*Sigh* try kane and lynch on pc.

6 months on and not a single patch. all we get from eidso is locked threads and empty promises. I acnt get my money back from the store, and they wont give me it back so i have a £30 drinks coaster.

i wish companies would stop doing this. At least Rockstar got a ps3 patch out within a week. Ill give them credit for that.

I've had freezing and disc read issues on my 360 with GTA IV, and I think they may be related. GTA streams a lot off the disc, so if at any time the game can't read from the disc it crashes gracefully (gives a disc read error message) or not so gracefully (game freezes, though the radio station remains playing). The reason that I think these are related is because a) The freezing happened only when I was crossing bridges, which would be a likely spot for loading data into memory, and when I used compressed air to blow out and dust in the 360 it seemed to fixed both problems.

So, it at least for me it doesn't seem to be a game issue, but a hardware issue. Since the game streams so much data from the DVD it super-amplifies any problems with the DVD drive.

Sony made a post someplace that they put out a patch to reduce the crash and freezing of the game online for the PS3, but I don't recall where I found it.

When you've got so many different SKUs and chipsets across the board, there's bound to be some problems.

Sorry for double-post, but GTA IV has also stolen the sales record.

6 million copies in a week. Over a half billion USD, according to the CNN News article here.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/08/gta.sales/index.html

Game reviewing runs a strange line between consumer report and experience evaluation.

Online had major issues that Sony addressed in a recent patch, while the 360 multiplayer, for me, has been no more shaky than any other (I blame my router, and my inability to chnge its settings)

ive had gta4 since release, currently on 52% with over 45 hours played and its frozen on me once. I just reset it and it booted back up right away. My Xbox360 is brand new however, premium edition.

[...] GamePolitics wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptNext Generation is reporting GTA IV glitches on the PlayStation 3 version. Joystiq notes that, despite Take Two chairman Strauss Zelnick’s assertion that the game has no glitches, a PS3 patch has been released. Today’s Mirror reports: Internet forums dedicated to the game have been flooded with complaints from buyers. Hundreds of posts claim the £44.99 game does not work properly on the Sony PlayStation 3 console or on Microsoft’s Xbox 360. And a HMV stores spokesman said: “We have had people come back to us saying that their game has been freezing.” Others say they cannot play it on the net because online servers are jammed. [...]

My xbox360 used to freeze quite often. The laser in the DVD player finally went out, and I sent it back for repair. It's been much more stable since then. With the 360, at least the early generations, the hardware is so bad it's difficult to blame the games for these types of issues.

The PS3 hardware is supposedly better, but both of them are really pushing the edge of what is possible to produce at that price. They could be done better, but in companies as large as MS and Sony you can't avoid politics creating bad engineering decisions.

I wouldnt have bought a ps3 anyways, except to use as a wii stand.

I find it odd that you said yourself you've had no problems thus far, then wonder about reviewers. Seems reasonable that they also have been as lucky as you have.

With all the copies sold it stands to reason that some would have problems, while the several dozen reviewers out there did not. I'd wager that millions of purchasers have had no issues to speak of, I know my brother in law plays the game several hours a day and has had absolutely no issues, but with Rock Band he's had to reboot several times because it didn't detect his mic.

I don't know people where complaining about the Bully locking and freezing up, I personally never had the problem.

I had (or possibly have) a locking version as well (PS3 60GB, early model). Installed the 1.01 patch, turned off the network, and disabled auto-save. Seems to be somewhat stable now, but was disappointed to have had to erase my progress and start over more than once.

My only grip with the game now is that the music selections seem weak compared to previous versions. Maybe they can work on a future patch that lets you play your own MP3s in-game.

@ Walrus

It's not a glitch, it did the same to me you have to "unlock" the ability to use love-meet and crap list, it's unlocked after a mission with Brucie. Till then the use of the site is blocked for a few days.

I have 70% game completion and the game did freeze onceon my 360. Honestly though, I think it really has to deal with the fact that people are so hyped about the game that they spent a lot of hours on it in a row and the system maybe wasn't prepared to deal with that.

I'm at about 76% ... no issues yet, but haven't tried multiplayer yet

Most of those "perfect scores" may have been in response to the anti-gamer bashing.

@anon:

agree'd. This was forseeable as soon as Sony released the 18th new PS3 with slightly different specs and firmware.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Sony and Microsoft haven't provided programmers with updated dev kits so they can avoid problems like this in the future.

@ Nova

There's split screen? Where's the split screen?

@ Walrus

I see, most people I've seen that have that problem haven't done Brucies misstion yet. Replying here since myspace won't load the messaging scripts.

I get freezing occasionally though it is predictable: Basically sometime until it has made its first save it will start freezing for a few second with a few minute intervals in between.

If however it doesn't start freezing soon after the game has started off then I know I am in for a clear run.

I have an XBox 360 fwiiw.

I'm on PS3 by the way.

@Crispy Says:

May 10th, 2008 at 6:16 am
NovaBlack:

You need a 360 controller to play on your PC? GTA IV isn’t out for PC. I can only assume you mean playing the game on your 360 but channeling the video through a VGA cable to your PC monitor, or through a TV card to your PC or something, in which case it’s bloody obvious you’d need to use a console controller for a console game!

If you have read somewhere that the PC version will only support a ‘Games for Windows’ 360 controller, please supply a link, because that sounds outrageous.


@ Ebonheart
There’s split screen? Where’s the split screen?





sorry, i was talking about kane and lynch for the pc. just saying 6 months on and absolutely no patch , not a single one, so im stuck with split screen multiplayer REQUIRING a 360 controller (yeah makes PERFECT sense) with no warning on the box.

Generally just a comment on the fact im sick of devs getting away with releasing some games that arent ready in any way, and then never repairing it, leaving me with NO way to get my money back for a broken game that wasnt as advertised

the forums are utterly useless, we have been TOLD BY DEVS a patch is 'nearing completion' or literally 'just about released' for about 6 months. n then they just stop responding, never give any concrete info when they do, and lock threads when anyone starts an angry (and completely justified) thread asking about the patch or ways to get money back.

The store wont accept it back.

Eidos wont refund me.

Im stuck with a coaster.

the thread was
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=729779#post729779

the most viewed thread on the forum! (almost 9,000 views) and 11 pages of responses. And then we got shafted as they said they didnt think we should be angry with eidos (after 6 months with no patch or official statement) and locked the thread. So i started a polite thread asking how exactly they suggest i get a refund as i am genuinely stuck, and once again.. locked. Writing to them also receives a similar response.

Its just not right that developers can do this. In ANY other walk of life (cars, electrical applicances etc) a consumer could simply take them to court (here in the uk the sale of goods act would cover it) as a product eg a car couldnt be sold a s road worthy and then they say after youve paid oh.. the wheels actually come as extras, another £200 please.

But in kane and lynch, and generally in games software, the same thing with a game and then a controller (not mentioned ANYWHERE on the box) is ok. Couple that with the fact the game literally DOES not run for thousands of people and surely we have a situation that just cant be fair.

From the sounds of things with GTAIV id be more than happy with one freee every 50 hours of gameplay lol. (although i havent had a single freeze yet and ive easily clocked up that!)

wii for sale??

I am bored of mine.

I just got  the 360 version - the disk was somewhat unreadable. you could see that the plastic covering the media was a bit couldy. Got to 28% and it became totally unusable. I returned it for a duplicate and have since had no trouble. I recently got onto Xbox-Live and received updates. I don't have a HDD so I guess it used the memory that came with the game. I belive it was this update that erased my save games. Seems some things have changed with the game as well. Oh well! Will have to start over. If I find it was another reason that I've lost my data I will report it here.