Judge in Jack Thompson Bar Trial Requests More Time
Judge in Jack Thompson Bar Trial Requests More Time
April 15, 2008
Judge Dava Tunis (left), who presided over the November, 2007 Florida Bar trial of anti-game activist Jack Thompson, has petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for more time in which to issue her decision.While GamePolitics had been anticipating Tunis' final ruling on Thompson's fate by April 21st, an April 11th Florida Supreme Court docket entry notes the request for a time extension by Judge Tunis.
No additional details appear in the docket entry and it is unclear what is behind Judge Tunis' request. However, in addition to nearly two weeks of testimony, there is a large volume of printed material to be reviewed, especially given Thompson's well-known penchant for sending e-mails, faxes and the like.
Judge Tunis herself has been under attack from Thompson in recent times (then again, who hasn't?). In a claim reminiscent of Catch-22's Great Loyalty Oath Crusade, Thompson alleges that a written loyalty oath required under Florida law was not properly executed by Tunis.
GamePolitics has offered the most extensive coverage of the Thompson trial anywhere. Be sure to check out our exclusive transcripts.
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She may be making sure there's no loopholes he can exploit.
For crying out loud Thompson, do you even know what "extradition" means?
Andrew Eisen
Take your time, Judge.
That's all right, Dava. We can wait longer for Thompson's end. Gives him more time to entertain us.
Now I have to re-print the invitations :(
This extension can't possibly be seen as a good thing for Thompson can it? (Although I'm sure he'll say that it is).
Anything is possible.
@OneMan'sOpinion
Want some help with that?
With any luck he'll threaten T2 and break is agreement with them and get in even more trouble.
Evil...
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he did. Though, to be honest, he does seem kinda obsessed with R* and T2.
I mean, hell, why hasn't he gone after Bungie for the Halo Trilogy or hell, Nintendo/Retro for the Metroid Prime games? They're 1st-person shooters, violence everywhere! ;)
My point is... I'm surprised he didn't bash Bungie when his kid was allowed to buy Halo 3 without his ID being shown. I may despise him, but I swear, he has other targets than just R* and T2.
Wouldn't be evil, IMO.
Doing it to spike his B.P. would exact her own vengeance for having to put up with him and his antics in the trial.
(sorry for double post)
John Bruce has already stated that he can't run an unbias campaign nor could he operate as an honorable, ethical, unbiased judge.
His campaigns and attitudes against homosexuality, his campaigns and attitudes regarding how he feels ONLY HE can decide what is or is not appropriate for other Parent's children, as well as his admitted religious bias (as seen numerous times, even in his court actions), show that if he took any such oath, it would be a lie. He would be incapable of being unbiased and would be incapable of treating any plaintiff or defendant that he had a personal, religious, and/or political difference of opinion with in a fair, honorable, and/or ethical manner.
So I find it laughable that he condemns others for allegedly not doing somehting that he couldn't abide truthfully doing himself.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
It will make his fall even greater with less chance of him ever recovering.
The evidence presented during the trail in court wasn't enough to disbar him outright. She has to read stuff for months and months and still needs more time. Wow she and the Florida Bar are tolerant. After the first word out of his mouth during his disbarment I would have said "Shut it up you! You're a knob, YOUUUU'RREE FIRED!"
granted thats for jury trials, but i could see Jack trying to push it for this as well
Microsoft, yes, but not BUNGIE.
Very true. It's quite hypocritical to whine and complain about unfair persecution and judgments against him (even though it's all a result of his own bad behavior and failure to correctly do his job) when he can not possibly manage holding an unbiased court should he be judge. His fanaticism will never let him see how he is actually the thing he complains against and that his complaints are hollow and wrong against whoever he's got in his sights at the time, but eventually there will come a day where everything comes back to haunt him till he realizes all the wrong he's done. At least we can hope he learns his lesson some day.
Be sure to remember my name! Ill bring the drinks XD
Jack doesn't want this, he's been demanding that the bar release their ruling right away for awhile now.
Just throwin that out there.
Honestly, losing his ability to practice law is the best thing that can happen for gamers everywhere. No more slandering, no more parading as a 'school shooting' expert.
a lot of gay porn to shift through....
So who thinks that jack will go gun-totting crazy when he finally snaps? The universe seems to enjoy irony of that sort. I'm imagining a public on-air breakdown akin to the one in GTA Vice City by Pastor Richards. That would be quality entertainment (except for the poor guy who gets shot but if he's like the nudist in VCPR, it won't be any great loss)
Then of course she's got to write out her decision, which in and of itself would take a while.
So I suppose it isn't too surprising that she's asking for an extention.
@Shadow Darkman
While a technicality, at the time when he went after Microsoft for CS Bungie was Microsoft. You go after the parent company/publisher, granted they Bungie had nothing to do with CS. I seem to remember he made some kind of lame ass attempt to block Halo 3, or at least threatened to and bitched about it.
He said he was going ot file a motion ot have it blocked, less than a week before release.
Either he knew it'd fail and just wanted to get under people's skin or his self importance is so hideously bloated that he thought they'd rush it
Oh wait, if he wasn't being a prick trying for the mandatory delay he'd file his case well before its release. He'd also have a chance of winning a case too, but we can see his recent track record proves he's incapable of that.
And more time Tunis takes to read throughly all this junk means that Thompson can't complain that she was biased or made hasty decision (like a certain judge I heard in a case).
Patience, then. Patience.
the judge is making sure that when thompson attempts to appeal that it will be shot down by any and every court.
This is worst than a Law and Order SVU episode when the rapist gets free.
YOU'RE ON THIN ICE JACKIE BOY
"Gamers should put down the controller and get a life! They don't care about anything but their games and are desensitized to violence or caring about others! They should be sentenced to playing a suicide game and get really good at it!"
:: Defense attorney stands and introduces defense exhibit 1: Two articles from today's GP. ::
:: Judge looks at articles:
Gun Control article - 178+ comments at this moment
John Bruce article - 44 comments at this moment ::
Judge: Case dismissed.
Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
When you say Scott-free, surely you don't mean Scott Ramsoomair, right?
(This joke was based on the E-mail Conversation between Ramsoomair and JT recorded on VGCats)
Seriously though, when you put as much rope round your own neck as Thompson did, it takes a long time to reach the end. When you are a Judge being threatened, along with the entire establishment you represent you have two choices, you can either give leeway or put the guy on his ass so hard he ain't never getting up. I get the feeling both the State and Supreme court left the leeway behind when it became apparent that Thompson doesn't know the meaning of the word 'compromise'.
How the hell do you know that? :o Can you link to where you heard that?
@GoodRobotUs
I'm still shocked they didn't nail him for contempt all that time ago.
For anyone wondering what this is about, Thompson alleges that Tunis has three Loyalty Oaths floating around out there. One is correct and notarized, the other two are the wrong oath and not notarized. Here’s Thompson’s Tunis Oath signing timeline:
September 12, 2000 – Correct Oath and notarized
On January 17, 2003 – Wrong Oath and not notarized
On September 29, 2005 - Wrong Oath and not notarized
You see, according to Thompson, the signature on the first does not match the signature on the last two so the former must be a forgery! As such, Tunis never officially took her Oath and deserves the boot.
Ignoring the fact that people’s signatures can change over the years, Thompson’s conclusion doesn’t follow any semblance of logic. If anything, it seems more probable that the last two are forgeries (you know, being the wrong Oath and not notarized and all).
At the end of the day, nothing I’ve seen indicates that the original is invalid and as such, Tunis did take her Oath and is in the clear. Thompson is going to need to present something a lot more compelling then two “wrong Oaths” that aren’t notarized and have signatures that don’t match Tunis’s signature on a notarized document.
Andrew Eisen
Do the "wrong" Oaths still apply, though?
What if the later oaths are intentionally different to focus on reaffirming the first oath as opposed to taking the same oath over and over again?
My whole point is even if everything Thompson alleges is fact (and I seriously doubt that) it still doesn't make a lick of sense or work the way he wants it to.
Andrew Eisen
Thanks for clearing that up.
Oh well. I guess I just have to be patient along with the rest of the GP readers.
Gift.
Even though the hearing has come and gone.
Does anything Jack do now can still influence her disition?
What about personal attacks and slander?
Slander and libel is why JT is suing so many people. Of course, in his case, it's all B.S.
THE FLORIDA BAR,
Complainant,
v. Case Numbers SC 07 - 80 and 07- 354
JOHN B. THOMPSON,
Respondent.
RESPONDENT’S MOTION TO VACATE REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF TIME AND OPPOSITION TO MOTION FOR EXTENSION AND REQUEST FOR HEARING THEREON
COMES NOW respondent Thompson and moves this referee to vacate her request for extension of time. It was never provided to Thompson, and it should not even have been sought without consultation by the referee with both parties.
Further, the best and really only way for this issue to be addressed is by what is called in legal circles “a hearing.” Thompson is aware that this referee eschews such things, but due process demands on in this instance.
What we have going on here is a further protraction of what has been a nearly four-year-old nightmare for Thompson which is now going to be protracted further. We are at the point now of a deeper meaning to the phrase “Justice delayed is justice denied.” As the referee knows, she is under investigation for operating under a forged loyalty oath. Thompson suggests she do all of us a favor, including herself, and recuse herself from this case so that she has more time for whatever she does. She obviously does not seem to have the time to address this matter in a timely fashion.
Finally, it is disturbing and it is so typical of this referee that she would deny the undersigned a continuance during his wife’s fight with ovarian cancer, but this referee, who apparently is dealing with no such family emergency, can waltz into the Florida Supreme Court, from which Thompson is excluded, to ask for an extension simply because she wants to.
This referee’s hypocrisy eclipses, it now seems, even that of The Florida Bar. A judge’s languid dealing with a disciplinary trial that was over more than four months ago trumps a family’s dealing with cancer. How lovely. How typical. How Orwellian.
A hearing on all this, please.
I HEREBY CERTIFY that I have provided this to The Florida Bar, 1200 Edgewater Drive, Orlando, Florida, April 15, 2008.
These things take time. Rushed rulings do no one justice. Although apparently Jack doesn't agree on that point.
I can only assume for the moment that it's not actually going to affect the case for that reason unless there is actually another lawyer who signed onto it.
Hey, you don't bring that shit in here, and I won't either.
But Jack has no one to blame but himself for the length of the trial. The man shares his every paranoid impulse with every fax machine and every email of anyone remotely related and sometimes not related to these issues. Frankly he cannot expect anyone to go through the likely thousands of pages of unfiltered bullshit he spews in a few days. Perhaps if he had a little self control he could somewhere stop the crazies somewhere between his addled mind and the keyboard.
How could John Bruce "Fax Killer" Thompson expect anything except a lengthy trial?
I suspect that this, like every other ridiculous motion you've filed in this case, will be responded to with a dismissal that ends with the words "hereby denied."
I don't understand this guy.
No, there isn't. In fact Jack could take a vacation, or carry on business as usual until the ruling comes down. Sure there's going to be some stress waiting while waiting for it, but that should prevent him from spending time with his wife.
The problem is that Jack is spending time trying futilely to keep the decision from being handed down at all instead of spending his time with his wife. So in his eyes, Judge Tunis asking for an extension is her keeping Jack for spending time with his wife; regardless of the fact that that's Jack's own doing.
Bet it's one of the discarded one because Thompson forgot his ruling. Last time I checked, he sent four, all discarded with a warning.
Why don´t you keep an eye to your family instead just trolling on Gamepolitics?
Man, you are really an internet nerd in a body of a senile man.
For those who want to refresh their memories:
"In the future, any documents filed in this case not signed by a member in good standing of The Florida Bar other than you, will be filed in a miscellaneous file we maintain in the Clerk's office. They will not be docketed in your case nor acknowledged by us."
Now, he cannot even bully with motion. Looks like he lost most of his edge (which is getting quite blunt).
Whyare you here instead of taking a load off from work?
Actually disbarment & writing lines for years would be an appropriate punishment for someone so childish.
C'mon...you really don't know?
"Tunis is probably seeking her own extradition to Elba, and that would be a good thing."
Wishful thinking, as always, Mr. Thompson. That's all you really have up your sleave lately, isn't?
"COMES NOW respondent Thompson and moves this referee to vacate her request for extension of time. It was never provided to Thompson, and it should not even have been sought without consultation by the referee with both parties."
First off: YOU WERE SANCTIONED BY THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DENSE-AS-DIAMOND SKULL.
Apologies for the all captial letters, but apparently i need to dumb myself down to your level to write things to you. Which is sad, seeing as i'm less than half your age. (I'm 21)
Secondly... so you're basically saying that the defendant should be allowed an unlimited amount of time to stall before the reading of the verdict so the statute of limitations will eventually pass? Very nice, Mr. Thomspon. Very nice indeed.
"Further, the best and really only way for this issue to be addressed is by what is called in legal circles “a hearing.” Thompson is aware that this referee eschews such things, but due process demands on in this instance.
What we have going on here is a further protraction of what has been a nearly four-year-old nightmare for Thompson which is now going to be protracted further. We are at the point now of a deeper meaning to the phrase “Justice delayed is justice denied.” As the referee knows, she is under investigation for operating under a forged loyalty oath. Thompson suggests she do all of us a favor, including herself, and recuse herself from this case so that she has more time for whatever she does. She obviously does not seem to have the time to address this matter in a timely fashion."
You're not the only case she's dealing with. She has something called "a job," and "a life," Mr. Thompson, and believe it or not, the Supreme Court has other, much, much, MUCH more important cases to give its attention to than your own. (And the time she's taking is your own fault, you know. If you didn't send hundreds upon hundreds of those infantile e-mails of yours, you likely wouldn't even be in this mess)
"Finally, it is disturbing and it is so typical of this referee that she would deny the undersigned a continuance during his wife’s fight with ovarian cancer, but this referee, who apparently is dealing with no such family emergency, can waltz into the Florida Supreme Court, from which Thompson is excluded, to ask for an extension simply because she wants to."
...YOU JUST FREAKING ADMITTED YOU WERE SANCTIONED, AND YET YOU'RE SENDING THIS ANYWAY? Pardon the bluntness, but... what are you, retarded?
Mr. Thompson... answer me this. The proceedings of your trial ended in late December of 2007, correct? And Judge Tunis said that she'd have the verdict ready by spring of 2008 at that point, right?
Well... WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THE PAST FOUR MONTHS? Just sitting on your butt, NOT spending time with your wife? Really, Mr. Thompson, think about this. Apparently, abusing your internet connection, sending e-mails to the FBI about every Tom, Dick, and Harry about your conspiracy is more important to you than your own cancer-stricken wife.
You sicken me. Good day.
Can't be any harder than 'Do you like dealing with his constant bs?' ... or so I'd thought? :/
I agree that that was a pretty low thing for HurricaneJesus to say. Though when even Jack himself won't leave his family out of it...
1) Your letter, hilariously, will go unread by the SCOFLA. You were sanctioned, you see. And it's not that you don't have access, you just need to find another lawyer to sign the document. Too bad there's a lack of insane lawyers in souther Florida.
2) You need the case to be over so you can spend time with your wife? Here's a thought. How about you cease filing bar complaints against blogs who have banned you and trolling the internet to post inane insults to video gamers? That might help. Right now it seems your crusade is more important to you than your family. That's just sad.
3) As usual, you provide no legal basis for your complaint. A competent lawyer would have done so.
I find it disturbing that it is taking this long for him to be disbarred- if that even comes to pass.
What does it say about the state of the legal profession if someone as childish and vile is able to keep his ability to practice law?
Legal... basis? I thought the object of the game was to file as many frivolous lawsuits as humanly possible before everyone tires of his crap. (Sounds like he's trying for the 'filed a million lawsuits' achievement, but florida might wind up cancelling his XBLA account before then.)
Is she casting Life3 on all of her office electronics?
on annother note
wasnt jt a medical miscounduct lawer? cause if he was i think i know where he's going wrong.
Thus ever to sociopaths
(I mean it when I say civil-spoken)
Unfortunately Jack doesn't really do 'civil'. People have tried striking up a civil conversation with him in the past, only for him to insult them right off the bat.
With all the crap you've pulled it's no wonder the judge needs more time to go over it. I believe in your document above you even mention that it's been going on for 4 years, which means there's probably several months of reading to be done to get through all your abusive letters, threats, libel, slander, and harassment towards other people. You claim that it's unfair and that all you want is a fair trial, well guess what, this time is actually required to give you a fair trial so you can't claim it's unfair and that you want a fair trial. You can claim that you want a trial biased in favor of you, but I imagine that won't convince many of the Supremes' to do anything in your favor.
I suggest you take the advice though, you have a lot of work to do to improve things with your family.
While I have toyed with the idea off and on for the last couple of years since first hearing of JBT I have found that your being civil to him does not mean he will be in the slightest way civil back. He regards himself as a higher lifeform since since he has been on TV and he is a lawyer and he is this, that and the other.. and gamers are lower than pond-scum.
Not sure if you were around with the was the "Flowers for Jack" bit. Nice flowers, well thought out and civil letter. Jackie got them and forwarded them off with a note to the effect of grinding them up and smoking them. Claimed the flowers were harrashment. Sorry but No. JBT is a social leper, an outcast existing on the edges of polite society. Seems that since he is rarely given the respect HE thinks he deserves he will try to ruin it for everyone else. In a nutshell is he petty, shallow and self-serving.
While you intent might be good it is unlikely the results will be.
Could work. I heard once that Jack only started insulting someone when that person said he (the person) was a gamer.
Thanks. I was thinking of CC'ing it to Dennis, Tim Buckley of Ctrl-Alt-Del, and Scott Ramsoomair of VG Cats.
Anyone else?
JT could of course be trolling right now and just reading the comments, and seeing this decide to blow up on all the letters he gets assuming there's a chance that they came from a gamer who isn't saying they are one.
Whatever happens though be sure to let us know if anything interesting happens, and you have my vote for luck.
In that case I'd send you double luck (for the letter and the ability to write the letter), but I'm not sure I have enough luck to do that right now :P
W/e, hope everything goes well and you get something good to share with us.
I wouldn't. I suspect that being contacting him, and being civil, would only get you sued. There's an episode of South Park once where Jimmy and Timmy dominate the episode, and the usual headliner characters only show up 3 or 4 times long enough to do something of a recurring gag which is usually something like.
"What do you say we stay out of this one?"
"Don't touch it, just keep walking."
"Not getting into this one." ...etc...etc...
So I pass onto you the immortal wisdom of Stan Marsh. "Don't touch it, just keep walking."
He can't sue me if he doesn't know who I am. I'm gonna use a friend's e-mail to do it. Besides, he can't sue a minor. Not going into details, but that kinda defeats the purpose of suing me.
durn typos creeping in at the end of the work day.
Heck yes, I'd consider using two or three proxy addresses.
However, I stick to my original advice, "don't touch it, just keep walking".
Also, I call BS on his wife's cancer- he only plays that card when he wants leverage.
Whether it's true or not, I'm telling JT that we're all praying for her recovery.
consider that she's not touching his legal career with a 10-foot pole so far.
Anything else?
-Be as civil as possible (I really hate him)
-Do not mention that I am a gamer
-Tell him we know Patricia has cancer and that some of us (if not all) are praying for her recovery
Anything else?
EDIT: Damn thing word-wraps funny. Oh well.
Please review and advise.
I will send the e-mail tomorrow, if possible. Furthermore, I'm thinking of revising the subject.
Have people really expressed the desire to pray for Patricia, or are you just making up nonsense to suit your case?
And what’s with this talk about how he’s “done enough”? I don’t get it. The man has lost probably every case that mattered against games and who cares if he throws a few insults at (or “scorns”) gamers?
Why email him at all actually; does he matter that much to you?
In the end this whole mess with JT makes no sense. He’s likely one of the smallest threats to freedom of expression out there, yet everyone gets their panties in a twist whenever he’s on the air. It’s almost like many of you get some sort of sick fascination out of seeing a man who not only repeatedly humiliates himself, but is struggling for his job… How well adjusted is that, honestly?
Sure I agree that we should keep an eye on him for the very unlikely day he actually impacts gaming but don’t become fixated with him.
@LujanD
The reason I tried to e-mail him is because He should hear from someone who at least is trying to reach out to him. But since the e-mail failed it won't get to him.
@LujanD
The reason I tried to e-mail him is because He should hear from someone who at least is trying to reach out to him. But since the e-mail failed it won't get to him.
Furthermore, if you read all the comments in the JT category, I can assure you that in at least one of the more recent Blogs people have indeed expressed the desire to pray for Patricia.
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