UK Game Critic Keith Vaz "Not Surprised" About Stabbing in GTA IV Line, But...

UK Game Critic Keith Vaz "Not Surprised" About Stabbing in GTA IV Line, But...

May 1, 2008
Labour MP Keith Vaz, a longtime critic of violent video games, was quick to relate a recent London stabbing to Grand Theft Auto IV.

Will Vaz be as quick to retract his comments now that further investigation seems to negate such a link?

As initially reported by the Times, the incident occurred late Monday night as buyers queued up for the midnight launch of Rockstar's controversial crime game. Initial news reports indicated that the attacker was in line for the game:
A hooded man queuing to buy the new Grand Theft Auto IV, the notoriously violent computer game, stabbed a passer-by in the head and neck. Up to 100 people witnessed the attack.

Vaz told the newspaper:
[Grand Theft Auto] is a violent and nasty video game and it doesn’t surprise me that some of those who play it behave in this way.

However, VNU reports that linkage of the stabbing incident to GTA IV may be a case of "media panic":
"The victim had categorically not pre-ordered the game and GameStation is confident that he was not a GameStation customer; neither was he a part of the queue outside the Croydon store, a source told the Games Radar blog.

The source also said that the stabbing did not occur outside the store, but a quarter of a mile away outside East Croydon station.

Via: Kotaku

Comments

Does this sound like a placement/martyring to anyone else?

"A hooded man queuing to buy the new Grand Theft Auto IV, the notoriously violent computer game, stabbed a passer-by in the head and neck. Up to 100 people witnessed the attack."

A hooded man...in line to buy a video game that is (falsely) touted as being the cause of violent acts...stabs a passer-by...in the head and neck...with many witnesses.

I'm sorry, something doesn't add up. I'd be more willing to toss Achem's Razor out the window on this one and say the most logical answer, being that this wasn't staged or pre-planned, isn't the right one. Then again, with them saying the stabbing was away from the whole store completely, it seems like another case of connections made with such a distance that its almost laughable to see anyone attempt to stand behind them.
Vaz is a lying and nasty politician and it doesn't surprise me that some comments made by him would be premature and false in this way.
I'm not surprised.
Does this prick realize that there are voters UNDER the age of 40? I guess he doesn't care about their support.
Perhaps it was here, perhaps some other site, but someone posting from the UK was keen to point out that this happened in East Croydon. Apparently, if their account was to be believed, it would have been more surprising to be wandering near East Croydon and NOT end up getting stabbed.
You could ask every person who was there why they think the stabbing occured, and I highly doubt you'd hear that many of them say "the video game forced them"

If anything, it was a mugging. People were in line to get the game, and he knew they'd have money.
"The source also said that the stabbing did not occur outside the store, but a quarter of a mile away outside East Croydon station."

WOW.
[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptLabour MP Keith Vaz, a longtime critic of violent video games, was quick to relate a recent London stabbing to Grand Theft Auto IV. Will Vaz be as quick to retract his comments now that further investigation seems to negate such a link? As initially reported by the Times, the incident occurred late Monday night as buyers queued up for the midnight launch of Rockstar’s controversial crime game. Initial news reports indicated that the attacker was in line for the game: A hooded man queuing to buy the new Grand Theft Auto IV, the notoriously violent computer game, stabbed a passer-by in the head and neck. Up to 100 people witnessed the attack. [...]
" “The victim had categorically not pre-ordered the game and GameStation is confident that he was not a GameStation customer; neither was he a part of the queue outside the Croydon store, a source told the Games Radar blog.

The source also said that the stabbing did not occur outside the store, but a quarter of a mile away outside East Croydon station."

@Keith Vaz

Grasping at straws...

...yur doing it right!
The guy that did the stabbing was probably not under 18. Besides it was a case of theft than copycat violence. There was articles of people mugging whole lines when the PS3 was being sold in the US, since it was a good time to mug people due to lack of security, night time, and some people had $500 to $600 cash on them.
He won't retract his statement, if anything he'll just spin it stating that "It could have just as easily happened in the queue outside of the game store... OMGGTADIDIT"
I live just a short journey from Croydon, and I usually go there at least once a week to get drunk (good rock/metal bar, hoorah).

The nearest dedicated computer game store is at least a quarter of a mile away, at least any store that would have GTA IV so soon after release. It's hard to imagine that someone would follow a victim so far from the shop, just to stab them in THE MOST VISIBLE and PUBLIC places for miles when they could have done it in a secluded alley dozens of times along the route.

Yeah, I call lunacy.
Let my people... er... post go! (From the spam filter.)

:)

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
I remember when I first read about this stabbing and I had a strange feeling that something like this would turn up a few days later :roll:
a quarter of a mile ... speachless
GTA4 caused the military to find saddam hussein in a hole in my backyard!!!!

(1 week later)

Military actually finds Hussein in Iraq, Politician says "GTA caused a tear in the space time continuum allowing him to go back in time movae to iraq and be found there just so they can say they had no involvement and to cover their butts, we hypocritical,selfserving faith based few know the truth, My good buddey Jack Thompson plans to sue Rockstar for inventing GTA, Space Time rifts, Gravity, Wendy's, The baconator, Physics, space flight, and guns."
The only possible answer has just popped into my mind. The stabber was none other than Dr Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic). Now there's a [fictional] person that could stab you from a quarter mile away.

Please Vaz... say Mr. Fantastic was the mugger. Please.
There's always the possibility that someone playing portals invented the portal gun, made two portals a quarter mile apart, reached through and stabbed someone.
So lemme get this straight. This guy was influenced to stab someone by a game he couldn't have possibly played yet as he was standing in a line to get said game?

Ignoring the distance factor that has been mentioned, that's some hard *ahem* "logic" to follow there.

I'm gonna guess that the negative influence emanating from GTAIV is so potent that just being in the presence of a single copy and not even playing it is enough to drive other wise normal, safe, law-abiding people to crime...Or...somebody is lying and/or twisting facts to suit their own needs.
@Ben Ambroso -- I think you're looking for Occam's Razor. Achem's Razor sounds like you're clearing your throat. ;)
With a politician like that no wonder why London is this way at this time period.
Guys, I don't think we're panicking enough about this! A quarter-mile is only four hundred metres! That's a mere three hundred sixty-five thousandth of the distance from the earth to the sun, and if an asteroid passed that close to us, we would all die!!

I could go on (the 365 would give me a decent connection to the Mayan calendar, which everyone knows is the holy grail of wacko conspiracies) but my head has a very important engagement with a brick wall -- it's the only antidote to the horror of living in these modern times.
@Ben.

Occam. Occam's Razor. Vaz still looks like a chipmunk to me.
Keith Vaz... more like Quief Spaz. AMIRITE?

What a failtard.
Whoops Keith jumped the gun there. Still the good news for him is that it's impossible to make himself look any more of an idiot than he already does.

Gift.
@ Gameclucks

LOL Is that your new 'thing'?
Mr. Keith Vaz is a despicable excuse for a politician, and it doesn't surprise me that he's been convicted of accepting bribes from the Hinduja brothers in exchange for passports.
same old same old
@Calantyr

I assume you frequent the Black Sheep. Good man.

Millions of people were out to get GTA that night over the world. The idea all those people could be together and and incident NOT kicking off is naive at best. There were hundreds of incidents like this for the release of the 360, the PS3, Halo; hell, even Harry Potter. It has nothing to do with GTA, GTA just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Well, my first post appears to still be stuck in the spam filter due to a link, I guess.

I was pointing out that, even though it came from FOX News, a story a few days ago indicated the stabbing was committed by the passer-by against the person in line, not by the person in line.

Was that a different case?

Nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Lie: It makes you look good
Truth: Will make you look stupid

A sad world we live in
@Chard

Except GTA wasn't even in the wrong place. GTA was sitting around with its friends having a smoke halfway across town.
"A hooded man who WASN'T queuing to buy the new Grand Theft Auto IV, the notoriously violent computer game, stabbed a passer-by in the head and neck. Up to 100 people AT A TRAIN STATION A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST VIDEO GAME STORE witnessed the attack."

"[Grand Theft Auto] is a violent and nasty video game and it doesn’t surprise me that some of those who PROBABLY DON'T play it behave in this way."

Fixed.
"Will Vaz be as quick to retract his comments now that further investigation seems to negate such a link?"

Seriously, what stupid question is that? Of course he's going to retract such a statement, like he has accepted manhunt wasn't responsible for Stefan Pakeerah's murder......
The hell? We're not a blog!
@ Chard

Yup, the BSB rules. Wasted far too many evenings there. :)

Everything about the way this event has been reported is just outright misleading. The trouble is that it's worded in such a way that people will probably get away with it. Never let facts get in the way of a good story, eh?
Vaz: Superduperdouche!
So the stabbing didn't even occur anywhere near the store? How is it related at all? I never saw any hard look at the violence that occurred to several people when the PS3 was released? The media pretty much said "Those kooky kids and their video games," to that.
I hear that some people got stabbed and attacked too in lines during the Playstation 3 launch. And possibly the Xbox 360 launch. And people got injured during shoving in K-mart blue light specials.
Its not a computer game.
Cabbage patch kids rush had quite a few injuries.

How many people got hurt over Tickle Me Elmo? Those things incite violence.
Holy crap! It's the mighty Tri-Chin!
A quarter of a mile away? I know the lines were long, but they weren't that long.

Check the details Vaz.
Wait, did they say ~computer game~? I don't think there's a PC version...
Hmm.

This could be a confusion about the store location. Gamestation IS about a quarter of a mile aweay from East Croydon station, but what IS right next to the station is a second-hand videogame store (You turn right outside the station, and it's on your right). It's a small self-run business. I'm guessing a journo saw the stabbing happened near to a videogame store, and made the connection with the queue that was happening at a shop nearby (well, a quarter of a mile away) and erroneously put the two together.

Put that together with a fat, corrupt politician (hey, I can say that, it's been proved!) and you have your headline.

That's my theory, anyway.
Just to underline my point above, a small store dealing in second-hand games will NOT have been open for a midnight launch, they don't sell new games.
New name for this jerk: Keith Chav. Pass it on :)
Oh so some random hooded guy stabs someone a quarter of a mile ago from a video games store, and obviously, everyone links it to GTA. Amazing.

You can pretty much links everything bad that happens in the western world to GTA this way. Oh wait, isn't it what they do already?
As Benji said, '...it would have been more surprising to be wandering near East Croydon and NOT end up getting stabbed.' Its not exactly the nicest area by any stretch of the imagination, When I drive through, I drive quick and with the doors locked!!
So, according to Vaz, the game is so powerful it can cause violence in people who haven't actually played it yet?

Reminds me of some of the crap spouted during the 80s video nasties scare - especially The Deer Hunter. Reports claimed that the movie was linked to numerous murders between 1974 and 1983. Some of the "evidence" for the earlier murders seemed quite convincing... until you considered the fact that The Deer Hunter was released in 1978!

Nothing changes, but I'm sick and tired of assholes like this jumping on "issues" like this instead of fixing real problems like he's meant to have been elected to do. I can take this crap from Jack Thompson, but an elected MP? It's shame how the government resources he's wasting should have gone to much more deserving causes.
This idiot needs to actually take a look at the game.

Is it really THAT violent? The fighting could be considered violent, sure, but it's not really, and there's barely any blood.

And interestingly enough, knives existed before video games.

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