Yeah, I am not a fan of anyone j-off who has a "holier than thou" attitude.

I really hate it when the same j-offs knock on my door around 8am on sunday morning wielding the 1 billionth addition of their version of the bible and tell me I am doing things wrong. Although, I do find it funny when they go home crying after about an hour of playing "explain your nonsense".

I wouldn't be surprised if my mother was in one of these groups...she's such a fucking conservative...

http://www.timothyplan.com/Download/HallofShame.pdf

The Wall of Shame leaves them with no big companies to work with!!

But still, thats their pregogative... just as long as they don't step on anyone elses!

[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThe Timothy Plan, a Maitland, Florida-based mutual fund group which offers a “biblical choice when it comes to investing,” has issued a press release slamming Take Two Interactive (NASDAQ: TTWO), publisher of Grand Theft Auto IV. From the release: Take-Two Interactive… has done it again, releasing another video game that contains extreme sexual and violent content… Beyond the intense violence, blood and mayhem, during the game the character can have sex with prostitutes, visit adult clubs, request a private lap dance and drive drunk. [...]

S'kay, I wouldn't do business with bigot run groups, such as the Timothy Plan.

So there!

(And, once again, I notice a complaint by someone who screams about boys kissing boys in Bully but nothing about women kissing women in Mass Effect.)

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software

Sigh...just another (richer) JT alike

Yeah..When was I supposed to care?

Rofl, their hall of shame has Coca-Cola on it because they support gay rights in the workplace. They should put themselves on that list for supporting hate speech.

"While the ESRB system is a step in the right direction, the ratings are confusing and incomplete at best."

Rated Mature:
Violence
Sexual Themes

WHAT COULD IT POSSIBLY MEAN?! :|

LOL Geno, so true....

"how many violent films and projects do they invest in? are they hypocrites?"

It doesn't look like they invest in the media industry at all (from what I read in their annual report), so this looks like a pure PR campaign to take advantage of GTAIV's hype to sell themselves.

@Jeff M.

More Cowbell.

"While the ESRB system is a step in the right direction, the ratings are confusing and incomplete at best."

M Mature 17+
Blood
Intense Violence
Partial Nudity
Strong Language
Strong Sexual Conduct
Use of Drugs and Alcohol

And what, exactly, is complicating and confusing about these discriptions. Are they stupid?

*shakes head* I shall comment no further... he disgusts me...

@Ken i vote for licking not kissing......................

I think he's just upset that the ESRB doesn't tell you what Biblical Commandments you'd be breaking in playing the game. How about the one that decrees, that if you sell your daughter as a sex slave, and the person who buys her is unsatisfied with her services then you are to give him a refund.

My guess is that nobody actually reads the Bible.

why do they even release this press document in the first place if they whine about GTA ?! To make people aware of the existence of their group ?

I just checked their Hall of shame and what irritate me the most is their way of expressing their conservative christian views. If christian religion is that strict, christians might as well put themselves into cryo-sleep until their deaths. They cannot do anything fun ! poor people.:(

Lol @ the Christian idiots.
Like anyone cares what they think.

“biblical choice when it comes to investing”

What the hell does that even mean? Do they give you thirty pieces of silver if you betray your old investors by coming over to them?

You know what's ironic? This guy probably made his Hall of Shame on a Windows computer running on electricity from GE. What a joke. If he doesn't want to invest in these companies he doesn't have to. We also don't have to listen to anything he says.

"While the ESRB system is a step in the right direction, the ratings are confusing and incomplete at best."

You're hitting the oldest bell there is. This concern has been more than adequately addressed already to equally ignorant people. Also, that lists of "Hall of Shame" companies is very trendy... I'd like to see how they screen the less well-know money makers.

See? Jack Thompson's not the only one who knows how to do it. Riding on the coattails of popularity through controversy.

"Beyond the intense violence, blood and mayhem, during the game the character can have sex with prostitutes, visit adult clubs, request a private lap dance and drive drunk."

For a game that is not released yet, he seems to "know" an awful lot about GTA4 to make claims like that. To that, I say:

POST PROOF OR RETRACT.

I am not saying he's wrong, I'm actually pretty sure that most of that is in the game. However, I'm waaay beyond tired of these organisations and individuals making baseless claims without anyone making them provide PROOF to back it up, and yet they're still taken seriously. They don't need to provide diagrams, videos or pictures of the "obscene" material, all I ask is to include a quote from a developer/publisher or a link to factual evidence that can back up the statements.

Also, I like the last paragraph where he plugs himself for potential interviews and talkshows. Give me a break.

Oh, and what the fuck do videogames have to do with morals? Videogames are here to entertain, not to instill morals into the children of the world. IF YOU GET YOUR MORALS FROM A GAME, YOU'RE AN IDIOT. The end.

Mr. Ally, I have one hell of a solid business proposal for you. You should invest in :
LEFT BEHIND GAMES!!! 0,012$ each share, it's one hell of a deal! Now that is a biblical choice!

Get it while you still can, who knows, it just might cost twice the price tomorrow (I mean, it "could" be worth a cent more tomorrow)

HA morally responsible mutual fund thats just funny. I wonder if these people put money into Oral Roberts University, the Center for Intelligent Design, trinity broadcasting, and etc.

I want to bash this useless human being so bad...

@handofcrom
You are taking that too literally, read the whole book and you will understand. Please do not attack someone's religion just to make yourself look cool. You look ignorant in reality.

However, I think The Timothy Plan is ridiculous, they are hypocrites, but not for the reasons handofcrom cited.

I guess it would depend on which version of "the good book" he read.

That is true, for most, the core values are all the same, however, so it is hard to misinterpret this section in particular. I think how you wield the information you find there depends on if your mindset, if you want to be 'holier than thou', you can find the right info. The same if so for any other goal you have.

If you need to ask that question, it would probably be best to contact an investment firm like Fidelity or TG Waterhouse or whatever they are called now.

I just thought of something.

Arthur Ally mentioned that the ESRB ratings are incomplete yet he never says a word on how "Unrated" dvds are truly unrated which is also true for a lot of movies that are shown on movie service companies on cable and satellite like HBO/Cinemax, Starz, and Showtime (a lot of the adult programming on Skinemax has a rating of NR or Not Rated) and books have no rating system at all.

i think it's a good thing. people are trying to use their money to support what they think is important.

What is it about Florida that attracts these guys?

And he is investing in what? Real Estate, Oil, Energy? I'm sure something morally upstanding enough for right wing money.

a "biblical" choice for investing? That is just... so.. urgh.

I hate when organizations like this hide behind the word "family", it's usually because they hate anything and anyone who doesn't align with their narrow beliefs (and of course, case and point, they're usually vehemently anti-gay.)

@nightwing


You didn't notice anyone reacting to Mass Effect?!
Not even the sensationalist,fraudulent lie story Fox News did on it in February(of which I saw on Youtube,thanks to GI bringing it up on a link)?!

In the UK, tabloids would slam him for the homophobic remarks about Bully.

But I find it incredible that just across the atlantic, a man can slam a video game because it contains possible homosexuality - and probably have quite a few people agree with him.

@MonkeyPeaches:

> anyone know where I can buy Take-Two stock?

Um, e*trade? Their ticker is TTWO. You missed the bargain though, but it might still be a good buy considering the potential acquisition (which usually sends stock in the smaller company up) and the release of a hot product.

Still not sure I'd call 'em a long-term proposition tho.

Their "Hall of Shame" is pretty odd. There are a couple Beer companies on there but not all of the alcohol companies. It doesn't seem as if making alcohol alone is enough to be on their "hall of shame" nor is only tobacco (Funny I don't recall much in the bible about smoking but then again I do remember drinking alcohol being brought up a time or two...). But if you sell tobacco and alcohol you are.

Even with that it is odd that the Central European Distribution Corporation is on there since it doesn't even have an entry on Wikipedia and from what I can gather only sells alcohol and tobacco in Poland.

P.S: People like him give Christians (like me) a bad rap. :(

“biblical choice when it comes to investing,”


Funniest thing I've heard all day!!

Makes me wonder if this is just some random group who wants some media attention.

“biblical choice when it comes to investing,”

Did the bible even include a "how to" guide for Biblical investing? If it did I sure a LOT of people would be rich because of the lines that say "Invest in IBM on this date and Mircosoft of this day"

According to the Christian Bible, there is no "morally responsible" way to invest, as that would make you a lender, which is one of the two things (borrower being the other) that you should never be. Given this, it seems to me that this guy is just a clown and probably a friend of Jacko's trying to create negative attention for GTA since Jacko is prohibited from doing so by a previous and legally binding arrangement.

Personally, I wouldn't let Timmy here use a dime of my money to invest.

The Biblical choice to investing? No thanks, I'll use the Aquaman method!(Invest in fish, then get your comic cancelled) :D

@ Grizzam

Your forgetting Aquaman got his hand cut off when put in the WORST GAME EVER.

@Ebonheart

Yeah. Not even Peter David can make him cool.

My rule of thumb with anyone who claims to be with "family values" and is anti-homosexual: Family Values really means: KILL THEM HOMOS! How do I know? Gore Vidal told thee so in double speak so it must be true.

Morally Responsible? More like morally vile to me. I'm not a fan of GTA IV or M-rated games; but this mutual plan smacks me as absolutely absurd, vile, barbaric and stupid. Makes GTA IV look like a saint in comparison which I personally think is a scary thought in itself.

Screw you Timothy Plan; and your little vile god too.

Let me appologize for their attitude. I promise you, there is nothing "Biblical" in their decision. Don't hate God for what hypocrites do in His name.

All through out history, all the major leaders have claimed "God's Call" or the "Will of the Gods" to justify their crimes and conquests. What better way to get people behind you? If they don't trust you, they'll certainly trust "their god."

"The Timothy Plan, a morally responsible family of mutual funds, refuses to invest in companies like Take-Two Interactive because of their involvement in the anti-family entertainment and pornography industry."

Then don't. It's not like they actually need you to do so.

You have as much freedom to not invest as much as they have to make their games.

@NeW SpEcTrUM

Yeah, I got family that's like that too(more the liberal kind though). It sucks ass. Still family though, no matter how misguided they are.

Who cares what he thinks anyway.

Strong Christian Values makes you look like you think you are better than everyone.

I am sure Jesus was not like that.

I remember a scene in the bible how when Jesus was at a banquet at someone's house and it had everyone in the village.

While many of his deciples were eating with the Priests and the Strong Religious people, Jesus was eating and taking with many of the lower common people who were prostitutes, adultrists, tex collectors, and other such people that many of the Hightly Religious people thought who lived a life of Sin.

When many of the Priests and Hightly Religious people looked at Jesus and found out that he was talking to people who were seen as sinfull people, they were shocked and upset.

But when Jesus came over, he explained that he wanted to talk to those people who were sinful.

Now from what I heard from other people about the Bible, they said that Jesus was talking to people who committed sin so he could tell them that by beliveing in him, they could be saved.

Now that is just some people's interpretation of the Bible.

For me, I interpret it as not of Jesus trying to convert sinful people into Christians, but I see this as a way that even though Jesus may not really like those types of people who commit sin in their lives, but he still respects people for who they are no matter what type of sin they have previously committed in their lives.

So yeah, I would say this sort of thing about conservatives is that sometimes they think they have read the Bible and know it, but in reality they forget about what Jesus did,

If Jesus was alive, he would not judge Grand Theft Auto 4, instead he will play it and try to do all the good things in that game and he would really have a good time playing it.

Ofcourse you can chose to do all the bad things in the game, but it is your choise if you wanted to do that.

You are never really forced to do that unless if it is a major part of the storyline that can't be avoided but you can almost forgive the game for doing so.

Any other sinful things that happen in the game is done by your own choise of if you want to be a good guy or a bad ass.

If Jesus was playing this game, he would have allot to say about Grand Theft Auto being like the modern day Bible in a Videogame form.

But that is just going by my own opinion, it is not gospal.

Let them be, it's a free country. If they wanna exclude "morally reprehensible" companies in their mutual funds, who's it hurting? They're just missing out on potentially profitable investments.

Atheist and proud, this is just unbelievable.

"... offers a biblical choice when it comes to investing..."

That pretty much summed up their. The rest of their drawl came out as I expected of another right-wing fundie group.

Their hall of shame is pretty hilarious. If they don't want to invest in companies they don't agree with, that's fine. But don't invest in any of them. They should have all alcohol and tobacco producers, retailers, etc. on there. They just have a few high profile ones. And that goes for all their choices. They have the popular names, but even only a few of them.

And that doesn't even get into the hypocrisy of basing investments on the Bible, which explicitly states not only that material wealth is sinful, but that borrowing and lending, i.e. investing, is wrong.

You may also notice that they believe insurance companies are evil, but somehow investing isn't.

@Haggard Says:

''April 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
In the UK, tabloids would slam him for the homophobic remarks about Bully.

But I find it incredible that just across the atlantic, a man can slam a video game because it contains possible homosexuality - and probably have quite a few people agree with him''



gotta say mate agree with you 100%

why is nobody going after this guy n slamming him because of his anti gay remarks? Arent there anti discrimination laws in the US preventing this kind of stuff?

@NovaBlack

Please don't call them Christian. It's an insult to the rest of the genuinely good people in the community.

How does one drive drunk in GTA?
Do I have to buy my own alchohol before picking up the controler?

“biblical choice when it comes to investing,”

Uh... what the heck is that supposed to mean?

sounds like he isn't thinking about job #1 which is maximize the funds wealth...I wouldn't trust him or his fund with my money.

Must be supported by Westborough Baptist Church, oy. And Oil companies.

I noticed that apparently the biblical choice in investment' means that you still can invest in weapons and weapons factories. I'm sure that weapons have killed far more people than say alcohol, tobacco or even videogames.
And for gambling I'm pretty sure they will support a church rafle...

Do on to others as you wish to be done to you.
That is all.

Haha, their loss, considering TT is not looking for investers and their stock has jumped up hes the only one loosing out here, its not like TT is running up to him and begging for an investment, their pockets are already full from GTA 4's release.