
Watchdog group
Morality in Media marks the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre with a
press release in which MiM president Robert Peters (left) blames violent media for Hseung Hui Cho's murderous rampage.
Peters also refers to court rulings upholding the First Amendment as turning the Constitution into a "suicide pact."
From the press release:
Undoubtedly, there are loopholes in our nation's gun control laws that need plugging, but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem.
...the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults.
The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life. Surely, this was not the intent of our nation's founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a 'suicide pact.'
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I'm sure the founding fathers would agree with my thinking on Free Speech, and not yours.
What I am getting at is that lets victimize the perpetrator as a sad crazy man who got him some guns and went on a killing spree only to blame the guns for him being crazy or the media he consumed as some sad and shallow attempt to explain why humans can be vile.
Crazy is crazy is crazy a tool or weapon a book or video wil not remove that fact, intact I would wager it aids release of stress(in legal ways) more than it makes crazy people criminals.
I find this socially reprehensible, the eroding of (excuse the French) fucking personal accountability, he, although suffering from an illness, and perhaps being inspired by literature and shouldn't have a gun in his possession, made a choice to fire that gun, a premeditated choice.
Only that wanker is truly accountable, using a broken system to procure the means to do so.
Preventing another V-tech requires 2 things, an improved mental health system, & tighter gun laws, not the scapegoating of pop culture, which hasn't turned the masses into psychotic killlers...
Cho Seung Hui
Eric Harris
Dylan Klebold
Kip Kinkel
Jeff Weise
Ted Kaczinski
Michael McDermott
John Hinckley
Byran Uyesugi
Mark David Chapman
Charles Carl Roberts IV
All on potent psychotropics AFAIK.
Way to use the very tragic murders of 30+ people to further your own fucking agenda. Shitfuck, burn in hell, you cockmuncher. There, I'm practicing MY right to MY (and here's the key word) /FREE/ speech.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin, one of the greatest minds of our nations history.
"the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible [...]"
The keyword here is "also". He's not singling out violent culture as the sole cause of the shooting, he's trying to add it to the many causes that contributed, each in a different way, to the tragic events.
There is not a single issue, nor is there a single solution, and lambasting someone because he is focusing on one particular facet of the problem is being narrow-minded.
Of course it won't, but we need to make our voices heard too.
The first admendment is the foundation of every matter in our government. When people start talking about restricting the 1st admendment, it really worries me. These groups that try to resrict the 1st ad. in the name of morality don't know that if they are sucessful in placing heavy restrictions on the first admend., they would be placing this country's morality in serious danger. Without the ability to critize corruption, libel, and defamation; this country would fall about in a matter of a few weeks.
It upsets me seeing other christians attack the first admendment just hurts me emotionly. I don't mean to bring religion into this but, we (in our faith) believe that man is corrupt. Without being able to openly discuss how dark mans heart can get, chaos ensues. And the first admendment helps ensure the ability to talk openly about these things. This is where I have a strong disagreement with that man about the first admendment being a 'suicide pact'. These christian groups trying to restrict the first admendment would end up hurting christianity itself.
To him.
Even the purpose to look at things that 'glamorize' violence is stupid. There have been movies that pushed the limits of the cultural bounderies since the first motion picture.
Of course Christian wackos like these guys always blame "violent media" because of their refusal to believe that humans are capable of treating other humans like if they're a inferior race.
HA! Yeah, it's the video games, certainly not the butt-rape that's causing the decline of the church!
Did you read my earlier post on a *very* interesting sect of Buhddaism? That's a pretty cool religion.Hehhehheh....
TV? V-Chip and show ratings
Film? MPAA ratings and DVD parental controls
Music? Parental Advisory stickers
Video Games? Parental controls and game ratings.
It's not irresponsible to make these. It's irresponsible to criticize these as being irresponsible instead of looking at the REAL issues.
I remember reading an Uncle John's Bathroom Reader... one of the articles was about driving back when cars were first available to the public. There were doctors who claimed that women (just women) would lose brain equilibrium if they drove over 25 mph. And actually, when the car was starting to become widespread, the church dubbed it as evil. Of course, the automobile (whose name is a bastardization of two languages) has become an integral part of modern life.
These media haters don't have the basic grasp of cause and effect. Many elements in controversial media aren't a cause for bad things happening. They're often (not always) an effect of bad things happening. So instead of looking to the ROOT causes, they just find this scapegoat which is nothing more than effect.
And it, again, goes back to PARENTS. The problem is not that media exists, but rather that media is taking the place of parents for valuable life lessons. If I was growing up seeing nothing but violence, yeah, I might be violent too. But since I had parents to put things into CONTEXT, I grew up relatively well adjusted.
Parents: listen to what your kids listen to. Watch what your kids watch. Talk with your kids. The more levels of communcation that are up, the more likely your kids will come to you for help in difficult moral decisions. Don't blame media for your mistakes.
should be tagged in there somewhere.
oye, whats next for these people to attack when the games thing has died off?
any chance they'll take on the real threat? bad parenting and corrupt government?
hmm nah, on second thought, that'd be to easy to prove. We gotta stick with stuf that can be controversial and hard to prove.
Wow... in 1 sentence they were able to spew enough ignorance for the past century. Perhaps they should have included Jazz music, Interracial marriage, and gay pride.
This guy is an idiot with no regard for free speech.
How can he claim that entertainment media are recklessly harming human life? Hell, Cho wasn't into violent video games and stuff, so why would reporting on "the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults."
"…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults."
THAT's the quote I wanted.
I am sure they will claim that this makes you program your brain to always want to kill our something along that sort...
Oh, by the way. Robert is a complete dick for seizing upon the anniversary of a horrific event to further his agenda.
There are my unasked two-cents.
Acknowledging that there are "loopholes" in gun control laws and then going into a rant about the dangers of video games makes this peice seem almost ironic. Even if you want to believe that Cho was inspired to murder by Sonic the Hedghog (that was the game referenced in the final report, wasn't it?), he still couldn't have pulled it off without convenient access to guns.
If the media wants to report on irresponsibility, then maybe they should focus onn the irresponsible parents who let their kids watch/listen to/play forms of entertainment made for adults. The world is not made of Nerf, and not all of it is (or should be) appropriate for kids.
Wow, bold statement. I seriously doubt ANY employee within the videogames sector has "a reckless disregard for human life". We're geeks, for crissakes - not sociopaths!
You sir are a fat fat fat fat lard bucket who deserves to crawl back to the depths of heck from whence you came. 31 people killed and you want to use this as a launchpad for your political issues?
Well then you ambulance chasing tub of fat, you are a sick human being on the level of Hitler for doing so.
This time of year we should ask for the souls of those taken away so prematurely rest in peace, we should never forget nor should we use this as a weapon against others. The man who performed the shooting was sick in the head, do not blame guns or games or the media in fact dont blame anyone at all.
What happened to the time where the killers were blamed for the crimes they committed? Now parents groups, media enforcement groups all want a piece of the so called violent media. These people are inconsiderate and disrespectful to those who perished.
So Mr.Media Prez. please for the benefit of this planet go dig a hole and stay there for the rest of eternity.
What in the world does he mean by that? Of course he is an idiot. AS far as I know, the Supreme Court has yet to rule on anything regarding violent media.
So much for that argument.
Additionally... Where the hell is this guy getting his statistics on gun violence? It's been going down for a while, last I checked. What a sensationalist jackass.
It's not guns, it's not video games. It's a system which fails people. ALL of these people should have been seen as troubled and all of them should have gotten helped long before they snapped. They are tragedies in the truest sense of the word because they could have and should have been prevented had those that known the killers just been more observant.
We’re geeks, for crissakes - not sociopaths!
I resent the inference that those two things are mutually exclusive, I sir/madam/MrGarrison (Circle where appropriate) happen to be BOTH!
As much as a reactionary massacre-profiting tool as this guy is, he may have a point. Think about the american constitution:
The first amendment guarantees free speech thereby allowing the creation of this suicide cult
The second permits the legal ownership of the guns used in such suicides that somehow manage (presumably through bad aim) to take out 30 other people first.
Isn't there also an amendment to guarantee you a trial by peers (AKA: Other sociopathic murdering gamers)?
Damn man, they create the cult, arm them & then give them a way to get off scott free by stacking the jury?? My god its a conspiracy of Thompsonistic proportions!
Do these people actually listen to themselves, even if all the evidance wasn't against them, there redicouls statments would make it seem like there crazy to begin.
it's scary to thing these people are wanting to be the moral compass for society at large isn't it?
Sorry bout my spelling. It's 5 am and i've not slept yet
Ummm, wasn't Cho mentally unbalanced? I'd say arming a fucking sociopath with violent tendacies in his past and a general disconnect with reality would be priority number 1. After all, this kid wasn't a gamer, he was a fucking playwrite. Quick, someone tell it on the mountains, West Side Story is a terrible influence on our children!
Shocking!
Why does the industry sit and do nothing. Admittedly, in this case, this guy is just venting an opinion, moronic though it may be. but I can't fault the man for that, after all, he's not threatening lawsuits or specificly blaming anyone.
But, why is there no counter release from the industry, why no one saying "Hey, you got no evidance to back up your wild claims, we do have evidence that shows your wrong however."
Just a question, but, i'd like the industry to do something other then sit on it's rear like it always does.
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Because it's easier and acomplishes the same thing. They also don't want to risk making a martyr of one of those advocates.
I'm canadian, so I can't really comment on the first amendment intelligently.
I am happy he is not manipulating his organization to attack video games in a real sense, but lots of people trust what he says. That statement may carry some weight with a lot of people. Yuki is right, the video game industry should shoot this one out of the sky.
Columbine...
Point is: Yes media of all forms can depict violence. Yes there are tools that make violence easier to carry out. But the truth of the matter is…not one of them force anyone to commit any action against another. It is the individual who committed the crime that should be blamed. I really whish people would stop trying to hold anyone or thing else accountable for the actions of a free willed person. It was said person who thought about and carried out the crime. At no point did anyone or thing force them to kill.
I think its time we start, oh I don’t know, actually holding the COMMITTER of the CRIME responsible. Rather than trying to blame someone else, these people should just accept the fact that you know, there are some fracked up people who are just plain evil or psychotic and would have done this even if they were in a bubble their whole life.
Its just so ridiculous how far some people will go to blame others and try to make a buck. And its even sadder how many will blindly follow. Sheep -_-
Grrrrrrrrr!
I said it once and I WILL say it again. In the late 1800s to early 1900s kids as young as TEN has fired a gun frequently. It's like they are throwing history to the wind and mocking it.
"…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young
adults."
Our most violent time has passed. I don't care what anybody says. Sure there still is Violence but considering of what happen before this is nothing compared to the World history of Violence. We are taught about violence at a young age by the teaching of history of the world through schools. Notice how they said rap music when every other music is just as bad hell listen to Cannibal Corpse for a chance those lyrics are messed up.
I could go on but I don't really want to
This twit doesn't understand what the point of free speech is. It's not to protect speech you agree with, it's to protect speech you dislike. And while some may argue that it was only intended for "printed and spoken" material (ie speech and the press), that's all the media they had at the time. It would be like guaranteeing freedom of speech, press, music, moving pictures, interactive entertainment, and flagdar, so it's covered as soon as they invent flagdar, whatever it may be.
and he should also reconsider his blind adherance to views that are not supported by any fact, and in the specific case he talks of, are completely disproved by the official enquiry, infact finding evidence to the contrary!
wow this is frustrating
And what about the gun violence when we were growing up? GI Joe, the original Transformers, Mask, Star Wars, Star Trek, the original Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, etc? What about cap guns? What about the Lone Ranger?
The hippocracy shown is astounding. Alarmists attempt to villify the Wii Blaster while the have no problem with the Super Soaker, cap guns, Nerf Guns, Air Soft guns, etc... You try telling me the Super Soaker isn't interactive? Oh, but that is just good clean fun! What about the one that was made specifically to put ice in it, the Arctic Blaster or some such nonsence? I wouldn't want to get shot with that.
Are you trying to tell me a child knows they shouldn't shoot a person in a nice suit with a water gun, but somehow a 16 year old doesn't know they shouldn't shoot their classmates with a real gun?
It's about time they need to start sepperating people who commit crimes from the victims. They knew they weren't supposed to shoot the people, they knew what they were doing. No one MADE them do anything. You can't take the fact that they killed someone as proof that they were insane. And if you offered them the Twinkie Defense and said that it had a 95% success rate, they would take the Twinkie Defense.
A person grabbing some reason why they aren't responsible for their own actions is human nature. From the three year old who said it wasn't his fault for hitting the teacher because the teacher was mean all the way to the 98 year old who says it's not their fault for shoplifting since the prices are so high now.
In short, you give a murderer a scapegoat of videogames, they will jump for it. If the murderer is already dead then a politician will walk over the corpse to jump for it.
Yup, that about sums it up... I like to add the term 'self-appointed' to the front of the description though, as it is usually more honest.
the problem is the moralist mentality is because it appers to be bad it must be thus ban it.
The reality here is that for generations our children have been exposed to violence either in story, song, on television, church, or real life itself. And it would appear society's still intact.
Who gave these morality police the idea that what we all want is to have a strict guideline of what is "good" or "bad" set in stone by the goverment where parents aren't allowed to use their best judgement to do what is right for their children based on their own beliefs and not the beliefs of others?
The first amendment protects our nation from potential dictators who would take office and regulate the media, and impose their own moral/religious beliefs on others by force. In short the founding fathers intended the first amendment to protect the people from groups like Morality in Media, not to be a suicide pact.
I'm sure they realize that. Thing is, a watchdog group is only valuable if there's somthing to watch in the first place.
In honest, I'd rather criticize the 19th Amendment instead.
And while I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by the stance of the head of a group called Morality in Media, it'd be much more refreshing if someone would start a dialog on how the rise in school shootings is the result of numerous interrelated factors, not just GTA and guns.
If for some reason you really can't do that, blame his illness.
If that's not good enough, blame whoever failed to do a proper background check and sold a gun to someone with a known mental illness.
Please, someone think of the hedgehogs.
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The Jeffy had it right. The founding fathers would be shocked by how much values have changed since their time, but they'd agree with us. The basis for the First Amendment has not changed. This quote isn't from a founding father, it's from a Evelyn Hall, but it still applies:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Finally... we live in a culture of violence? Look at history and tell me that again with a straight face. Look at the crusades, the bloody revolutions, the wars of the middle ages. As Grizzam pointed out, we live in a culture of FAKE violence. Most Americans, myself included, don't know what real violence is. We can only understand it on the most basic level. The only ones who understand REAL violence are the people who have lived through it. Thankfully, we live in a time where most people don't have to understand it.
uhg I has not had enough coffee this morning,let me rephrase that last one.
Moralists get all a tither with things they do not like and see them as "bad" because it gives the appearance as "bad" they must ban them.
or are you saying I should be banned for another reason? :P
GRIZZAM
Its more about control, moralists need to assert their view of things on others, violence may only be used from their approved subjects everything else is bad because they deem it so, humans what "fun" lil creatures they are..
Well, then we have the right to say we aren´t agree with him because he is saying lies about free speech.
Also, I think he is an attention whore, ambulance chaser and a douchebag...
Mr. Peters may think that his cause is just, but he has 364 other days in which he could promote his viewpoint. Using today is inappropriate grandstanding of the highest order, and disrespectful to the dead, the wounded, their families, and the VT community.
Nah, that was just my lame attempt at humour. Your posts are a bit like a good puzzle game - initially a frustrating challenge, but more often than not worth the effort ;)
@ beacon80
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE HEDGEHOGS???
mew bum raping grammar doth not halps it >>
working on it but ti still takes me a month or 3 to write something simi coherent
http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/art/Zippy-Book-prolouge-77989827
and even then you want to drop yer eyes in bleach to feel clean again 0-o
'Gun mayhem' is a fun statment.
OldBoy's fucking awesome. Great horror movie.
becuse people like to complain, as you well know ^^
All I'm saying is, let's be fair and include all forms of violence. Not just those this wacko sees from on top his high horse.
I guess in this guy's perfect world Thomas Paine would never have dared publish "Common Sense" because it would have been "dangerous"
Ya know, whenever I see people like this on TV I can't help but think of the "Operative" from Serenity, ya know, the guy who just unthinkingly followed his orders to try and create his "World without sin".
Hehehe, totally.
But didn't you know...the Bible is infallible...it's all the exact words of God...
I'm a faithful and religious Catholic but even I know that's bull. I wonder if that guy has ever read "Song of Solomon" or "Song of Songs" (depending on your version of the Bible) it's pretty racy.
"Your breasts are like the fruit of a great tree and I will climb the tree..." just a small sample.
I love the "We should just follow the Bible" crowd, ok I guess they're the first to volunteer to be thrown into a furnace (Book of Daniel) or any of the other violent things.
I think you just converted me.
/sarcasm off
seriously though, this guy sounds a few fries short of a happy meal... like a whole container's worth. I find these "morality" groups are usually pretty hypocritical, they claim to respect freedom of speech yet want to get rid of it, yet it's that same freedom of speech that lets them become a rabid mass of protesters frothing at the mouth at the mere idea of a child playing video games. We all agree violent games shouldn't be sold to kids, but at the same time we take games away from them we'd have to take away the 6 o'clock news, music, novels and movies, oh and you can't forget comics. It's up to the parents to decide what's right for their kids, not these media watchdogs, granted some of them are too bad, but a majority of them are wound so tight I'm surprised one of their members don't snap and head up to a bell tower with a high powered sniper rifle picking off anyone unlucky enough to be seen playing a DS or PSP as they walk.
V-Tech was a horrible tragedy, but blame Cho, blame all the others who have taken a life, blame their parents, their apathetic teachers who never tried to help them or stop the bullies, these are the people who deserve the blame. There's more than enough blame to share, and it doesn't all belong on one single aspect of these people's lives. "video games made me do it" should not become a viable defense strategy in court. Now insanity I could see, because if you consider using the video game defense you obviously aren't in your right mind.
We shouldn't blame the bible or anything else for violence. Things don't start it, people start it.
Nobody ever bitches about country music...
The real problem is that we've become a society who would rather place blame than accept it. I suppose it might even be part of the grieving process that some families involved in tragedies like V-Tech must go through in order to heal emotionally and move on.
However this does not excuse the number of people who have no involvement with such tragedies from using it as an excuse. A way to say "Society might be to blame, but it's not my fault because I have higher moral values than that..."
Today people blame others for almost everything, get in a car accident? Good luck getting the person at fault to fess up, you need a witness to back your story. Got drunk & fell down on your way home as you exited the bar? Must be the bars fault for not cutting you off earlier. Burn your mouth on some java? Oh that's McDonalds fault for not letting you know that it was HOT.
We have allowed fears of getting in trouble and the potential to make large amounts of money from lawsuits prevent us from accepting responsibility and trying to make things right when we are proven wrong, or do something stupid. And don't get me started on the politicians who constantly use finger pointing to get an edge up on their opponents, they all make me sick.
You mean South Korea? (Cho lived there until he was eight.)
Also: first amendment suicide pact, eh? I guess they should've called the movie "Live Free And Die."
No, no, no. You don't get it. They don't like the first amendment. It prevents
them from putting up the Ten Commandments on public property and allows "liberals" to brainwash the population.
The second amendment on the other hand, is actually pretty awesome. It lets people to carry guns. As we all know, guns don't kill people, the liberal media that preaches violence kills people.
They also don't like the 4th, 5th or 9th amendments as it prevents the government from illegally spying on people, being tried by military tribunal or being held without due cause. (oh... uh... wait a second...)
Seriously though, I think that this guy really underplays the "loopholes in our nation’s gun control laws" that allowed for Hseung Hui Cho to purchase guns. Perhaps we should first prevent people with questionable psychological integrity from purchasing guns, then speculate about the root cause of violence.
You know, funny thing about gun control. If you prevent people from purchasing guns legally, what does that do, in all honesty? Would it prevent criminals from getting guns? Would it prevent law-abiding citizens from purchasing guns? Would it in some way prevent someone from becoming a criminal? Gun control promotes a false sense of security in my experience.
I'd actually comment something about the context of the topic of discussion, but there is little I could say that hasn't already been said. V-Tech was not caused or even connected to video games, period, short of the rantings of a raving lunatic from Miami, and anyone who follows his credo might need to look at reevaluating their position on life as that particular lunatic's time of being relevant is coming quickly to a close.
However, I think the requirements to GET a gun are ludicrously inadequate at the moment. People pussyfoot around the idea of a psychological exam being a part of the application process. I am dumbfounded that it isn't already (I mean sit down with a psych and really evaluate the person, not answer a 10-question "do you plan to kill your neighbors with this gun" quiz that the clerk keeps a stack of behind the counter next to a tin of pencils). And the penalties for possessing a gun illegally should be extremely harsh as well.
Can guns be used and owned legitimately by private citizens? Certainly. Does easy access to guns contribute to school shootings? Absolutely. The thing is, it contributes to the degree of carnage that the shooter can cause when he snaps; it does NOT contribute to the actual snapping. Guns aren't making anyone kill anyone else, they're simply making it easier when disturbed individuals decide to kill someone. If it hadn't been a gun, I'm sure Cho would've either tried to rig an IED or gone around with some kind of blade and cut as many people as he could before being subdued.
This guy should go read the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers sometime. It was very much the Founders' intent that the Constitution be a "suicide pact."
"the killer who made a bloody wreck of Virginia Tech used the 'weapon of choice' seen in rap videos and action films."
What? The Glock? Those also happen to be the 'weapon of choice' for a majority of law enforcement, and for a large portion of the civilian handgun market. This isn't because they're in action movies, but because they are a quality product with legendary reliability. Ford makes several cars which are a 'vehicle of choice' in action movies, but do we blame the movies when someone uses a Ford to run from police, get in an accident, or whatever?
Thats very true and I agree, if guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have them. Yet, it would be wise to exercise some degree of prudence when selling weapons. A more thorough back ground check (that is within constitutional grounds) might have forced Hseung Hui Cho to go underground to purchase a firearms. Hopefully, that isn't too easy.
This is really all he needed to say.
but in remembering that the Virginia Tech killer used guns to slaughter fellow students, we should also remember that the killer grew up in a culture that glamorizes and even celebrates gun mayhem.
Firstly, the Virginia Tech killer was a PSYCHOPATH. It didn't matter where he grew up. He was going to kill someone at some point.
Secondly, American culture doesn't celebrate "gun mayhem". If it did, there'd be no gun laws.
As for glamorization, yes, there is some of that. But in the Virginia Tech killer's case, that was completely irrelevant.
…the media [V-Tech anniversary coverage] should also be reporting on the irresponsible TV shows, films, rap lyrics and video games released in the past year that wallow in deadly gun violence and that are popular among children and young adults.
Or, perhaps they could focus on addressing how to cure what ails us.
The media should also reconsider its blind adherence to modernistic Supreme Court decisions that have made it almost impossible to hold entertainment media companies responsible for harm caused by their reckless disregard for human life.
Ah shit, where do I start on this one?
1) The Supreme Court upholding the First Amendment isn't even remotely "modernistic".
2) Entertainment companies don't have a "reckless disregard for human life". If they did, we'd have nothing but movies and TV shows where real life people are actually killed instead of pretending to be killed.
3) No one's ever proven that entertainment media causes anyone harm.
4) Even if the CEO of Paramount Studios went on a rampage and killed a bunch of people, he wouldn't, couldn't, and shouldn't be held accountable for someone who was murdered a thousand miles away after watching a violent Paramount-produced film.
Surely, this was not the intent of our nation’s founding fathers, which never meant for the Constitution to become a ’suicide pact.’
Well, it hasn't. So this guy FAILS.
Interesting you mention violence in cartoons. Saw something on Boomerang last night that annoyed me. One of the old Looney Toons (one of the side ones, no major characters) was cut. An anvil was dropped on a singing dog. They showed the guy dropping the anvil, they showed the dog gettting unsmooshed. They did not show the impact or the falling.
Yeah, that's just silly what he was saying.
That's EXACTLY what I pointed out on my last post!
About the psychotropics being an issue? I didn't see any posts by you aside from this one.
Front page of Dayton Daily News: "Should students be allowed to carry guns on campus?". A group of students think they and anyone should be allowed to carry guns on campus for self protection.
Not video game related, but I thought it was kinda intresting.
Well, there is a certain truth behind the notion that a real fast deterrent to people using firearms violently is if others can also pull out their own. For example, muggers would be less-inclined to do so if that 80-year-old woman they were going to mug pulled out a .45 she's been practicing with since she was 6. Someone robbing a liquor store would be less inclined to do so if half the customers pulled out guns and pointed them at him. I'm not saying this is necessarily the *best* solution, but getting shot at is a major deterrent for these kinds of things.
The big problem I'd say is less that people have guns, and more that there are a lot of people who have access to guns but don't know how to respect them and/or properly use & care for them. There is a *lot* of responsibility that is required for having something so dangerous. People should be taught, early on, about safety and care for firearms, I believe. Build respect for the weapons, and eliminate the fear of them. But I'd say that there should be some kind of licensing & control over them, to a degree. But that licensing/control should never be done out of fear based on criminals using the weapons and trying to "protect people" from it... that's just plain stupidity when you look at the situation.
Cho, quite honestly, would have not gotten too far with his rampage if there were others who were far more qualified to use a weapon, and were armed. Rather than mourning the deaths of a number of innocents who were killed, instead Cho would have been probably killed or potentially just maimed and/or disarmed quickly.
That's assuming there's no such thing as evil.
and those cartoons, many of'em anyways, were taken off the air for being to "violent" believe it or not!
Transformers, and Gi Joe both got canned cause of "violence"
many of the old toons that we knew growing up either got censored in newer versions, or flat out "banned" from being aired.
and Sesame Street has an "recommended for adult audiences only" sticker on the DVD's cause Elmo had ADHD, Oscar was depressed, Bert and ernie are gay, and they portray young kids talking to random strangers and going home with them.
hmmm wow, ya know, as a kid i never once took notice of any of that cause i really had no idea.
and i can't say i've been affected, let alone care for any of it :/
“Problems at home, problems at school, problems at work, problems with girl and boyfriends, difficulty getting along with other people in general and mental illness are nothing new, and cannot be the primary explanation for mass murders by so many minors and adults."
Oh so mental illness, broken homes, abusive families, bad relationships, bullies, poverty, and stressful situations won't cause someone to pick up a gun and shoot people but playing Bioshock, listening to 50 Cent, or watching The Matrix will? Interesting cause violent crime has been dropping over the years and mass murder is not new and neither is school violence. Fourty years ago before video games, rap music, or modern horror/action movies ever existed we had some psycho go up on a clock tower with a Sniper Rifle and kill a ton of people. What influenced him Mr.Roberts? Please tell me. This man makes me sick, he's an ambulence chaser like Jack Thompson. Oh yeah and this asshole actually thinks the Hays Code was a great thing to have. The Hays Code is often viewed as a symbol of censorship and oppression. Thank God I didn't grow up in that era.
Did you know the Hays code forbid showing utters. UTTERS! AS IN COW TIT! WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT?!
Can somebody please explain to him that pixels are not living tissue and aren't even real.
The man is a technophone. And a jackass. Not just a game hater.
The Founding Fathers wrote the First Amendment because they didn't wan't religious zealous and tyrants to be able to make restrictions on what free people choose to speak about, write about, paint, portray, or otherwise use to express their thoughts and ideas.
Hypocrite wannabe media censors shouldn't even be allowed to make blanket statements about the intentions of the authors of the Constitution, but they have every right to do so. It's the same right that lets me call the censorclowns a bunch of pricktickling nutsack shitlicking polesmokers. Just look at that dude's picture, it should be in the uncyclopedia under the entry for Salad Tosser.
Mass-murder is new? What influenced this guy Mr.Roberts? Was it Bioshock and GTA? Was it Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent? Was it Natural Born Killers and the Basketball Diaries? Oh wait those didn't exist back then? I wonder it could be cuz mental illness, family problems, bad childhoods, poverty, and abuse don't cause people to committ mass murder.
Well he obviously invented a time machine and went into the future and played video games. DUH.
matthew 7:15-23
Go say your stuff to his family's faces. I dare you.
Given how this crackpot thinks, I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with a theory like that. Read his report on his website on mass murder. He also blames the media's portrayal of religion and of good and evil for the decline of the church and the rebellious attitude of some people.
No Mr.Roberts people like YOU are responsible for the decline of the church. Crackpots like you who try to force your beliefs on others don't do your religion any favors. And given the recent headlines about Islamic Terrorists and sex scandals in the Catholic church and most recently the polegamy scandal involving underage girls, it shouldn't be a surprise that religious figures are often portrayed negatively.
He also complains about how authority figures are often demonized and how the lines between good and evil are often blurred. Wake up Mr.Roberts! Things aren't always black and white and again given the recent climate of political corruption and police brutality it shouldn't be a surprise. This man is a fanatic and technophobe who is stuck in the 1950s. He doesn't like violence and doesn't like when religious figures or people in authority are portrayed negatively. Oh who am I kidding, this idiot wants a constitutional amendment to "protect" children from violent entertainment.
I always have wondered wether or not ther families think of them like crazy drunks. Just nod and smile!
i avoid it cause it lies to itself imo...
man cannot speak for god, but the bible is gods word written by MAN and as translated by MAN, and therefore is NOT the word of god, but is totally preached as the word of god, despite how twisted it has become.
then theres the "shall not worship any god over me" bit.. question... is Jesus the SON of god, or god himself? he can't be both, and either way, he was a MAN, and therefore cannot speak for god.
honestly those are my unanswered questions that keeps me from seeing point in religion... thats my excuse, whats yers? :p
i think i'll take up Rimmers religion and become a 7th day hoppist.
(anyone catching that reference?)
because they should not be reminded of how stupid people really are.
The worst thing they want to see is a mad person like this guy spouting words of hate on TV, this is the same thing that happened last year.
I have sorrow in my heart for these families, for the survivors, for those who never got that last chance....to say good bye, or I love you to family and loved ones.
/beginrant
And now, as it was, in the savage year of our lord 2001, when the towers fell, aka when the fun stopped, we have something else to blame in the wake of horrible tragedy, be it Terrorism, Video Games, Movies, Rap Lyrics, Shock Jock Radio DJ's, and of course don't forget those horrible things called comic books.
And we watch this all and understand that many of us agree with one another on this subject that one is responsible for one's own actions. Nothing makes you do anything.
I find it reprehensible that we have to pass this blame off and everyone immediately jumps at the sign of tragedy, well its his/her/its fault NOT MINE!
We are losing the ideals that have been instilled in most of us since birth. When something happens that we caused, we owned up to it.
Why now in this day and age does everything have to be the fault of this or that...McDonalds made me fat, Smoking gave me cancer, alcohol destroyed my liver, etc and so on.
Ye Gods! When did it turn to this can someone please tell me?
/endrant
Why single out rap lyrics, i know that there is violence in some of the rappers lyrics today but rap is not the only genre of music that has lyrics featuring violence. go down to the cd shop tommorrow and walk towards the heavy metal section, and pick it up and read the sticker.
Go into the Country music section as well. Just because there's no PA stickers on them doesn't mean that some songs don't have violent lyrics as well.
The terms of my lease- Not a suicide paaaaaaaaact!