resolve this debate with both sides coming out strong. Despite our current "ways of life," we know much more about politics than many in Congress and in state governments give us credit for. We would be most excited if you were to ask us to co-author a new age-restriction law with you.

I think that you will agree that while video games are not the SOLE cause of rising violence in the United States (nay, they are most likely NOT a cause of violence at all), changes are necessary if we are to resolve this debate. Engage your community in friendly, semi-annual talks about what they think needs to be done in order to make positive changes in Boston, and allow them to co-author a bill with you. I assure you that if you consider my two-step proposal, you will find a solution to this debate.

Thank you for your time.


Good God, I hope I didn't just open up a can of worms...
Actually, I haven't sent it yet. But if anyone wants to make revisions to it (or offer suggestions), I would greatly appreciate it!
What gets me is the 'We are exposed to violence all the time' attitude of this man, especially considering that a massive percentage of that violence involves a war that was instigated and funded by the same government that is trying to 'protect the children'.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you've got little choice but to see the hypocrisy in this guys' statements., they have 'kill the terrorists (armed with lite-brites)' being droned in one ear and 'Violence is Evil!' being droned in the other. No wonder there's a lot of confused young people in the US...
He did a bad job explaining his positions. His thoughts felt very disorganized and he didn't put much effort in trying to make his thoughts clear. The sluring of the speech did not help and the fact that he didn't use examples makes his speech sound more 2 am ramblings while drunk. The interviewie also asked some bad questions and didn't really question anything he said. It felt like he might as well answered questions on a paper and have hear read the answers.
@Pinworm

Umm, what are you talking about? 9 out of 10 anti-game politicians in the US are anti-gun. Probably about two thirds want to ban games as part of their ongoing campaign to demonize guns. The basic idea is if they can limit the channels by which people can become familiar with guns, they can control the message. Just as they've been trying to do for decades with toy guns before there were video games.

The God of War story says nothing. Jack, list many other elitist political hacks, supports gun control so long as he can keep his gun..

But yea, if you think getting rid of the eeeevil guns is such a great idea, I'm not going to bother hijacking the topic to argue more, just come and take them. ^_^
"We haven’t determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be, but we’re looking at some serious, serious restriction on the sale of these video games."

So violence is bad. Except when the government is inflicting it on you, for your own good.
I'll say it again. A poorly worded, terribly subjective law like this cannot possibly come to pass. And even if it does, its gonna get appealed, prevented from getting enforced, its gonna fail.

I feel this more so, seeing how Menino just sounds like a total goob in this interview.
Honestly how the heck did Menino get voted into office?

He sounds like he ate glass covered with tar...and that he seems less intelligent than a mentally retarded baboon...

Honestly if and when this bill gets shot down he would waste so much of the taxpayer money i hope he gets voted out...and get then get some speech lessons..
@catboy_j

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
~Ben Franklin
Sorry for double post...

Just to point out violence in handhelds, there's a few PSP games out there that would be considered violent... GTA games made their way there as well as God of War. Those are just the ones off the top of my head, as I'm sure there are more games out there with violence in a handheld environment.

And as for the picture of Mumbles... it looks like the face one would make when dealing with a wedgie... or hemorrhoids... or both.
May I just say that there has been lots of violence in the world LONG BEFORE the age of Videogames....
He said violence so many times it makes me want to hit someone in the face.
"18. I’d restrict the sale of video games to anyone under the age of 18."

i think im becoming desensitized to stupid people because of too much exposure to them.
He still accepts no responsibility for the Mooninite incident. The man is a joke.
please explain to me how some of the most violent people in history, the mafia, were made to be violent with video games then.

I mean looking back at the 60s, this stuff was major. All casued by videogames? wow then time travel is possible because vidya games werent around then!
This guy is just as big a lier as Jack Thompson. I wonder if they were roommates in college together
@ DocRobert

"And The 18+ proposal is just fucking stupid. How would the film industry react if there was a law that only adults were allowed to go and see any movie in theaters or buy DVDs?"

Probably the same way they reacted when the same thing was passed in the UK. They sat down, shut up and got on with it. The movie industry seems to have a lot of political influence in the United States, but then again Ive never really understood your whole 'lobbying' system, over here we call that bribery.
"And it’s a tough battle because they say, it’s a First Amendment. But we also have… rights in America to have a safe neighborhoods, safe streets, and safe world."

Yep. I remember that amendment in the Constitution. I believe its Amendment number 67, the RIGHT TO SAFETY. Wait. There is no such thing?

Sorry, but I feel its very important to note that you don't necessarily have a RIGHT to safety. The government can regulate and set up guidelines for the handling of food as that is a public safety issue. They can make causing physical/financial harm to a person illegal. They can't make it illegal to play/buy a movie/CD/videogame as a safety concern (even IF Amendment #67 did exist). If you did have a RIGHT to safety, the government could be held accountable and sued over bad neighborhoods. Besides, last I checked, they don't arrest you for making life unsafe. The idea of government is to protect the citizens, but that doesn't mean we have a right to safety.

But, if we have a RIGHT to be safe, I'll get the bubble wrap to protect everyone from skinned knees.
Sammy: I pity you US citizens. because someday a religious crackpot will start banning fun in your country…

Ever heard of Jack thompson?
Wow!

I think if anyone could ever encourage me, with horrible verbal communication skills, to start doing live verbal debates.

'Cuz if this guy can be mayor, I think my potential for being World President is assured.

Heck, it probably gives ZIPPY some encouragement.

Wow!

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I just noticed one excerpt that proves this guys ignorance to the fullest extent.


"Everybody says we can’t. I’m saying we can and let’s start now."

does he know why everybody says he can't? because the first amendment says he can't, and it doesn't really matter what he thinks
18? Seriously? Way to try and screw over people like me who can finally by M-rated games without an adult.

But seriously, everyone gets down on video games being sold unchecked to kids. Yet somehow I managed to get into Saw IV and Rambo unchecked, and even though I had pre-ordered, and paid for, Halo 3 I still needed my mom there to show ID in September. Never mind the fact that there's more violence on regular television than most Mature games.

If parents really are concerned with their kids playing violent video games they can block certain ratings. So stop blaming game companies and ESRB and do something about it yourself.
@Canary Wundaboy, "but then again Ive never really understood your whole ‘lobbying’ system, over here we call that bribery. "

Yeah...that's pretty much what we call it over here too, except for some reason its legal. Can't make it illegal because the people who benefit from it, make the laws.

:(
@Canary Wundaboy

We're hardly free from the influence of "lobbying" in the UK. Remember when the Govt prevented all tabocco advertising, apart from on Formula One? Cash for Questions? Cash for Honours, even! I fear the problem is as endemic as it is universal.

May I also say that GP.com is a place for holdaing on forth on many, many topics - but gun control is not one of them (and this is coming from an anti-gun person with an axe to grind).
"We haven’t determined what the violence would be, I mean the penalty would be"
Wow, his subconcious obviously feels the need to resort to violence as a means of penalty. Hypocrisy alert!

I don't understand how he can talk about a "safe world" when the Middle East (read: Iraq) has been bombed and been engaged in war with the US for a long time. I really wouldn't refer to war as safe. Before going after video games, go after the persons who decide to kill whole cities worth of people.
The thing I'm worried about is that "violence" will include any game that includes two objects hitting one another or anything red. Or, in other words, it looks like he's trying to ban video games in general. Now, has anyone ever tried to ban movies and books? Or, for a closer example because they are interactive, did anyone want to ban Choose Your Own Adventure? Would they have if it was illustrated in full color and had blood?
Lets see here, Boston has been really out of touch over the past several years. I think of the ATHF movie advertisements, the issue of the GTA advertisements on the Boston subway system, and now this.

Good move jerks.
Honestly how the heck did Menino get voted into office?

I was talking to a friend who lives in Boston yesterday. Apparently the only reason he's still in office is because nobody runs against him.
it is sad seeing another ignotant person trying to ban games because of violance but this is worse in that it seems like he wants to ban all v-games because the "prevent" people from having a "normal" life T__T
So much for the "video games are just for kids" argument...
Banning video games will put kids out on the street, raise unemployment of teenagers 16-18 and actually raise violence on the streets! If kids are off the streets and inside playing video games, what harms can be done? Who knows how many teenagers could be dead by now because of gangs, drugs, and guns.

Live near any major city and you will see the teen violence. It's insane.
So, cant buy a GTA game....BUT...

Can buy Texas Chainsaw Masscure and Nightmare on Elm Street....since neither are violent...

Can buy Rambo (I, II, III, John Rambo), Predator, Commando, Braveheart, Plattoon, Saving Private Ryan, and even Ronin....since none of those are as violent as video games.

Can buy artwork of Gettysburg, The Boston Massacure and WWII including the Nazi Death Camps....since none of those are violent...

Can buy ad space (aka donating) for the G.O.P. and Mr. McCain to help us fun the war in Iraq for another four years.....since there's no violence in war or Iraq.

Can buy guns, drugs, and even a politican.....since none of those cause violence...

But those video games....are gate way games to more, intensive, dramatic, ultra-realistical sensation of violence.

Frankly, Mr Mayor, Boston has plenty of more problems then spending a dime of MY TAX MONEY on this stupid crap. I dont know, maybe the Big Dig? Helping communities suffering from the recession, or, I know, maybe purchase a 'clue' for you!
I didn't find the interview that inarticulate. Uninformed and garbled, yes. He doesn't know what he's arguing and doesn't seem to care. He's after re-election, and that's it.
@Adam

Wouldn't be surprised if they were.

@Chaplain99

I do not see any need for revision, for it is good as is. Furthermore, if possible, I would like to sign that letter myself.
What wonderful public speaking skills you have there, mumbles. Try actually completing a coherent sentence just once, please.
I'm reminded of a St. Patrick's Breakfast the politicians in Massachusetts have every year... and one in particular a couple years back.

Menino said something to the effect of "And now here's something you don't hear too often: an Italian mayor speaking Irish."

A shout from across the room: "We thought that's what you were speaking, Mayor!"
@Ragnaar

Is that a fact, or a joke? If fact, where'd you hear about it? If a joke, I need to remember that, because that was funny! ROFFLMFAO.
"We always can’t do something."

Uh huh..

The mechanics of Memino's responses are worse than 1337-speak. Maybe it's just me... but I felt like I was falling down the stairs in slow motion as I was reading it.

And then..

"Because there’s too much violence on the streets of America, presently, to uh, that is happening."

IMO..
Domestic Violence and Gang Violence are probably the highest percentage of reports. They are also the least likely to be influenced by video games. Either way, they would be a redundant influence because with or without the video games effect, the violence would still exist.
@ illspirit

"But yea, if you think getting rid of the eeeevil guns is such a great idea, I’m not going to bother hijacking the topic