Arizona Bill Worries Video Game Industry

A piece of legislation under consideration today by the Arizona State Senate has video game industry representatives concerned.

HB 2660, which was passed by a 36-23 vote in the Arizona House of Representatives last month, would make content producers, publishers and distributors liable for monetary damages if any written, audio, visual or digital material from which they profited was judged to have been “dangerous” or obscene and motivated someone to commit a felony or an act of terrorism.

The Arizona Daily Star reports that Keith Perkins, an attorney who runs the victims advocacy group Never Again Foundation, said that those who profit from such material should be held responsible. Perkins wrote the measure, which is sponsored by Republican Warde Nichols (left).

Representatives for content creators, however, say the measure goes too far:

A representative for the Motion Picture Association of America, Wendy Briggs, said House Bill 2660 is overly broad. She said the legislation… could result in lawsuits against people involved in mainstream movies. Briggs, who also represents video game producers, said they, too, could be liable for items she would consider harmless.

Briggs used a flight simulator game as an example:

Should I now be reasonably sure that that’s going to incite somebody to commit an act of terror? What about a movie, or a book, that teaches you how to shoot a gun straight?

The Video Game Voters Network, operated by the Entertainment Software Association, which represents U.S. video game publishers, has issued an alert to members, urging them to contact their elected officials about the bill.

GP: The industry is legitimately concerned about this bill, which would have a chilling effect, certainly on game developers. Who gets to decide, for example, whether content is “dangerous”? What does that mean, exactly? Does violent content make media dangerous? Is Manhunt 2 dangerous? Call of Duty 4? Saving Private Ryan? Beowulf? The Bible?

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    Tia010 says:


    Very nice and useful article.I enjoyed reading this article and viewe’s comments.Even i think that law is so dangerous that it could be one of the most anti american laws ever made in the USA. Its not just the video games part that worries me the most but the part that all media, and even books included. This can effect even education I think, to the point that even that will be censored.



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    thinker/gamer/average man says:

    Personally, i would love some (slightly educated sensible) teens, young adults, and even gaming-adults to step up to the plate, and i would love to join them. I didnt even know this bill was passed until i read this article, however i am glad i stumbled on it. Firstly, the reason i say slightly educated and sensible, is because honestly, acting rashly would only hurt the success of any ‘retaliation’ campaign. As has been said, parents should be held accountable, and the only reason they agree with this is ‘Hey, look, i have an excuse not to raise my kids like i should and blame something else to clear my own conscience (sp?)!’

    <sarcasm>The gaming industry provides the most futuristic technology available to mankind, rightly dubbed ‘rating system’ which tells parents what the average (and sensible) age group should be for anyone who makes the purchase of said game. </endsarcasm

    Now, if the parents really sought that their kids not to be influenced by a violent game, then maybe they shouldn’t be buying their kids games with violence, that, with the help of thousands of scientific minds, over the last five hundred millenia to deduce that a game involving violence should be rated M for mature, meaning only people of age to discern between reality and fantasy should own and play this game, then perhaps the parents shouldnt be buying such ‘media’ for their kids in the first place? perhaps taking the fifteen seconds it takes to look at the rating, and then read the back of the case which tells exactly what the game contains within, and a small backstory? oh, wait, that requires too much logic and common sense to be plausible! oops.. i must have messed up on my /endsarcasm… oh, forgot the last > !

    Now to the issue at hand. As has been stated, this is simply sterotyping (blanket term) that a game induces the inspiration to cause criminal acts? last i checked, it was the persons personal interperetation of any given media outlet, + their mental condition, level of logic/commin sense, divided by the 2nd power to = the final outcome. This law simply allows anyone to blame anyine/anything be it media, or otherwise that caused their own actions. the ‘Devil made me do it’ excuse. and thats just what it is, an excuse.

    for those claiming religion is cause for such things, youre wrong too. the people being prosecuted for a crime, are just like the very lawyers/politicians who made the topic at hand, theyre using an outlet for a scapegoat to blame for ‘why’ they did what they did so that they dont take the responsibility themselves.

    for those that dont understand what i just said, here’s a picture

    Lawyer —– Games/media inspire people to do bad things!

    Person —– God/Devil made me do it!

    point? theyre both just looking for an excuse to escape personal responsibility by blaming somehting else. Its like a post-apacalyptic thing, people will accept any excuse, and blame anyone that someone else tells them to, simply to have something to blame, so they feel secure inside, and dont have to take personal responsibility.

    This bill is just like the preacher in a post-apacalyptic earth, where the lawyer is the prophet, claiming the video games, and other media outlets caused the earth to become the way it has. Why do the masses (aka parents, etc) believe it? because it allows them to point the finger at something other than themselves, so that they can have somehting, other than themselves to hate and blame, without taking the time to consider ‘is this a false prophet trying to take advantage of a weakened community to become rich and powerful?’ anyways, im rambling and going way off topic, but i hope you get the points im trying to make.

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    Furreball says:

    I will say right now, DESPITE, Being canadian. I am outraged myself. Mainly because if this does pass by some miracle. Who knows how many other countries (Hopefully not canada) will look at this and say “Yeah, Lets do that”

    NO!!! NO!!! No!!! BAD Law Makers!!!! THIS is not them striking out to Protect anyone, This is them wanting more money while getting on the good side of parents who need to give thier heads a shake.

    I mean They get tv and Video games to BABYSIT thier kids. To become the parent for thier kids. And they seek to shield thier kids, turning them fragile. Oh no, no no. A kid has fun But *gasp* heaven-forbid he should actually fall down, scrap, hurt, or accidentally injure themselves. This stinks of parents who want us to live in a world of butterflies and rainbows, Where everyone joins hands and sings song while shooting any form of violence or anything of the like into the sun. These seem like the type of parents who send thier kid to the emergency ward for a paper cut, or make sure to wrap thier kids in bubble-wrap before allowing them outdoors.

    What I am saying is..These type of parents need to PULL THIER HEAD OUT OF THIER F**Kin ass. I mean Kids are going to get cuts and scrapes its a part of nature. It toughens them up. Makes skin more durable. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to Decide what is good for the rest of the world. You want to make your kid fragile, fine. But Dont play the victim card, forcing lawmakers and lawyers to pull this kind of BS. THere is ALWAYS a risk of some brain-dead official Bending to the will of these whining parents who think it is thier duty to “protect” other people’s kids while leaving tv and games to babysit thier own.

    And that is my piece! As A fellow gamer, I do not want to see garbage like this again, Even if I am not from arizona.

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    Ace of Sevens ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This is pretty much instafail. It’s pretty well established you can onyl be held for specifically inciting crimes, nto inspiring them and anythign else is a first ammendment violation.

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    […] I could go on forever about this shit, but I’m going to wrap things up here. I’d like to say that I think it’s great to see prominent figures like Stephen King speak out about things like this. Unless you bring the idiocy of these kinds of things to the forefront, states like: Massachusetts, Arizona, Louisiana, Minnesota, New York, Utah, Kansas and California, are just going to slip them into law without true opposition. And since no one really takes the gaming community seriously, it’s even better to have a non-gamer speak up and say “Hey – I think this is bullshit too”. […]

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    ccruler says:

    I understand that, I more or less meant it as a joke. I find this state law ridiculous. However, I’m kinda happy to see that the law doesn’t specify games or movies, simply that it could easily apply to both. Previous things I’ve read up on point the finger at games specifically. Did a bit of reading up quickly since my last reply and will agree with a previous reply you made Dark Sovereign, much of the gaming industry expansion in Canada would have to do with European companies outsourcing their development operations (such as Ubisoft). I will admit I don’t understand U.S. law all that well but will certainly read up more on it in time, certainly is a fascinating subject seeing as it’s very different from most countries.

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    The US is a free country, but whether or not a state is is another matter entirely. The US government that the outside world knows and loves is only supposed to regulate activities between the states adn between the states and the outside world. The states are larely left to determine their own policies.

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    ccruler says:

    The NAFTA signing countries have all been hit by outsourcing in some way or another it seems. Canada for example had a great auto industry which is now going down the shitter, but is getting a better workload in developing video games. I guess it’s a Feng Shui thing, everything is getting balanced out somehow. As for this law, I’m thankful it doesn’t affect me as I live in Canada, but I feel sorry for those that are affected. I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a free country.

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I had completely forgotten about outsourcing. I didn’t think that that affected the video games industry though. I also do not deny that the economy is in a bad way, I merely point out (or tried to) that in order for a recession to occur, the economy must recede.

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    nighstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Dark Sovereign

    With respect:

    Business might not technically be “leaving” the U.S. but they ARE outsourcing their operations. Their corporate offices might still be in Delaware but the regular, non-corporate, jobs are in India, China, Canada, Mexico etc…

    So while you are correct that the company hasn’t technically left, they aren’t hiring in America.

    The “two quarters” definition of a recession is NOT official. It is a generally used and easy to understand term. GDP growth contracted by EIGHTY PERCENT between the last two quarters. That is a MAJOR change. While GDP still grew it grew eighty percent less than the previous quarter.

    As the saying goes: “When your neighbor loses his job, that’s a recession, when you lose your’s that’s a depression”

    Well modify it:

    “When your neighbor loses his job, that’s a slowdown, when you lose your’s that’s a recession.”

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    1. The buisinesses are leaving the United Kingdom for Canada, not the US to Canada.
    2. I don’t think video game companies bring Arizona any. I don’t know of a single company based there.
    3. While the dollar is weakening and money is tight, we are not in a recession, but a slowdown. A recession needs two consecutive quarters of negative growth. We have had none.

    Side note: does anyone know of any company that has moved from the United States to elsewhere? I don’t.
    Also, I would like to point this out: WE DON’T HAVE THIS IN TEXAS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    Bob says:

    In a time when the US is going through a recession, when money is tight and businesses are struggling, is it really wise to be pushing the fastest growing business from your states.?

    If this bill passes, the gaming companies will merely move from the US to Canada ( already going due to tax breaks ) and Europe where the laws dont apply and continue their creativity.

    The losers ? apart from american gamers who aren’t allowed to buy the games, will be the US economy.
    Such stupidity isn’t overly surprising under the War Criminal / Economic Fool Bushes regime.

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    Thad says:

    I wish they posted their roll calls online; I like to think my Rep had the good sense to be one of the “nay” votes.

    Bear in mind it still has to pass the Senate, and even then I give pretty good odds of Governor Napolitano having the good sense to veto it.

    Failing that? Well, it sure is great to live in a state full of “fiscal conservatives” who want to blow millions of our tax dollars defending things that are clearly unconstitutional. (See also: Arpaio, Sheriff Joe.)

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Sorry it’s a little late but yes. The government differs a little but the argument stays the same. The government the abstract entity cannot come to your house and kill you. It must have followers. However, it is far easier to get followers for a government than a religion. A government is created from followers. A religion is created from one person who may or may not be a follower.

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    Stormy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    ugh.. People make me sick. I don’t understand why people are so against video games? Have they even tried them themselves?? Or are they just going by what some extreme conservative had told them?? Acting like sheep doing this by not doing their homework and going by “statistics” as Cliffnotes. Why are they so inclined to stop certain media from being produced? Do they not realize that this not only takes away from our freedom of speech but also stifles the creative mind. Cultures cannot exist without their artists. People REALLY have to learn to take responsibility for their own actions and monitor what their children do! The world isn’t raising their child and parents should not act like we should! maybe they ought not to have procreate if they plan to control everyone around them. Jeez..

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    Chaplain99 says:

    God, make it stop, please…

    I don’t think anyone can glean ANY sense out of this bill. It’s meant to make politicians look good, video games look bad, and upset the delicate balance between the two.

    Listen, what would happen if gamers got together and had a massive LAN party outside the White House? Other than being TOTALLY AWESOME, we would be sending a message: we’re here, having a great time, playing games like Counter-Strike, Halo, Gears of War, Call of Duty 4, Unreal Tourney, and other violent games, and LOOK! NOT ONE OF US IS DEAD YET!!!! AMAZING!

    Seriously, we should do this. I’d be all for pooling money to buy a generator to power a TV and console.

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    Meggie ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That’s pretty much what this is, paving the way for insane lawsuits. You can sue someone if you get hit by their car, it’s a concrete object doing physical harm, but when you replace “physical” with “supposed” and an object with a form of media, lawyers will be in a feeding frenzy.

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    Firebird says:

    *sob* It makes me happy to see the usual togetherness of the gaming community toward the common shithead politicians and law practitioners.

    It gives me a feeling a closure. :)

    But feelings aside, I have to say that I live in the state of Texas, (the kill someone, we kill you right back state) and could see this law come to pass.

    Thankfully, its not by majority rule; but by public ignorance, arrogance, and the unwillingness to vote.

    Because video games have almost no representation in its defense, or public knowledge, and the continuation of slander (with its un-newsworthy support) by people like Jack Thompson; that media laws do make it through. I do not know any fellow gamers other than Gamestop employees that have knowledge of these bills.

    I’d say that if the usual game demographic (ages 18-35) were more aware of these happenings, we’d have less problems….

    and voted for other people who’s IQ does not equal their shoe size.

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    Solarman says:

    This law is so dangerous that it could be one of the most anti american laws ever made in the USA. Its not just the video games part that worries me the most but the part that all media, and even books included. This can effect even education I think, to the point that even that will be censored.

    This law reminds me something in the 30s/40s in another country that I won’t say.

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    FSK405K says:

    Great! Now they’ll pass a law to find gun companies liable when guns are used in murder, yes? And laws finding water treatment plants liable when people drown in swimming pools?

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    Woodey says:

    The “problem with the world” is illustrated perfectly through this bill. Instead of people just taking responsibility for their actions and wrong-doings they are searching for a scapegoat. It’s been going on since history has been recorded. It’s happening now, and it will happen in the future.

    I don’t suppose it to be fair that if I write a fictional novel about flying planes between the buildings of a major metropolitan area and I included details about how the pilot learned to maneuver through the tight spaces that I could be held responsible for someone that decides that would be a acceptable thing to do in real life.

    Instead of looking at the sociopaths who don’t seem to understand the difference between reality and fiction, these officials and activists look to cut everyone off at the “source”. They believe that video games, novels, movie or any kind of media are to blame instead of it just being a simple “human condition.” Is it really so far fetched to believe that some people are just born lacking the ability to differentiate between right vs. wrong, acceptable vs. unacceptable and real vs. fake.

    I use the terms “right” and “wrong” loosely because I don’t think that there is an actual Right or Wrong. There are things that the majority of society believes or labels to be wrong and since this is the reality we live in we are required to abide by these guidelines. In some other society maybe it’s not a faux pas to run into a school blazing guns and shooing innocent people. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I live in a society that doesn’t allocate that behavior into the “acceptable” column, but I hope you get my point. Now I’m rambling.

    Point is, society seems to be pushing further and further towards trying to find a source to blame for these acts of violence that seem to be happening across the world. I don’t know if it is in attempt to justify the deaths of the innocent (as if you could) or to set our minds at ease but I can guarantee that when they find the “source” and out-law it, there will be no change in the events happening.

    There have been studies to prove that people do not have any increase in rage/anger/aggression after playing violent video games. The problem with studies or tests is that you can manipulate the data to reflect whatever it is that you want. The scientists doing the studies that are being quoted by the media have released articles stating that there is no correlation between violence in media (books, games, movies, music) and an increase in emotions such as rage or anger.

    I think I’m done now…yes, yes, I know. Finally.

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    KillianD says:

    I have a proposal. How about a law whereby we can make politicians pay out of pocket for “stupid” bills that they waste taxpayer money and time on? Sure, it’s a vague standard…but the pols seem to like it that way. Maybe when they’ve mortgaged their second homes and sold all their insane luxuries, they’ll stop wasting our mother******* time.

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    Chaplain99 says:

    This is becoming too common for us to chalk it up as a mere misunderstanding/wrongful accusation.

    At this point, I’d consider an active campaign to change how the politcal world views video games. Being continually compared with guns and pornography, in terms of how the law treats us, is neither fair nor constitutional. It needs to end now.

    Any suggestions? We need to start showing the general public that gaming isn’t like a drug addiction or pornography; games don’t make you do anything other than have safe fun.

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    TheEdge ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    First time commenting…….yay!

    I’m absolutely disgusted by this.I’m abhorred by the sheer audacity of the stupidity presented here.If this gets passed,well,it’ll make me more thankful I don’t live in Arizona for one,but another,if that bill gets passed,it could get passed here in Alabama,because all it takes is for just one success to spur on another.

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    Cam says:

    Hopefully the burden of proof will be too hard to reach, but we need to be on guard against cases where someone nuts says “GTA made me do it”. So when there is a ‘professional’ saying the nuts person might possibly be telling the ‘truth’ by their own warped perceptions, their NEEDS to be a professional saying that games don’t = crime. So I agree with T5- who gains? Lawyers and self appointed experts – Look at Jack T as a perfect example.

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    axia777 says:

    Again, whjo voted for the asshats who pased this bill? What kind of people live in Arizona that would vote for them? Did they know that these kinds of people were running? if they did not know and they officials pulled a fast one then the voters cannot be faulted. If they did know then I blame the voters for voting for asshats like these. DO NOT VOTE FOR ASSHATS LIKE THESE ANYMORE! :(

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    Father Time ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This is bill is dangerous and stupid in more ways than one.

    First off by saying that Arizona thinks that some books or games can be dangerous it now gives any criminal who wants to blame games/movies/books for their crime that much more credibility (and that much more incentive to do so).

    Second certain insane people can be set off by ANYTHING. I remember a long time ago someone here posted a link to a woman who killed her children saying she was inspired by a spider which she took as a sign from God that she must kill her kids.

    Thirdly what if the motivation wasn’t intended by the makers? I read that the movie Fight Club inspired some real life fight clubs to join, which I don’t think was the author’s intention at all (again insane people can be set off by anything).

    Fourthly punishing retailers adds a whole new level of absurdity. Are they supposed to perform background checks on those who buy games? Will the government supply them with the technology to do so?

    Oh and finally the Bible could EASILY fall under this category. How many abortion clinic bombers said they were doing God’s work?

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    Pierre-Olivier ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Parallax Abstraction

    There’s one passage that is always used by gay-hater groups (I hate those kind of cliques). Find it for a cookie.

    This bill is really ridiculous. It goes against all democracy is about, this is just bringing us in the books 1984 or Fahrenheit 451. Seriously, there’s no chance that this bill will be accepted.

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Considering I can think of two cases of the top of my head where mothers killed their own children because ‘God told them to’, I think this is an incredibly dangerous law.

    Oddly enough, ‘God told me to do it’ seems to be a ticket to an instant insanity plea…..

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    shady8x says:

    Wow, just Wow….

    Arizona, I assume you will be starting with the bible and the koran…

    also will you be suing the US government for giving people the first amendment so they could make all this filth…?


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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In all honesty I’d be floored if this thing passes and doubly surprised if it sticks without someone challenging it and overturning it. Generally speaking stuff like this is only in place until someone with enough money gets ticked about it. Besides, imagine the burden of proof in a court. How on earth are you going to prove that any given piece of entertainment “motivated” someone to commit a felony or a terrorist act?

    Honestly, this sort of thing is why you will never see me be a diplomat or senator. Somebody tried to get me to vote for something like this, I’d probably laugh at his butt. (Just wreaks of someone trying to find a way to cash in on tragic acts.)

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Steve and Dark Soverign

    The Heaven’s Gate situation that came to pass in Rancho Santa Fe, California comes to mind as one example where religion did kill.

    The fact is religion cannot exist without followers. To say that a religion cannot come to your house and kill you ok… But then replace religion with government…? Same argument. Would you still support that ideal?

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    GoodRobotUs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    From the ‘Never Again’ Website, bolding added by me.

    ‘We are lawyers providing free legal representation and education for women, children, and senior victims of domestic violence, sexual assault or elder abuse in civil law suits [b]directly against the abusers. [/b]’

    It appears that not only are they no longer going ‘directly against the abusers’, but they are simply looking for a way of making more money for themselves, since whilst they do not charge, I can betcha they take a percentage for administration.

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    Arad ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I vote we form our own political party to bring an ounce of intelligence and sense into the government.

    *writes on voter registration*
    Pixelante (with an illustration of the sprite Donkey Kong from the 8-bit days)

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    Neeneko ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I would not describe the ‘Never Again Foundation’ as a ‘victims advocacy group’. They are only a gnats wing above ambulance chasers. Sure they are a charity, but their entire mantra is “we get monetary revenge for you! hire us and we will do our best to utterly destroy those who hurt you’.

    Nasty, nasty people who exemplify behavior almost as bad as those who they are fighting.

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    Brad Schneider says:

    I can’t beleive I live in Arizona and never even saw this brought before the public.

    I’m disgusted that people would again try to blame a medium ( be it books, wow, dark ages again?, music, 1980’s much?, movies, etc.), instead of the parents not acting as parents.

    As far as teaching kids things, could pac – man be sued for teaching kids to eat white pellets, which morons might interpret as pills? I’m making it public here to my friends, family, fellow employees. This law is just another way for lobbying parents to act like they give a crap, but they’re really just there so they have less work to do.

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    axia777 says:

    Opportunistic blood sucking lawyers suck as much monkey balls as Extremist Religious nut jobs. But just because they suck monkey balls does mean they ALL suck. many lawyers spend many hours actually helping [people for very little or no money. These are the lawyers we will never hear about because they will never be famous. But again, that is just the nature of life in general.

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    GryphonOsiris ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As many have said, this thing leaves way too much open to interpretation. Dangerous can be very subjective to many view points. To some Harry Potter is dangerous because they think it entices children to magic and devil worship. To others organized religion is dangerous because they think it brainwashes and dumbs down the masses. The simple fact of the matter is that a blanket law like this is too broad, too general and can literally be used against every bit of mass media on the market, no matter how innoculus it is.

    This will die under scrutiny simply because it opens those who would pass it under too much scrutiny about legality and creating an excuse for baseless and frivilous litigation.

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    T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Dick Ward

    Slow down speedy, I did not say all lawyers, just the ones behind this/ready to take advantage of it in the unlikely event that it becomes law.

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    Jerros says:

    Did they run out of water in Arizona and start tapping the payote reserves? I’d really like to know how this bill was proposed I’m picturing a room filled with about 83 seats, and 36 of them empty. “Who here doesn’t think this bill should move on?” *23 people raise their hands* “Alright this passes, 36 to 23…”

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    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well, hate is a strong term, but you just have to feel sorry for people who are unable to see the “other side’s” point … Sorry and just a little irritated, but hey – no-one’s perfect :)

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    T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Fellas lets chill with this whole “Bible” nonsense when we should be going after the real bad guy here, the lawyers.

    This Bill has the saliva of a thousands trail lawyers all over it, drooling at the financial prospect that it entails.

    So lets drop the the whole religion angle and get back to hating on the lawyers, surely we can all agree to that?

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “Religion” is abstract. A religion is merely a group of teachings to be acted out on the will of its folowers. A religion cannot come to your house and kill you. Only a representative of a religion can. As such, religion doesn’t kill people. People kill people.

    @Meleedragon27 & Steve

    You can tie this in to something else: saying that video gamers are unfairly stereotyped and then turning around and stereotyping somebody else (in my experience, “it’s the South”, or, more recently “it’s Texas” is the typical fallback) is hypocritical.

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    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Loudspeaker: I’m referring to religion as a belief system, not the followers. People have been misdirected by bad people for centuries – religion is just an excuse used by these bad people to get what they want.

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    CycloneTH says:

    There’s no way in hell this law is constitutional. It’s not “Constitutionally Unlikely” like the bills authored by JT and others, this one is flat out AGAINST the Constitution of the United States. No way in hell this thing passes. I’d bet my life savings against it.

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    sqlrob ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    That lawsuit was justified. A reasonable person expects to get burned spilling coffee on themselves. A reasonable person does *NOT* expect third degree burns that require skin grafts, especially when McD’s was warned over it before. She originally requested simply medical bills. The award phrased as “millions of dollars” does sound like a lot, doesn’t it? That’s not what it was though. It was “one day of revenue from coffee sales”.

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    Meleedragon27 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Steve

    I whole-heartedly agree with you. Saying games aren’t the general problem and then going on to blame something else (guns, the bible, etc.) is hypocritical. I refuse to stoop to that level.

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Steve

    If you’re referring to religion as the Bible then I agree. If you use a blanket term as “religion” well then you’re referring to a group of people and therefore have made a fallicy in your argument.

    I agree with all of those, but for religion you’re wrong unfortunately. Religion has killed many, and I’m NOT singling out ANY of them for that… Simply stating the facts.

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    Steve ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I love the fact that there are some folk on here who adamantly believe that video games have no harmful effects at all, but will happily attribute millions of atrocities on religion.

    Repeat after me:

    Guns don’t kill people, people do.
    Video games don’t kill people, people do.
    Religion doesn’t kill people, people do.
    Books don’t kill people, people do.
    don’t / doesn’t kill people, people do.

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    Kris O. says:

    I’m e-mailing this guy immediately, and asking if I can sue him if reading his bill makes me violent. He has to be held accountable for my actions, since I wouldn’t have grown angry and violent if not for him.

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    Loudspeaker ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ok for all those freaking out (and those outside the US) here’s the situation as it stands now…

    The bill has to be passed and allowed by the governor of Arizona to become law. It may or may not become law. If there are any intelligent members of the legislature it won’t.

    Ok let’s say it does become law. That still doesn’t make it constitutional. The reason for the ESA’s call to action is they’d RATHER not have to deal with a plethora of court cases defending themselves, however it’s still not something to worry about. The bill is VERY VAGUE which in of itself will cause it to be unconstitutional based on state and federal statutes. It will be cut down like many of it’s ilk (sp?).

    This really comes down to a question of how much will the video game industry have to spend to defend itself from such dribble.

    @ GP

    LOVE the bible reference there! That really puts this in perspective for everyone.

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    work says:

    I think that all media written, audio, visual or digital material that they feel will make someone kill should not besold in AZ for a bit and let their economy suffer, i bet there state will go to hell with no movies for poeple to watch or tv shows like 24 ya know the media industry should not sell or air any thing over their and lets see how the people take befor they storm up and demand that trash they call a bill to be removed
    to think out tax dollars go into this non sence im glad in not there and I feel bad for people who have to deal with them ok for now on im voting so we can cut this shit out for good!!!1

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    JohnM says:

    Arizona Resident here.
    Sent my form letter in.
    Surprised this passed the house.
    Confused that an Arizona law was recently passed which allows adults to carry concealed weapons (with permit) onto school campuses.

    You can carry an object invented with violence as its purpose onto a populated area, and if you fire that weapon, the media you have experienced can be blamed for your choice of action.

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    nightstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Also, to those arguing for using the 1st Amendment as an “axe” or suing on the 1st Amendment, you can’t really do that.

    You have no private right of action under the First Amendment. You cannot sue because a law is passed that you think violates your rights.

    The video game industry could only sue if they were actually harmed. So if this law passed and a game was banned or say EA fined. THEN EA could sue, but they can’t sue until the law is actually used against them.

    If they try to sue earlier than that the case will be dismissed for lack of “ripeness.” It’s this idea that the courts will not issue “advisory opinions.” They won’t issue decisions on laws until those laws are actually employed against someone so that the legislature doesn’t slam the courts with hypothetical laws just to see if they’ll pass.

    It would do two things:
    1) Gum up the court system even more than it already is
    2) Make the courts the lawmakers, not the legislatures, since no law would pass without first being run by the courts for an “o.k.”

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    LaxGamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    its like my mom would always say when she wouldn’t let me go over to friends’ houses:
    “I know whats best for you, trust me.”

    that is what I’m getting from all these anti-video game activists these days, they THINK they have the children’s best interests at heart but they dont.

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    nightstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think the one guy made a great point using the Flight Simulator game as an example.

    Did Microsoft Flight Simulator inspire 9-11? You could make the argument…and as such Flight Simulator, FLIGHT SIMULATOR for crying out loud would be banned under this law.

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    Dick Ward ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Khabi – Apology Accepted

    The whole blaming Christians thing… ya know, it’s easy to just say it’s all because of Christians, but we all know that’s not really the case. But to you fellas getting upset at someone blaming all Christians or Christianity in general..

    Look, I know that a majority of the country is Christian, but we don’t see the normal everyday Christian guy just going about his life. No one finds that interesting. What people do find interesting is the Jack Thompsons, spouting hellfire and brimstone. The nutjobs. So, that’s where this is all coming from.

    Not that it’s okay, mind you. For example, black people were/are shown in a negative light more often than not, specifically on the news, and on shows like Cops. (don’t hate on cops too much though, I love that freaking show) It’s not the sole reason for rascism, but it doesn’t help. The same can be said with any group of people that can be put into a group, whether it be by age, skin color, religious belief. Media portrayal of gamers is much the same way.

    I’d also like to point out that the only time I ever know that I’m talking to a Christian is when I’m talking to a nutjob Christian who is hassling me about my Fuck Censorship CBLDF shirt, my long hair, the music I’m listening to, etc.. Christians that are normal reasonable people tend not to tell me that I’m going to hell, or whip out bibles at me.

    Anyway, I’m sure this was rambling, but I just wanted to put it out there.

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    Korrd says:

    This is scary stuff. Not because this bill stands a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving a First Amendment challenge, but because 36 members of the Arizona House of Representatives felt it was worthwhile legislation.

    It’s frightening to me how inept our elected officials are.

    I refer back to Yuki’s comment to summarize my position; enough is enough. The industry needs to stop being concerned about these bills and go on the offensive. Go start some shit. Educate these morons on those rights they’re supposedly sworn to protect.

    And as Yuki suggests, maybe end a few careers while you’re at it.

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So I could beat money changers and they could sue every movie about Jesus then?

    Who are these politicians? Where are their heads?

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    LaxGamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What I’d like to know is what qualifies for being judged as making them commit felonies or terrorism? I swear, the majority of politicians think we all must be some kind of Manchurian Candidates who will kill on cue

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Blaming the Christian doctrine is different than blaming certain Christians. And while some of the Christians are making the laws, other Christians are fighting it. The difference is, the defenders don’t make as big a stink about their Christianity. Frankly, it’s not good to bring up “Christians” as a negative at all, since without clarification it paints all of us in the bad light.

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    Thefremen ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Given the fact that Christo-fascists are ruining the country with the whole thought that the Dark Ages=Guilded Ages I feel it’s valid to bring up Christians as a negative in this discussion. This bill has arised directly from the ideals of the American Taliban, which is Christian. Does that mean all Christians are bad? No. Are Jack Thompson bills and this crap being put forth by Pastafarians or Athiests? Nope. These are attempts by Christians to put their “values” into law in order to win votes from other Christians.

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    axia777 says:

    Pinworm, laws have passed before and they got overturned as being Unconstitutional. Any Judge in her/his right mind will see the insanity of this Bill and over turn it immediately. Who/what I really feel sorry for is voters in Arizona whose tax money is being wasted.

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    mottom22 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Except with that lawsuit it had nothing to do with the constiution, while this has everything to do with it. you’re compairing apples and oranges. true, it only takes one to win, but they all failed under the same exact reasons. and we have qoutes of those politicians saying they knew it would fail. they are in no way planning these things to pass, they just want good fluff to add to their campaigns later.

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    Robert Gauss ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It’s also against the Arizona State Constitution Article II, section 25:

    25. Bills of attainder; ex post facto laws; impairment of contract obligations
    “Section 25. No bill of attainder, ex-post-facto law, or law impairing the obligation of a contract, shall ever be enacted.”

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    Pinworm ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Note to all you saying “This bill will never pass”

    Remember when people said “this lawsuit will never win” back when that fellow sued McDonalds because ‘his coffee was hot’ making millions? Obviously this is different in context, but there are similiarities:

    All it takes is one.

    All it takes is one of these anti-videogame laws to pass, and then there is more, and more, and more, until the USA is destroyed.

    I’m not saying this one will pass.. but one day, god forbid, one might. And that’s all it takes.

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    axia777 says:

    That is what I am hoping Dark Sovereign. That is what I am hoping, that some Judge out there will see and laugh him/her self right off their bench.

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    axia777 says:

    Also of note to those members of this site that are Christians, I am in no way demeaning ALL Christians, just the fundamentalist extremist ones. Extremists of any kind suck.

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    Dick Ward ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This thing’s gonna get it’s ass kicked right? Right?

    @ vinniethewop – Right on brotha. My shrink kept telling me that everything that happened bad to me was the fault of my depression. Turns out if I just get off my ass and fix the problem, the problem goes away. Incidentally, paying for the shrink was one of those problems that went away too :)

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Then go kill yourself, because you can’t escape Christianity. It’s also stupid to think that a Christian belief is behind all of this. Christ said three things applicable here: “turn the other cheek”, “you who is without sin, cast the first stone”, and “before removing the speck from your brother’s eye, remove the plank from your own”.

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    axia777 says:


    All fundamentalist groups suck. Not just Christians. Extremists of any color or stripe are just illogical and lame. That is the nature of the world. There will always be some group of asshats that think they know what is best for everyone.

    BTW, I am a spiritual anarchist. 😉 (I am not a political anarchist.)

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    nighstalker160 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This bill would NEVER pass Constitutional muster. It is just way, WAY too vague.

    The Supreme Court likes specificity, it would, in fact, have a BETTER chance of passing if it did explicitly ban video games or something like that. But this bill basically punishes everything and anything that “inspires” bad thoughts/actions.

    This is just ridiculous, whoever proposed this bill should be thrown out for wasting time.

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    vinniethewop says:

    Personal responsibility were slain by Psychiatry and Psychology. As soon as everything in the world became a “sickness” or an “addiction,” people were no longer responsible for what they did. They went from being criminal offenders to being “victims of mental defects.”

    GP: Vinnie, change your user name – final warning….


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    cpt crunchie says:

    what about the gun manufacturers? they stand to profit from somebody who buys a gun and uses it to kill a ton of people. hell, just seeing the gun could inspire somebody to do it. but no, gun lobbyists have been around forever, and so nobody thinks of going after THEM.

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    Catch 33 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This won’t pass, but if it did, you can bet your games that I would be doing hundred times the damage to just about everyone that others would be doing to the game industry. They want to play hard ball? Fine. Here come my atomic bombs, bitches.

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    JustChris says:

    Personal responsibility already went out the window when insurance was invented. What this bill does is just effectively knock out that middleman and make it easy to fabricate damage claims that don’t really exist.

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    axia777 says:

    @Tyler Baumbarger

    Good story. Sad but too true these days. Personal responsibility is out the window and means all most nothing now to most Americans from what I can see. What a sad state of affairs.

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    Ian Cooper ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “HB 2660… would make content producers, publishers and distributors liable for monetary damages if any written, audio, visual or digital material from which they profited was judged to have been “dangerous” or obscene and motivated someone to commit a felony or an act of terrorism.”

    By that same reasoning the pilot instructors who taught terrorists how to fly planes should be liable for damages due to the collapse of the Twin Towers in New York.

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    axia777 says:

    What is going on in the American legal system? I thought this kind of crap happened way back in the 80’s when the American legal system and the ‘Concerned Parents of America” attacked heavy metal. Did we not lean a damn thing? I guess not. They are wasting millions that they could be using for real purposes like feeding the homeless, funding schools, or any number of worthy ventures. My god, who voted in the asshats? To the voters in Arizona who did so, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Thanks a lot, you are all asshats too.

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    ChuckLez ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Actually, if this applies to all, than the most dangerous piece of media has to be none other than the Bible.

    Millions upon millions….upon millions have killed, assaulted and have committed suicide over it.

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    clownluv247 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    and everyday that passes i wonder more and more about bringing my little Aeris into a world filled with madness such as this…there are so many other problems in the world….but somehow our entertainment media is the cause of everything.people dont go insane from all our jobs leaving the country, and being poor and desperate…or go nuts after losing a loved one in a war we shouldnt have ever started…they only go nuts because they read an evil book, watched a violent movie, or played a violent video game.Things like this really make me consider moving my daughter and i to some vast remote area of the world where the local wildlife has never even seen a human

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    Orange Soda says:

    The music industry puts out lots of sappy love songs. If I’m mentally unstable after a harsh break-up, and hearing such a song causes me to snap, then the artist and/or label are liable for my actions.

    If I jump on a turtle and the turtle dies, Nintendo is culpable of cruelty to animals. If I then kick the dead turtle into something and it breaks, Nintendo is charged with vandalism as well.

    The Muppet Babies cartoon encouraged the audience to use their imagination. I can imagine a lot of things, and I can use my imagination to plan out my actions. Therefore, Jim Henson Productions is liable for anything I do.

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    x(wai)x says:

    Anybody remember that Charles Manson was inspired by seemingly harmless Beatles lyrics?

    Among many many other things, including philosophies he learned through studying Scientology (which would explain a lot IMO but I digress).

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    Story time!

    Little Johnny went to school one day with a gun in his back pack. Little Johnny shot eight of his classmates as well as three faculty members before turning the weapon on himself. The police looked into Little Johnny’s background. They found that he came from a broken home, was on anti-depressants, and he often went hunting with his father. His step-father had been arrested for domestic abuse of Little Johnny twice. Little Johnny had stacks of nazi propaganda in his room and all of his victims were minorities. The police found a copy of Grand Theft Auto in the room next to a rather offensive suicide note, denoting the various ethnic groups he thought were destroying the planet.

    What do you think the media is going to talk about?

    Ok, story time is over. I am quite sick of all of these attempts at legislating free speech. The fact of the matter is that the KKK can march down the street in broad daylight, but video games are constantly being attacked by politicians as what is wrong with kids today. You want to know what is wrong with kids today? They are still kids. Eventually, every generation takes the next step. I just hope when the current powers that be fade into obscurity, the next ones will remember what we have dealt with.

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    Joe Sixpack ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Let me preface this by stating that I don’t advocate real-world violence at all. This is purely hypothetical.

    Now then, suppose this ridiculous law passes, and it so enrages some nutjob that he decides to commit acts of violence against the Arizona legislature or some of its members. Could the AZ legislature then be sued for creating “written material” (the law itself) which “motivated someone to commit a felony?”

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that they haven’t really thought it through, but you’d think they’d at least be aware of the abject failure of all similar laws in otehr states.

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    Arad ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Aaaah, yes.

    An exceptional piece of legal garbage that not only enables the “GTA made me do it!” excuse, but it *rewards* it.

    Don’t want to be responsible for something? Play a video game and blame that afterward! Then you’ll get off scott-free and you’ll be able to litigate against the video game makers!

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    Cid says:

    @ Dark Sovereign

    Actually, if I’m not mistaken about the wording:

    “3. The person knew, should have known or recklessly disregarded a significant risk that the material would substantially assist, encourage or result in another person committing terrorism or a felony offense.”

    It’s not simply “inspiring” the person to commit the crime, it could be providing the means to commit it. Which again brings us back to events like suing an automaker because a loved one was killed in a hit and run.

    The manufacturer provided the “assist” to the crime, and a car is a dangerous object, and the manufacturers do know that.

    So, it seems that this bill is trying to open up the way to pretty much sue everything in existence. Not that it will stand up to scrutiny as it is so f****** vague that it makes me ill. Go solve a real problem, guys.

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    DeadJesterx ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Awesome, another waste of tax-payer money.

    I’m not too surprised as politicians, from both parties, often go with such lazy legislation as it makes it appear that they are “doing something” about the social ills. But it’s only appearences. Even if this bill were to pass (and it doesn’t have a snow ball’s chance in hell) it would achieve nothing except tying up the Arizona courts in a plethora of though crime-esque legal battles.

    If you really want to cut-back on felonies and crime, promote legislation that would have a tangible effect on society. Attract jobs to your state as an area with a good economy has less crime due to people not feeling so desperate. Promote electives in schools such as art and music so kids, especially teens, have an outlet of their angst. Ensure that the gun laws on the books are enforced properly so that psychos like Cho never get their hands on weapons in the first place. Make sure there are enough polic on the street to curb crime.

    Of course, to do all that requires actual effort and time and politicians these days only care about getting elected so we end up having crap like this. And for the record I deplore these massacre chaster lawyers as they exploit a tragedy for money and face time.

    Ok, I’m done ranting.

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    axia777 says:

    To the subhuman pieces of trash that passed this bill. – FUCK YOU! YOU VILE COMMUNIST FASCIST DICTATOR ASSHOLES!!!!

    Where the hell do they grown these pod like humans? I can’t believe this passed in America. This country ios going straight down the shitter I swear.

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    Delin says:

    I’ll continue to watch the Florida legislators with trepidation. However, even though Florida is RIPE (in my opinion) for a law such as this, I don’t see one happening anytime soon. We’re so deep in numerous real issues (tuition hikes, an economy largely built on tourism, an expanding population that demands infrastructure, yet won’t pay for it, etc.) that they shouldn’t have a chance to pull something like this, but I digress.

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    Brokenscope ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Let the law stand and refuse to distribute media to the state. Watch as a significant number of politicians lose their next election.

    Then challenge the law in court or let the state fix its own problems.

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    Dark Sovereign ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If this passes, I could see it getting shot down, but since it doesn’t SPECIFICALLY ban any form of expression, it might be able to pass the constitutional test. I would like to point out, to those citing guns and alcohol, that the bill only attacks objects that “inspire”, and would only apply to media such as games, books, and movies. This seems like a last gasp for air for the video game cencorship lobby.

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    nightwng2000 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ya know, I really hope this passes.

    Monkeythumbs had it right.

    Have a shooting, or even just a beating up of someone, like the recent shooting at an Oxnard school, over an apparently homosexual student.

    Search the criminal’s home for religious text.

    Blame the religious text and religion.

    Multi-million dollar lawsuits against the publisher of the religious text.

    And, if their religion organizes, such as a church, discover if the religion preaches bigotry and hate against homosexuals.

    Multi-million dollar lawsuits against the church.

    And, hey, if the church claims immunity or demands that they are protected by the First Amendment…


    NW2K Software

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    BlackIce, Dragunov Marksman ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Once again, the First Ammendment is to be the Industries Shield against Congress.

    I’d personally like it to be an Axe too, but one step at a time.

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    Yuki says:

    You see people, this is why I keep saying it. The industry should stop playing defense and start playing offense. Lets try this. If they say they want to pass this law, how bout this, the industry then says it will sue every politican who passed a law and failed as there actions are DANGEROUS to free speech.


    Ok, so maybe i’m jumping the gun, but my point is, and again this is a point I keep making, the industry HAS TO STOP PLAYING NICE!

    Screw the PR problems, screw whatever issues it might create in the public image, the industry needs to send a clear message to the politicans.

    Fuck with us, we will break your bank and your carrer. All they have to due is point to Jack and say. “See this man, who fancies himself our most able and abiding critic? Yeah, he’s about to lose his law license. Care to join him on the un employment line? “

    Forget winning or losing, forget the media or political backlash. Lets force the politicos to start facing there own music.

    Then maybe they’ll shut the fuck up and leave us the hell alone.

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    Baine ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    o_o….you know I live in Arizona…why wasn’t this brought up earlier?! I woulda driven out to Phoenix and begged to be heard before my state’s congress!!

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    Zerodash ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That means a movie depicting mail fraud could be sued for promoting mail fraud. A film or book with teen pregnancy can be sued for causing the same. This bill could pretty much destroy ALL media…which is why it will fail.

    This crap is why people hate lawyers.

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    Bob says:

    Sounds like they have tried to manipulate previous failed bills to get one through.
    Rather than going on the ‘games are bad’ route which has a proven fail record, they are now broadening the scope with the confidence that if they pass a law telling everyone they can now sue the big companies for every hardship and horror, then it has more chance of passing.
    Come on, the ‘Sue to absolve myself of responsibility and get rich’ mentality has more legs than the ‘bad game’ angle.

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    TSU says:

    This bill will never fly in court.

    If this, by some unforeseen nightmare ot judicial incompetence did stand, it would be a disaster, not only for the media, but for other industries as well.

    If we don’t currently hold GM & Smith&Wesson accountable for the things people do with their products, how can we hold EA and Warner Brothers responsible for things people saw in their products?

    The whole idea just doesn’t make sense.

    It reminds me of the same people who were terrified of comic books in the 50’s and 60’s. “They’re rotting children’s brains!” “They’re violent!” “They’re full of smut!”.

    Fast forward to now, and they’re the basis of more summer blockbusters than anything else in the last 10 years.

    Personally, I think the interactivity scares people more than anything else, and gives them the ability to persuade otherwise intelligent people into thinking that games have some sort of negative impact. Given enough time, or the next big thing, common sense ‘should’ prevail. One can hope, at least.

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    Timmay! says:

    Let’s see, The Bible, that’s definately violent and HAS been cited as an “inspiration” for violent and terroristic acts. “Birth of a Nation”, now THERE’S a film that’s harmful (KKK propaganda) that should quickly be dealt with by this new law.

    Then there’s Loony Toons, pretty much any war documentary, the evening news, text books, ZOMG, there’s harmful violence everywhere! Ban everything, initiate Care Bearism!

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    Belgarion89 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’d like to see this apply to The Wizard of Oz, just so all the old people in Arizona will get pissed off and demand the bill’s repeal. There are lots of them, and we all know how much old people vote.

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    vinniethewop says:

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s just clear the way for every despicable rapist to say, “Porn made me do it.”

    Let’s just absolve everybody of personal responsibility why don’t we? Big surprise a sue-happy lawyer is partially responsible for this legislation. He’ll be able to chase tragedies all day.

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    Tye The Czar says:

    If more people were politically aware in the country, I bet there would have been a riot if this were actually put into law, oy. And also for other political fouls(You all know).

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    majestic_12_x ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Legal Challenges to HB2660
    Starting Lineup
    1. “The Turner Diaries”
    2. ” Magnum Force”
    3. ” The Warriors”
    4. “Jackass”
    5. “Doom”
    6. “The Basketball Diaries”
    7. “Grand Theft Auto” (Series)
    8. “Catcher in the Rye”
    9. “Halo” (Series)

    As mentioned in the article, HB2660 is so overly broad that any judge could interpret almost anything (film, music, books, games) to have influenced, and thus violated such a law. I could see many a citizen trying to file civil suits alleging that they were harmed by someone influenced by a film and going after a movie studio (because they have the money). Whoever wrote this law needs to go back to “law writing class” because they obviously were asleep for a good portion of the class.

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    […] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptA piece of legislation under consideration today by the Arizona State Senate has video game industry representatives concerned. HB 2660, which was passed by a 36-23 vote in the Arizona House of Representatives last month, would make content producers, publishers and distributors liable for monetary damages if any written, audio, visual or digital material from which they profited was judged to have been “dangerous” or obscene and motivated someone to commit a felony or an act of terrorism. The Arizona Daily Star reports that Keith Perkins, an attorney who runs the victims advocacy group Never Again Foundation, said that those who profit from such material should be held responsible. Perkins wrote the measure, which is sponsored by Republican Warde Nichols (left). Representatives for content creators, however, say the measure goes too far: A representative for the Motion Picture Association of America, Wendy Briggs, said House Bill 2660 is overly broad. She said the legislation… could result in lawsuits against people involved […] […]

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    lordlundar says:

    Anyone want an example of the chilling effect? Let’s look at the Flight Simulator example, which would easily pass muster. If it is used in a terrorist training plot again (It was used in 9/11 and some attempts after), the development team under this law would be arrested as terrorists as well and if found guilty would spend their life in Guantanamo Bay with no chance of getting out.

    As well, it takes causation out of the equation, allowing the “Games made me do it” defence to be used, and have the developer take the fall instead.

    It’s like everyone in a car manufacturing plant facing murder charges because they built the car that a serial murder used to run people over. Who would want to be in the buisness then?

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    Baruch ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If Arizona passes this they’ll also have to make gun manufacturers liable for firearm-related incidents, car companies responsible for car crashes, and alcohol brewers responsible for anything people do when drunk.

    These legislators need a reality check. Anything can be used responsibly or abused; it’s the responsibility of the user–or the user’s guardian if s/he’s a minor–to make sure the item is used in a proper way.

    People need to be responsible for their own actions; passing the blame will only make things worse in the long run.

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    Azhrarn, Death-of-Faxmachines says:

    If it applies to ALL media then it will certainly fail but it will be interesting to watch the lobies nuke it, if its only targetted at videogames it will fail aswell, mainly because it effectively discriminates between the arts and promotes the existence of Jack Thompson-esque Massacre Chasers.

    What i do not understand is why now?
    Are they hoping to swamp the mention of this bill with the presidential pre-elections or what are they trying to pull here, that’s the 3rd one in a relatively short period of time, the two previous ones were bounced, but still it is worrisome that they’re all so closely timed.

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    koichan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wow, i thought the other video game laws were bad, but this has to go down as one of the most stupendously stupid laws i’ve ever seen… and it WON a vote? i don’t know whether to laugh or cry

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    Waffles ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Laws based on pure subjectivity = insta fail

    Arizona bill = will fail
    Massachusetts bill = will fail
    Our tax dollars = down the shitter

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    SolidSnark ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The only effect that this idiotic piece of legislation will have is that AZ tax payers will once again end up paying the industries legal bill.

    There is no chance that this would pass constitutional muster. The federal courts have been brutal in striking down laws and lawsuits that try to hold content providers for that actions of individuals.

    This clown Perkins needs his head examined.

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    Benji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah, saying something is ‘dangerous’ is a rather overbroad and subjective statement to have in a law.
    For that matter, so is saying that something ‘motivated someone to commit a felony.’ If a mentally ill person, after an afternoon of playing GTA, were to steal his neighbor’s gun and go on a rampage, what motivated him? The game? The illness? The availability of a firearm? I think that proving such motivation came from a game or movie is nigh-impossible – and if the link were provable, it probably means that the movie or game is ‘inciting imminent violence’ and would already be liable under existing criminal and civil law.
    And the fact that the law was written by a victim’s advocacy lawyer… this sounds to me like said lawyer just wants to make it easier to reach into the media’s deep pockets whenever a tragedy occurs.

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    DoggySpew ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Isn’t this a straight violation of the first amendment ?

    Nazi material, religious material, heck any written material can’t be held responsible for the actions of others.

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    Delin says:


    What is the it?

    If you mean the law makers, then yes I’m inclined to agree, it seems they are getting desperate and the courts are having none of it.

    If you mean the game makers, then please explain.

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    Delin says:

    I don’t see this passing constitutional muster. As GP said, who says that these games caused something or are dangerous. The bill is too vague. I personally feel that it too will join the pile of judicially killed laws.

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    Pinworm ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Does anyone else have a feeling like “it’s just all falling apart”?

    I don’t know what I mean by that, but it’s a feeling I have..

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    Joe Gamer says:

    Why is the blame never put on the PARENTS!!!! It it too much to ask that a partent actualy raises thier child, or is it up to the media to instill values.

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    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    This “problem” is not going away anytime soon. There are many politicians-especially right now, who would rather point fingers than try to deal with a problem.

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    Vinzent says:

    I can hardly wait to sue the various churches for distributing violent material that time and again has inspired wacko nutjobs to go on a killing spree.

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    Canary Wundaboy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Why don’t people just try and sue the Church for the Bible ‘inciting violence’?
    These bills would get shot to pieces and the politicians backpedal so fast…

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