Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

May 29, 2008 -

As GamePolitics reported yesterday, controversial attorney Jack Thompson was unsuccessful in a bid to subpoena 33 witnesses for a June 4th sanctions hearing before Judge Dava Tunis.

Tunis, the Florida Supreme Court-appointed referee who presided over the Florida Bar's prosecution of professional misconduct charges against Thompson, quashed the subpoenas in response to a motion from the Bar. In doing so, Tunis ruled that:

[Thompson] is precluded from presenting witnesses or documentary evidence in mitigation in this case due to his failure to comply with the bar's discovery requests.

An order issued by Tunis in October, 2007 elaborates on what the referee terms Thompson's "failure to comply." The upshot is that Judge Tunis will not allow Thompson to subpoena witnesses for next week's hearing. Thompson has indicated that he will boycott the hearing.

In any event, GamePolitics has obtained the list of Thompson's proposed witnesses (although not from Thompson, who declined our request). Read on as we analyze the 33 names and guess at Thompson's legal strategy (never an easy task):

  • Jeb Bush: Former Governor of Florida, brother of President Bush; Last week Thompson sent the ex-Guv a rant explaining (sort of) why he wanted him to appear.
  • Strauss Zelnick: Chairman of Grand Theft Auto publisher Take-Two Interactive; a longtime target of Thompson's. Four of the five Bar complaints against Thompson stem from his involvement in cases targeting Take-Two games.
  • Judge Ronald Friedman: presided over the 2006 Bully case; testified against Thompson at last year's Bar trial.
  • Ian Comisky: Partner in Philadelphia law firm Blank-Rome; the firm defended Take-Two in Thompson's Alabama lawsuit and two of its attorneys testified against Thompson at last year's Bar trial.
  • Norm Kent: Florida attorney who has represented shock radio in Florida; he and Thompson have a long and contentious legal history.
  • Gwynne Alice Young: an attorney at the Miami firm where Thompson's wife is a partner; during the course of the Bar's prosecution against him, Thompson has been critical of what he claims is Judge Tunis's lack of sensitivity to his wife's battle against cancer; possibly related to that issue
  • Various Past & Present Florida Bar officials: John Berry, Kenneth Marvin, Tony Boggs, Mary Ellen Bateman, John Harkness, Jan Wichrowski, Lorraine Hoffmann, Arlene Sankel, Barnaby Min, Frank Angones, Jesse Diner, Kelly Overstreet Johnson, Hank Coxe, Barry Richard, Ben Kuehne, John White
  • Florida Supreme Court Justice Raoul Cantero: unknown why Thompson would single out Cantero from the other justices; the Florida Supreme Court oversees the Bar disciplinary process. Thompson is currently suing the justices in federal court
  • Florida 11th Circuit Court Chief Judge Joseph Farina: Judge Tunis's boss.
  • Al Cardenas: Prominent Florida attorney; his firm's complaint was part of last year's Bar trial (the non-video game related part); Judge Tunis has recommended two findings of guilt against Thompson in regard to Tew-Cardenas
  • David Pollack, Florida attorney: Thompson has claimed in court filings that Pollack was appointed by the Bar to investigate a complaint against Thompson, found no evidence, but was overruled by the Bar
  • Sam Partridge, General Counsel, Alabama State Bar: Alabama Circuit Court Judge James Moore testified against Thompson at his 2007 Bar trial; however, Partridge's specific connection to the case is not known.
  • Oren Wunderman, PhD: Thompson has written that Wunderman gave him a clean bill of mental health.
  • Kenneth Harms, former Miami Police Chief: he was mentioned as a potential witness in Thompson's 2006 attempt to have Rockstar's Bully declared a public nuisance before Judge Friedman in a Miami Court.
  • Janet Folger, Christian conservative commentator, author and activist - possibly a Thompson character witness.
  • Judge Richard Yale Feder: a Florida jurist with experience in Bar disciplinary matters; connection to Thompson's case unknown.
  • Randall Marshall, Legal Director, ACLU of Florida: connection unknown, but Thompson claimed recently that he had joined the ACLU and might be seeking its support on what he deems an issue of expressing his Christian views.
  • JR Rosskamp: Jo Edda Rosskamp filed a lawsuit last year against a partner in the Tew-Cardenas law firm; Thompson represented her. A JR Rosskamp is a South Florida financial advisor. It's unknown to GP whether they are the same person.

 


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Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

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Here's a thought... I'm not terribly familiar with the US legal system, but it has to be a given that anyone subpoenaed to appear as a witness in a trial cannot actually preside over that trial as a judge, right? Maybe he's just trying to subpoena everyone in the Florida legal establishment so that nobody remains free to preside over the case, allowing him to walk free? :)

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Sounds like Jack "the Jackass" Thompson is up shit creek without a paddle. So long Jack. I'd say we'll miss you, but if I did I would be lying. I'd also like to say we wish you well and no hard feelings, but as we all know, if I did that I would be lying as well.

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Jack Thompson is the one who suppresses free speech and yet have the cheek to complain that people are taking that so-called "freedom" away from him. And still can join the ACLU, even.

I wonder how many people would be flummoxed at this kind of bullshit.

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It's really funny how Jack attacks a lot of these people and tries to humiliate them and take them down and then wants there help the minute he's in trouble.

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If we're gonna be sticklers about an accurate lawsuit count, we should add the RICO action brought in name by Meryl Lanson, Mary Alice Gwynn and Mary Alice Gwynn, P.A. against The Florida Bar, Florida Lawyers Mutual Insurance Company (the Bar's insurance carrier) and certain officers of the Bar in the Souther District of Florida. After all, Lanson and Gwynn are apparently only acting as fronts for Jack Thompson in that action. Keen observers of all things Jack Thompson may recall that Lanson was the person that Jack complained was the recipient of pornographic material originating from his e-mail account after it was allegedly hacked. And Gwynn (who is the subject of a current Bar disciplinary proceeding) is alleged by Thompson to be a client he represents in her disciplinary proceeding. Gwynn is reportedly referring inquires into the RICO action to Thompson for his handling. I think the RICO action, once viewed beyond the transparent subterfuge, qualifies for addition. No?  

 

 

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@ GP 5/29 @ 1:43 A public records search shows JT filed an ADDITIONAL lawsuit in Florida. This one is in the Fla. State Court in Miami, against Judge Dava Tunis which basically challenges her right to be a judge. Public records show he was trying to take her deposition before the June 4 hearing. Dennis: you have bought your Miami plane tickets, right?

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This is going to backfire you know?

What is JT going to do with all his free time after he is disbarred? He will have loads more time to do FOX (FAUX) News and other conservative gigs that meance entertainment mediums.

You don't think FOX is going to give up on him just because he lost his Bar status do you? It's never stopped FOX before, why should it now?

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Did anyone notice from the judge's October order that she gave JT from March to October 2007 to list his witnesses?  It's not like it was a one week or even one month deadline.  It almost looks like she kept giving him more time, until he just didn't do it.

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And did anyone else notice that this makes the second time he's giving a copy of his vanity-published book, Out of Harm's Way, to Jeb Bush? Didn't he send Jeb a copy before when he sent him notice of intent to depose. I understand that the several hundred unsold copies of that rot-piece gathering dust in Jack's garage are probably become a source of irritation to Mrs. Thompson, who can barely squeeze her car in as a result, but that's no good reason to include a copy every time he writes a letter to the same person.

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"Thank you Reader's Digest, but I have decided not to take you up on your generous offer of four Condensed Books for only $4.99 at this time. Please find enclosed my sweepstakes entry form, and a copy of my book, Out of Harm's Way..."

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You would think he would be coming up with ways to defend himself then throwing a fit like a three year old and saying he isn't going because he isn't getting his way. Its times like this Mr. Thompson that you have to act like the adult we all know you are.

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You might think that and I might think that but sadly he doesn't seem to. It just goes to prove once more that being old doesn't make you an adult.

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@GP:

Gwynne Alice Young is in the Tampa office of Carlton Fields, not the Miami office. As such, I doubt she would be intimately and personably knowledgable of Jack Thompson's wife's medical issues. She is, however, the representative from the 15th Judicial Circuit to the Florida Bar's Board of Governor's. If the more likely possibility that Thompson's intent was to lump Ms. Young in with all the other Bar Governors as among his "enemies" is indeed true, then, considering the potential negative impact to the hand that feeds him, this is suggestive that: (a) Mr. Thompson has gone completely of his rocker and thrown all caution to the wind and (b) he is completely without much needed adult supervision.  

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Hmmm... Didn't realize that.

You're probably right. It' great to get this kind of feedback.

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I just can't stop picturing Jack sitting in his office the other day, wearing his pajamas and night-cap, glasses and hanging his head in his hands - a pen sticking out between two fingers while he leers at a sheet of paper between his elbows. The sheet, of course, contains about 30 names of people he would like to subpoena.

The only thought going through his mind: "God, who the hell can I add to this list to drag out my flogging?"

 

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

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Jack's just upset that everyone else's supoena is bigger than his.

 

(Waits for others to get it)

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And suddenly I'm thinking of an old Batman episode.

Harley (dressed as a lawyer):  "I think I served you a subpoena once."

*walks a few steps, and then turns to say* "It was a small subpoena."

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He has subpoena envy?

Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

So you're saying he has a subpar subpoena?

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If this were an RTS game, what he is doing would be griefing.  He is running any peasants he has left to the far corners of the map in hopes of prolonging the inevitable. 

The thing about the legal system in this country is you can slow it to a crawl by doing inundating the system with motions.  In order to have more motions to file, you have to set up a perceived injustice.  He is deliberately dragging it out for our enjoyment.  Gonna make some popcorn.  Thanks for the continuing entertainment JT.  When the axe finally falls, I will feel empty inside.  JT is to the legal system as a sticky booger is to a finger.  It takes a while, but eventually it gets flicked off. 

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If this were WoW, he'd have charged int othe plaguelands as a level one priest with base gear and no talent points, then he'd sue Blizzard for him not winning.

-kurisu7885

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I could see that!

"Alright Judge Tunis, time's up, let's do this...JAAAAAAAAAAAACK NTHOMPSOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN!!!"

(for those who don't get it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU)

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After reading that letter to Jeb Bush, I propose a drinking game. Get a bunch of his letters, sound bites ect and everyone takes a shot whenever he plugs his book. Whoever isn't passed out drunk after the first 10 letters/sound bites, wins.

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Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

you mean dead from alcohol poisoning?

Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

Well that's really just semantics, isn't it?

....Though I'm pretty sure the Jeb Bush letter is enough to kill someone by itself.... At least a very skinny person.

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

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lol the best news is Jack news.  Remember a time when gamers felt threatened by his rantings?  It took us a while to go "oh...I think he's just a crazy person".

If he isn't around anymore, what interesting news would we have to look forward to?  Nothing is more fun than "Old man whacks more important people with crazy: they bludgeon him with logic"

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Cause, you know, the people listed couldn't possibly have any reason to testify against Jack could they?

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obviously thompson thinks of himself as the lawyer equivalent of mcguyver. at least that's all i can think of when i see the list of people....

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i hate to tell you but your wrong mcguyver would have put duct tape on the witness list

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Yes, but Macgyver could get himself acquitted with that particular witness. I mean, what can't he do with duct tape?

But that's not really the point. I've decided (As I am the Decider) that this is similar to a chess game. Thompson's "king" has been backed into a corner, and he's been trying to rally his remaing pieces around it. Then Tunis, we'll call her the queen swept in with her verdict and pushed him in tighter eliminating his last major pieces. What he's doing now is sending in all his "pawns" trying to get one to the other side to get some good pieces back. That's what his "forged loyalty oath" was, it's what his failed subpoenas were. His little boycott is just him moving his "king" around like a jackass trying to make it a draw when everyone knows he's lost.

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

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Well, sheeeet, he called Norm Kent, didn't he? You think Norm's got anything positive to say about Jack Thompson?

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You make it sound like 28-or-29 out of the 33s witnesses would have anything "positive" to say about Jack...

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Point.

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@GP:

Sam Partridge's connection to Jack Thompson's disciplinary proceeding in Florida may well have to do with the currently pending disciplinary proceeding against him in Alabama. Under Alabama Bar rules, the Bar's General Counsel is responsible for initiating disciplinary proceedings. 

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wait . . . wait now are you telling me that jack is calling one of the people who initiated his prosecution to defend him???!!!!!!!! (my only guess is that he "plans" to prove the charges are fake)

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Of course not, he's calling them up so he can bring to bear his awesome lawerly acumen against them and dissect them on the witness stand so it can be made plain to see how they're all craven liars in a great conspiracy against him.  Certainly under his withering cross-examinations, they'll fold, repent, and beg the court to spare Jack.

Frankly, I think half the people on that list would love to appear if the court would let them.  In fact, I think some of them already did.

 

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I can't help but wonder how the managing shareholders of the venerable and prestigious law firm of Carlton Fields would feel about one of their shareholders testifying on behalf of Jack Thompson in a Bar disciplinary proceeding. It ain't the kind of publicity, I'd imagine, that ties into their business development stratergy. Or, perhaps, they subscribe to the "any publicity is good publicity" philosophy. Although, I kinda doubt that. They're as staid a law firm as you get.

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@GP:

Judge Feder is the judge who presided over the first attempt (way back in the day) by the Florida Bar to prosecute Jack Thompson for professional misconduct. Seems His Honor had some prior connection to the ACLU, which of course Jack latched on to in an attempt to paint him as some sort of sympathizer with the "enemies" of Jack Thompson.

Funny how Jack's current stratergy in his Bar proceedings echo from 20 years ago. Old dog, new trick, no way. 

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Wow, I read Jack's letter to Jeb Bush, and I must say that it only serves to reinforce my thoughts on him. He is easily in the top 10 list of pretentious, self-righteous, hypocritical assholes on this planet. It's beyond me how this man looks at himself in the mirror without vomitting. The saddest part is, how he's so very sure that him and everything he does is right and good. And in that same breath he rants about how anyone who dares disagree with him is a terrible person, idiot, going to hell, etc. Seriously if this man actually learnded anything from the Bible, he'd realize that he should look at the log in his own eye before pointing out the sliver in everyone elses. A truly disgusting man, the saddest part being that he'll never realize it.

Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

In Jack's case it's more like a forest in his eye than a log.


 

Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

You know, boycotting the hearing is the smartest move Jack could possibly make at this point.  He's his own worst enemy.

Won't do him a lick of good, of course, but as deep a hole as he's in, at least he's finally decided to stop digging.

Re: Analyzing Jack Thompson's Would-be Witnesses

he is still digging. It's just laterally instead of vertical.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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It might just be me, but bringing many of your previous enemies to testify that you should keep your job probably is the craziest thing you could do.  I want to see how this turns out!

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Crazy if he is trying to keep is job.

However, it does make sense if his goal is to confront all these people under oath and grill them on unrelated topics, which is probably what he was going for.

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still qualifies for comedy gold!

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not if your trying to get a head start on your next job as a comedian cause this . . . this my friends is simple effective comedy gold!

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@Ixian

Actually I tagged Moses a half the page back.  The thing is jackie can call forth Emperor Palpantine (aka Darth Sidious) for all it matters.  JBT had compared himself to many famous (and some Infamous) people (some of which are even real) from Batman to calling himself a foot soldier of God here to deliever God's wrath on Take 2 and Rock Star (btw still waiting on that).  He is doing the predictable thing, trying to stall and delay or if he is doomed he is hoping to take others with him. 

It is sad in many ways and at many levels.  He is clinging to 1 thing he did semi well at (the Howard Stern incident) and ignoring the other hundreds of cases he has tried and failed.   He is beating his chest crying and claiming he is being picked on while crowing that he is so wonderful for having many hate him (again the Jesus comparison).  Honestly though I wonder how many hate him as much as just hold him in disqust and would as soon have him wiggle away like a worm.  To hate would be to pursue him to ends and frankly jackie is not worth the effort.   

 

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Wow, that's like the old throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks thing. 

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Jeb Bush!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

 
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