Barack Obama / GTA IV Mashup Posters Spotted in L.A.

Barack Obama / GTA IV Mashup Posters Spotted in L.A.

May 7, 2008
Barack Obama may have dissed Grand Theft Auto IV a bit last week, but, on the streets of L.A. at least, the candidate and the controversial game have become one.

G4TV's Attack of the Show producer Luke Wahl spotted some Barack Obama / GTA IV mashups around town:

Comments

@AdioBam

Ya, electing people with experience has been workign well so far..... oh, wait.
JackDon'tKnowJack: Invoking Godwin as "thread over" is an automatic failure to end the thread.
KICKASS!
Haha, thats pretty cool.
[...] wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptBarack Obama may have dissed Grand Theft Auto IV a bit last week, but, on the streets of L.A. at least, the candidate and the controversial game have become one. G4TV’s Attack of the Show producer Luke Wahl spotted some Barack Obama / GTA IV mashups around town: [...]
Wow! Now that's a political message. Completely awesome.
Have to get that young vote somehow!
I have this epic mental image of a line of Marines fighting Insurgents in the Background, and Barack Obama giving a Muslim Child a Teddy Bear in the foreground. That's a campaign poster.
That's a... little strange. But actually really well made.
Follow the G4 link - I for one liked the Hope Man poster better. Though that might be because I'm looking too hard for the actual message of Obama in 'Grand Hope IV' when the actual message is probably something along the lines of 'Obama iz teh awesum!!1!'
So which side is Barack really on? My guess is he is only bashing GTA4 in public to keep Jack Thompson from forcing him off the ballot. To expand on my guess, Barack knows that kids can tell the difference between reality and fantasy and therefore can decide not to shoot up their schools.
Epic artwork
I have a better poster: "Grand Theft America." I'm no fan of George W. Bush, but the country can do better than someone as empty and devoid of ideas as Barack Obama.
@Sherlock

Yeah! Ummm...sorry, we're all SOL if you mean pick one of the other two candidates.
@Sherlock

dude...you give gamers a bad name with your baseless hatin, just because you didnt bother looking at Obama's ideas...there all over his debates, his own website, and his last book. Of course they not be the best of ideas to some..but still turning a blind eye and covering your ears and saying he is devoid is dumb.

Anyway..this article is about creativity meshing two icons, not political opinion highhorsing.
@JustChris

Don't you mean the other THREE candidates? You seem to forget that Ron Paul is still in the running.

Ron Paul is still very much in the running with a little over 1 million people supporting him. McCain support is diminshing very quickly simply because he is a war monger.

@Arion

Obama's ideas are....extremely lacking in most areas. As you said though, this isn't a political highhorsing article.

I will admit that the artwork is very creative.
[...] pm on May 7, 2008 | # | Seems some political minded GTA 4 gamers and Barack supports are supporting him in their ownspecial way.   [...]
@Shadow Darkman
"to keep Jack Thompson from forcing him off the ballot"

As if JT had that kind of power...
So.. Recycling someone else's ideas and slapping a "HOPE" sticker on it? What a fitting metaphor for his whole campaign.

Personally, I would have gone with "Grand Theft George McGovern Platform 72" or something for the poster. But I guess that doesn't really roll off the tongue as easily..
@Shadow Darkman

I don't believe Obama's done any bashing of GTA4. I'm sure he doesn't know who Jack Thompson is. Video games are simply not an issue for his campaign one way or another.
I wonder who made these, as I highly doubt the Obama campaign itself is responsible.
@illspirit

George McGovern (who incidentally just switched his endorsement from Clinton to Obama, for whatever that's worth), like John Kerry, ran against a Republican incumbent who at the time still maintained a certain level of popularity with the public. Obama, by contrast, is running for an open seat following the least popular president in recorded history, as a Democrat in a time when Bush and the neocons have dragged the entire Republican brand into the trash.
@Olipyr: Ron Paul's campaign is incredibly full of optimism that would be heartwarming if it weren't almost absurd in the face of its opposition. I do somewhat hope that he runs on a third party - I just have no illusions that he's probably going to poll less than 0.5% if he does.

As for Obama himself, his ideas are perhaps only marginally better than Hillary's, but at least he seems sincere about wanting to improve the country. Hillary still strikes me as horribly inauthentic - she'll say whatever it takes for a vote just so she can move into a bigger office, not because she actually cares about this country. Yeah, it's kind of shallow basing a preference on oratory skills, but there's not enough policy differences between the two to make for much of an intelligent decision.
Why is the word "dissed" in the article? I clicked on the link and I didn't see one instance in the linked article where Sen. Obama "dissed" GTA IV.

Not once in his comments did Sen. Obama "dis" GTA IV. People saying that he "bashed" GTA IV need to get a clue.

I personally thought his comments about video games and entertainment as a whole and parents' responsibility were well-reasoned and rational.

That's considered "bashing" and "dissing" now? Really?

I mean, I like this site and I'm a huge gamer (30 years old, college graduate, married, relatively successful), and I love GTA IV, but there's sometimes that we can be a little too sensitive any time a politician mentions a video game.

Not every poltician is Jack Thompson.
Ron Paul is irrelevant. He is no longer a viable candidate.
Heh. Grand Theft America
Benji: Ron Paul is only keeping the campaign up so he doesn't have to give all the money he raised to McCain, who he doesn't like much.
@SFM Hobbes

Grand Theft America's taken. See Ultimates Vol.1 prt 2.
That was very well done poster... but Barack Obama is still a terrible candidate.
@Shih Tzu

As it shouldn't be.

In the grand scheme of things, the violent video game issue really means nothing. There are bigger fish to fry.
I'll admit that I don't like Barrack Obama much (the way his fans chant his name makes me think he's the anti-Christ), but he's less annoying than Hillary and I couldn't stand another Republican in the Whitehouse. He's getting my vote, unless Jesse Ventura runs in the race. GO JESSE VENTURA!!!!! :D
@Chalts

You say that like we have any good candidates.
@kurisu7885

I didn't mean to imply that we did. I'm so unenthusiastic about this race it's become "Who will screw up the country the least?"
@Chalts

Pretty much.
I can't believe that article. Obama is maybe the only top-class politician who didn't diss GTA, but rather gave an elaborate, balanced and thoughtful opinion on the matter. Anyway.
@Arion and JustChris
If you really believe a damn word of what Barack says about 'change', then I have some property I'd like to sell you in Florida.

I think the best hope for us would be John McCain; he doesn't seem so enthusiastic about videogame legislation. Sure, he pays lipservice, but he won't turn us into a communist nation like Hitlery, and his promises aren't hollow like Barack's.
I think it was a little irresponsible to say he dissed grand theft auto. All he said is that we should get kids outside more, doing my physical things, and interacting with people more. I for one agree, and I love my video games!

Plus, my guess is that the Obama camp didn't actually make this poster.
"I personally thought his comments about video games and entertainment as a whole and parents’ responsibility were well-reasoned and rational."

I second that. Obama seems to have more of a problem with the fact that kids are couch potatoes than any moral danger that violent games like GTA IV pose.
@Austin Lewis

If you believe that John McCain represents change, I got bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. A man who is running on a platform that could only be descibed as a 3rd Bush term is not considered change.

And you showed your hand when you called Sen. Clinton "Hitlery." Dazzling insight.

LOLOLOL
@ GRIZZAM 512

There is no such thing as the anti-christ. Just as there is no such thing as Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, etc.

If people worried more about the well being of their fellow man than appeasing the mythical, magic man who lives in the sky this world would be a much better place.
“I personally thought his comments about video games and entertainment as a whole and parents’ responsibility were well-reasoned and rational.”

Quoted again for truth.
He didn't hop on the "violent games are evil!" bandwagon like, oh say, Hillary did.
He just said kids need to be more active. Which they do.
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Yeah.
Retarded.

This is how you know when originality is dead, and political issues have become irrelevant. This is less about the issues at hand (which most people seem not to be able to figure out) and more about image.
I just love how the American people can come together and put their trust in a candidate with virtually no experience and a microscopic voting record.

yea, "God Bless America". we're gonna need it if he gets elected.
What The Hell
Grand Hope Audacity IV
WoW! That mediocre photoshop is so great and original. Lets all circle-jerk each other while we contemplate this man's greatness.
Obama dosen't want to ''turn us into communists''. He and Hillary just want healthcare that everyone can afford. ''Stopping children from ding of preventable diseases just becase they can't afford car?'' ""How evil of them.''It's not communism, it's social democracy, like they have in europe, which is in many ways better than what they have here. This fear of government run social services is a justification that the wealthy create so that they can avoid paying higher taxes.

Obama '08
@Clutch
I called her that before neo-cons took that name to her, thanks. I call her that because many of her policies, especially the 'Fairness Doctrine', range from Dictatorial to Communist in their viewpoints.

@ The conspiracy
"He and Hillary just want healthcare that everyone can afford."
Only Obama has a plan for that, and its not a very good one. Hillary's plan was to create a tax on smokable products in New York (this was while she was senator mind you) that would go into a 'child healthcare' plan.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! This healthcare plan would define children as people up to the age of 26, as well as being open to illegal immigrants! Therein, an entire family could be under this plan, from son to father.

The social health care system doesn't work all that well in many foreign nations, where you can enjoy being triaged from service to service without receiving necessary care, but the chick who wants a bigger rack can get her silicone tits.

The wealthy already pay the highest taxes. It evens out at about 52%. The poor pay about 4%, and can receive up to 20,000 dollars in benefits a year.

You want to know who's getting fucked? The middle class.

Adiobam has the right line anyway. How can you follow a man who doesn't know how HE stands on issues? A man who's claim that he'll lead us out of Iraq will either A. Destroy the region and our credibility or B. be a complete falsehood?
@Shih Tzu

I wasn't talking about electability or some such. I meant his platform of "vote for me and you'll get 'free' stuff."

@the conspiracy

"This fear of government run social services is a justification that the wealthy create so that they can avoid paying higher taxes."

Yay. Class warfare. If you're going to argue that Hillary and Obama aren't socialists, it would probably help if you didn't trot out Trotsky-esque cliches. ;)

And, umm, I'm poor, yet hate taxes and government run social services. Believe it or not, some of us *gasp* don't need or want a big nanny government coddling us or telling us what's best for ourselves. Imagine that.
[...] Given his frequent mentions of Grand Theft Auto IV, we can’t help but note the irony of these L.A. GTAIV alterations, snapped by G4TV’s Attack of the Show producer Luke Wahl. (Via Game Politics) Check out the highlights for today: [...]
Good to know that the rightards and Paulbots are out in force here. Way to prove yourselves the better people with your mindless bashing.
@Austin Lewis

Have any examples of Obama not knowing how he stands on issues, or is that just empty spin like "John Kerry is a flip-flopper" or "John McCain is an angry old man"?
@Austin: The wealthy also get the most breaks, subsidies, etc., so it all evens out, doesn't it? The middle and working classes end up fostering most of the tax burden anyway. And if the money generated from tax revenue were used more appropriately, say , for funding better educational programs, and offering true service programs that pay rather than leaving poor students with almost no other option than enlistment, it can go a long way towards improving the less-wealthy among us, and the country's overall well-being. Our tax dollars could go towards helping ourselves. Instead of sending off our money to insurance companies who don' have anything in mind but profit, why not use it to truly benefit us? Foreign universal healthcare plans have mixed results, with all of them being much better than the US healthcare system. None of those horror stories you're regurgitating about foreign healthcare systems hold water.
And...if the US cut its defense budget to a reasonable level, and got rid of standing armies and focused more on rebuilding the National Guard and Air National guard,ended the war, stopped nuclear weapons research and maintenance, and you know, made the Department of Defense the Department of DEFENSE instead of Preemptive Warfare, we could pay for all of the social programs we have now, and then some. The last time you could claim we had to actually defend the country was the Civil War. Last time we were invaded was the War of 1812, for god's sake, and we didn't need a huge, bloated defense budget to repel one of the world's best armies. Do we really need trillions upon trillions of dollars to spy on bad guys in caves and blow them up?

As far as your last comment goes...what are you talking about? Obama's been pretty clear that he wants the US to leave Iraq. I'm not to satisfied on his answers as to *when* this will happen, but it's comforting to know that he wants it to happen.
Besides, this is a presidential campaign. As our pal Donald Rumsfeld would have said: you have to go to the polls with the candidate you have, not the candidate you want. Out of the three and one half candidates from the major parties are concerned, Obama appeals to me the most. I used to respect McCain and Hillary Clinton, but after seeing how McCain has sold out to the ravenous right-wing crazies in his party, and how Clinton has sullied her hands with dirty politics, I can't support either of them in good conscience.
And forget Ron Paul. I respect him for his opinion on the war, but it comes out of isolationism more than anything else, which I can't agree with.
Oh, and I totally didn't notice that his picture was pasted over Playboy X's mug. Jesus, I would piss myself if I heard Barack call his cabinet members "money".
lol Obama appeals to everyone except white middle class workers, but they have not decided a presidential election in like four years
@Skyler

As if JT had that kind of power…


Wanna put money on that?

@Shih Tzu

I’m sure he doesn’t know who Jack Thompson is.


Someone had better tell him about JT or else JT will have him signing his drafted Anti-VideoGame Bills into law on the false grounds that they disrupt our very way of life.

This brings up something that went on several weeks ago.

At my school's Mock Election Debate, I brought up the school shootings and JT and how said JT is trying to blame the aforementioned shootings on video games. Right now I'm angry that I can't remember each candidate's response to it. Oh well.
@Shadow Darkman

@Skyler

As if JT had that kind of power…


Wanna put money on that?

@Shih Tzu

I’m sure he doesn’t know who Jack Thompson is.


Someone had better tell him about JT or else JT will have him signing his drafted Anti-VideoGame Bills into law on the false grounds that they disrupt our very way of life.

This brings up something that went on several weeks ago.

At my school’s Mock Election Debate, I brought up the school shootings and JT and how said JT is trying to blame the aforementioned shootings on video games. Right now I’m angry that I can’t remember each candidate’s response to it. Oh well.


EDIT: @Shih Tzu

I forgot to put in this quote out of the first sentence of the article.

Barack Obama may have dissed Grand Theft Auto IV a bit last week...


You said he didn't take a shot at GTA4, am I right? Re-read the article.
@ Austin Lewis

Just because you called her that before RW crazies did doesn't make it any less mouth-breathingly idiotic. If you disagree with her policies, that's fine. But comparing her to Hitler is just mind-numbingly stupid.

And if you really believe that she's wants to turn the country into a communist dictatorship, please loosen the fit of your tinfoil-helm.

This coming from the guy who thinks McCain represents "change." LOL
@Clutch
I never said any of them represent 'change'. I actually said none of them do.

The comparisons between her and Hitler are quite easy to draw. Look at some of the people who disappeared during her and her husband's ascent to power. Look at the dictatorial policies she wants to implement as President. Its very reminiscent of dictatores like Hitler and Hugo Chavez and Stalin.

I suggest you go out and listen to what they're saying and compare that to what they push and write, instead of basing your opinion on 'oh noes, he's a republican and she's a democrat, LOL.
@Scallion
As far as your last comment goes…what are you talking about? Obama’s been pretty clear that he wants the US to leave Iraq. I’m not to satisfied on his answers as to *when* this will happen, but it’s comforting to know that he wants it to happen.

Well, the thing of it is, it doesn't matter what Obama WANTS. Leaving Iraq would destroy the region, allow for a taliban-esque regime to take hold, and create a state similar to Palestine, where Hamas is the ruling party. Staying means more US Soldiers will die. Which one has worse consequences for the World? And Barack, being the little pansy that wants to run to the UN that he is, will likely settle for 'this is best for the world, we have to think internationally, blah blah blah blah.'

We won't be leaving Iraq in the next four years, and when we do leave, it'll be catastrophic.

There's a two part solution which would benefit Iraq and the US greatly, but no one is intelligent enough to find it.

The wealthy pay most of the taxes. The top 10 percent pay about 80 percent of the total taxes, although they have about 60 percent of the nation's wealth.

That being said, the richest among those often find ways to pay no taxes, or very low taxes. Meanwhile, people who work for their 250000 to 1000000 a year are taxed at 52.4 percent, meaning I don't make money for myself until July. There aren't a lot of subsidies just for being rich. If you open business that employ people you can get subsidies.

if the US cut its defense budget to a reasonable level, and got rid of standing armies and focused more on rebuilding the National Guard and Air National guard,ended the war, stopped nuclear weapons research and maintenance, and you know, made the Department of Defense the Department of DEFENSE instead of Preemptive Warfare, we could pay for all of the social programs we have now, and then some.

If we got rid of our 'standing armies' we'd have no QRF, no well trained military to support our allies in need, and no bases in the third world from which to launch attacks as may be needed. Your idea is tactically unsound. If we stopped nuclear weapons maintanence, we'd lose nuclear capability, and be the only nation that had lost it, making us an easy target for China or North Korea (North Korea being most likely, as they don't have a monetary investment in the USA's success). The National Guard and Air National Guard are doing just fine, I don't know where you get the idea they need rebuilding. One can still drive by Fort Johannesburg (spelling) and see the tanks and HMMWVs that all still function.

By the way, ending the war would have terrible costs for the USA as well.
"The comparisons between her and Hitler are quite easy to draw. Look at some of the people who disappeared during her and her husband’s ascent to power. Look at the dictatorial policies she wants to implement as President. Its very reminiscent of dictatores like Hitler and Hugo Chavez and Stalin. "

Easy to draw comparisons between Hillary and Hitler? You have no clue what you are talking about. I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but I can say that beyond a shadow of a doubt you are an idiot. You have no clue about history nor do you have any clue about what Hitler and the Nazi's represented if you are going to throw out a generalization like that. I've studied WWII and the Cold War, and to say that there is an easy comparison between is enormously ignorant and idiotic. Only the clueless jackasses at Red State and National Review make such claims.

I have studied the policy positions of all the candidates, and no where in any of Hillary's policy postions does she advocate the genocide of an entire race of people or anything close to the policy postions of Hitler and the NSDAP.

Your assertion is beyond stupid and has no basis in reality. But, Republican positions as of late are rarely based on reality.

I guess your using Jonah Goldberg's logic to make your assumptions? Protip: Jonah Goldberg has no idea what he is talking about.

Really, if you were intellectually honest, you would realize that the current president has made the greatest sweeping change towards making us a fascist dictatorship.

So, please, just shut up until you a clue about what you are talking about.
@Clutch
Really, how has he done that?

By penning the patriot act, which pretty much publicly admitted that we're spying on every phone call in the country, like we have been since the COLD WAR?


There is a very easy comparison between what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and what was done in Russia during the cold war, and if you were half as studied as you claimed to be you could see it. However, I'm willing to bet your 'study' was from your school textbook, and very little more. How many people did you talk to who lived in Soviet Russia? How many people did you talk to who remembered the concentration camps?

In Nazi Germany, the beginning of the Holocaust was marked by the slow loss of rights. Rights of weapon ownership. Loss of right to use public property like pools. Loss of right to attend public schools, public institutions. Loss of right to purchase certain things. Loss of the right to own your own store; jewish owned stores were quickly nationalized. These culminated in a gain that was undesirable: gaining an identification. The identifier, of course, being the star they were forced to wear and the cards they were forced to carry.

Let's cut over to Russia. It started quickly in Russia. You could no longer own firearms. You could no longer communicate with people on the other side of the Iron curtain. You could no longer have any American products. You could no longer use certain institutions unless you were part of the party. EVERYTHING was nationalized. And then? Stalin started killing off his own people.

What's Hillary's agenda? Do some research.
@ Austin Lewis

How has the Bush administration engaged in dictator-like behavior?

Umm... By ignoring the Geneva Conventions when they're inconvenient for its agenda? By systematically putting pro-war propaganda mouthpieces into the media? By deliberately flouting laws (such as wiretapping guidelines) set up to hold authorities accountable for their actions?

And no, I don't think Bush is still anything close to Hitler. But good lord, quit pretending you have anything relevant to say about Clinton. Other than baseless slippery-slope arguments and talk-radio conspiracy theories that have the Clintons running around assassinating people, you've got nothing.
@Shih Tzu

The Geneva convention only applies to Opposing Nations in a time of war. It doesn't apply to guerilla forces or insurgent forces.

Wiretapping laws have been flouted since wiretaps were around. Just because he does it publicly instead of pretending he's not doing it or selling out the people who do it makes him a bad person I suppose. As for the 'pro-war' mouthpieces in the media, what president hasn't done something similar? All those fluff pieces written for clinton, all the parrots for Sr., etc, etc, etc.

As for the deaths that the Clintons had arranged, you're right. People jump down elevator shafts with a bullet hole in their head all the time. Four reports of it in Little Rock within 2 weeks of each other, just coincidences right?.
@Olipyr

"Ron Paul is still very much in the running with a little over 1 million people supporting him. McCain support is diminshing very quickly simply because he is a war monger."

I'm going by delegate and superdelegate count here. Ron Paul's campaign is as good as over.

Obama may put a lot of fluff in his rally speeches but hey, that's why they're called RALLY SPEECHES! Their sole intention to get the crowd energized. Want to carry out government plans in detail, that's what state of the union addresses are for. He means well, at least better than Clinton. I see more sincerity in his tone. Obama tends to hide less about his agendas, and when it blows up in his face (as it did two weeks ago) he handles it honestly.
@JustChris

Yeah, I don't see that. I see someone who 1) relies on a cult of personality, not an agenda 2) is fairly shaky on his actual policies 3) has the farthest left-record of any of the Senate, 4) seems to enjoy associating with America-haters, 5) doesn't really see anything wrong with the above, which brings us to 6) tries to put himself out as "post-partisan" and "post-racial" while simultaneously representing neither and inflaming both racialism and partisanship.

Nobody really seems to question him on his agendas, and he doesn't seem to be able to defend himself properly. I don't like either Clinton or Obama, and feel neutral to McCain, but Obama would cause all kinds of problems for the nation.
@ Austin Lewis

If you have a murder to report, here is the contact info for the Arkansas state police:

Arkansas State Police Headquarters
1 State Police Plaza Drive
Little Rock, AR 72209
Phone/TDD: 501-618-8000
@Shih Tzu
The sad thing is, it's too long past the statute of limitations for a report. Besides, they won't do anything. The murders were already reported, and a lot of good it did them then.
I call Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies on Austin Lewis. End of thread.
@JackDon'tKnowJack
Isn't Godwin's Rule that someone will be compared to Hitler?
@Austin Lewis:

Or Nazis. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)
@Dark Sovereign,

Ah, I see that you just fear uncertainty more than being certain on what people stand for, even if they stand for things you don't necessarily like. I'd say our nation is fucked up economically and militarily right now to the point that it's reasonable to understand that people would choose a flash in the pan that might turn out to be good, over someone that has something to say. People that are so tired of Bush are put into a spot where they will take risks with anything else.
Also, some people are indulging a bit too much on their neo-con Koolaid.

Proletarii vsekh stran, soyedinyaytes!
"I’d say our nation is fucked up economically and militarily right now to the point that it’s reasonable to understand that people would choose a flash in the pan that might turn out to be good, over someone that has something to say."

But you see, that's why no one asks your opinion of our military.

To be honest, approaching 5000 dead isn't a big deal. Is it sad? Hell yes. Is it regrettable? Absolutely. Is it a 'huge military defeat' like everyone likes to think? No. The bigger problem is that people don't understand how to end the war, and think it'll become Korea all over again, when there's a very obvious 2 step solution that anyone with half a brain could see. But its interesting how Obama, with all his inteligence and whatnot, can't see it. Nor can Hitlery, or McCain, though McCain is closer to grasping it than the rest.

As for choosing a flash in the pan, that's always a great idea, especially when its a flash in the pan from a man filled with empty promises.

Let's all march to the idealistic tune of CHANGE!
If this were anywhere other than GP, people would say the Democrat-bashers pulled out of a box of neocon talk radio cereal. They're lucky they're in GP.
@JustChris
I like how you've lost the argument so you resort to poorly worded insults. Of course, if you want to follow Obama's banner of 'change' you're more than welcome to, but you'll find that he'll sell out gamers as quickly as he'll sell out gun owners.

@Damian

As long as Jack did it for the lulz its alright.
Well, can you trust Hillary, somoene who's already admitted that she's after the seat for the sole purpose of sitting in it, without giving a crap on what happens to the people of America if she ever manages to take office?

Obama wouldn't have set into motion a completely useless cut on gas tax, would he? McCain and Hillary, the only alternatives for presidency, would do just that. Of those three, which candidate therefore sounds more useless?

As said previously by another person, his ideas are not much better than Hillary's but at least he seems sincere about wanting to improve the country.
A tax cut on gas, considering that there is nearly a dollar in taxes on each gallon, is actually a great idea, as would be the dissolution of either medicare or medicaid and the folding of the dissolved agency in to the other. A tax cut for gas would allow poorer people to be more mobile, especially in regions where mass transit isn't a viable option. This would allow people to seek jobs in a larger area than currently is available.

As for medicaid/medicare, you can drop the huge cost of running one of the staffs of bureacrats and fold them into each other, and put the saved monies into paying off national debt, just like you could cut funding to the weird programs that every state has and save that money for the debt too.

Obama wouldn't set into motion anything helpful, would he? He just wouldn't do things you don't like about the other candidates, things which, in all reality, are actually a good idea. Cut out the tax that the EPA gets off of gasoline. Cut out the tax that the state takes from gasoline. Save the PEOPLE some money, instead of giving it to the nanny state.
I'm actually for the gas tax. Cutting it would cost dozens of thousands of jobs for construction workers, cost billions in taxes to important projects such as road and bridge creation and maintenance.....we are already taxed to fund these areas. So how will those people be able to drive safely without mass transit?

This idea has been tried before and usually gas companies just up their prices with the tax.
@JustChris

You know, oddly enough, money for the roads doesn't come from state governments, it comes from FEDERAL funding. Also, many states pay for roads via toll booths. So, those construction workers would still be working, because they still have money to maintain roads and bridges, as well as build new ones.

Most of the things you say are outright wrong and represent a poor understanding of how things in the US actually work.
"You know, oddly enough,

"You know, oddly enough, money for the roads doesn't come from state governments, it comes from FEDERAL funding"

The gas tax in question is a federal tax as well, which is why Hillary and McCain can affect it through the congress. What, you think they can just clap their hands and change state level affairs such as state taxation?

Also, many states pay for roads via toll booths.

And 'many states', in fact every single one of them, also adds some taxation to gas prices. That's just how it is.

So, those construction workers would still be working, because they still have money to maintain roads and bridges, as well as build new ones.

Let's just try to do this by common sense. We have an area that receives X amount of funding from toll booths AND taxation. Now you cut away the taxation part. The funding goes down. Which means that regardless of what you've said, there _will_ be construction issues, which in turn means less employed construction workers, people that aren't typically incredibly well off, which means even more depression in the US economy.
As well as this:
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-24679953.h...

Seems like that commission didn't quite agree with your notion that those extra cents a gallon are expendable.

@JustChris There's nowhere

@JustChris

There's nowhere else to come up with that funding, right? There's no ridiculous programs spending 12 million dollars on doing nothing, right?

 

PS:

The state gas tax is 25 cents average. 

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Posted 11/23/09 at 10:08am
Rodrigo Ybáñez García: The very definition of "Lucky Shot":
Posted 11/23/09 at 07:56am
DarkSaber: http://tinyurl.com/yl2vfw6 Here's the link, good for conspiracy theories.
Posted 11/23/09 at 07:42am
JDKJ: Leaders never follow. Followers never lead.
Posted 11/23/09 at 06:48am
DarkSaber: Anyone been following this Hadley Climatic Research Centre server hack story?
Posted 11/22/09 at 11:48pm
ZippyDSMlee: AE:they feeding you well? I am enjoying win7 and heading to bed...uhg I need to get up early and start back to cleaning/painting blahg >< need tog et stuff done befor thanksgiving....
Posted 11/22/09 at 11:41pm
Andrew Eisen: Just got home from an eight hour recording session at Capitol Records. A lot of fun but damn exhausting.
Posted 11/22/09 at 08:44pm
BearDogg-X: 10 N. O. Who Dat?
Posted 11/22/09 at 09:45am
ZippyDSMlee: JD:I think doc phill is still sout about the break up with his wife he dose not fill holes as much as make them bigger these day
Posted 11/22/09 at 12:06am
JDKJ: You should get Phil McCraken to help you spackle those banisters.
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:57pm
ZippyDSMlee: Oh in the pirate hunter article I need my song ieda heckled DS,JD,Beemon sic im !!!
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:56pm
ZippyDSMlee: JD:no I am tried from prepping the banisters for painting , worked on them from 12 to 4 and 6 to 8...after I got back from the store...got up early got ready...blah...been up all day..I need a nap...
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:42pm
JDKJ: No. You gonna stay up late tonight soldering?
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:41pm
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:Don't you mean Mctite?
Posted 11/21/09 at 11:33pm
JDKJ: @Zip: Neil, Bob, and Lik McTaint. The McTaint brothers. LOL!!!
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:44pm
Flamespeak: I still think military personell, killing other military personell, on a military complex should be handled by military courts.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:43pm
Flamespeak: I could see this a mixture of the two charges rather than just one or the other.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:43pm
Flamespeak: I think this was mainly a person who snapped, but evidence is showing he definitely had strong inlinations to islamic-extremism.
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:41pm
Flamespeak: People are trying to claim that Hasan's actions were not terrorism. I don't jump on the 'terror train' like others, however
Posted 11/21/09 at 09:38pm
mentor07825: Britain certainly does deserve it! And the French! God damn it, it was a hand ball!!!
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