Atheist Creates Game for Fun and Prophets

A University of Virginia graduate student has created a game to "give voice to the atheist community" according to a sketchy report by Roanoke’s WSLS-10.

The game designer, who declined to give his name over fears for his safety, told the TV news:

Atheists have never really had anything to speak for them like this.  It’s the general atheist premise that the world might be a better place without some of those religions… It’s the idea of being able to go back in time and sort of nipping the problem in the bud.

According to the report:

The object of the game is to stop the spread of Christianity and Islam by murdering Abraham and the authors of the Bible, before beheading Muhammad.

GP: We know nothing of this unnamed – and apparently amateur – game beyond the WSLS-10 reports. However, given that Islamic tradition disapproves of depictions of Muhammad, it can be expected to cause a much wider controversy should it be released.

Beyond that, it’s unclear how depicting the killing of Abraham and Muhammad would "give atheists a voice."

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  1. Anonymous says:

    nutjob?? no. don’t you understand he put that in the game because thats whats THEY DO IN REAL LIFE!!!! (it is so obvious i can’t believe i even had to explain that) obviously the idiots on here have taken everything at face-value where the smarter people have seen the irony

    *taste of their own medicine*

  2. Phinehas says:

    Not a belief but a lack of belief?  I’ve seen that a couple of times now, and call it out as completely nonsensical.

    It is impossible to have a lack of belief.  Even if you believe that man is the product of completely random natural processes, it is still a belief.  Having a lack of belief in supernatural things is indistinguishable from having a belief that only natural things exist.

    You do have beliefs.  You do have a worldview.  You do have a way that you approach life.  You do have faith. 

    Denying it won’t make it go away.

  3. Phinehas says:

    God exists.

    God does not exist.

    Frankly, I have a difficult time understanding how one of these statements can possibly have more or less religious content than the other.  Both are faith-based wordviews expressing foundational beliefs about God’s existence (or non-existence).

  4. Phinehas says:

    "As an Athiest, I want to keep my life clear of any reference to God in any way shape or form. Keep it out of my schools, my government, my public areas. I don’t want to see it. Essentially, keep your religion to yourself."

    Even though I am a Christian, I think I can sympathize with you in this regard.  I really do want to respect your beliefs and not offend you.

    Here’s the thing though:  If you remove God in the way you describe, aren’t you, in effect, imposing Atheism on others?  As an atheist, you believe in no God and want to ensure that no God is exactly what is found in schools, government, and public areas.

    How do you keep no religion from becoming a kind of religion itself?

    I don’t really know the answer here.  Like I said, I’m not out to offend anyone.  Neither am I suggesting that we should force God on others.  I’m only try to demonstrate that forcing no God on others by putting a gag order on what they can express about religion might really be the same thing in a different guise.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Yet "wanting something irrational gone" and beheading people are exactly the same?


    I’m gonna go with nutjob on this one.

  6. Anonymous says:

    omg this guy takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no game where you kill atheist??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEFT BEHIND??????!!!!!!!! (sheltered people should simple not be allowed to post lol)


  7. Anonymous says:

    i agree. i believe the developer put more thought into this than most people think and that this conceptual idea for a game is nowhere near as blunt as ‘left behind’ (or as scary as the a look into the mindset of the producers of ‘left behind’s belief system)

  8. um ... ok?? says:

    oh so you would rather have millions die than have the depression last? now i’ve heard it all lol

  9. Anonymous says:

    "or what do"???? who is the one ruthlessly abusing grammer here?? you are obviously an idiot. so just shut the hell up

  10. nosomeonedidnthavetosayit says:

    Wow how self-rightous of you … ("someone had to say it")

    Sorry but i think there is more than just "getting attention" at work here … I do not believe they were "trying to be controversial" – some subject matter just is.

  11. anonymous says:

    badly done game? wtf!!!! you haven’t even seen it yet – for a bunch of ‘open minded’ people you really sound as narrow as the mindset the game is trying to rid of lol

  12. anon says:

    nutjob?? i don’t think so … there is a difference between hatred and simple wanting something irrational gone

  13. Anonymous says:

    "You can piss and moan about how atheism is not Communism, but Communism is the closest thing atheism has to an organization. If the Christians get shat on for killing people who believe differently than them, then atheism deserves to shat on just as badly. The believers were killed BY atheists, FOR the belief of atheism."

    Don’t even try to compare atheism to communism. That’s like comparing atheism to mathematics. Atheism is not a belief, but a lack of a belief. That goes right back to the root of the word. "A"theism. A lack of Theism.  Theism being a belief system involving a diety or dieties.

    Serial killers have killed people different than them, not because they believed differently, but because the serial killers were sociopaths.

    Karl Marx also said that Atheism was just a stage in communism, and after a certain point, is unneccessary for communism. The atrocities committed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and their ilk had much more to do with class persecution and an intolerance of dissenting political opinion, fuzed with a desire to create a classless society.

    As for this…game…from the sound of it, it was meant to be taken as seriously as Adult Swim’s "Bible Fight", or  Jack Thompson’s "I’m OK.", or the V-Tech Massacre game. Made to get reactions. If anyone thinks the creator of the game seriously believes his game is the Atheist version of "Left Behind," they need to take a step backward.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I am not a history major(But then again, neither are you), but if Hitler died, I’d almost bet my car that the Great Depression lasts a decade longer than it did due to no world war II.  This whole time, the USSR(Who didn’t experience the Great Depression) would be going strong and experiencing a military build-up.  They would then invade the weakened west, and viola, hail Stalin.

    Point is:  Everything(EVERYTHING) has both a good and bad side.  Capitalism, Communism, Federalism, Dictaor(ism?), Religion, no religion.  Even "bad" and "good" things are just culminations of bad and good events that come out weighing more as one or the other.   This is why time machines wont work, because there are too many people that don’t understand that changing one event could completely end everything you know and love today.

  15. Sebastian says:

    Scientology is not "banned" in Germany, it just isn’t recognised as a religion.

    There are, however, quite a few video games, movies, books, and other media banned in Germany. And not just ones containing hate speech.

  16. "..." says:

    Game developers? More like Japanese RPG developers, probably since the country has a long, not-so-friendly history of interaction with Christians.

    Take Fire Emblem 10 as an example – the Evil Empire is a racist theocracy, their leader is the "Apostle" and her "Holy Guard", their white mages are "Bishops" (complete with hat/robe), and the endgame plot has the PCs renouncing said religion, fighting the "Disciples of Order" army, and KILLING the Goddess. Yeesh.

    On-topic: I’m an atheist, and so long as you respect my First Amendment rights, I’ll respect yours. Yes, it’s tasteless, but so was V-Tech Rampage,, etc. and they’re still recognized as "free speech".

    Then I read this:

    “Atheists have never really had anything to speak for them like this.  It’s the general atheist premise that the world might be a better place without some of those religions,” explained the creator of the game.

    STFU NO. There is no "general atheist premise", much less an anti-religious one. The world might–or might not–have been a better place without a lot of things. Believe what you want, but do not presume to speak for me, or a lot of other people who are probably nothing like me: the whole point of atheism (some would argue) is that there is no "doctrine" everyone must adhere to.

  17. Monte says:

     "There are actually a lot of atheists today.  The only reason they aren’t heard from much, is because they aren’t organized under spiritual belief system that connects them.  I suppose they could start an atheist "club," though they’d have to becareful of their "faith" in the lack of a higher power doesn’t become a new religion.  :)"

    Well there is some stuff like the

    Granted, from what i can tell is that the main reason the it was founded was to give Atheists a secular alternative to weddings, funerals and other such things… Though i think it’s kind of stupid since, correct me if i’m wrong, NONE of those things make religious clergy a MUST have. Weddings and such can been done by a judge in a courthouse… if the atheists want to have someone say some kind words and so forth about the marriage and such, there is nothing stopping them from just holding their own private ceremony before/after the judge makes it official; a private ceremony where they can do whatever they like… overall, an offical "Atheist preist" would not be needed since any joe-shmoe can do the job after the judge is done… and i think the same can be done with funerals… as long as the funeral home and cemetery you are using  do not belong to a church, then you request that you do not want a priest and just have friends and family speak. Really, i don’t think a priest is needed for ANY of those things… Frankly, i kinda wonder why they chose to call themselves a "church" and not find an alternative word; seeing as "church" generally implies a religion for most people which they say atheism is not

    But really, there would be so much irony in Atheism becoming so organized that it becomes like a religion… quite frankly, i think the biggest irony would be that Atheism would just end up falling into the same exact trappings as all other religion; the followers would start to break down into seperate groups for better and for WORSE… you have the larger, but much more quiet majority who just wants to follow atheism for what it is and wish no ill will on others… an then you have the more extreme members who spend most of their time preaching about he evils of all the religions and make terrible, terrible generalizations about the religious… and then you have the nutcase extremists who take that a step further and wish for genocide agianst the religious preaching that the world would be a better place without them (granted there would be shades of gray between the 3)… Unfortunately, the first and largest group gets ignored by many because the other groups are a lot louder and more noticable… In the end, the status of atheism in the world would be the same as any religion

    It’s all well and good when people of a similar beliefs gather together… but things go to shit when the haters amognst them also start together and get organized.

    It’s really rather true, i mean we can already see from this game for example, that some atheist end up becoming exactly which they hate… the most pathetic thing is that they themselves do not realize it. 

    And now for something fun

  18. Adamas Draconis says:

    Personally I have nothing against the Witness’s but I think what he means is that some groups forget that they were instructed to cast the teachings "as wheat upon the earth" and there to take root as it would. Something most evangelical denominations have forgotten.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  19. Austin_Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If you recall, Jesus preached to those who came to listen, he didn’t go to people’s homes without their consent and harass them every saturday.


  20. Monte says:

     No, if anything, those things you mentioned speak for agnostics, in that they do not give a damn about the status of religion or about atheism. Those things are completely neutral on the issues. There are MANY religious gamers who play GTA, Guitar Hero, and watch MTV and so forth. 

    To "speak for atheists" means to directly state that "no deity exists" which is something NONE of those things do. Most media just plain doesn’t care whether or not religion exists

  21. Mauler ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You have no idea who I am or what do proving that the developer isn’t the only one with foolish comments.  It’s really hard to take someone seriously who is so hellbent about pointing out a typo while ruthlessly abusing grammar and dropping a D from the word and.   All of the people I listed do a far better job of getting people talking, Dawkin’s book sold over a million copies vs. nothing on this "game", and they do it with a far more effective methodology that what this fool is attempting.  Despite what you might wish to believe, not all press is good press.

    As to the universe, well it will end at some point in time.  It could end in fire.  It could end in ice.  It might even end in "fire an brimstone" <sic>.  Current thought is that the universe expands and expands and we all hit absolute zero at some distant date in the future.  The Earth will most certainly end in fire, either consumed by the Sun or in a collision with the Andromeda galaxy.  Science is rather apocalyptic about these two fates.  They even go so far as to predict when they will happen.  Now is the world better off not knowing this?

    He claims to have made a game featuring the Abrahamic religions so it’s not a surprise that Budda isn’t there.  Neither is Thor, Zeus, the Invisible Pink Unicorn or His Noodly Goodness.  There is always room for a sequel.

  22. Loudspeaker says:

    You’re confusing religions alienating their followers with atheism.  Just because followers don’t want to be labeled as Catholic, Muslim, or Bhuddist anymore doesn’t make them athiests anymore than someone going to a Catholic based University makes them Catholic.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  23. Gene ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think that’s right on the money. Also, let’s take it a step further: would God honestly have allowed some prick with a time machine kill the humans he personally chose to start his organised religion on Earth? Hardly.  I don’t care how badass you think your fictional character is, he is not going to take on the supreme being in the universe.

    Why do I keep thinking ‘System Shock 2’ when reading this thread?

  24. Gene ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    First of all, they’re not ‘yours’. They’re ‘ours’, so long as we both pay our taxes. (I realise I’m writing from England whereas I imagine you’re American but the principle is the same.)

    Secondly, it’s much more PC and fashionable to shout about how God doesn’t exist and try to attack organised religion than it is to do the opposite. I’m inclined to believe this is caused by the fact that controversy gets better airtime but that’s just my theory. I’d say that, overall, the Western world has a society more based towards secularisation than any alternative. After all, there’s a difference between the Church having influence on politics (which it does) than the beliefs behind the Church (the Bible) having any say on the laws made in the country (which it doesn’t, otherwise premarital sex would be outlawed). While the point about secular video games was a silly one, your reply was just as militant.

  25. Anonymous says:

    i am sure the violent aspect was a last resort – how else would you rid of these insane people that started the whole thing by saying they were ‘talking’ to god’ – if you could kill hitler before he came to power would you?? the developer is smarter than you think (see his original comments about the game ‘mirroring the violence’ they see) 911 anyone?? sorry but i think this will be well more than some 15 minutes of fame

  26. Gene ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    With the greatest respect, I take issue with your linking of the Witnesses to cults. We preach door-to-door because that is what the Bible instructs people to do, so technically all Christians should do so rather than just one small denomination. All our instruction and training is geared towards politeness and specifically avoiding conflict on the doors. I don’t think we ever "force their [our] religion on others" because if people don’t want to know, they just say so and we leave. And we certainly don’t ask people to become Witnesses; if you were to judge carefully, we teach about the Bible first and foremost. When people who have been studying know enough, then we invite them to become Witnesses because it is the only way, really, to study further. Surely you can see the logic of that?

    I’m sorry if you’ve had bad experiences with the Witnesses in the past, but primarily we are doing what Jesus asked ALL his followers to do. But I do take issue with any insinuation that we force our religion on others, because we don’t.

  27. Anonymous says:

    so you are calling the developer a fool? you just MISPELLED ATHEIST you fucking retard. i love how armchair atheist just sit there and DON’T DO SHIT – this person obviously is doing exactly what he set out to do – get people talking. you forget the point of the game was to illustrate that the world would probably be better off without the apocalyptic religions that end in fire an brimstone – you don’t see any buddhists being targeted here

  28. Anonymous says:

    i am so sick of people saying this shit – HOW THE FUCK do you know that if you killed abraham that another would come after him – you don’t. and i’m sure that would definitely shuffle the time cards and things would turn out radically different

    yes there would be other radicals that would surface but you have now idea if they would turn out any similar

    from the other boards i’ve read about this topic this is the only one that is almost decidedly completely against the game – you will find after it is released that not everyone is going to hate this game and the developer is a genius for actually coming up with an actual ORIGINAL IDEA in this world of hacks – that is why this story is getting the attention it is besides the obvious religious backlash

    where were you all during ‘left behind’ lol

  29. Monte says:

     The reason you never hear about an Atheist who says your entitled to your beliefs is the same reason many atheist never hear a religious person say their entitled to their beliefs… it’s because the moderate atheists and moderate religious never feel a need to say anything. 

    When you mention your beliefs, most moderates find little point in mentioning "i don’t believe what you say but you are entitled to believe it"; they are too neutral to say something like that… it’s kind of a pointless statement since it doesn’t add anything to the conversation. So they really just keep out of your business… The only ones who feel they must respond to your statement are those with a more extremist point of view.

    Really the only time the moderate’s speak up is when someone starts preaching a very extremeist point of view, since they feel they must point out that they are only part of the problem and are solving nothing with their preachings

  30. Dark Sovereign says:

    It frankly doesn’t matter what belief they were killed for, as the whole reason they were killed is because they believed in God, which went against the "religion is the opiate of the masses" part of Marx’s belief. In other words, they were killed by people who did not believe in God because they believed in God, and therefore were killed by a state mandated belief in atheism. You can piss and moan about how atheism is not Communism, but Communism is the closest thing atheism has to an organization. If the Christians get shat on for killing people who believe differently than them, then atheism deserves to shat on just as badly. The believers were killed BY atheists, FOR the belief of atheism.


  31. Hans Dannik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It can be argued that the massacres were not the result of atheism per se, but rather the collectivist ideology.  Religion was only a threat in so far as it taught people to submit to an authority other than the collective.  Pol Pot didn’t just go after believers; he went after schoolteachers, academics, and freethinkers.  Anyone who might suggest that people think for themselves, that the dictates of the collective (as delivered by the Party) were not to be followed without thought or question, was a threat.

  32. Davis 51 says:

    No, They were killing in the name of COMMUNISM, not Atheism. One cannot kill in the name of lacking a belief system. The ones that did persecute other religons did it because they believed it was detrimental to communism, and it had nothing to do with their own lack of belief.


  33. Valdearg says:

    You and I both know that what you are saying is complete Crap. Just because there is no Referance to God in "everything from GTA to Guitar Hero" doesn’t mean its Athiest. The only games, and I can’t think of a single one off the top of my head, that you can consider Athiest are games that have explicit referances to the belief that there is no god. As an Athiest, I want to keep my life clear of any reference to God in any way shape or form. Keep it out of my schools, my government, my public areas. I don’t want to see it. Essentially, keep your religion to yourself. If you can do that, that I have no problem with any organized religion, however you and I both know thats not how it is. I get bombarded with religious this, spiritual that everywhere I go, and thats what bothers me. Its Even in Politics! Every canditate has to have strong Christian Spiritual Values to even think about running for office. Its rediculous. So quit your complaing about video games, because, to be honest, you have the rest of the freakin world.

  34. Anonymous says:

    It would not be a religion if a religion was defined as just consisting of rituals and structure.  Religion is a belief or a set of beliefs; without that there would be no use for rituals or structure.

  35. Trent ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I persoanlly do not subscribe to the Richard Dawkins "in your face" atheism.

    I have always liked the fact that most atheists try to stay "above" the theist bullshit. Dawkins is just more militant about atheism than I care to subscribe too.

    The banality of the theist argument does irritate me sometimes, but thats the great thing about being an atheist, you can just "tune it out" when you need to.

  36. Dark Sovereign says:

    Check your history. The Communist countries were notable for it. Think Chairman Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot.


  37. Questionmark says:

    FInal Fantasy 10 had some very anti-organized religion undertones as well, the whole "the world’s relgiion is lying to us all and using us" thing.


    Very interesting trend I see more often then you would think. Perhaps game developers are a religiously jaded bunch?

  38. Anonymous says:

    Well God forbid that the you can’t attack the authors of Shinto, Buddhism, Toaism, or any other polytheistic religion. Nope, has to go for the believes in the Bible. While we’re at it, why don’t we just open up the coliseums again. You sure don’t see Christians creating games where you run around killing atheists, now do you??

  39. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Not that I am taking the game seriously, but if you truly beleived that your religion was handed down from God, you would also believe that if the human founder were killed before founding the religion, that would not have stopped that religion. God would have simply chosen another person to found his religion on earth.

    So in effect, Killing Abraham would do nothing but alter the bible to someone else being chosen by God.

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  40. Anonymous says:

    I’m thinking Flash programming using the pedigree ActionScript engine? Hope I have the specs to run that….
    Be warned whenever ANYONE professes to "represent" a group of people – they’re usually as stupid as this guy. I personally dislike the way religion has invaded the everyday and continues to control the lives of people in some countries… militant atheism? Can anyone else see the irony?

  41. Questionmark says:



    I had always respected Atheism a little more highly then many other religions because I had never heard of anyone killing or causing violence in the name of it.

    This story makes me sad.


  42. Kincyr says:

    that’s exactly where I am in Dragon Quest VII.
    and yea, you do in SaGa, there even was a stand-up comedian talking about it, saying God is an Amish dude or something like that

    岩「…Ace beats Jack」

  43. black manta says:

    Makes me wonder, then what an Extremist/Militant Agnostic would be like.  What would his motto be? "I don’t know and you don’t either!"

  44. Dark Sovereign says:

    Atheism is the belief that no deity exists. When it comes to God related matters, faith is all you have. It doesn’t matter whether your faithful to God or to his lack of existence, it’s all faith. That said atheism is not a religion. It has no rituals nor structure.

  45. Anonymous says:

    Then I’d suggest the people you ran into were either immature idiots or on the Internet, wometimes it is hard to tell the difference between the two.

    An atheist, a proper one that is, doesn’t have an opinion as such on religious people, there’s no need to have one as long as they are left alone. My grandmother is a devout church goer, 92 years old and almiost never missed a Sunday, though nowadays the priest comes and visits.

    The priest knows full well that I do not hold to his beliefs in entirety, I do not accept the existence of a higher being, but I choose to live by morals that I myself define. Any one who screams about not beliving in God for no reason other than to get attention isn’t an Atheist in my opinion, they kind of remind me of stories of Politicos who screamed their hatred of Homosexuals only to be revealed as a closet one themselves.

    For me, the whole danger of religion is the kind of offence that can be raised by games such as this, I always despair when someone starts calling for the death of ‘those who believe otherwise’, especially when it’s done in the name of frustration at religions which have been known to actively encourage the death of ‘those who believe otherwise’. The whole game is a masive oxymoron.

  46. GregR says:

    reminds me of that simpsons episode where they go to a prison rodeo and some guy gets the shit beat out of him by a bull.

    announcer: "don’t worry folks, he was arrested for erecting a nativity scene on town property"

    marge: "there’s so much evil in this world"

  47. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hey look its another V-Tech Rampage game … you know a game that has no purpose other than to piss people off and to get some snot nose kid a 15 minute glory stunt … I doubt he even gets a job offer off the game.


    Let’s face it, its a publicity stunt nothing more … hell the kid is probably not even atheist … he’s probably Catholic.



  48. Anonymous says:

    Atheism is the refusal to accept the existence of a Deity, it is not a religion, any more than the fact that a Muslim is not a Christian is a religion, Islam is the religion, not ‘lack of Christianity’.

    It really annoys me when people call Atheism a religion, if that was the case, I could start a religion based on the fact that there are no purple winged monkeys on Planet Earth.

  49. Dark Sovereign says:

    Whenever I run into these extremist atheists, not only do they concentrate on past events, but on past events almost EXCLUSIVELY. The usual subjects of the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and the Salem Witch trials are brought up. They tell me that not only should I not believe in the big beard in the sky, but that I am an idiot for believing in the big beard in the sky, and that the world would be better off without me. So while you may see this person as "not a real athiest" this has fallen in line with most of my experiences with them. I know that this is not representative of all atheists, but neither is Governor Perry representative of all Christians, and too many times have they been grouped together.


  50. kaemmerite says:

    All I can think of when I read this is the Dragon Quest games, where you actually fight (and defeat) God.

    I think you do that in one of the SaGa games too (one of the ones for Game Boy which was renamed as Final Fantasy Legend in America).

  51. Austin_Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah, shut the hell up.  You’re making the rest of us look bad.

    All people have different reasons for not believing.  My friend doesn’t believe because his brother got into a car accident and nearly died.  I believe because I’ve nearly died many times, but always come back from it.  I was pronounced brain-dead by doctors from Duke College in NC, and a day later I got out of the bed, walked to the bathroom, and took a piss, all the while noticing that people were staring at me like I was a fucking zombie.

    It’s not for you to judge what people believe nor why they believe it, so keep you assinine opinion on other people’s beliefs to yourself.

  52. Mauler ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Athiests don’t have a voice?  What about Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Neil deGrasse Tyson, James Randi and Penn and Teller?  We have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to voices.  This guy is a whisper at best and should be ignored right after he is denounced as a fool.

  53. Sam says:

    Wow. Leave it to dimented college kids to create something that ends up bashing their own religion about not having a religion. Atheism always confused me… Why would you belive in not beliving? Just go home!

  54. Anonymous says:

    They do, frequently.

    In truth, most atheists are quite happy to let other people go on believing whatever they like, as long as (a) they don’t try to tell other people to live by rules given to them by a big beard in the sky, and (b) they don’t threaten to kill you if you don’t believe in a big beard in the sky.

    You get extremist atheists, just as you get extremeist religious nuts, but they rarely concentrate on past figures, they are usually about getting attention for more modern events, however, directly and deliberately attacking the two figures most likely to cause offence to either religious side sounds a little to blatant to have been done by a ‘real’ atheist, more likely someone who couldn’t care less, but loves pissing people off.

    Personally, I look at this as being like ‘V-Tech Massacre’, it was done by an offensive person for the sake of causing offence, I don’t think their religios stance had as much to do with the game as the need to jump up and down and shout ‘look at me!’.

  55. Austin_Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The problem scientology has is that so many of its members are brainwashed doing stupid shit in plain view, wearing military uniforms, cruising around on their private asbestos ridden navy, that the world can see how crazy they are. Whats even worse is that unlike most religions, scientology DEMANDS that everyone press their cultish bullshit on everyone else.  That’s where I think the problem comes in;  having your opinion is fine, but unless you can present it in a way that doesn’t include you attempting to talk down to me, I don’t want to hear it.  Most of the atheists who have tried to talk down to me about being Catholic have been nowhere near my intelligence, and one of them actually became an atheist because he didn’t want to wake up on sunday at 10 to go to church, so he rebelled against mommy and daddy (that was the reason he gave, mind you).


  56. Christophe Janson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Killing the prophets would not change shit, a true atheist knows that if Jesus were dead some other dude would just take his place, same with Muhammed, Buddah and the rest. The people had a need for a new religion at the time they were invented if the prophets die before getting enough faith someone else would step in and take their place. This game would be neverending as alternative religions would arise to take the place of current religions.

  57. Vake Xeacons ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    What are they talking about? Outside of the church, practically EVERYONE speaks for atheists. Or at least agnostics. When only 4% of Americans even go to church. Name on decent Christian game (don’t get me started on “Left Behind”; that was just blasphemous). Atheist get everything from GTA to Guitar Hero (I’m talking about songs like “Shout to the Devil”, but you don’t see “Jesus Freak” up there anywhere).

    Athiest have everyone from Sam Harris to MTV speaking for them. Who do we get? TV evangelists that do nothing but ask for money, and corrupt politians. And it doesn’t help our cause any when people like JT start claiming to fight for “Christian values.” Blasphemy.

  58. Dark Sovereign says:

    So, what? Whenever a bigot shows up in the ranks of atheism it’s a plant? Can Christians claim this defense?


  59. Austin_Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Too late, I was there last week, but he missed out on the chance (lulz).

    Let me put it like this:  Germany, the most POLITICALLY CORRECT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, banned Scientology.  Germany hasn’t banned anything excepte hate speech since 1945, and is VERY VERY VERY afraid of banning religions or anything like them out of fear of people remembering the Holocaust.  So, to ban Scientology, it would’ve had to be doing something terrible, like subverting the German government (which it was trying to do).  Scientology is the devil, and its a cult, and it’ll end up like Waco except with more money and crazier people.

  60. Anonymous says:

    I’m far from convinced the guy who wrote this is, in fact, an atheist. It’s too deliberately designed to be offensive and to give atheists a bad name, too ‘spaghetti monster’ to have been a serious attempt, looks more like either satire or defamation to me.

  61. Ace says:

    I think the concept of the game could be pretty cool if handled in a way similar to Red Alert. For those unfamiliar with RA the concept is that Einstein invents a time machine, goes back in time and kills Adolf Hitler only to find that by removing him history played out differently and now there’s loads of wars all over the place with crazy factions, telepathic russians and tesla coils that can kill a man with a satisfying ZAP!

    Not that I think this game will do that. But I’ll reserve judgement until I know more about it (isn’t that a virtue of somesort?) *sly wink*

  62. Dark Sovereign says:

    What always shocked me about such exchanges is that whenever I saw someone mention to a Christian that they were an athiest they would usually get a fierce blinking-at, but the athiest would fire off bile if put in the opposite situation.

    And people are trying to take down Scientology, but they’ve claimed the good old "conspiracy" defense.

  63. Anonymous says:

    Also, we need to eradicate Scientology.

    Watch out, Tom Cruise is going to sue you…in England.

  64. Demontestament says:

    Wait until CAIR gets ahold of this story, that right there will cause a shitstorm. I think the guy was smart not wanting his name given, seeing has how we all know he would have been marked for death just for the Muhammad thing alone. This in no way is going to help athiests at all, it is going to have the opposite reaction to where there will be more generalizing and the nut jobs will try and make it sound this is what all Atheists believe.


  65. Austin_Lewis ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This guy doesn’t care about giving atheism a representation, he just wants to make waves and piss people off. 


    @Dark Sovereign

    Its true that mentioning religion near most atheist welcomes a torrent of mindless abuse, much like that you can get from the simpletons who think that Barack is going to change a damn thing or pull us out of Iraq.  And that’s a damn shame, because there are plenty of atheists who are intelligent people, and a lot of them don’t act like this guy.  My best friend is an atheist, and he even stepped inside the church for my wedding (and didn’t melt, much to my surprise).  He’s an intelligent guy, and tolerant too, which is why I don’t have a problem with him.


    To be fair, many other religions have people who spout their religious view and force it on others, Islam being the leader in it in the world, Baptists being the leader of it in America.  What people need to do is just not force their religion on others, and not go door to door (i’m lookin at the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the cults, etc).  Also, we need to eradicate Scientology.


    Someone had to say it.

  66. Anonymous says:

    This guy is pretty much like the guy in the article below this, good job McCloud, make Atheist look bad with your badly done video game.

  67. tear-rose says:

    that guy has no manners or respect for others faiths.

    (murdering Abraham and the authors of the Bible, before beheading Muhammad)

    how low can this get?and really i have to stop at the last one.beheading the last Prophet?

    i have no problems with Atheists or pagan or any kind of faith. if he wants to prove a point he should do it with class. not in this sick manner.


  68. Dark Sovereign says:

    In my personal experiences, real life and online, mentioning religion anywhere near an athiest invites piles of abuse from them. Rarely, if ever, have I found an athiest who would agree that you are entitled to your beliefs. They don’t need a voice. They need to shut up. Just like all those fundies who hijack almost every religion out there.


  69. Hans Dannik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As an atheist, I have to say that this nutjob gives the rest of us a bad name.  He’s much like the guy who’s trying to get "In God We Trust" removed from money.  These sorts are to atheism what Hagee, Phelps and their ilk are to Christianity.

    It just goes to show that you can get irrational hatred in any religious or philosophical position, even one that explicitly espouses Reason.

  70. Are'el says:

    There’s a certain level of hypocricy in this game concept.  "Atheists don’t have a voice, so let’s silence the religious voice!"  I think everyone should be entitled to their beliefs as long as no one is hurt by them.  But this guy is suggesting that the belief systems of those he disagree with should be destroyed.

    That in no way helps the atheists gain more of a voice.  There are actually a lot of atheists today.  The only reason they aren’t heard from much, is because they aren’t organized under spiritual belief system that connects them.  I suppose they could start an atheist "club," though they’d have to becareful of their "faith" in the lack of a higher power doesn’t become a new religion.  🙂

  71. Jabrwock says:


    Well, I guess Christians et al have had the fun of having their extremist loonies going to town, why not the Atheists turn?

    I usually label myself as Agnostic, because I fall into the "I don’t care either way" group. I am sick of having to explain myself to fundies of any faith though.

    Then again, my bet is that this guy is just out for noteriety, ie, he’s doing it for the ‘lulz’… Murdering Abraham? Beheading Mohammed? How is that supposed to stop religion? No, he’s doing this either out of a misguided idea of how to tone down the problems with organized religion, or he’s doing it to get a rise out of people.

    I don’t think even Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens, as much as they come off as pompous, opinionated jerks who "represent" the Atheist movement, wouldn’t advocate murdering religious figures.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  72. the1jeffy says:

    Atheists have a voice, it’s called the ACLU.


    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  73. Anonymous says:

    This is SO going to promote precisely the reaction it was intended to…This isn’t for atheism, it’s for attention.


    Atheists couldn’t give a darn about Abraham or Mohammed, the cause of the problem is not the mouthpiece, it’s the belief that we don’t have to judge ourselves because God is doing it, and that justifies anything, it’s THAT which scares me about Religion, not the figureheads.

  74. Jonathan says:

    I agree that this will cause a shitstorm(A major one at that), cause we all know how batshit insane muslims get when something or someone disses Islam.

    I don’t think of myself as an Atheist, because I believe in there being life after death and the concept of a soul. I just don’t follow any religions cause there all too full of it for me to care.



  75. Adamas Draconis says:

    Not sure about Agnostics, but I’ve known a couple extremist Pagans, I kindly pointed out to them (admitedly in one case with a retalitory right hook) that their viewpoint was a direct contradiction of "An if it harm none do as thy will" .


    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  76. Anonymous says:

    This sounded perfectly reasonable until the killing bit.  I’m sort of ashamed it’s not a bit more intelligent than it is.

  77. Tony says:

    There are many moderate atheists, as there are many moderate religious people.  We tend to notice the extremes because they make the most noise.

    I wonder if there’s any extremist agnostics, or whether it’s a straight line between extreme atheism and fundameltalism (or maybe a circle – at the extremes do they become indistinguishable, as in politics?).

  78. Anonymous says:

    Anytime anyone comes up with an ORIGINAL idea everyone gets all suspicious lol

    And i love how everyone is questioning if the developer is even an ATHEIST?!

    And i love how you call him a coward when you can’t recognize a PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE when you see one! (if you were him would YOU give out you name and address lol)

    After reading all this crap i am finally going to chime in here:

    I will let you in on something – this game has been in the works for YEARS (first person shooters are not made overnight) how do i know this? because I am one of the programmers he had hired to work on this and there is more than me.

    If the screen caps and interview were not enough for you wait till you see the TRAILER (maybe that will finally shut you the hell up)

  79. MightyHealthy says:

    I can’t believe such low-grade journalism actually provoked some of you into religious debate. Out of the hundreds of comments this article received, there are only a few which question the "source."

    This whole news piece is extremely sketchy…so painfully dishonest, I e-mailed Lindsey Ward about it:


    I viewed your recent report about a "new video game’s objective" via affiliate WAVE3, and I was so deeply disturbed by misinformation presented, I couldn’t help but want to set the record straight.

    I’d prefer to think you’ve been had by the lunatic you gave a voice to, as your piece was quite misinforming and truly harmful…not only to University of Virginia students, but also to videogamers and athiests across the nation.

    Regarding whomever you interviewed:

    – I HIGHLY doubt this person was really athiest. The dead giveaway was his recognition of Abraham. His words and demeanor scream caricature, and he attempts to speak for a whole group of people falsely.
    – If he really worked with 40 other UV students (a claim that was made in the broadcast I viewed, but oddly is absent in the internet version of your article), someone would have brought him down to Earth. You literally invited ridicule of the entire student body, considering nobody’s gonna really know who this crazy guy is, that’s if he’s not a personified straw man to begin with.
    – Nobody has heard of him or his game, yet he gets to remain anonymous while having his "game" advertised in your segment? No offense, but that reeks of propaganda-level unprofessionalism and/or naivety.

    Actual facts regarding videogaming:

    – Commercial games developed nowadays require dozens and sometimes hundreds of developers working in unison. Even the "indie scene" of gaming requires at least a team of 2-3 people to develop and create a game that _could have the chance_ to be purchased by the average consumer.
    – 99.9999999% of the gaming community had no idea of, nor any interest in, the game discussed in your piece. Even the discussions over your report are devoid of interest in the game, and I can assure you I’m not the only skeptic of the bunch.
    – The ESRB has worked to keep violent/mature games out of the hands of children for almost 15 years now…the sign of the times has actually been games "growing up," not becoming fodder for joke interviews (disguised as social commentary) with men of the cloth.

    Hopefully, the real facts will eventually come out, and/or this insultingly misled attempt at controversy will be rightfully ignored. I sincerely hope you were duped.


    <end of email>

    I was nice as possible about such a slanderous, unsupported, and irresponsible piece of flimsy journalism. I’d much rather hear about Colleen Stone’s work, than some supposed lone "developer" who is too cowardly to stand by his.

  80. Anonymous says:

    Catholics *are* Christians, you dumbass! It’s Jews that are the third Abrahamic religion.

    Original and best – go kike pride!

  81. Anonymous says:

    oh, please tell us where you live. I want to know why it’s so much better there.

    Do you live in one of the countries dying of poverty and famine? Or maybe it’s one in the middle east that can’t stop fighting with another neighbor? Or maybe you’re just euro trash? please enlighten us oh master of cultural knowlege.



  82. sabin_blitz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hate to tell you, but there are plenty of other reasons people use to justify death and suffering. Get rid of religion and they’ll just move on to the next excuse.

  83. cantbelieveit says:

    it is really INSANE we live in a country that would actually SELL ‘LEFT BEHIND’ IN STORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (and i’m sure refuse to stock ‘ATHEIST’)

    i’ve even heard of ‘left behind’ being sent to the troops (!)

  84. Anonymous says:

    Bullshit?? Only two hits?? The story only came out TWO DAYS AGO!! Wow, talk about rush to judgement.

    They obviously did not want to give us EVERYTHING at one (that would be just plain stupid and would almost GUARANTEE a 15 minutes of fame LOL)

    And if you have half a brain you would figure it to be first person shooter (and that is mohammed’s torso not his back lol) and i’m sure they want you to find out all the time-travel and other details WHEN YOU ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. (do you see rockstar games divulging all their details BEFORE release?)

    They obviously will have much red tape in trying to get it out there and still remain safe (from the very religious radicals they are trying to do away with lol *irony*) that is why i believe there is no central website (if an orlando reporter can trace a world-wide computer virus epidemic to a server in some kids dorm at some university in central florida, then i’m sure al qaeda could track their server too)

    The shots look good to me from what i can see … did you really expect everything to "look controversial" lol it looks like a GAME – it is probably alot like halo where there is just alot of wandering around the desert looking for targets (i.e. the shots of the battefield)

    The people behind this game are obviously much smarter than you think and games as this (even though there is almost nothing to compare it to) don’t tend to go away in people minds after 15 minutes.

    I think we WILL see more of this game once video is available – JESUS, JUST LOOK AT THIS BOARD!!!!!

  85. Anonymous says:

    You are a complete an utter idiot. I believe the authors is fully aware of what atheism is and as for "publicity stunt" – if he is not giving his name how could he be ‘just looking for publicity.’ You have no original input here and the Hitler analogy was made long ago on this and other boards.

    now go away. retard.

  86. Dark Sovereign says:

    And you non-Americans get so passive. No wonder you live in pathetic, weakening, nanny-states!

  87. Dark Sovereign says:

    Don’t lump Darwin with Dawkins. Darwin made a great advancement in the biological sciences and gave a mechanism by which natural history works. Dawkins used this finding to justify his own atheism. Evolution has nothing to do with God.

  88. CenturionRyan says:

    This is rather strange. I was expecting this to recieve a roar of praise from atheists who read this, but all I see is people being reasonable. Rather strange indeed.

    In all seriousness, though, this guy really paints a bad picture for you atheists out there. Not to mention that the concept is rather idiotic. I could go back in time and kill Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin, but I don’t think that would help my cause much. 

  89. Kris O. says:

    The concern is that the Catholic, Christian, and Islam faiths make up the majority of the world. You’d still have thousands of faiths left over if you removed these three, but the total number of believers in those faiths would be smaller than the total number of believers from Unholy Trinity listed above.

  90. Anonymous says:

    This is just hilarious.  You Americans get so agitated.  No wonder your economy’s fucked!

  91. DraginHikari says:

    There’s the good and bad in every group… there always hatred as there will always been love.

    Not really much way around it really… the biggest issue is people notice the hatred more so then the good.

  92. CKNola ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know, I realize this has probably been said but allow me to repeat it since I’m not going to bother reading every reply here.

    Does anyone else find it tremendously ironic when people become Atheists because they dislike that the major religions constantly try to make everyone convert….and then the same atheist proceeds to talk about how much better the world would be if everyone was Atheist and starts trying to convert everyone?

    It is the same exact mentality.

    Personally I was raised Baptist but turned out more Deist.

    But it cracks me up seeing people use the same mentality they claim to hate.

    Oh and to the guy a few posts up above.

    The reason the comparison to Hitler is invalid is because Hitler doesn’t have tons of followers who actually use his teachings to better their lives without hurting anyone.

    I’m from New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina met dozens and seen thousands of people who used their faith in Jesus as a reason to come down and help out.

    They didn’t ask about peoples faith, they didn’t preach, they just helped.

    Christianity is not just Fred Phelps and Jack Thompson, Islam is not just Osama Bin Laden.

    For every psycho who uses religion as motivation to hurt people, there are hundreds or thousands who use it as motivation to help people.



  93. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    Oh, and hey, since we’re tossing religion into this, I believe in god. Not the god of an organized religion, but my own beliefs. Don’t call me "spiritual" though. That word is stupid beyond belief.


    -GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

  94. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    I believe it was called "Left Behind" or something like that. You could try to convert non-christians, or you could just shoot them, althou I think there was some sort of penalty for doing that.


    -GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

  95. Anonymous says:

    i do seem to remember an RTS that you played the role of a christian where you would convert people or smite them ( i don’t remember the name and the game sucked so much it didn’t get attetion) as for the part of giving them more bullets to fire at atheism it doesn’t matter for they always have enough, for i have ridiculed, shunned, scorned, and looked down upon for my beliefs or lack there of and a small part of me embraces this idea so i can shoot back, however i would rather not actually wanted released for it would breed intolerance

  96. Aliasalpha says:

    Okay I’ve just watched the video and the first thought that occurred was "Bullshit"

    Not the game concept, the report itself. I saw 2 static & generic images that was about as inspecific as you can get & unless I’m missing some religious imagery, looked like a guy’s back & a field. Add to this a vague description of a concept & no mention of the game style, is it RPG, action, platform, driving the back to the future car for religious themed GTA style vehicular homicide? No mention of a website where you can get more information either. Finally there was no potential identification, now this may be exactly as he claimed, that he’s worried about a backlash and thats not unreasonable but then wouldn’t they have distorted his voice a bit?


    If we never hear about this again, I’ll not be surprised. I hate to sound like the "OMG teh newz iz teh conspirasiez" kind of person but this seems less like a wanker trying to get his 15 pathetic minutes of controversy-driven fame and more like a news station realising that it’s been a slow week & trotting out a hastily put together filler. A google search of +game +"university of virginia" +"atheist community" reveals only 2 hits relevant to this issue, one is this page and the other is the news page that this page links to. You’d think that the student would at least have a webpage up explaining his concept & showing off these images.


    A hypothetical what-if examination of time could be really fascinating when applied to religion & as the anonymous person said earlier, it is a fairly original idea in a marketplace of crap, sequels & crap sequels. Would new prophets have arisen & made the situation 10 times worse out of anger that the old prophet was killed? Would the lack of organised religion perpetuated the sun worship & given us a culture of superstition & human sacrifice? Would the world have turned to kittens & chocolate (Sure this one’s not that probable)? If you could go back in time & get them to change their minds or maybe nitpick jesus’ sermon on the mount (probably not in that "What was that he said about the greek?"/"Blessed are the cheesemakers?" way) and basically upstage him, that might take the wind out the movement. In fact it’d be really cool if the way you resolved the situation radically altered the outcome, violently removing the prophet leads to a revenge driven religion, upstaging the prophet deflates the movement, talking the prophet into a different view creates a new & less conflicting religion.

    In short, if the game is real I’ll give it a go and hope that it’s good & not just "kill waves of fanatics until you reach the boss fight where you have to shoot the prophet till bulletholes make the shape of his holy symbol"

  97. BrandonL337 says:

    Hmm funny because 99% of Athiests that I’ve met on the internet are calm, rational and and just fine with letting them beleave whatever they want so long s you don’t try to force your belaefs on them and I actually go to athiest websites

    hmm could it be that your talking out of your ass, moronic athiests much like fundies are the minority but their the ones who get noticed.  It is very likly that you’ve talked to and had discussions with nomal calm athiests who were not inclined to brodcast the fact, quite possiblly to avoid asshats telling them that they are going to hell so no i’d say that 99% of the atheists you talked to were sane and tolerant you just didn’t know it.

  98. Funky J ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I was just thinking…

    If Hell is the absence of God as some people say, doesn’t that mean Hell is therefore a Heaven for Atheists?

    And if God sends those who don’t believe in Him to Hell, then he will be sending Atheists to Heaven for not believing in Him?

    Sounds like a Win – Win situation for all.

  99. Adamas Draconis says:

    Actually I’ve known quite a few Agnostic and Atheists here in Alabama. It’s just like most Wiccan/Pagans we/they tend to be whispers among screams or we simply keep quiet because we get tired of the "YOU GOING TO HELL" thing.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  100. what?? says:

    i think it is an AWESOME idea for a game. the idea of eliminating all the suffering and death inflicted by those religions before it happens is anything but "stupid"

    and the analogy about getting rid of a young hitler before his rise to power is spot-on

  101. Tony says:

    Really?  Or have you just met lots of moderate agnostics/atheists that don’t go on about it.  Anyone would probably have a hard time telling the difference between a theist and a theistic-agnostic unless you quizzed them on it, since on the surface they’re going to be doing roughly the same things.


  102. Roie says:

    Hah. How incredibly lame.

    I’m agnostic. (Since we’re throwing our beliefs out there).

    Ignoring the religious aspects for a moment… this truly sounds like a stupid game…

  103. Ack says:

    So, that’s it?  That’s your means of solving your perceived problem?  Incite more violence?

    Also, why’d you leave out Buddha and Lao Tzu?  Where’s Vishnu?  Do you have something against Buddhism, Daoism, or Hinduism?  Heck, the three can be argued as atheist groups, because it is possible to believe in all three and not follow a God of any sort.  Yet automatically all religions are bad?

    Please, just do a little research into what you’re fighting so hard against.  I believe that the reason many atheists make the claim is because they haven’t actually done any research to see if there is any religion that might be similar to their views.  At least this seems to be the case with most of the atheists I’ve met in my day.

  104. Anonymous says:

    I wonder if this guy is with the United Atheist Alliance or the United Atheist League.

  105. Loudspeaker says:

    Ok time for me to throw a few extra cents into this thread…

    My take is this guy doesn’t understand what an atheist is or what they represent.  Somehow he got the idea that atheists are against all other religions.  In the interest of avoiding a flame war I won’t take that further (I also want to stay on topic).

    I agree with everyone that this game concept is retarted.  However, that said, I feel it’s retarded when you put the creator’s religion in the mix.  What would happen if a historical, religious figure was eliminated?  Many of us have already speculated that someone else would just pick up the torch or that the opposite was true as it appears the creator of this proposed game seems to feel.  That kind of speculation would make for an excellent game storyline.

    As I ponder this game idea suggested by the article it makes the similarities between politics and religion more and more clear.  Just recently a movie was finished (the title escapes me at the moment) about the Bush Administration years, only President Bush is assasinated in the movie and then it plays out what would happen after that.  There was a HUGE uproar over this at the White House with everything from a, "Please don’t make this movie.", to the, "This movie is a threat against the President.  If you continue we will try you all for treason and threatening the President’s life."  What I’m getting at is…  If this game were changed to say eliminating Hitler, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, or George Washington would you still have the same reservations?

    This announcement is obviously a publicity stunt as is the idea for the game.  I do wish they’d rethink how they’re approaching religion and making Atheism out to be an organized anti-religion group.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  106. R_Shackelford says:

    Most, if not all religions (and especially the Abrahamic traditions) are rooted in astrology. Judeo-Christianity is simply a more recent adaptation of previous pagan traditions.

    Mithra? Krishna? Osiris? Jesus? All solar deities with almost identical mythologies.

  107. OHSHIT says:

    lets face it guys this game is not just getting attention for its content

    it is because it is a damn original idea and you really don’t see game developers doing anything even remotely like this

    i think this guy is a fucking genius.

  108. Anonymous says:

    o i think this going to be much more than a warhol 15 minutes

    especially when the trailer hits youtube 🙂

  109. Anonymous says:

    well personally i agree with this game – no one ever said at atheists were humanists and if i could assassinate a young hitler i probably would.

    and for him to assume abraham to be a real figure, he probably was – *someone* created the judeo-christian religion

  110. TheEdge says:

    My flame war senses are tingling!

    I guess I should be offended as a Christian,but I really am not that sad.

    Like everyone else is saying,this dude is sooooooo obviously to get 15 minuets of fame.

    I’ve never encoutered an atheist before,mainly cause everyone here in Alabama is religious.

  111. Ryan M ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ugh, people like this make me ashamed to identify myself as an atheist. 

  112. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    Well, as a constitutionalist I believe they have the right to make any sort of retarded game they want, regardless of how I feel about it. I would  however like to excercise my right to say that it [this game] does nothing but make them look like a bunch of assholes. Just because you choose not to believe in something does not mean you should bomb on everyone who does.


    -GRIZZAM PRIME(c)is property of the U.S. Marine Corp. Wetworks Dept., and also The Incredible Hulk-GRIZZAM PRIME is not to be associated with GRIZZAM 512 or any other GRIZZAM entity under penalty of law, so sayith ZARATHOS.

  113. R_Shackelford says:

    P.S. Were there any historical validity to the actual existence of "Abraham" and his position as the "father" of the Abrahamic religions, his elimination would render Muhammad beheading moot.

    And I’m guessing the creator of this game likes to claim that his atheism is rooted in his supreme command of "intellect" and "logic."


  114. Anonymous says:

    P.S. Were there any historical validity to the actual existence of "Abraham" and his position as the "father" of the Abrahamic religions, his elimination would render Muhammad beheading moot.

    And I’m guessing the creator of this game likes to claim that his atheism is rooted in his supreme command of "intellect" and "logic."


  115. R_Shackelford says:

    Er… anyone else see the problem with an "atheist" declaring Abraham to be an actual historical figure?


  116. RolicRillics says:

    Hmm.. well, as a self-proclaimed atheist, I find the concept kind of offensive.

    Really… Killing people who in most cases spread peaceful and acceptance values to people just because sometime later in the line some idiots who didn’t get it decided to kill or ostracize in their names?

    Might as well have a level where you kill Issac Newton for all the destruction knowledge of physics has wrought.

  117. Saladin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As a practicing muslim, I can say that I couldn’t care less about this one guy’s obvious attempt to make waves. I’ve had heated arguments on GP before about crap like this, and it’s just gonna happen again and again.

  118. Origin says:

    "So, we happen to be on the 1 planet out of 8 that is capable of supporting life"

    I don’t want to be an ass, but aren’t earth and mars the only ones capable of supporting life? I mean other planets are gaseous, too hot, etc. to begin fathoming life, even microscopic. Earth and Mars are just in range of temperature and design (geographically) to support life, albeit microscopic on Mars, but it’s something!

    "We aren’t some miraculous thing, Just a statistic."
    Good point, but I think the need for religion is a way of satisfying that greatest of human fears, death. With a promise of an afterlife, and in some religions, an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent god, who cares for ones existence, and cares for each human, it helps soother that traumatic end. I mean, i’m Catholic, baptised young, went to Catholic schools until college, I’ve had a lot of people try to challenge, and present views that we are just a statistical fact, and in some views, an anomaly, in this great big universe. But I feel to each his own, I don’t push my views on others, and I appreciate when they don’t push either.

    "Not to mention the only reason we don’t have evidence of life outside of earth, *which would be the final nail in many Christian’s Coffins as far as belief would go*"
    *playing devil’s advocate*How? We only have passages of a higher power’s involvement here, on earth. We haven’t heard stories of involvement in other areas, be they planets or entire galaxies. If it came to pass that there was other life, it could add more to our beleif. Another species (may or may not look like us) that experiences the same plight, life death, and the attempt to prevent it. Who knows, they could have a similar beleif system to one of our numerous religions, according to you, statistically, it could happen.

  119. Father Time says:

    Killing a select few to stop the spreading of a ‘dangerous’ idea. Reminds me of V for Vendetta and 1984 somewhat.

    I believe firmly that ideas should not be surpressed but rather debated/debunked, and I REALLY don’t feel comfortable with this game.

  120. sabin_blitz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m going to have to disagree with you. Give a person with a desire to do evil the means and the excuse to do evil and he will do evil. It doesn’t matter if what they use to justify their actions is meant for good or not, and if it isn’t God they’re hiding behind, they’ll hide behind something or someone else. The evil actions of a few do not represent the whole.

    If anything, I’d make a game where you’d go around and try to stop the instigators of the atrocities they commited in the name of God, and I’m not talking about Abraham, Jesus(who is the Christ), Muhammed or the apostles.

    *types down idea*

  121. Anonymous says:

    immature – yes. but wrong – no. i firmly agree with the statement about the millions killed and as mentioned in a similar post – you really have no idea if any of the other religious figures that would sprout up in abrahams place would have started something so dramatically violent and horrible as the judeo-christian religion would eventually become in the middle ages (or in the bush administration lol)

  122. sabin_blitz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    He’s stating his beliefs, and in a much more gracious manner than you. That is no excuse for blasting him. We reserve that for those who are truly disrespectful or bear the name Jack Thompson. He is neither of these.

  123. Anonymous says:

    Um…are you actually telling him that it is wrong to tell people what is wrong…with a straight face?  Really?

  124. sabin_blitz ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m imagining that in my head right now. It’s actually really good

  125. Anonymous says:

    That is a good example of the selective hyperskepticism fallacy.  Or, as my friend KairosFocus puts it:

    Selective Hyperskepticism: that fallacy which seeks to reject otherwise credible evidence by demanding an inappropriately high type or degree of warrant not applicable to matters of fact, i.e. the general type of question being discussed. Especially, where the same standard is not exerted in assessing substantially parallel cases that make claims that one is inclined to accept.

    This form of question-begging is of course generally applicable — it is the root of the oft-heard credo popularised by the late Cornell Professor, Carl Sagan, i.e. "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Here, the underlying problem is that "extraordinary" as a rule means that the matters in view are claims one wishes to reject, not so much on grounds that the evidence is inadequate relative to what constitutes adequate warrant for matters of fact, but instead because the claims appear to be implausible relative to one’s worldview assumptions and assertions. But plainly, if the real issue is divergence of worldviews, the matter should be addressed as one for comparative difficulties analysis across live options for core beliefs about the world, on (1) factual adequacy, (2) coherence, and (3) elegance/ad hocness — not by begging the question through pretending that the evidence brought forward is inadequate for deciding on matters of fact.

  126. Mauler ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Saying "there is no god" is really a shorthand way of saying "there are no leprechauns."  I can’t prove there is no god any more than I can prove there really aren’t leprechauns.  It’s just back to the default position that god is unprovable and, as such, meaningless to the point that we might as well exclude god from the discussion so we can get on to more useful things.  Carl Sagan wrote a wonderful essay titled The Dragon In My Garage that puts this claim to rest : 

    "Now, what’s the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there’s no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I’m asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

  127. Aliasalpha says:

    I do hope that you gave those athiests a smack around the head & told them that they’re self-centred idiots. Not meeting god is no proof of the lack, much like not having met the man/woman/donkey of your dreams doesn’t mean that he/she/it doesn’t exist.


    something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience


    Does that make my obssessive love of Bioware games an official religion? "Let us now sing the hymn of The Redemption Of Darth Revan"

  128. Sebastian says:

    "However, God is a supernatural being. Proof of his existence is irrelevant. Even if God is not a physical being, he exists so long as poeple say he does."

    That makes exactly zero sense.

    But let me try to reiterate: Is not believing in god a belief? Yes. But since there is no evidence whatsoever for any kind of supernatural being, not believing in any is actualy the more rational thing to do.
    Also, a belief does not make a religion. I believe that Austria won’t win the European Cup this year, but I’m not celebrating any masses over it.

  129. sqlrob says:

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. An omnipotent, omniscient being is an extraordinary claim, thus it requires the proof, not the negative that atheism claims.

    Watchmaker hypothesis isn’t valid, don’t even bother with it unless you can break out of the infinite recursion without a special case.





  130. Monte says:

     Atheism DOES make a claim; it’s claim is that their is "the is no deity"… When someone presents "evidence" or "logic" that proves God’s existence the atheist refutes such claims. And some Atheist go a step further and try to get ahead of the religious arguments by presenting "evidence" and "logic" to refute god’s existence; which the religious in turn try to knock down… Both sides make a claim and have arguments to present

    The only belief that makes no real claim are the agnostics. They’re the ones that realized that such arguments are pointless and just run in circles. Arguing the non-existence of "god" becomes especially difficult when you realize that you are not just arguing against the "christian god" or the "islamic god" but need to argue agianst ALL god’s… which is impossible since there is no real single definition for "god"… afterall, while some religions say that god must be all powerful, all knowing, benevolent, and perfect, old belief systems such as the norse and Greek mythology tell us that a "god" doesn’t have to be any of those (hell, immortality is not even a requirement). 

  131. Anonymous says:

    I know plenty of atheists who don’t meet that broader definition, since atheism isn’t something they "follow" or "pursue." It just means they don’t believe in gods.

  132. E. Zachary Knight says:

    But Atheists often do the exact same thing. Many an Atheist I have met has told me:

    I have never met God, so he must not exist or God did not provide a miracle during such and such point in my life, so he must not exist.

    I am not saying that just because you cannot prove that does not exist, he does. That revelation is a personal one for everyone.

    But as for your claim that Atheism is not a religion:

    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
    4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
    5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
    6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

    From American Heritage Dictionary:

      1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
      2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
    1. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
    2. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
    3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

    While Atheism does not proscribe to the supernatural aspect of the primary definition it does fall under the more generalized definitions.

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  133. Dark Sovereign says:

    Atheism makes the claim that God does not exist. It must therefore provide proof that God does not exist. Unless Atheism is saying "I don’t think about it", Atheism makes a claim that must be backed up by proof.

    However, God is a supernatural being. Proof of his existence is irrelevant. Even if God is not a physical being, he exists so long as poeple say he does.

    Atheists often make a similar logical fallacy in their arguments. Namely that absence of evidence is evidence of absense. This is a fallacy because absence of current evidence is only evidence that no proof has been found of the object, not that that object or concept does not exist.

    I do agree with your point on evolution. Whether or not evolution is a fact (it is, so far as a metatheory can be fact) is irrelevant to the existence of  God.

  134. Anonymous says:

    "I’m a little skeptical with my religion but I choose to believe it with my primitive foolish mind XD, anyway there is plenty of science that disproves the existence of God but theres also quite a bit of science that supports the existence of God, well assuming you’ve never watched the privledged planet from Nova or something explains how the Earth is just the right distance from the sun and how Earth is like the only planet that is like so than any we know so far and all this other crap and stuff that I forgot, strangely enough the video wasn’t really religious in any sort of way."

    What supports the existence of God in this post? If we were on Mars and it happened to be the "Perfect" distance from the sun to support life, we’d be saying the same thing! Not to mention the only reason we don’t have evidence of life outside of earth, *which would be the final nail in many Christian’s Coffins as far as belief would go* is because we havent invented the means to travel to another STAR, let alone another Galaxy. Our particular Solar System has 8 Planets (Now that Pluto isnt a Planet.. WTF?) So, we happen to be on the 1 planet out of 8 that is capable of supporting life. NOW, given that there are MILLIONS of stars in our Galaxy, and MILLIONS of Galaxies around the Universe,  if even 1 out of every BILLION Stars has even 1 planet, * I believe my numbers are probably conservative, there is probably many more planets than I’m accounting for*, And our solar system has a 16% chance of supporting life. That would mean there are MILLIONS of other planets out there capable of supporting life. Needless to say, regardless of whether its this planet, or Planet 0x567r32wd3r in the OmegaBlarg Galaxy, Life is bound to happen. We aren’t some miraculous thing, Just a statistic.



  135. SomeChristianKid says:

    I am aware of all the incorrect spelling and grammer in my last post, I was in a  bit of a rush.


    I apologize to anyone who found my post to be offensive(atheist or hidu Bhuddist or whatever)

    And to the staff of GP, if my post was too off topic then I apologize for burdening you with my post and I would like to say that your site is quite fascinating and that the staff at GP are doing a excellent job!

  136. SomeChristianKid says:

    Wow, I really don’t think this game is actually going to shed a positive light on atheists, don’t necessarily agree with their beliefs as can be applied by my name but I hardly doubt any of them would travel back in time to kill them or share the same desire with the designer of this strange game.

    And sorry for going into the whole religious thing but I just can’t help it, there are some Christians who support evolution as a way of showing how perfect we turned out or something along those lines and how everything just clicked, others believe evolution is wrond mainly due to the fact that would make man in the biblical sense not special, on the same level as a animal.

    I’m a little skeptical with my religion but I choose to believe it with my primitive foolish mind XD, anyway there is plenty of science that disproves the existence of God but theres also quite a bit of science that supports the existence of God, well assuming you’ve never watched the privledged planet from Nova or something explains how the Earth is just the right distance from the sun and how Earth is like the only planet that is like so than any we know so far and all this other crap and stuff that I forgot, strangely enough the video wasn’t really religious in any sort of way.

    I can understand the skepticism of atheists on the existence of God with everything happening in their lives and of those surrounding them, hell I had shit happen to me too, but I still believe in God, even if alot of people would find the whole Bible to be just ridiculous.

    As people have said before me, religion is pretty much a way for people to have a explanation of things that are happening in their world, but its also a way for people to have hope and some comfort in their lives, don’t get me wrong, just cause you believe in God does not mean everything is just gonna a freaking paradise with animals frollicking around, I know plenty of fellow church members, myself included who have had shit happen to them, hell thats one of the main reasons some of them came to religion, the desperate and the ignorant(Don’t really mean this in a bad sense although I think I’m insulting myself)

    It may seem incredibly stupid to alot of people but I would just like to believe that after all the shit in my life that there will be paradise after my death as corny as that sounds(no, I am not going to blow my brains out to be with God), I mean who wants to believe that theres pretty much nothing after death, just nothing at all, just staying in the dirt for all eternity, hell that shit sounds my depressing than the bible XD

  137. SomeChristianKid says:

    Okay sorry for wasting even more space but I meant to type "Hindu" or Bhuddist or some other religious group

  138. Anonymous says:

    How is it that People are comparing a belief in Christianity to a "Belief" in Atheism? I am an atheist, and I can assure you, Im not the kind of person to "Believe" anything without a fairly large amount of substantial evidence, and Im sorry, but there is a TON more evidence pointing towards the Non-existance of god than the his existance. Even just thinking Logically for once, which, for some reason, I find it difficult to believe that so many people in the world can’t do this, which is a more plausible choice:

    A: All life in this world is the way it is because it changed slowly over time, adapting to thier environments and changing to cope with thier need for survival, much like the human body does with it’s enviroment, both short term and long term. There are still many dormant instincts and natrual behaviors in the human body that exist from a more primitive existance that have been slowly becoming less and less active as time goes on. (For example, the Appendix. Evidence suggests it used to be a second "Helper" stomach used to help digest the raw protiens in animal meat, However, over time, it has evolved to little more than a dormant flap of flesh)

    Or B: Theres a magical guy in the sky who controls every facet of every creatures existance from the day you are born to the day you die, and by using your thoughts, you can talk to this guy, even though he doesn’t talk back, and ask him for things that never really get delivered.

    Face it, religion is nothing more than a lingering facet of human’s need to understand whats going on around them, and primitive humans who didn’t have the means to explain the universe chose instead to believe in magical stories and people. As science expands and grows and continues to explain the "unexplainable" you can bet that Religion will follow the same way as the Appendix… It will become a peice of history, utterly useless, and nothing else.

  139. Mnementh2230 says:

    Atheist RAAAGE!

    Ok, I’m an atheist, and the concept of the game is just stupid. Let people have their religions, FFS – if it makes them happy, that’s wonderful.

  140. JESUS says:

    Who the fuck do you think you are? Telling people what is "wrong" and right – you are no better (and you certainly are not "humble")

  141. jkdjr25 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    *rolls eyes*

    Here we go again.

    As a practicing Christian I think this is one of the most moronic game ideas I’ve ever heard. Most of you who know me also know that I’ve got no real problem with someone being an atheist. It’s your choice to not believe, personally I think it’s the wrong choice but it’s the one you’ve made and I respect that. Why then is it that guys like this feel it’s their job to try and deprive me of MY right to choose to believe?

    My personal experience is that guys like this tend to be the most active in their atheism, whether or not they are in fact the majority is another matter entirely. He has the right to make this tripe but it’s fairly offensive and it’s not going to actually make anyone stop and think about what he’s saying. Not just because he’s being a complete jerk, but also because he’s wrong.

    At least in my own, not so humble opinion.

  142. no says:

    that is not the "same mindest the author was upset about" – i am sure he is not only upset about the violence induced by religion over history as he is the OPPRESSION over people’s very existance in parts of the world caused by mindless religion that is against free-thinking

    where did all these people on this board come to confuse atheism with pacifism?

    if darwin’s belief of survival of the fittest is correct – atheists are hardly pacifists.

  143. Sebastian says:

    1. What has evolution to do with atheism?

    2. Evolution does not claim that "life can be spontaneously created", nor does it make any assertions about the universe. You’re probably thinking of abiogenisis here, but that too doesen’t claim that "life can be spontaneously created".

    2. Just for the record: There are not only mountains, but mountain ranges of evidence for evolution.

  144. Anonymous says:

    Evolution does not generally make claims about the origin of life. Evolution is not a "competing theory" for the creation of life, since theories of evolution do not make claims as to how life began.

  145. the1jeffy says:

    No. You’ve taken the lack of perfect evidence of one thing (evolution) as proof of another (Christian God).  That is illogical, and requires a person that believes this to make leap of faith.  Which is fine, but don’t try to pass it off as logic, or anything other than your personal beliefs.   Atheism doesn’t require proof to exist, because it make no claims.  The burden of proof lies with the claimant.

    Atheism is not a religion.  Look at what the word means, please.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  146. Linenoise says:

    Atheism IS a religion, in the sense that it, like other religions, cannot be proven and must be taken on faith.  So many people like to hide behind evolution as proof, but it’s not.  Science has yet to prove life can be spontaneously created.  And that’s a far step from science creating an entire universe in a lab.  Even if they did, it would not be proof.  Unfortunately, the competing theory is that evolution was created, and that cannot be disproven – since no one was present at the beginning of the universe, there is always a chance its true, and therefore comes down to personal belief.


    The reason I make this argument is simple – it means we’re ALL THE SAME.  No one knows the real answer (its NOT science/proof vs. religion/makebelieve), and thinking that religion is the source of problems in the world is misguided – people have done horrible things in the name of God, in the name of the Dollar, in the name of just pure hatred.


    This game itself illustrates my point.  If indeed the point is to murder people to stop specific religions from spreading, isn’t that the exact same mindset that the author is supposedly upset about?  A member of the Muslim religion killing non-believers is bad, but a member of the Atheist religion killing non-believers is ok?  Sorry, that’s simply another example of one religion (atheism) violently forcing their views on another.

  147. omg says:

    crusades all over again?? you must be joking. taking a preventive measure by elimitating a dangerous *few* not the killing of millions over generations (i.e. the crusades)

    (again another guy who missed the point)

  148. Father Time says:

    As an atheist I have to say that this game is very stupid. Stop the spread of a religion by killing it’s propenents? It’s the crusades and the inquisition all over again (yay).

    As explained in 1984 if you kill someone over their beliefs you make them a martyr. Even if you force them to say they were wrong or they don’t believe anymore they’re still martyrs.

    A better atheist game would be to try to expose the miracles as acts of fraud or simply magic tricks or convincing people that the religion is insane and full of plot holes (so to speak). That game I would get behind.

    Or even better a game where you play God that points out plot holes (sort of).

    ‘You as an all knowing God create two people adam and eve knowing they’ll disobey you later and they do.

    Will you in your all loving good nature let them back in? After all you designed them this way you are partially responsible for their actions.

    YES NO

    Something like that.

    Does anyone know a way to contact the guy? I think the play God and rewrite Bible history game would be much more effective in getting the message and it will anger the fundamentalists even more (a win-win combination).

  149. fuckyou says:

    as the article states: this game only mirrors the violence they see (and its VIRTUAL) do you really think they would have added beheading to the game if that wasn’t already an established element in islamic culture??!!



  150. Zerodash can't login ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As a huge atheist, I can say the very idea of this game is TRIPE. One of the main reasons people turn away from religion is because of the violence & hate that they promote. 

  151. Anonymous says:

    have you forgottten that our taxes are sending our troops in to kill many, many people??!!

    and everybody is up an arms over killing a few individuals to save the millions of victims of religion over the years??


  152. nightwng2000 says:

    I’m non-religious agnostic and it doesn’t sound all that interesting to me either.

    Now, if you put this in a rational context, say in a computer RPG version of TimeMaster, where showing failures to stop the killings of religious icons and their subsequent potential reprocussions, now THAT might be intersting.  Especially if you get together some top notch "what-if experts".

    But, to be honest, this game sounds more like an Atheist version of Ethnic Cleansing.  Ok, maybe a bit strong, but still…


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  153. Gregorius says:

    I’m athiest and I consider this to be entirely retarded.  I don’t quite follow this dudes thinking, the world would be a better place without religion, okay fair enough, so let’s go kill some people.  Wha?  Isn’t killing people the problem?

  154. Anonymous says:

    well i do think its his – atheists havfe one nothing to "kick people in the ass" as this game has done – and with all this debate i see it is working

    what is the point on the game?? to remind people that abraham and muhammad were just flash and blood and without them you would not see a church on every corner


  155. Lance20000 says:

    hmm this person who says he is a voice to atheists is probably just as bad as the people who he hates. I have a hard time with organised religion but I do know that every bad point usualy has a good one. However it looks like this guy just wants to scream louder to get more attention. He says that atheists need a voice but I dont think its his.

  156. Anonymous says:

    so you are going to call the developer who is making a serious statement a "jack-ass" but not the creators of south park??!! you, my friend are the "poor, poor" person

  157. PADRES294 says:

    I myself an atheist, am ashamed of this designer. This game will not give us a voice, but will give theists a false representation of our beliefs. The only thing thing that will come from this are messages of intolerance and bigotry.

  158. Elomin Sha ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I agree with that. In my mind when it is said in that photo accompanying this topic ‘God does not believe in Aethiests’ so they do not exist, technically by that account they do. For something not to an exist there must be the idea. For something not to exist we must have no idea what so ever about it (not the idea of we do not know how to do it).

  159. Anonymous says:

    That intelligent debate ahould be about Fundamentalism. Wielded by any hand, be that Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, scientist, or any political force for that matter, fundamentalism is dangerous. If that kind of fundamentalesque message is a voice for atheists, I’ll speak for myself.

  160. BrandonL337 says:

    Ah crap this is the lsat thing Athiests and gamers need right now athiests for the obvious reason and gamers because you the pycho-conservative fundies are gonna be on thier news networks(FOX) screaming how the Athiest-Gamer-Satanists want to kill the "enlightened"

    and others claiming the all/most of gamers are athiest and that athiests are devil worshippors

  161. Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    " I’m really hoping this doesn’t get widespread coverage by the larger news networks. " You and me both. The atheist community needs to express itself with intelligent debate and discussions. "Statements" like this title are just going to give more ammunition to the right-wing nuts.

  162. DraginHikari says:

    And you really believe by removing one faction that another wouldn’t have appeared there have been litnerally hundreds if not thousands of different ‘cults’ and religious groups that could have pull off the same thing if they had the opperunity?

    But by saying ‘I’m right your wrong suck my dick’ just is showing how ignorance you’re chosing to be about the issue.   You’re willingness to generalize and narrow the reality is immature at best.


  163. Anonymous says:

    and for all of you that keep saying ‘he is no better than the murdering religious fanatics’ – dude, he is obviously smart enough to know that by killing a few religious fanatics COULD HAVE SAVED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIVES SINCE THE MIDDLE AGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    anybody who disagrees can suck my dick.

  164. MonkeyFace says:

    Hilter!and the uh….Legion of doom! are plotting to assassinate Jesus,using the lake as a base.

    Seriously this whole thing just seems like a really cheesy Family Guy episode. Poor, poor, athiest; finally joining the club of being represented by a jack-ass

    Christians=Jack Thompson/GWB

    Mormons=That crazy sect from Texas

    Muslims=Don’t get me started


    —-Reno to Thompson "I’m only interested in virile men. That’s why I’m not attracted to you." This kids, is what we call a grammatical smack down

  165. ArchRanger says:

    Shitstorm is right. I agree that atheists need more representation within this country, but killing virtual representations of the prophets of major religions? That really doesn’t do anything to help any of us out. This is going to go over like a lead balloon, adding to many conservatives’ beliefs that all atheists want to do is kill them all. I’m really hoping this doesn’t get widespread coverage by the larger news networks. 

  166. Kris O. says:

    I’m an atheist, and I’m anti-religious to boot. A craptacular game is not going to "give atheists a voice." If anything, this will just show the fanatics how evil we atheists are (insert the EAC’s logo here), and how badly we need to be stopped or put in our place.

    I’m all for traveling backwards in time and fixing a problem before it becomes a problem, but it needs to be a well-told story that invokes thought and becomes emotionally entrenching, and show the consequences of accomplishing the task at hand. I highly doubt that this game will have a written story such as this. Even if it does, the plot has already been spoiled, so those who need "converting" wouldn’t go near this game. Preaching to the choir accomplishes little, and general douche-baggery accomplishes much less.

  167. Anonymous says:

    Just a repeat of V-tech rampage. Won’t be surprised if it’s the same kid.


  168. Terraja ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m not entirely sure that the voice atheists want to be given to them is one shouting “kill the religious leaders.” Going back in time and brutally executing major religious figureheads is not a positive thing. Unless you’re talking about God of War.

  169. Azhrarn ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    While i may not be a real atheist (i do not believe God does not exist, i believe that its quite possible there is a "god", just not in the way that christianity does.)  but even then, why would i want to "murder" figures from religious history to get the point accros that atheism may be a valid faith aswell??

    They have as much right to their beliefs as atheists do to theirs, this looks like it was made only to cause an uproar.

    Not to give the "atheist community" a voice, i doubt many atheists would condone murder regardless of what the "victim" had caused through his actions, intentional or not.



  170. thefremen says:

    If they can pull this off, it will be the greatest game in years. There needs to be a sequel where you kill the apostles.

  171. black manta says:

    Pretty much in agreement with you there.  Hm, I wonder what an Agnostic game would be like?  By comparison, it would probably be pretty boring; just watch the major religions develop and go about your business.

  172. Adamas Draconis says:

    Actually, to me as a Pagan, it puts me in mind of someone having the idea of simulating the Burning Times. Needless to say, THATS A BAD THING!!

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  173. Adamas Draconis says:

    Hmmm actually, now that I think of it,Agnostic might actually be a better description for me, but either way, I just say I’m a solitary practioner.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  174. Anonymous ( User Karma: -12 ) says:

    Tis zippy again



    For the record I believe in "God" and thigns beyond human comprehension, its religion(not faith or spriaulity) and the way humans interrupt things that I have become disenfranchised with.


    God is beyond gendar and petty huamisims.

  175. Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    "As a practicing Catholic I personally have nothing against atheists"

  176. Gene ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I completely agree. In what way does this aid the atheist argument? I believe in God 100% (I’m a practising Jehovah’s Witness) and have had many interesting, reasoned debates with my atheist friends over such things as Evolution vs. Creation and the relevancy of the Bible in modern life. But what is this person doing that is so different from religious fundamentalists who scream about killing atheists? Atheism is about not believing in god, not a violent suppression of religion. This person is clearly only looking to stir up trouble, and I am infuriated by his attitude. I imagine he would instantly cry foul play if someone made a game in which you hunt down and torture Richard Dawkins.

    N.B. I’m not looking to start a religious debate here. I think people are perfectly entitled to not believe in God. I don’t agree, but then, that’s the outcome of human individuality. 😉

  177. Twin-Skies ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As a practicing Catholic I personally have nothing atheists – some of my friends are, and they’re pretty good folks. When they start acting like obnoxious, flame-war inducing, know-it-all twats, however (much like some religious fundies I know), that’s when I think they’ve stepping out of bounds. Seriously, the game’s concept sounds…tasteless. Was the author trying to express some sort of meaningful message, or just bored?

  178. Rabidkeebler ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wow, quite possibly the stupidest thing ever. NB4 Shitstorm indeed.  I’m not aethiest, I’m christian.  But this reeks of some guy just wanting to make waves, not give aethiests a voice.  Lots of other ways to do a game against the idea of creation other than just killing the people who created the stories.

  179. L42yB says:

    I think that going back in time and destroying all the "founders" of religion would just result in different people spawning different religions… 

    But also on the topic of Islamic tradition disapproving of depictions of Muhammed, South Park have taken the piss out of this topic TWICE now and have had no real threats from the Islamic Community.

    In Season 5 the episode titled "Super Best Friends" show Muhammed as a super hero (along with Jesus and Budda and a few others) in order to stop David Blane’s cult.

    In Season 10 the 2 part episode titled "Cartoon Wars" also makes fun of Islams offence of showing an image of Muhammed (although Muhammed is only shown as a censored black square in this episode).

    Since niether of these instances showed Muhammed or the Islamic religion in a bad light, neither of them caused any real fuss.  I think that in the story you linked (at the BBC site) the main issue was the Muhammed was being depicted as a terrorist with a bomb for a turban…

    Of course, being able to go back in time and "behead Muhammed" is not going to endear the creator of this game to the Islamic community at all…  I just wanted to point out that less extreme cases where Muhammed has been depicted did not seem to cause much fuss.

    — mostly harmless

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