Jack Thompson Bashes GTA IV on Glenn Beck Show

Anti-game attorney Jack Thompson and Gavin McKiernan of the Parents Television Council appeared on the Glenn Beck program last night on CNN Headline News.

The first clip is Beck’s opening. Thompson and McKiernan appear in the second clip.

GP: Big thanks to several GamePolitics readers who uploaded and/or pointed us to videos of the show…


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    Randompersonnumber3 says:

    I hate the news, they never actually show two sides to the story. For one, like a few others, I noticed he never said something about girls playing it. I’m a girl, and I am interested in renting it (don’t actually own it).

    ANother, the statistics he pulled out of thin air are 100% ridiculous. Television causing a 50% increase in crime? Wow. I knew I Love Lucy was pure evil. Don’t get me started on Beverly Hillbillies.

    Actually, in one of my literature classes recently we read Winter Dreams. In it the main character, Dexter Green, falls in love with this girl named Judy. Problem is, Judy a a whore, and by that I mean witch, not the GTAIV kind. Reading her lines and dialouge made me want to murder someone more than Mass Effect ever did.

    OKay, I’ ranting and running out of time, so I’ll just leave it there.

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    […] “Whatever happened to Pong?” Mr. Beck asked last week, as he was discussing the newly-released Grand Theft Auto IV. He expressed concern over the game’s violent nature. He talked about the possibility of your 12-year-old picking up a hooker, having sex with her, and then beating her to death with a baseball bat; yes, he commented on the hooker thing, because no one else ever has. Then he had the president of the Parent’s Television Council show up to discuss the moral implications. […]

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    Tony says:

    Glenn Beck – “All of America’s problems are because of pop culture! Music, movies, games, and TV.”

    So basically Glenn Beck wants to get rid of the first amendment so that we can devolve into a society that believes everything it hears. Glenn Beck I will never watch your show again, not that I have seen it often, and you are a disgrace to humanity. The game is more of a parody of life than a training tool to kill. You showed your ignorance, now crawl back into your life of sin and then preach your hypocritical “values”.

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    Archer says:

    Why is it that when the criminal is in jail and they ask him what caused him to do the crime and mention video games suddenly the criminal is being honest?

    I am always amazed suddenly criminals who think nothing of life, let alone the truth are suddenly given credibility when the recite the “secret words” to a lawyer.
    I have played violent games since the 80’s and I have no desire to hurt another person though 1000s of NPC’s have fallen to my weapons.

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    BTB says:

    Reading this thread actually inspired me to update the blog on my own site (apparently you can just click on my name to go there). So, yeah, thank you guys.

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    This is reason? This is THOMPSON! (aka Ryno) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t have time to read all the comments, so sorry if this was already posted, but is there a link to a transcript of the session? I can’t really bear to watch it, but I think I can get through reading it.

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    Haze says:

    Niko is not a low level thug, is is a soldier who tries to escape from the horrors of war.
    There are no chainsaws in GTA 4, and to kill a prostitute or police officer is voluntery, are you saying that we should not have freedom of choice? If it were up to the media there would be no open worlds, the entire gaming world would by, like he said, Pong.

    Jack Thompson does not know how influencial games are, the case on Devin Moore was never proved by anyone, even scientists, the Counter Strike case was never proven either, in fact his case was thrown out each time without a trial.

    The military has NEVER used video games for training, it has used paper targets but there has been no evidence of an increase, in fact in WW2 the military said that soldiers would shoot WITHOUT training as long as they were under threat.

    You CANNOT have S&M or Oral sex, so no wonder he ‘won’t’ show that.

    The violence in GTA 4 is not that bad, its nothing compared to Soldier of Fortune.
    M for Mature IS the worst raiting, the only one higher is AO which is not the same, it means it can only be sold in licenced stores, its not a video game rating.
    M should be mature, anyone who is mature should play it, hell I know 9 year olds who are mature enough to play it.

    One final thing, interesting to see that BOTH people they interviewed are agaisnt the game, they did not take ONE person who was for the game.

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    BTB says:

    There’s a gazillion things to do in any GTA game… why is killing prostitutes the only one that Jack Thompson seems to think exists?

    Aside from that, I’m beyond caring. I’m all for a trigger-happy society. I keep a gun in my nightstand and I’ll be more than happy to blow the hell out of anyone who breaks into my apartment.

    A country that doesn’t know how to kick ass is a country asking to get its ass kicked.

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    BrandonL337 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    “I mean, seriously, if this game doesn’t make the mark of AO, what does?”

    Hentai games and porn games in general, Manhunt, Postal 2 should have been.

    “This is clearly a huge slice of pie that Wal-Mart/Target didn’t want to miss out on and I wouldn’t be suprised if they played a small part in how the “M” rating came too pass.”
    This is probable the most insulting thing to say to a gamer but… you sound like JT, paraphrasing, “the ESRB are in a conspiracy with the games industry/Take Two to distribute GTA to minors and keep it from an AO rating” You gotta admit you do sound like that only with Target/Walmart

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    Collin says:

    I have heard that in most places, the crime rate goes down. Hes saying that the world shouldent have video games, but if we did not not have them i would bet that violence would skyrocket. People need somthing violent to do that doesnt harm others to let out anger and such. And then he goes on to say that the ESRB is letting adult games into the childeren population, WTF! If you want to keep games away from kids than thats their parents job. And the guy he was talking to says that they are sueing TAKE2 and Rockstar for causing killings, WTF! I say they can all go to hell! Don’t try to blame my bad language on games too cuz thats not where it came from!

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    Argonaut1314 says:

    Yea, GTA was the ONLY influence to the increase in gun firing statistics during a war. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that those soldiers were doing their damndest to preserve the American way and defend the innocent. Because as we all know, patriotism has nothing to do with our military, only GTA can train you to kill.

    In case you didn’t catch that Beck, that was sarcasm. Only a retard with no sense of morals would think that because they do it in a video game, it is ok to do it in real life. And the ones that do things like that obviously had much bigger problems than playing violent video games.

    Parents, please don’t listen to this moron, if your kids are having problems, don’t blame the media, video games, or washed up celebrities, try being a good parent and talk with them to figure out what’s wrong instead of playing the blame game.

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    Fritzmonkey says:

    Glenn Beck is sexist. Apparently girls don’t play video games. (Go back and listen to it. He never once asks parents to keep their daughters from playing the game, only their sons.)

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    Reece says:

    Rofl Rofl my guess is they are just bad at computer games :P…but on a more serious note these guys have no idea what they are talking about…no offence to america but nothing of this sort has happened in europe…only in america do peopel take games too seriously. Just a bunch of kids that want to be something they are not, but what right do these *pardon my french* assholes have to slight games when they are obviously just entertainment and the only people that use them as excuses are just ill i nthe head….LEAVE GAMES ALONE!

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    Salty says:

    As an adult male gamer and someone who has worked in the video game industry for the last five years, I’m suprised to find myself agreeing with one comment made by Jack Thompson. This game should be rated “Adult Only”. I mean, seriously, if this game doesn’t make the mark of AO, what does? I find this game to be far more gratuitous and adult oriented than it’s predecesor (GTA San Andreas). Even with the “Hot Coffee” mini-game, GTA IV takes the cake for sexual content and violence.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I love GTA IV and I have absolutely no problems with the game, but I do see a problem here with the ESRB rating this game as M. What’s the point of having an “AO” rating if it’s not even used in the most extreme situations? What does the content acutally have to be for the AO rating to get slapped on. This is clearly a huge slice of pie that Wal-Mart/Target didn’t want to miss out on and I wouldn’t be suprised if they played a small part in how the “M” rating came too pass.

    Just one last comment before everyone under 18 starts hating on my post: Jack Thompson is an abomination and GTA IV should be sold to anyone of legal age who wants a copy. Saying that this is training “killers” is an absolutely ludicrous statement.

    You know who actually trains killers?

    The United States Military

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    […] With the release of GTA IV the nutcases are coming out of the woodwork. If for some reason you’d like to raise your blood pressure, you can see JT’s appearance on the Glenn Beck show where he tosses around his favorite term (”murder simulator”) a few times. While he rails about how we must protect the chillun he of course manages to ignore the fact that the game is rated M and it really should be the responsibility of the parents to ensure their kids aren’t playing it in the first place. […]

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    Dave ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Here’s my email to CNN:

    “My comment is in regard to the discussion of Grand Theft Auto IV with Jack Thompson and Gavin McKiernan.

    This is one of the most appalling and deplorable displays of “journalism” I’ve ever seen. The report is ripe with falsehoods about the game – this is libel, and I think you should be held legally accountable for it. I’m sure you’re aware that Jack Thompson is not a reliable source of information, as his obsessive campaign against Take Two and other misdemeanors have him on the verge of being thrown off the Florida Bar. I suspect the majority of your viewers are unaware of this, and you know it. Consequently, what we’re seeing here is more of a theatrical presentation under the guise of being legitimate coverage of an issue. Legitimate coverage would entail things like a credible guest to provide a counter-point to the discussion. As one of the most trusted news agencies in the world, you have a responsibility to deliver well-researched information – not personal opinions misconstrued as facts.

    The public would appreciate some sort of response from you on this. Perhaps on a future episode you should amend the false and misleading statements made on your show.”

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    […] Politics and Banning of GTA IV There’s been a lot of talk and controversy over GTA IV. Obama gave some words about it saying “This video game … isn’t intended for kids, I understand… [but] those video games are raising our kids”. Jack Thompson has been bashing the title on the Glen Beck Show, stating “we’re training our kids to be killers”. In The United Arab Emirates (UAE) it’s already official. The game is banned from their country, but some have found a loophole and have purchased the title from a duty-free airport in Dubai.  […]

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    Icehawk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I have watched this then watched it again trying to understand how this is supposed to be unbiased reporting. Granted Beck is a talking head but gods below. Funny (irony) is that JBT happens to mention in passing that there was lots mores… dozens… yet Beck himself mentioned that GTA 1-3 have sold over 70,000,000 copies and GTA 4 is expected to sell 9,000,000. Hmmm lets do the the math

    Lets say it is dozens (as in 2 dozen so):


    What a stunning number. So far below that 15% he was claiming of those pulling their triggers in WW2 (not to mention that most did not want to be there anyways. ie the draft) as to make his Entire arguement meaningless. Sigh. Still there are those that are feeble minded enough to listen to such drivel. If that does not strike fear in you as fellow gamers and as self-aware individuals than I suggest you could walk up to Satan and spit in his eye.

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    Shadow Darkman, Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson, ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Sorry for double post.

    I finally got an e-mail of my own and under my username here re-sent the e-mail I sent JT several weeks ago. Once again I bumped into that lady whose evil matches Babylon The Harlot. Her name was Failure. She came in the form of my e-mail host’s “MAILER-DAEMON” and told me the e-mail to JT did not reach him.

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    Shadow Darkman, Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson, ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I fail to see Gavin’s stand in this.

    Is he…?

    A) On Thompson’s side

    B) Against Thompson

    C) None of the above

    Someone find out for me.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong. But I’m rather sure that kids have been beating up other kids before Youtube or GTA4 existed. The fact that they film it for “posterity” is a moot point.

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    GRIZZAM 512 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah, use one example of a bunch of asshole teenagers assaulting some girl as a representation of an entire generation. I’ll be sure and use Charlie Manson to represent all of the people of the sixties now.

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    Grendal says:


    My god he is just stupidity and historical inaccuracy codified into a living creature. How can anyone be that utterly oblivious to basic historical fact and current trends because it doesn’t suit your world view?

    Honestly I hope he lives a long, long life so he can see people like us here at GP taking over politics, business and society in the U.S. and all over the world and still playing video games, and all he will be is a sad footnote of no relavance whatsoever. Then again I’m spiteful.

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    DarkTetsuya ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    thanks for the heads up 😛

    My favorite exchange:

    Sarah: I see no problem with it, because there is a distinction reality and the game.

    Glenn: There is no distinction between reality and a game anymore. Doesn’t anyone see what is happening to ?? no ?? tell me the distinction ?? tell me that people get the distinction between reality and games or reality and television when they’re beating kids up so they can post it on YouTube.

    It’s not her fault he’s too stupid to tell the difference…

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    Barly says:

    I’ve had violent urges all my life, acted on them on numerous occasions in fact, yet I’ve never played a GTA game. Hell, the best things about Monday for me are fresh episodes of Gossip Girl but my fantasies still include ripping people’s faces off and putting them on book covers.

    Point is, games don’t make people go crazy. Insanity does.

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    Paul ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Glenn Beck is just so easy to make fun of. Everything he says, he says as if he’s trying to be fucking Elmer Fudd.

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    Christophe Janson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    …News from the states always makes my head hurt, seriously it’s so twisted and full of half-truths that sometimes I’m not sure if it’s a comedy show or for real.

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    Keegs ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Sadly I used to really respect Glenn Beck but now he has became what he hates. He always complains about the media not giving facts and here he is being a damn freakin hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    One other thing, I used to think when JT got disbarred that he could go to work for the PTC; an unholy alliance if there ever was one. I used to think that unlikely though as he’s never had any prior contact w/ them before and his ego probably precludes him from working w/ them. But I’m sure him and Gavin McKiernan got to talking after the broadcast. What do you think the likelihood would be?

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    Black Manta ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Just cruious, has there been any response at all from Beck? I would think if he got enough responses, he would have said something about it the next day. Of course, he’d probably read only the most vitriolic and juvenile responses he could find to make the gamer community look bad, but it’d still be interesting at the very least if he acknowledged our disapproval.

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    MonkeyFace ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    this pissed me off eight different ways at once

    All I can say is, grrr!
    I expected better from you CNN
    CNN=just as bad as FOX now
    isn’t it sad that I have to get my real news from the Colbert Report and the Daily Show

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    StealthKnight ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He really used some bad examples there. Being told to shoot a paper target does not mean they suddenly became trained to kill. Just watch some old war documentaries, and some video’s of soldiers in Iraq. How you handle the actual combat depends on each individual person. Besides, Shooting paper is very different then shooting a real person and seeing the pain and blood on them. Paper does not look realistically like a human.

    It is also stupid to say that TV resulted in an increase in murders. That is like saying the introduction of rabbits feet resulted in an increase in homocide amongst cats. He should have mentioned what was this first video game that the pentagon supposedly made. This whole thing is stupid

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    Alex says:

    im 21, the first game i played was doom 2… ive yet to find the urge to kill someone… hurt maybe in extreme cases (i beleive some of the finer points of chivalry still exist).

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    RedShadow says:

    One thing i would like to point out is, At least fox new DID appologize about the Mass Effect incedent, It wasint thrown around much, but they did get thier facts straight.

    Second, Holy crap, The first time jack thompson started this crap, i was 15 and my parents took my GTA:Sanan away because of the lies he said! Thankfully the idiot decided to file gay porn to the state attornys office. My parents FINNALLY beleaved me that he was insane and let me play it again. Ive been playing GTA since it came out (GTA one anyone?) ive never killed anyone, ive never been convicted of a crime, and I make above average grades. Just because one idiot does something doesint meen EVERYONE WILL.

    As for parenting, My parnets TOOK GTA away when they thought stuff was in it that wasint, but still, it was GOOD parenting. Do i blame them? no they dont play videogames so i dont expect them to play the game in order to find every little thing you can do. Honistly I think the game is fairly rated, but stupid parents still buy the game. (You could not even walk INTO my gamestop without being carded that night) I watched as they told a set of parents they would not sell a game to them for their 11 year old son! I think that was very good work and i commend the Employers for doing that. The other night on live i got stuck playing free mode with guess what, a TEN YEAR OLD. yea, Momma bought the game for him, and ill bet she will be on the Sue wagon soon.

    sry for the lack of organization, that video pissed me off so much!

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    Aaron says:

    I don’t want to sound like a spammer but… if you hate jack thompson google him then click on his wikipedia page (it will read as ‘Jack Thompson (attorney)) and see what comes up! Its been like that for almost 48 hours now and wikipedia hasn’t done anything to change it!

    I didn’t do it.

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    Kyle says:

    And TV “caused” a doubling in the homocide rate? Correlation does not prove causation. Jesus Christ when will they every figure that out…
    I can’t believe he’s describing all this gameplay like the player doesn’t have a choice in the matter. You don’t have to kill the prostitute, you don’t even have to pick one up. You don’t have to kill the police officer, you don’t have to mow down pedestrians. I hate this whole “it’s a murder simulator” mentality. What conservative oversensitive bullshit.
    And of course Jack Thompson is here to save the day again by showing us all who we should be pointing our fingers at. It’s a wonder to me why, when he learns that a kid plays video games so obsessively (sometimes 12 to 16 hours a day), he doesn’t care to delve any deeper than that as to what caused the kid to become a murderer. Obviously there’s already something wrong with the kid if he gets so attached to a game.
    O ya, and this is the second time I’ve heard him say “Counter-Strike Half-Life”. Those are two completely different games you moron…the entire gaming community is laughing at your blatant ignorance and stupidity right now.
    Oral and anal sex in GTAIV? Someone please tell me where I can find that?

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    Kyle says:

    I don’t think you can blame the PRODUCTS of a culture for a culture’s ills. The products materialize as a result of something – in the context of something. There’s a reason pop culture is “violent” and “pornographic”. I’m not claiming to know what that reason is, I just think it’s naive for anyone to claim that they know.

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    GRIZZAM 512 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    There is actually a lot of dispute regarding wether or not desensitization is a negative at all. A common argument is that desensitization is a crucial element of emergency workers (firefighters, police, ambulance personnel) and that they are regarded as some of society’s finest, therefore desensitization is good. Wether they are “better” because of or in spite of is a big hit to that logic. Then of course there’s soldiers with PTSD (Post traumatic stress disorder). A soldier is at higher risk of contracting this mental illness the more they are exposed to combat, so it is thought that perhaps some violence *SENSITIZES* people to violence. It’s all still up to heavy debate. Some would like to believe we’ve made huge steps in understanding these things, but we really are still very far from really getting it.

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    Andy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    can you say “biased and misinformed”?

    first off, GTA IV can be beaten in 30 hours or less “if you’re good at it”, second, you’d think these people would’ve figured out that Jack Thompson has indeed lost his marbles

    third, I’m sick and tired of people in the media, politicians, and the majority of adults jumping on these topics with little to no backround research and claiming that video games are “murder simulators”, cause people to more easily pull the trigger against another human being, and imply that games are only played by teenage boys. the only real negative effect on your average gamer is desensitization to violence, language, etc., but that’s bound to happen no matter what form of media is in use.

    and the least this guy could’ve done is have someone representing the other side give some input and enlighten the watching parents. It took me a long time to teach my parents that violent games are not going to make me go out and murder people thanks to the bull that the media has pumped into theirs and other families’ heads. the only time I’d ever even point a gun at another human being is when I am in mortal danger. I’m not saying that the game is appropriate for children (older teens at the youngest as long as they are mature enough to handle it), but these idiots need to get their facts straightened out. the people who actually know what they’re talking about should speak out and take a stand.

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    Newzealand38 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    that is ridiculous if they want to talk about army simulators they should go after Americas Army witch was made by the Army as a recruitment tool it is also rated teen not mature like grand theft auto or some of the other games i think people release anger threw games witch would prevent them from killing ppl and if they are so worried about ppl buying it they should stop giving it publicity its like free advertising for rockstar lol anyway that my thoughts on this, GO TEAM!1!1

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    MasterAssassin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This guy is more full of shit then a toilet after I’m done with it.

    Where the hell does he get this bullshit that only 15% of combat soldiers fired back in WW2. That is just one of the most asinine things I’ve ever heard. Has he even spoken to any WWII veterens? Why doesn’t he go ask some people who work in the military to come on and talk about that instead.

    This guy is not a real conservative. He’s a paranoid authoritarian moralist. What’s even worse is he didn’t give the other side equal air time. In addition to Jackhole he also put on a represenative from a special interest group that is clearly anti-game.

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    Meggie ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This is CNN Headline News, whole different network (which brings you quality programming like Nancy “missing white girls” Grace and Glen “I wish I was popular so bad” Beck).

    Counter Half-life Jack? Get your murder simulators straight!

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    Alex says:

    Also lets point out the Americans were late to the bloody war too, it was a toss of the coin as to if they would back the Triple Entente or the triple Alliance, it wasn’t until the sinking of the Lusitania that they actually pulled their thumb out of their ass and sent men to war.

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    Alex says:

    Norman conquest of england 1066
    The 9 crusades 1095 – 1272
    Conquests of Genghis khan 1190 – 1227
    War of the Sicillian Vespers 1282 – 1302
    Hundred years war 1337 – 1453
    Fall of Constantinople 1453
    War of the roses 1455 – 1385
    French Wars of religion 1562 – 1598
    Thirty Years war 1618 – 1648
    Bishops wars 1639 – 1640
    English Civil wars 1642 – 1651
    Wars of league of augsburg 1688 – 1697
    War of Jenkins Ear 1739 – 1743
    War of Austrian Succession 1740 – 1748
    Seven Years War 1756 – 1763
    US war of independance 1775 – 1783
    French Revolution 1792 – 1802
    Napoleonic Wars 1800 – 1815
    Peninsular War 1808 – 1814
    Greek War of Independance 1821 – 1828
    Crimean War 1853 – 1856
    American Civil war 1861 – 1865
    Franco Prussian War 1870
    Boer War 1880 – 1881 and 1899 – 1902
    World war I 1914 – 1918
    Spanish Civil War 1936 – 1939
    World war II 1939 – 1945.

    Glen Broker needs to get his facts straight, one of the baser level instincts of mankind is to kill another man if he gains power, women or safety. So what if ‘gun inflicted’ wounds were low in world war I i have just stated close to a millennium of wars in which COUNTLESS individuals have died.

    Why were there fewer gun shot based casualties in ww1 than in ww2, Simply put ww2 was a far larger war and in ww1 most nations were ill-equipped for a war of the magnitude of ww1. Most nations saw WW2 coming and were able to prepare… i mean fark Churchill was mustering an army and support before it was officially declared.

    Causes of Death in ww1:-
    Mustard Gas
    Using Infantry as Cannon fodder (Gallipoli anyone?)
    And the Tactics for commonwealth forces mainly being march thousands of men across no mans land and getting them torn up by incoming enemy fire.

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    GRIZZAM 512 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Well, the liberals hate us too, so what did you expect? There’s no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Everyone in the news is pretty damn misinformed when it comes too videogames.

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    jarrod from australia ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    completely BIAS, the game is not about killing prostitutes, thats only a miniscule component of the game, maybe you should play the game before spitting your ignorant, conservative views to the public.

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    Grendal says:

    Everything he says about WW1 is just complete and utter BS. He is right that casualties caused by rifle fire were relativly low in WW1, but it’s not because soldiers refused to fire, the majority of deaths were caused by artillery fire. It also came from the fact that entering no mans land for much of the war was a very fast way to die.

    At this point I’m used to the “journalists” in the mainstream mangling the fact about games, but do they really need to abuse history too?

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    At least his releases might change a bit

    “I was on60 minutes and the Glenn Beck show…”

    And did anyone else think he seemed really, robotic?

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    joshdavis271 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    First of all I want to know where this strip club is where you have oral and anal sex mr thompson, second of all,I had hell trying to buy this at wal’mart, They wanted my id. If I did not work there I would had to go home and grab my id and go back to my walmart to buy the damn game.

    BHTW ths game is rated mature whichj is = to a rated R movie so if this game gets rated AO forits content then I want all movies with a hint of boobies and drinking rated NC-17.

    You sir are a moron and had not played the game like I have, I have yet to see these so called sex scenes, the worse I seen so far is strippers danceing. The so called sex with your girlfirend on the game is notyhing more then a moaning sound clip and a nice view of the outside of an apartment. nothing worth noting, good luck trying to create a hot coffee II the worse you will find is warm coffee which is ironically an achievement for being invited inside the girls apartment.

    one more thing to the parents, children should not be playing this, the m on the box stands for mature not math or mom please buy this for me, mature= 17 and up not 3-16. for little timmy might I suggest blue dragon instead?

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    ManiacA4 says:


    Outlawing guns wont solve the problem, its the same as thinking putting a ban on Hand guns would cause violent crime on streets to disappear.

    Grand Theft Auto IV is a amazing game with some of the best voice acting, and directing I’ve ever seen. For sheer engrossing gameplay I rank it above every game I have ever played hands down.

    What I would love to know is where there accusations of the game being marketed towards children is coming from? If they’re talking about billboards and other “poster” type ads where any one can see them well thats the point of advertising, to get your product out to as many people as possible. Nothing within the ad’s say they are advertising to minors. I also haven’t seen a TV advert although to be fair I havent been watching tv although I’m fairly confident the ad’s dont show up at 12 pm on Cartoon network.

    I would also love to see where this graphic sex is? I have not seen it and I think you’re lying to us Jacko. Lying on national television is actually a really classless and low thing to do. I’m sorry but the majority out there dont understand these things and instead of filling there heads with lies about the games why not better educate parents with the ESRB ratings and subject matter of the game? That seems much more effective in my eyes.

    This has been said by a few of the other people commenting and like you I am a lifelong gamer, while I am only 20 I’ve been playing games since the 16 bit era and I’ve come out a high school grad making his way through university. I wonder when the video game brain sickness will kick in and I’ll become a deranged lunatic?

    These people need to give the game a try first, learn what it is they’re trying to destroy. Urge parents to participate actively in what there kids enjoy, parents should parent there kids nothing short of any form of abuse (Emotional/Physical) should take that away.

    Love Maniac

    Feel free to contact me and discuss at dr_evil555@hotmail.com XBL:DainzeJD and PSN ManiacA4

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    Alex says:

    You know, i don’t understand this bullshit… Ive been playing games since i was 6, infact the first game i ever played was Doom 2 and ive played through a bit of GTA. I have YET to pick up a gun or baseball bat (never mind guns are controlled in australia) and go on a mad killing spree or run into a school and try and kill people.

    Now that said, i do understand what jack Thompson is trying to do… too bad hes attacking the wrong people for the right reasons. Selling a game that is 17-18+ to minors isn’t the doing of the game producers.

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    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know a lot of stuff Jack has said about Rockstar products has toed the line of libel. But the “Oral and Anal sex” is an outright, full and complete lie that IS libel no two ways about it.

    That and he is bearing false witness. Something that is a pretty large no no of the religion he supposedly yet very poorly follows.

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Gen Man

    Guess then we should be asking Jack… “Why so serious?”

    @GRIZZAM 512

    Yeah, he’s Mormon, brought it up many times, was in tears the day (or day after) the President of the LDS died a few months back, he was 97.

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    DAM_THEM says:

    I live in Canada so I dont have to worry about people like jack.t because in Canada we have more importint things to do because hundreds of people die because of smoking every day and only like 20 people die in school shootings.

    ps. if you want to stop school shootings outlaw guns not video games with guns

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    Mattie ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I miss the days where people just reported the news and didn’t have to throw their close minded opinions into the mix.

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    No one says:

    I emailed Glen, I hope everyone else does the same, not to tell him hes an idiot. But sense he has such high values, its a wonder why he had someone on like Jack Thompson, who filed a case with gay porn in it. I emailed him with the links to this site regarding all the stupid things Jack Thompson has done. I advice everyone to do the same.

    I like Glen a lot, I always watch him, but on this…he has fallen into the pit withe everyone else. But he does have a point. They fail to say how old the kids are that are playing the game, but I’m sure if there was a 12 year old who played games like this, he would grow up sort of screwed up.

    I knew someone who had a little brother, he let him play gta, was not a good thing, kid was to young. like 9 or 12 or something like that. You got to admit, kids going to be a little whacked when he grows up if he continues to play games like that. He already was.

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    Repudiator ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I just finished the video.

    I think I’m legally insane now. It all started off with WTF’s and OMFG’s due to the immense bullshit emitting from the videos. But by the second video, I slammed my head on my computer desk and started laughing at all the moronic things said. (I had headphones on, listening to it).

    Shit, my mother thinks I’m going crazy now from laughing so much.

    I mean, I just think it’s amazing that people like this practically gets paid to spew lies and bullshit on television like this. I mean, after watching things like this, I feel as if though I’m very competent to have a job like this as it seems like just about anyone can do it. Even better considering how one sided this all is. Needs moar Adam Sessler.

    There was so many false, one sided things said, I couldn’t even get angry, I just laugh.

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    jab49 says:

    I noticed the fact that he never once implied a girl would play GTA IV, always husband, son, boyfriend. It was like the whole thing was for women-folk who don’t know how to operate them fancy Electrical device.

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    DJ Sessum says:

    I’m getting kind of tired of GTA IV. I personally will not get it, simply because I don’t like the intentions of it, but I’m not for just banning it. But don’t worry, a few weeks and this will all be over… I hope!

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    InsaneBasura says:

    What is there to say that hasn’t already been said? Different day, different people, same old shit, same old people. It surprises me that they haven’t found anything new to complain about, still with the prostitute-killing.

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    mephidrossXX says:

    The person in the first video said “your son, your husband even your boyfriend can play…” he is discriminatig female players my girlfriend plays GTA4 too. Actually only she plays it i prefer to play on my PC.

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    GRIZZAM 512 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I thought he was Jewish. Anyway, I wonder if Jack Thompson was like Fenton from Home Movies when he was a kid. 😀

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Odd how everyone on CNN talks about the whole FLDS compound/cult in Texas that was raided but Glenn Beck hasn’t from the times I’ve watched, not one mention of it. He’s also a Mormon, go figure. You would think this is something he’d take on since it potentially paints all Mormons in a bad light, not just the fringe groups. Maybe he just doesn’t care about children getting raped and beaten when it’s done in the sake of his religion’s version of Christianity and the old, warped versions of it that hasn’t been “mainstream” for it in over 100 years.

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    Coitus ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Coronation between violent games and violence.. minimal
    Coronation between right wing conservative Christians and Stupidity.. abundant!

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    Jack Thompson is a douchbag says:

    Im just not gonna say anything. Whats the point. Ya curse if you want but whats it gonna do? Its not gonna stop them. I need a moment.

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    BrandonL337 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I feel my last post came out badly let me clarify; calling GTA a murder simulator is nowhere near as Moronic as calling Mass Effect Smut. although JT did claim that the ESRB is involved in a conspiracy to disribute GTA to minors

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    BrandonL337 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    Even more one-sided than the FOX news Mass Effect “report” therew is no one there defending the game just a bunch of old senile farts agreeing with each other. It’s nowhere near as stupid though, GTA was made for critisism

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    BinaryGeek ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    the scary part isn’t the supposed 80% saying here goes another conservative going off on video games, it’s the 20% actually listening to this garbage and thinking they’re right. You don’t want your kids playing these games, don’t buy them for them, and for those saying “they can still play them at their friends houses” talk to your kids friends parents and explain the situation to them, it’s called parenting, it’s not a new trend so you should have some idea about how to do this, at least at a basic level. As for he who I refuse to name, well August can’t come soon enough for me. Wave buh-bye to the annoying lawyer, then he’s just an annoying citizen.

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    Demontestament ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Three morons talking about something they has no clue about. I love how there was nobody there to present a counter arguement. Oh and Jack infringed on that little agreement he had with R*/T2 when he mentioned Devon Moore.

    So you have the PTC who just goes off of clips and screen shots of the worst parts of a game, Jack Thompson who we all know is bat loco going off once again on the same thing the PTC is. And Glenn Beck, the biggest moron on the CNN payroll. Sadly the clips are just repeats of what have always heard and since the “It is just one person” argument does fly and one killer represents every gamer out there I will present this as a counter argument.

    I have been playing video games since I was two. By what Glenn Beck stated I should be one of the deadliest people in the world. I should have no qualms about killing cops, raping women, stealing cars, killing whores and so forth. But I have never done anything like that, unless it is on a video game I cannot shoot a gun for the life of me. I hate using violence to solve problems and believe you should only fight to defend yourself if no other option is available. I would never do anything Glenn Beck claims I have been trained for. Simply for the reason that it is only a game and it does not teach you how to kill. Now since his logic is that one represents all that means since I am a gamer who has never committed a crime in my life, then none of us do.

    From what is sounds like Glenn Beck is one of those morons who wants every form of entertainment banned, just because a kid might see it. Before you trash on something guys, do your homework first. Flying off the handle only makes you look like idiots.

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    RichD says:

    “anal sex”? Erm, which bit in GTA4 is JT referring to here? All I see is lady on top action, but I guess with Mr ‘Gay Porn’ on the case, that’s bound to be the ol’ back door action. Me thinks Jack as an unhealthy interest in the bottom!

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    Captain Kickass ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Only one way to settle this. The most violent way possible. Jack Thompson, I challenge you… to MMMOOOOORRRTAAAAAALLLLLLLL KOOOOMMMMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    super_pope ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I love how nobody who brings him on even bothers to check out his background. I’m definitely going to write in to both CNN’s executives and beck himself about how bad it makes them look, in my eyes, when they get some goofy crackpot to call up jack and pretend he’s some kind of expert (you know, the way he does).

    Not a one of these guys ever brings up the fact that he’s in the process of being stripped of his license, he’s been tossed out of states (professionally speaking), he’s never won one of these cases, Take Two forced him into a legally binding settlement that prevents him from filing any more frivolous lawsuits against them (which the Florida Supreme court’s decision to ban him from filing before them again without a competent lawyer signing on with him can only reinforce).

    This is also a man who lost an election in Florida to Janet Reno. One where he publically campaigned against her based mainly on his suspicion that she was a lesbian.

    Even more than that, I don’t think he’s ever WON one of these things. But you never, EVER hear anything about that during one of these interviews. They spend the entire time making a man who’s credentials would lead you to conclude he’s INSANE (a position supported by the fact that the Florida bar once mandated he be examined for mental illness) look like he has a valid position.

    Screw that noise.

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    Paul says:

    This is truly the second video that has made my blood boil. (The first one being the Mass Effect\Fox News)

    Can anyone tell me what Glen’s point was? Does he want the game banned? That sounds pretty fasict.

    Here is a broad point to ponder: If we provide rating info for Movies\Music\Software, why are books not rated? Would Stephen King get an M or an AO?

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    MacBoy says:

    To be completely honest, I can’t help but laugh when they show Niko running over the hooker and saying, “Come on, get out of the way!”

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    LaxGamer ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I dont even need to watch this or read the comments. I already know where the conversation is going

    its people like Jack Thompson, Nancy Grace (listen to her rants about the Duke lax case), and Mike Nifong that make me lose all respect in journalism/politics

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    ChrowX ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Dear lord… can’t any of these idiots cite their sources? It’s bad enough that this is a one-sided trifecta of social retardation but none of them cited any actual facts. Yes, get an ill-informed TV personality, an attorney who has been shown time and again to use false information, and a member of a watchdog group which has accomplished nothing.

    There’s something that is fundamentally different between Military training, which is meant to train you to use a firearm proficiently and properly and a videogame where-in the purpose is to be entertained, waste some time, and blow off some steam.

    He cited a lot of numbers about soldiers having trouble shooting and how that changed over time because of training method changes, but he forgot to mention that in each of these wars, the training and the scenario those soldiers were put in drastically changes whether or not they could actually pull the trigger. Yes, target practice will make you a better shooter, but playing “America’s Army” (which is a terrible game, by any standards) with not teach you proper gun maintenance, handling recoil, aiming, and everything you need to know to proper use a gun or any kind.

    Devin Moore trained on GTA? Not this crap again. It takes a particularly crazy individual to obsess over a game like GTA, which, in it’s earlier versions, was not really that great. Hell, obsession is a characteristic of psychosis, how is that not a sign? The kid wanted to kill, if it wasn’t GTA, he’d have found some movie to watch over and over and over, or some web forum full of psychotics telling him to do it. If that were the case,t hough, JT wouldn’t be a famous moron, and we wouldn’t be in this situation right now.

    I’ve gotta go email Glenn Beck, now, this is just too dumb.

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    GreatNocturn357 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i may attack Jacko in a smart way but im just gonna come out and say it. Glenn Beck is a retarded CNN fucktard who has to fight everything…hell i think that “we know the truth” station in GTA 4 features a guy that talks just like beck. next time…you know what screw it, fuck you glenn beck.

    also jack…please invite adam sesslar to you next debate…the man can put you in your place

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    Shadow Darkman, Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson, ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ahh… Jack, Jack, Jack. Once again you…

    T.O.S.: …PHAIL HORRIBLY!!! SAY IT, B**CH!!! *Shadow draws a knife and points it at T.O.S.* AAAAAAAAAAHH!!! *T.O.S. runs away*

    Shadow: Rrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Anyway, Jack, like I said, you lose.

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    Smarty Pants ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    90 million copies?! Seriously? O.k., I don’t really play GTA but I know it’s sold less than that
    And, if Glenn really believes in that “military using games to train to kill” poop, then he and JT can kiss my wrist for all I care R.I.P CNNHN

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    Brandon ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “The homicide rate doubled when television was first introduced in the 1950’s? Wow…yeah, I can see how all those violent shows like “I Love Lucy”, “Leave it to Beaver”, “The Munsters”, etc. creating mass murderers.”

    LOL I get really angry watching I Love Lucy on DVD. Oh man, I couldn’t stand watching the videos, so I didn’t, but if they said that, then they’re pretty stupid, but we already know that.

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    Gaffit ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I appreciate how he was brave enough to invite a defendent of video games on the show to counter Thompson’s stories with proven facts.

    Oh wait! Both those interviews were anti-video game weren’t they? How embarrasing!

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    beacon80 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That 15% in World War One? I don’t buy it. Not without some source to back it up. That sounds like the type of thing Grossman was spreading around before admitting that he didn’t interview anyone and just made it all up (I think that was Grossman, I know somebody did it).

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    Lou ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Once again Glen Beck proves to us why he is considered a “retard” among conservatives. This guy is the one who talks so much garbage that that makes Bill O’ Reilly from Fox News look like an abjective journalist. Thompson’s days as a lawyer are numbered and most if not all law enforcement agencies are not even paying attention to him. Headline news was such a great network but lastely it has gone to hell in a hand basket.

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    qAaRoN ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The homicide rate doubled when television was first introduced in the 1950’s? Wow…yeah, I can see how all those violent shows like “I Love Lucy”, “Leave it to Beaver”, “The Munsters”, etc. creating mass murderers.

    I also love the claims by JT about the VT massacre & blaming it on Counterstrike & Half-Life, when the FACT of the matter is, the killer played Sonic. Smooth move Jackoff Thompson.

    Seriously, why does anyone allow him to even speak anymore? He gets on camera & lies.The homicide rate doubled when television was first introduced in the 1950’s? Wow…yeah, I can see how all those violent shows like “I Love Lucy”, “Leave it to Beaver”, “The Munsters”, etc. creating mass murderers.

    I also love the claims by JT about the VT massacre & blaming it on Counterstrike & Half-Life, when the FACT of the matter is, the killer played Sonic. Smooth move Jackoff Thompson.

    Seriously, why does anyone allow him to even speak anymore? He gets on camera & does nothing but lie.

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    kaemmerite says:

    Just one question.

    If our own soldiers would not shoot at people during World War I, then how did they manage to shoot people during, oh, say, the Revolutionary War? Or how about the Civil War, where they were shooting THEIR OWN FAMILY in some cases?

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. Shut up Glenn Beck. You moron.

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    kurisu7885 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    There he goes again with ideas Rockstar wouldn’t even consider adding.

    And Thompson can;’t even begin to pretend to want the game rated AO to “protect the children”.

    If he did he wouldn’t only be targeting Take Two and Rockstar. He just wants the game to not sell.

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    TheStripe ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    From my email to Mr. Quack — I mean, Beck.

    “I was very disappointed to see your piece on Grand Theft Auto IV. I’ve always considered you a reliable source for a rational conservative viewpoint, but you totally screwed the pooch on this one. First, claiming that videogames are solely responsible for the increased effectiveness of the American soldier over the last sixty years is laughable. You’ve completely dismissed the advances made in psychology and the advanced brainwashing techniques that soldiers are subjected to in basic training. Soldiers pull the trigger because the whole of their training is aimed at that goal, not just because the targets are shaped like people. I’m also having some trouble finding the analogue between holding a large, heavy firearm, aiming it at a target shaped like a human, and learning to control it bucking and rocking in your arms as it fires lead projectiles sometimes a hundred meters away, versus lining an icon on a television set up with a target shaped like a human and pressing a button. Firing a real gun is a far more intense experience than any videogame I’ve played.

    Your discussion of the ESRB ratings was just as flawed as the ratings themselves. A/O, if you read it from the ESRB website, differs from M by only one year, A/O is 18+, M is 17+. These age limits were never mentioned. The primary criteria for making a game A/O has always been graphic sex, of which there is little to none in the console gaming industry. The assertion that GTAIV contains graphic depictions of sex is laughable. No penis appears in GTA. No nipples, either. I’ve seen hotter sex scenes on prime time TV.

    I think, though, the most disappointing part of this segment is that it’s basically a politco circle-jerk. How could you even expect to have a discussion with a shred of journalistic integrity with no one to represent the pro-free-speech stance? “

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    DDview says:

    So he starts by saying since 1997 90million copies of GTA have been sold. Shouldn’t there be millions of killers out there now? But how can he then say this is a murder training simulator? You can’t state how many games are out there without showing how crime has gone up in proportion. There were prostitute killing back in 97’s gta have we seen 90million killed prostitutes?

    Then he goes on with the $60 military training simulator. Again, if that is true, then why doesn’t the military simply get their soldiers to play GTA for a year straight? It would save the military MILLIONS of dollars every year and the soldiers would be so well trained that the Iraq war would have been done years ago. And if it worked that well don’t think the military wouldn’t use it. So either it does or doesn’t work. Which is it?

    I personally find him a joke and simply a great advertisement tool for the game. Thanks to his show, sales will jump up.

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    Round ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Does anyone know where I can obtain a list of Fox and Headline News advertisers. I have had enough of the lies and fear-mongering that get spewed by these organizations. I’m only one person, but I refuse to support any company that does business with these organizations.

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    Lanodantheon ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The one point nobody ever brings up in defense of GTA on shows like that is that it’s the player’s choice to do anything in the game. You don’t have to do much of anything outside of the regular mission.

    I look at this clip and then think about where I seen this kind of logic before:

    1)Everything JT has done or said over the years and

    2) The Urban Hellraisers episode of CSI: Miami Vice.

    I look at games like GTA and think, “This or a Hays Code for Video Games….I’ll take GTA” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_code for the uninitiated.)

    Although, if the Video Game industry had a Hays code, it would crumble too and Video games would be recognized as being an important part of culture.

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    Mwood says:

    A doubling of the homicide rate in the 1950’s from TV? Right. Obviuosly it had nothing to do with a boom in the local population of the united states or “”baby boom” if you will. Try reading a book called Freakonomics which cites the rise and fall of crime rates to that of population control measures such as birth control which was the real reason for the rapid decline in violent crime rates in the mid to late 1980’s, not stiffer laws on crime. The insinuation, and I’m sure many people would understand this, is that there is a direct correlation between crime rates and population levels not popular media as he and others would have us believe.

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    Christian says:

    Someone needs to tell him that what he said is a bold face lie. The military is not desensitizing soldiers to violence. With both my brothers in the army I take deep offense to this.
    I did write to Glen Beck telling him the man he is championing is facing disbarment and has been banned the Florida Supreme Court for his past filings. His coverage of the game was completely one sided, biased and unfair to the gaming community. I believe he was taking the findings he was “quoting” from his ass.

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    Steve-O says:

    The fact that they basically equate killing a fake person in a video game to killing a person in real life is ridiculous. People realize and know this is a game, the people in it are fake, have no minds no souls no families. If they’re “killed” (you can’t really kill something that’s not alive anyway), no one will miss them, it won’t hurt any REAL person. The biggest thing is that these idiots think killing fake people who don’t matter at all in the world will somehow translate to killing real people, its ridiculous. Whereas someone would have no problem if they accidentally run over a pedestrian in GTA4 (hey it happens right?), the same person would be crushed with guilt if they ran over a REAL person.

    These guys need their heads checked, its not us gamers that can’t distinguish between reality and a game, its people like GB and JT. If they really think that censoring fake murder will somehow get rid of it in real life then they are completely insane.

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    JBentley ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Territory is highly contested between members of the same species and nearly always results in violent displays and often death of one of the two. “

    Actually, no that’s not quite true. VIolent displays are just that, displays. Serious wounds between members of the same species are uncommon, mortal ones even more so.

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    Gameclucks says:

    Glenn Beck? More like Doofus McSchmuck! Amirite?

    Damn, I wanted to do better, but watching that video was such a mind-numbing experience that most of the creative parts of my brain had to shut down in order to survive watching it without clawing my eyes out. Sorry, Rhade.

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    Gremlin55 says:

    I sent an email to them as well, I just can’t believe the level of BS on there. I thought debates were supposed to have people representing both sides, not just one side gang banging the other and laughing the whole time while we have to sit and watch and just clench our teeth even more.

    Now I don’t agree with everything in the game, such as the prostitutes and strip clubs, but I’m letting that get in the way of a great game cause guess what…..I can avoid them! One thing I bet might of happened was glen probably asked JT to be on the show and was about to get a person for the other side, but JT more than likely freaked out and said he would only come on as long as someone else wasn’t debating him. Since he’s scared to be bitch slapped on TV by someone stating facts to him and has no answer to give about it.

    Oh well……

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    Serrenity ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I love how the general consensus seems to be that just because you “can” do it, means that you will, and that you will therefore become a killer because of it. I mean, the game is being praised as a sandbox kind of game, where you can do whatever you want … literally, whatever you want. These people seem to only be highlighting the negative aspects of what you can do.

    Like most things in life, it’s a decision to act in the game in a certain way. Granted, because it’s a game, and I think the Greater Internet F*ckwad theory applies here, people will do it. But the fact remains that when playing the game, no one is forcing you to kill the prostitute, sleep with the prostitute, or even kill anyone. I find it disgusting that the fact that we give a choice in the game is what is being attacked.

    The logic of “Just because you can, means that you will in every case,” doesn’t really fly with me. I know personally, I killed a couple prostitutes (whoops) but not every time. The fact of the matter is that more often than not, I made the *choice* to do something different in the game.

    Apparently, people can’t be trusted to make their own decisions in a video game, let alone real life ….

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    EvilTikiMan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Did anyone else find something wrong with what was said in the first video about the Military and the Korean war bit. You know that part where he says that the military has been using electronic simulations to “condition” soldiers to shoot. The Korean war was in about 1950, and the first real Videogame was made in 1947, 3 years before the war, and that first videogame was not much more then a small blip moving over another blip in a simulated game of tennis. Whats more is that it was made by two college dudes for fun. Maybe I miss interpreted what he was saying there, But I do know that it was a hate filled speech and that little disclaimer thing he says in the beginning is pure BS. His only Slightly redeeming feature is that he says that the blame is on all of pop culture, but even then he is still being a @!#@%$ about it.

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Yes, the amount of soldiers who will shoot to kill in wars has gone up since WW2. In vietnam it was 90%!”

    Pardon? Did someone actually try to use shooting to kill in a war as some form of evidence? What, in hell’s bathroom, does that have to do with anything?? IT’S WAR – not super-happy-fun-time! (sigh)

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    GenericName says:

    i’m 15, i bought gta4 on the first day it came out, i’ve played Rated M games since i was 10, yet i’m a pacifist….did the video game industry fail to turn me into a killer or something.

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    Haggard ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yes, the amount of soldiers who will shoot to kill in wars has gone up since WW2. In vietnam it was 90%!

    Now.. if only I could remember when videogames were invented.. must have been just after WW2, right?

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    janarius ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I got back spasms when I heard the evidence being said. Most of what Mr. Beck said in the first part of the video is from Lt. Col. Grossman, which his “research” is mostly scanty evidence.

    Second part of the video, Mr. Mckiernan got the wrong organization in supporting the link between VG violence and violent behaviour. It’s so wrong. Medical research? *spams* Thompson? Well it’s him anyways.

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    mjnam ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Glenn Beck is the same guy who thought that the biggest problem with health care in America is that hospitals are no longer empathetic and friendly or some crap.

    He was whining about his gallstone pain, and wasn’t happy with the brusque treatment he received. Although, I’m sure he didn’t have trouble paying for the procedure.

    It’s the stupid leading the blind on the Glenn Beck show.

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    Dan ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Is he actually arguing the majority of people had trouble killing each other prior to the invention of targets and dummies? People didn’t seem to have much trouble killing each other prior to WWI. And that was more often than not up close with blades.

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    Baramos says:

    What I never understand about these arguments about the military using video games to desensitize soldiers is you’ll have the same talk-show host turn around and in another segment talk about how great the military is and how it’s a good career and how we should support our troops. Which is it? Are they desensitizing people into killing machines, or creating good citizens? You can’t have your pie and eat it too, Glenn Beck. I won’t let you.

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    naton ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “I know that when i say this about 80% of the people in america they hear me and go oh geeze heres a crazy conservative on tv screaming about the dangers of video games…”

    lol anyone else think its funny how he followed that bit up there^ with this

    “we are training our kids to be killers, and we are teaching our sons to treat women like whores”

    really doesnt help convince me that hes not a ‘crazy conservative’

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    DT says:

    Wow Jack brings his crusade to a whole new level. Devin Moore didn’t make a decision to kill 3 police officers which he is now on death row to pay for that decision. Devin Moore is the victim because retail stores sold him a game, and they are the ones at fault? CNN, Fox News, just in broadcasting for the money. There is a big reason why a lot of people are getting the news from the daily show.

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    Video Game Otaku ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wow…not only is Glenn a incopitent moron…but he is sexist! Notice when he said “When your son or boyfriend or husband plays GTA…” o_O so now all gamers are men? Im surprized no one has called him out on this. Im not so much of a fan of the GTA franchize, RPGs are more my thing, but I have played III, and my girlfriend absolutely loves the GTA games. We are both non-violent adults who grew up with games.

    “Killing is not in human nature…”

    …do wha? did someone actually say that!? This proves that he is JT’s Beyotch robot. Basic human…no basic instinct of all living creatures are: Eat, Sleep, Procreate, and Survive. The last one dominates all other traits. In humans its even more stronger and violent being as we are some effed up creatures who can do amazing things with knowledge. For as long as there has been man there has been the instinct to kill, even the first offspring of man-kind commited murder (Cane and Able…take that JT). So to say that Humans dont have it in our instincts is BS, just look at all the wars and butchery we have seen in the history of man (Correct me if Im wrong…but Hitler, Dracula (The actual lord that the whole vampire thing is based from Count Dracule or something), Bloody Mary, Gangus Khan and all the other war leaders and people who commited huge killings in the name of conquest, religion, or just plain fun did not have Media to corrupt them.

    Its this blind witch hunting that people fuel, all these rightious crusades, and all of the half-truths that the media and people who claim they have expertise in that really piss me off.

    and anooother thing…where was the debate? all I saw were three people gang banging. they should be banned for showing children a gang rape of a game! o_O And the whole “Kill prositute and cops” is all user choice…its not in the game as a requirement, its in there to give you a true sence of freedom in a crime rpg, and they fail to point out that for doing twisted stuff there are repercussions, your not rewarded…but punished…noobs.

    @JT: get some new material, your like a broken record. Actually get a new brain, yours is defective…actually, just diaf, kthxbye ^_^

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    Skylar ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Do you think that they would be shocked to find out that the game can’t be finished in 7 or 8 hours, but takes over 30?

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    TheRoosterRngr says:

    “Oh Jeeze he is another conservative on t.v. screaming about the dangers of video games!” What a douch. To think, at one time I held a little respect for this guy. Well, I guess things change when someone sleeps with the enemy.

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    Waffles ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m not going to click on either one of those clips for fear that it will make me burst a blood vessel in anger as with the FOX news Mass Effect coverage.

    I’m assuming the whole thing was dumb and incredibly one-sided.

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    KCVocals ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Two things:

    1. I love how JT stated that he was suing Target, Walmart, Best Buy and GameStop for training Seung-Hui Cho and Steven Kazmierczak how to kill (never mind that the perpetrators were 23 and 27 respectively, well over the 17 year old minimum to purchase M rated games, but hey, who needs FACTS anyway…)

    2. Not going to defend the show, or the idiot behind the desk, but Glen Beck is hardly what you would call “Journalism.” His show is an opinion show and, unfortunate as it is, he is allowed to be as stupid as he wants on it.

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    wheelchairman2 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    you can have oral and anal sex with the strippers? What was that an update i missed? Last i knew you could only have an extremely unsexy lapdance with slightly dodgy animation, not exactly pornographic is it?

    And i nearly burst out laughing at the psuedo monatage of the prostitute killing clips lol.

    just remember kids… MURDER SIMIULATOR!!! hahahahahaha…. well gee jack, i’m 17 and have played every GTA out there and i haven’t killed anyone yet! Whoops, the game industry must’ve slipped up there huh… i’m an anomaly i guess, because none of the results of your numerous medical studies seem to have been applied to me yet.

    Another flaw in your plan, don’t you think that most kids with the slightest bit of morality in them would see that it is in fact wrong to pick up a gun, steal a car and shoot 3 cops? Because i sure as hell would, y’know why? Because my parents saw fit to instill a sense of right and wrong in me from a young age.

    One final thing, its hardly a simulator is it? If i could pick up an RPG7 and blow up a car in the middle of the street and get 1 police car turn up as a result, i think the pollice would have a lot to answer for!

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    mogbert ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I skipped it and I’m glad. I’m also glad that my work blocks those clips because I don’t think I’d want to see them. This kind of mastabatory circle jerk disguised as news is one of the reasons I don’t watch “news” anymore. News stations and interviewers are more about spreading their own personal truth then finding what the actual, or at least higher, truth really is.

    This “interviewer” already had his own feelings on the subject, his own opinions, and so he sought out two people who share those opinions and pretends to interview them.

    What were you expecting? Were you expecting them to be called out on any falsehoods, and wrong assumptions? Did you expect them to actually look at the game? Were you expecting them to say “the flying in the game is actually quite relaxing”?

    No, they would feed on their own ignorance, like three snakes eating eachothers tails.

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    Hackangel ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    After all this moral outrage one thing will remain the same. Jack Thompson will fail to have criminal charges brought against Take-Two andGrand Theft Auto IV will sell millions of unit.

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    MSchmahl says:

    So far I have only watched the first part, and the first ten seconds of the second part. The silhouettes-on-the-practice-range sounds like a bunch of made-up-stuff. Television alone doubled the homicide rate? Sound like more made up junk to me.

    As for the three words “Grand Theft Auto” sending chills down parents’ spines, well, GTA IS NOT MEANT FOR KIDS. Actually, if I were a parent, I might allow my child to play GTA, but I would be certain he or she knew the difference between fantasy and reality.

    So, after Mr. Beck makes his ridiculous rant about GTA IV, he then introduces Gavin McKiernan and Jack Thompson. Wait, this is journalism? “I hate GTA, and here to debate are two people who agree with me?” At least in my day, biased journalism was bringing someone of the opposing viewpoint and interrupting them every two seconds. This would be like having a Reagan vs. (GHW) Bush debate.

    Oh well, it’s things like this that make me glad I don’t pay attention to TV.

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    jadedcritic ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The “murder simulator” bit gets real old real fast in my mind. I tend to think it trivializes the act. I can only imagine how somebody coming back from iraq, (for example), would react if you asked them, “so it was like a game right?”

    Simple truth is, I used to have a friend who was a gun owner, pretty strong in his convictions. He once told me that he found it fairly hard to understand, that I could be so squeamish around his guns (I pretty much treated them like live serpents), and yet go completely postal on him in Unreal Tournament. I honestly didn’t know how to respond to that, I would’ve thought the answer would be obvious.

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    TheBird says:

    i don’t think HN has anything to do with CNN anymore

    its just another news network now

    im sure someone will volunteer to show up on there to refute his claims soon

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    Shadow Darkman, Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson, ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @Shadow Darkman

    I just had a daydream after reading the latest articles.

    Shadow Darkman: Hey, Jack, put this costume on and hold this Buster Sword for me.

    Jack Thompson: Uhh… O.K.

    *J.T. puts a Cloud Strife outfit on. S.D. walks out as he does so. Soon J.T. is finished, and S.D. comes back with a 14-foot-long wakisake*

    J.T.: So very, very cheap.

    S.D. Descend, Heartless Angel!

    J.T.: *sees the halo over his head* Aww… sh**.

    *J.T. dies and S.D. is seen comforting Patricia and J.T. Jr.*

    I added the bold face in case the BlockQuote didn’t work.

    EDIT: The BlockQuote worked, but…

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    Shadow Darkman, Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson, ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I just had a daydream after reading the latest articles.

    Shadow Darkman: Hey, Jack, put this costume on and hold this Buster Sword for me.

    Jack Thompson: Uhh… O.K.

    *J.T. puts a Cloud Strife outfit on. S.D. walks out as he does so. Soon J.T. is finished, and S.D. comes back with a 14-foot-long wakisake*

    J.T.: So very, very cheap.

    S.D. Descend, Heartless Angel!

    J.T.: *sees the halo over his head* Aww… sh**.

    *J.T. dies and S.D. is seen comforting Patricia and J.T. Jr.*

    I added the bold face in case the BlockQuote didn’t work.

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    Stefaan says:

    I’m in Australia, the sex was toned down so it could obtain an M 15 rating as Aus does not have an adult rating at all.

    So the comment that the sex was taken out even for adults here is a total lie.
    Get your facts straight Thompson.

    And pretty poor there CNN taking the road of sensationalism rather then journalism.

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    Raven says:

    Considering Glen Beck is the same man who proclaimed that the movie Happy Feet was a plot on the part of the UN to have the U.S. agree to environmental resolutions, this isn’t surprising in the least.

    And people wonder why there’s a growing drop in viewer-ship of the 24-hour cable news networks.

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    tony selby ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i loved jacks comment of devin moore being a kid with no criminal record prior to his killed of the 3 police officers, as i recall he stole the gun and shot the police officers while in booking for suspicion of stealing a car, i call that a criminal act prior to his killing the 3 officers

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    Dick Ward ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I absolutely love this. Apparently it’s stupid to blame all of societies problems on videogames, but it makes sense to blame them on videogames, TV, and movies. That’s rational thinking for ya.

    “There’s no doubt in my mind or in the mind of Ed Bradley” Yeah, but the police, the court system… they don’t really believe you.

    “You can have oral and anal sex” No I’m pretty sure you can’t.

    “Thousands of studies have shown the effect…” No. No it hasn’t.

    “This is the game your son, boyfriend or husband is playing” Ehm, girls don’t play GTA?

    Also, I haven’t seen any school shootings in GTA IV, nor have I seen a rise of prostitute beatings, so I’m not sure what their point is.

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    T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He is just one man

    I like how jack is like a robot, wind him up and point him at an interview and all you get is “60 Minutes, Counter-Strike, Murder Simulator” and so forth

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    @ Falcon4196

    I think everybody was thinking that before, when he

    – Made light of a gamer that committed suicide
    – Sent gay porn to a court docket
    – His ‘Picture Book for Adults’
    – ‘I’ll depose President Bush’
    – ‘I’ll depose the Department of Defense’
    – Uses his son and wife as scapegoats for his infantile behavior
    – Generally acts like he knows what being a lawyer is

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    L42yB ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Did he just imply (in the first video) that TV and all creative media should also be shut down…? He has a strange job for someone who truly believes all of that nonsense…

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    Unrated ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    TV doubles homicide rates?
    Well GTA didnt really do all that much to our kids or our cops Soooo by those statistics kids SHOULD play the game, and adults shouldnt.

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    NovaBlack ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    “Killing each other is not a natural instinct” .

    um actually it really is…

    have a look at nature dumbass. Territory is highly contested between members of the same species and nearly always results in violent displays and often death of one of the two.

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    Falcon4196 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    That has to be the biggest load I’ve ever heard.
    “Killing each other is not a natural instinct” So all those wars that happened through out history (the Crusades, French Revolution) they were caused by what?

    Good Old Jack. Notice how he doesn’t mention the fact that Devin Moore was convicted of those murders despite his GTA made me do it defense. Plus he even slipped in the Virgina Tech shooting even though that had nothing to do with games.

    My favorite was Jacks rant that GTA IV MA rating was a criminal conspiracy by the ESRB to sell this game to minors. I didn’t think it was possible but I think old Jackie has finnally gone of the deep end. Why would the ESRB who has no financial stake in this game care about how well it sells?

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    Conejo ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    anyway, i went to CNN.com and posted a negative remark in their comments section of Mr. Beck’s program.

    i suggest everyone do the same.

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    hayabusa75 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t know why I continue to watch these clips. Uninformed gibberish mixed with outright lying, sprinkle in a bit of holier-than-thou and you have a recipe for disaster that turns my stomach.

    I liked how they failed to include anyone in the discussion that might be able to provide counterpoint. Oh no, just Jack Thompson, consummate idiot, some douchebag from Pushing Toward Censorship, and Glenn Beck is no better. I’m fairly certain JAMA never said the advent of television was the cause of a doubling of the homicide rate, more likely that it was merely correlative.

    I’m definitely contacting CNN and making my voice heard. We proved how effective a force we can be when we band together (Mass Effect and Cooper Lawrence), so I hope we can continue the trend.

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    Mook ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m appalled at this. So many wrong facts, they’re passing off as journalism. I like when Jack said he could fill up 30 minutes talking about the cases. How many did you win you tool.

    also, there is way more to the game than the whole hooker thing, yet they seem to be focusing on it as the main point of the game. Its stupid sensationalism. I played GTA3, (which was the first 3D one, not the first one) and didn’t even know about the whole kill a hooker thing until the news told me.

    Good work there protecting people.

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    Hans Moleman says:

    God I wish the industry would bring down the law on these idiots… full of sickening slander and lies.

    Pardon my french, but that is the most fucked up display of journalism I have ever seen…

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    Dracis says:

    I always knew Glenn Beck was out there and a bit off his rocker, but I never knew he was this bad. I just don’t even know how to comment, except to say, if this is the conservastive faction in the US, I am definately not one of them.

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    OJ says:

    I’d like to read those “thousands of studies” the second guest talked about. I’m also wondering why, in the case of the kid mentioned by JT early on in the interview, the one who killed 3 police officers, the kid’s parent’s allowed him to play up to 16 hours a day. That’s ridiculous. And where was an opposing viewpoint?

    Blah, it’s like the Mass Effect Cooper crap all over again.

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    MonkeyFace ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    oh and sorry for the double post
    but did you notice that they neglect to tell people that women play this game too?
    And they neglected to have anyone to speak on the behalf of the videogames!

    wow…just wow

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    PHOENIXZERO ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Beck was too busy performing fellatio to Ben Stein over his new “movie” and other things to bother with anything else today.

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    Matt ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I sent this to Glenn Beck:

    Way to buy into the anti GTA hype machine Glenn. Taking anything Jack Thompson says as fact makes you a fool. Perhaps you should read Grand Theft Childhood before you go on spouting off from your soapbox.

    But what would I expect from anyone of you “journalists”. You’re all a bunch of manipulative liars with their own agendas. You don’t report news, you shape it for how you want it to sound.

    Here’s your homework: go look into the career of Jack Thompson, his lies, his debarrment hearing going on in Florida, and his unprofessional conduct and report on that. Oh, right, that would involve doing some actual research. Something you haven’t done probably since a 3rd grade science project that your parents probably had to do for you anyway.

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    TheEdge ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ugh….just ugh.
    I’m SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of Conservative bullsh*t!!!!!!
    Why in same f*ck can’t they keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about?!

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    JustChris says:

    How did the stupid become the leaders?

    As far as I know a leader needs to be two things, an innovator and a communicator. And Glenn Beck sure doesn’t sound like an innovator to me.

    I sure wish big news networks would stop putting extreme left or extreme right views to the pulpit because at heart, most Americans are more Centrist than anything. You can’t put a giants and a midgets in a room and call it a diverse group. What’s missing is everyone in between.

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    Jabrwock ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Glenn Beck is trying REALLY hard to be CNN’s Bill O’Reilly. Aggressively opinionated, and mind-crushingly stupid.

    This is the same guy who declared that Rev. Wright is the most dangerous man in America…

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    TheTrinity says:

    I just couldn’t watch the second video. I got to about 1:30 and just stopped watching the crap about the school shootings and cop training simulator. It’s people that convict first, ask questions later that really tick me off

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    Salen says:

    @Hayabusa: Because its like watching a trainwreck. GB is an idiot pundant and JT is just an idiot, and frankly, watching both together is like watching the blind leading the blind, or something. I don’t know.

    Anyways, there JT goes again, making up stuff thats not in the game, again.

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