In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

May 30, 2008 -

The lawyer for a 25-year-old New Zealand man who pleaded guilty to beating a police officer and stealing a patrol car has blamed his client's crime in part on playing Grand Theft Auto - and the judge apparently agreed.

As reported by the Dominion Post, attorney Cris Nicholls argued at the sentencing hearing for Tim Reid that his client's behavior was influenced by the game.

From the news account:

[Reid] committed violent offences and compulsively played Grand Theft Auto. Mr Nicholls said a video game that showed violence toward police was a public safety concern, with the game promoting the behaviour...

 

Wellington District Court judge Denys Barry jailed Reid for five years... He said Reid was hardwired for violence and anti-social behaviour and programmed by his recreational pursuits.

GP: Reid, according to the report, began smoking pot at age five. He had been physically and sexually abused while growing up, and continues to abuse drugs and alcohol. He has priors for assault and robbery. Moreover, he is a 25-year-old man, not an impressionable adolescent.

Yet a video game is to blame?


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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

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Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

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Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I search this hardly, thanks :-)

Thanks America, thanks a lot

Well this is just great; as if we didn't have enough of your crap over here, now we get your blame the game defense as well.

In all seriousness though, I hope that most people reading this article will actually go: "Drug and alcohol abuse, sexual and physical abuse, oh and video games, hmm maybe its got more to do with the former than the latter".

On a completely random sidenote: I was playing GTA IV last weekend with my Gran in the room and she kept asking how long the program I was watching was going for.

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Wow 5 Years, this guy got it heavy for New Zealand, some murderers only get 7 years non parole. I bet hell be out in 3

Our justice system is incredibly screwd up.

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Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

God these people are idiots...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Or maybe all that pent up anger from being sexually abused as a child is starting to come out in ways that tend to be violent? 

 

Oh shit, sorry.. thats wrong, obviously it was the games that set him off! 

Cause, you know.. video-games seem to have that brainwashing feature in them that rewires our minds to become more violent, aggressive people for which we'll go on random rampages and kill loads of people, because well... if it happened in a video-game its gotta be fun IRL! 

Lets forget that even though youth violence as gone down since video-games started becoming more prominent, we can safely assertain that video games are causing more youth to become violent crimminals! 

Indeed, for things such as a growing poverity amoung the lower class(and thus, a larger gap between rich and poor), the rise of rap music and a general gang mentality amoung youths, video games have been the sole reason for our degredation as a society! 

And last but not least, those damn controllers our youth use to play video-games.. obviously they are the single biggest threat to our society as a whole as it trains our children to hold 'real' guns and use them with the same proficency as say, someone in the army of police.  Going from holding a joystick/pad/controller that weighes less then 3lbs to holding a rifle or assault rifle that weights anywhere from 10-20lbs+ (i might be wrong here) while being able to sight it in, adjust for recoil and all these other things... indeed, controllers are making us better marksmen to shoot you!  (thats right, you!)

Misreading the judge

I think everyone here is blowing this out of proportion.  I doubt many people would disagree if the judge had said "His recreational pursuits gave him an idea that played into his existing hardwired violent and anti-social behaviour."

If you actually READ the quote from the judge, that's basically what it is coming down to - Blaming GTA for the idea, and the existing "hardwired" violent and anti-social behaviour for being open to the idea and then actually following through on it.

Re: Misreading the judge

"I doubt many people would disagree if the judge had said "His recreational pursuits gave him an idea that played into his existing hardwired violent and anti-social behaviour."

 

Actually many people would disagree, such as myself.  I think what gave him the idea was this existing violent and anti-social behavior.  You see violent people are violent.

Re: Misreading the judge

Precisely. He's blaming GTA, as he knows that playing it was a recreational pursuit for Reid.

But you're right about us blowing stuff out of proportion a bit, I feel stupid about my previous comment now.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

People are so damn stupid it's pathetic.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

"Reid, according to the report, began smoking pot at age five. He had been physically and sexually abused while growing up, and continues to abuse drugs and alcohol. He has priors for assault and robbery. Moreover, he is a 25-year-old man, not an impressionable adolescent.

Yet a video game is to blame?"

Yes They didn't want to go through all that paper work. The jugde sounds lazy.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I think its relevant that he played it on a Xbox360.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Well,GTA is obviously responsible.I mean,how could smoking pot at 5,being sexually and physically abused have anything to do with this?

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I'm starting to get concerned about the quality of defense attorneys nowadays, especially if they're lazy enough to think a "games made me do it" plea is gonna go anywhere in a case...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

He's a scapegoating pothead who lived in a hellhole... with or without GTA, he'd have done this. Period.

How?

A game is not drugs, a game is not alcohol, a game cannot change the basics of your soul, or whatever you call the thing that defines you. A game is a artwork and a plaything it's not a life or a sort of guide. You can learn lessons from games, but as with everything else you can't trust blindly in what it teaches you. If you seek something to trust blindly in, make it the religion of your choice not gta4.

Sometimes it feels like the world is full of retards that can't put one foot in front of the other unless someone tells them how.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Wow, the "Video Game's Made Me" Card is like the new Last-resort when the Insanity card doesnt work!

It goes:

"IM INSANE"

"Why do you think that?"

"Uhhhh..... ROFLGARBLAGDERS?"

"Right.... try again"

"VIDEO GAMES MADE ME DO IT!"

"Okay, that one workds case closed! By the way, do you have a 360? maybe when you get out we can play Halo?"

"Nah, I dont really play games......"

"Oh, Okay, well see ya"

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

This kind of thing fills me with contempt. Are the judge really that biased that he CHOOSES to ignore the fact that Reid is 25 years old, thus not very impressionable, been smoking pot since age 5, been sexually and physically abused by his parents and has had prior charges for assault and robbery?

And these people are supposed to be the objective, non-biased justice system... so much for that.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I don't want to get on anyones bad side, but this is New Zealand, one of the areas that hates video games, so its not really surprising.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

So...that's basically an insanity plea? 

"Don't blame me, the violent videogames I choose to buy and play religiously have corrupted my understanding of right and wrong"?

If true, perhaps anyone who plays videogames should be forced to undergo psychological screening on a regular basis to ensure they aren't being driven insane.  Or maybe we should ban videogames entirely, and force everyone to engage only in 'psyche-friendly' activities (as defined by the FDA).

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

the real keyword there is 'religious'
go after organized religions first

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

GTA also started Global Warming

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I facepalmed...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Jack should move to New Zealand. Some of the courts over there will totally believe some of the shit he spews!

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

hey bro don't include the rest of us kiwi's, don't know what the hell that judge was smoking.. and you guys can keep Jack Thompson...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I dont think if gamers could trade jack they would (and not because he's so loved and popular) i dont think anyone would know what to trade

 

XD thinking about it 2 kids:

kid 1: i'll give you my JBT for your Nepolion Dynamite.

kid 2: only if you give me your Pedro and your longcat as well.

kid 1: but I need Nepolion for Pedro how about a Troll?

kid 2: no deal.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

That's it, I'm going to new zealand to headbutt everyone.

 

Then I'll blame it on FIFA 2008

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Can I talk you into randomly tackling people and blaming it on the latest 'John Madden' game?

Because I'm getting really tired of the same game being released every year, and if we can come up with a way to nip that in the bud...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Yeah, I think we can arrange that, I'll not get a headache that way too. I used to buy a madden game every 3-4 years thinking they might have changed stuff but the gameplay is still pretty much the same & the prices are getting way too high to tolerate incremental changes, it wasn't so bad when they cost au$60 but now they're reaching au$100...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

well you know Dennis...

"if i can put the blame on some one or something else and get lower a lower sentencing.. why not? i'm not man enough to admit my mistakes."

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Oh, sure, I've committed violent crimes before and have a known history of substance and physical abuse, however, my cop killing wasn't my fault. It was the fault of those evil video games I was playing.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

If he had kept pleying them he might not have done this. He might have been using them as therapy.

 

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

[quote]Reid, according to the report, began smoking pot at age five.[/quote]

Five years? Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I mean, I like to indulge in Mary Jane from time to time myself, and I'm absolutely supportive of drug legalisation. But even I aknowledge that taking drugs (any drugs) at such a young age will seriously fuck you up. If not psycologicaly, then at least socialy - I mean, in what kind of environment has a child to grow up in to smoke pot at such an age?

But of course, the current convinient whipping boy (i.e., video games) will recieve all the blame. Because correlation totally equals causation, and all other possible influences are miniscule at best.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Someone really needs to retire the "(insert video game) made me do it" excuse, it's getting old and stale...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Actually I have a couple friends in NZ, one's an ex-cop from a family of cops, last time i talked to him (I admit it's been awhile) he thought such reasoning was the hallmark of idiots and fools.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

With judges like that NZ seems like the perfect place for all our idiots to move.....

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Just because someone takes the actions of a GTA main character does not mean he was molded from GTA.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I blame assholes like Jack Thompson. They have given the freaks a defence to get out of trouble...ONE THAT DOESN'T EVEN WORK(except in NZ apparently)!!! Good job, cockbag!! I wanna see someone blame the Bible or Elvis or something most people don't bitch about. Hell, BLAME JACK!!

 

-GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

i blame victor hugo!!!

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

I blame Victor Borge! ;)

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

If Victor Borge were still around, would he incorporate emoticons into his phonetic punctuation routine?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Although funny enough by themselves, emoticons would have added an extra level of humour to his routine. *ppbt* *ppbt* *crrrrrck*

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Do a barrel-roll!

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Yeah, I blame Peppy Hare for all this bullshit.

I AM A LOST SOUL, CONDEMNED TO HAUNT THE DREAMS OF JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS. SOMEONE, PLEASE! END MY SUFFERING!



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I AM DOOMED TO HAUNT JACK THOMPSON'S DREAMS UNTIL HIS CRUSADE AGAINST VIDEO GAMES ENDS.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

Twinkie defence, here we come!

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

-- If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap...

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

take responsibility for your own stupid actions

games are not a scapegoat for idiocy
-The Bird

-The Bird

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

And again Thompson will ignore all the abuse and focus entirely on video games.  In a roundabout way, it's like he's FOR child abuse.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

1: What was the co-defendent's excuse?

2: 'Reid has previous convictions for aggravated wounding, robbery and assault.' - The guy had previous, he didn't do it because he was hard-wired, he did it because he was a violent thug.

 

Judges, of all people, should be a little more responsible about what they blame on 'society'.

Re: In New Zealand: Another "GTA Made Me Do It" Case

The only possible effect Videogames can have on you is the complete destruction of your faith in humanity.

 
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