E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that non-Christians Condemned to Hell

June 3, 2008 -

When the Entertainment Software Association announced on May 19th that Texas Governor Rick Perry would deliver the keynote address at E3 2008, GamePolitics was one of the few news outlets to publicly question the ESA's decision.

We expect more raised eyebrows over Perry's selection given yesterday's reports on Wired and The Escapist that in November, 2006 Perry affirmed the comments of controversial minister John Hagee that non-Christians are condemned to Hell.

In the photo at left, Perry is seen covering his face while Hagee preaches.

Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, recently rejected Hagee's endorsement over, as CNN reported, "Hagee's comments that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy."

As the Dallas Morning News reported on November 6, 2006:

Gov. Rick Perry, after a God and country sermon attended by dozens of political candidates Sunday, said that he agreed with the minister that non-Christians will be condemned to hell.

 

"In my faith, that's what it says, and I'm a believer of that," the governor said.

 

...Asked afterward at a political rally whether he agreed with Mr. Hagee, the governor said he didn't hear anything that he would take exception to. He said that he believes in the inerrancy of the Bible and that those who don't accept Jesus as their savior will go to hell.
GP: While there are surely many Christians among E3 attendess, there are just as surely many who aren't. Aside from the fact that Perry was a bizarre keynote choice from the get-go, his divisive comments indicate that the ESA should rescind the offer.
 
We have to ask again: why is E3 2008 being politicized? The answer, we suspect, has much to do with embattled ESA boss Michael Gallagher.
 
UPDATE: The ESA went ballistic over this story and called GP's objectivity into question, given the ECA's ownership of the site. Here's part of what the ESA had to say:
 
If the ESA posted a blog and called it a news site, journalists would rightfully balk and it wouldn't pass a smell test. Remarkably, GamePolitics doesn't face the same scrutiny even though it's funded by the ECA and tainted with anti-ESA vitriol. At the end of the day, calling GamePolitics a news site is as laughable as saying there's a Cuban free press.
 

 Ouch.

Despite the ESA's reaction, I stand by what I wrote regarding the appropriateness - or lack thereof - of having Gov. Perry deliver the E3 keynote. However, I am making one edit to the headline. While Gov. Perry agreed with Rev. Hagee's contention that non-Christians would be condemned to Hell, it does not appear to be a direct quote. That error has been fixed.


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Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

 

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So...ESA's defense of their keynote speaker choice was...an attack on your credibility?

Well I'm convinced!

(off-topic: Plenty of Christians would be offended by the whole "non-Christians go to hell" comment. As it turns out, there are multiple sects of Christianity, each with its own teachings; some even teach that no human knows the afterlife status of another human being! I imagine Perry does not belong to such a sect, but you never know--most people know jack all about their religion.)

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I hope I'm not too late but where exactly in the Bible does it say that all atheists shall go to hell?

 

The commandment says though shall have no god before me and if we treat all gods on the same level we treat the tooth fairy I don't think that qualifys.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

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The Bible does not say that all atheists will go to hell.  The language is much more universal than that. 

First, there is the idea that the sin problem is universal.  All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.  There is none righteous, no not one.  All are without excuse.  (These concepts are clear in Romans chapters 1-3.) 

It is important to note that "sin" here isn't so much a religious word as it is a relationship word.  Jesus says that all of the law and prophets (spiritual writings) can be summed up in the following:  Love the Lord your God with all you heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor (others) as you love yourself.  Love is a relationship word, not a religious one, and "sin" actually comes from an archery term that means to fall short of a target.  In other words, sin is falling short of the target of loving God and others.

At one point or another in our lives, all of us has been unloving toward another.  Sometimes this is in what we do or say.  Sometimes it is in what we don't do or say.  Because He is just, God confronts us on this point.  It is human nature for use to make excuses for ourselves or to otherwise gloss over or minimize what we've done.  It is human nature for us to compare ourselves to others and tell ourselves that we're not so bad.  But God holds us to a higher standard, His own.

God cannot simply ignore what we've done, but He loves us and doesn't want to see us suffer the natural spiritual consequences (eternal isolation from God and others) of our deeds.  Because God is merciful, He provides a solution in the form of Jesus Christ.  Jesus came to earth and met God's standard for love.  Even when subjected to hate, torture, and death, Jesus treated everyone around him with love.  So God poured out all of his justice for the wrong that we've done on an innocent Jesus.  Jesus bears our guilt and pays the death penalty for what we've done.  In exchange, all who by faith place their trust in Him are seen by God as bearing His perfect righteousness, not because we deserve it, but because of God's grace.

After Jesus died for us, God raised Him from the dead as a sign that the debt for everyone's unloving deeds was fully paid. 

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

This is not about punishment.  It is about providing a way for everyone to escape a condemnation that they are already under because of their own deeds and the consequences to those deeds.

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Greetings all,

I, myself, am a Christian and a gamer.  I believe in Christ our Savior and the salvation through his blood.  I believe that only through acceptance of His sacrifice and welcoming Him into my life is the only way into heaven. 

What should be noted is that it is not living "righteously" or being baptized, or participating in communion that will make you saved.  Christians are those who have accepted Jesus as their Savior and thus, been forgiven of sins through his sacrifice.  Thus, those that have not done so are non-Christians and therefore not sactified by the blood of Christ.

Christianity is not about being Catholic or Protestant or Adventist, or even being a Baptist.  It is about the relationship with Christ. 

Forgive the rant above, please.  I feel it is best to get that out in the open, and if it has already been mentioned by other posters I was too lazy to read, I apologize. 

And by the way, if you disagree with me, fine, that is your choice.  God gave us free will, and we should be free to exercise it to find answers on our own.

Please understand that this view is not about condemnation, but acknowledgement that there are people out who have not accepted Christ.  However, it doesn't mean we want them to go to hell.  If that were the case, the quote would say something like "Non-Christians will go to hell, AND GOOD RIDDANCE!"  Instead I bet it was used as a call to go out and witness to those who may not be saved.

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Assuming that anyone really does give a rats ass about or know who the speaker is, I have no idea why they would pick him, he would obviously be a bad choice if there were non Christains such as Hindus, Jews, or Bhuddists( and others) in the audience although I really don't think anyone would remember what he said years ago and plus it does say in the bible that shit does happen, even to good people, the whole debate over mentally handicapped kids is quite a sensitive subject, sorrry for going off topic there.

I really don't see why they're at a outrage over this, its true that he said that shit out loud but the Bible does says it happens, they should just kick all religious folks if they find that shocking, just bring in the atheists or something.

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Pushing through the smokescreen, what this is really about is that Gallagher has found a nice fat pocketbook that he can bleed dry of cash (note the ESA's recent past: closing their most effective legal office, then doubling the lobbying budget while at the same time halving their lobbying efforts), and in the meantime also funnel some money to another political parasite.  Too bad the game companies don't want to go on the record about what they've seen.

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I rarely comment on this site ... maybe never ... but what the heck does it matter if the governer believes the strict interruptation of the bible?

If he believe non-christians are going to hell, what of it? If you believe differently that's your right. 

What erks me is the hypocrisy of the entire PC / Liberal Left gang.  They preach (yes preach) that everyone needs to accept / tolerate everyone else ... yet they are the most unaccepting group of people out there. They simply will not accept anybody who doesn't believe / behave / act like they do ... all in the name of tolerance.  As I said ... hyprocrites the entire lot of them.

It's time for the PC group to stop QQ'ing and start being "tolerant" of other peoples views / beliefs / behaviors ... even if that means accepting somebody that doesn't accept your views.  After all, isn't that what tolerance / acceptance is all about? Since when did it have to be quid-pro-quo?

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"hyprocrites the entire lot of them."  Welcome to the land of ironic bigotry...

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I have to say this - This really is not as big of deal as either side makes it out to be. To be honest, I find this not interesting at all. First and formost - E3 has been off the radar of most gamers and even industry members since they did that idiotic move to kill the shows, exibits, etc. and go just with a private expo. With that, it really doesn't matter if E3 is "politicized" or not.

As for the speaker and who he backs - woop-de-fucking-do. If anybody has read the King James Bible, it pretty much says in no unclear terms that is the Terms of Service and EULA of the game of Life. Granted, it is the same morons that believe that the Earth is 5,000 years old, dinos coexisted with people, and that science is wrong by their interpretations of said book. Still, the whole uproar about the pastor I think is totally uncalled for and is more of a publicity stunt than anything else. I think the ESA needs to get its head out of its ass and get its act strait.

For this site, sorry but right now gamepolitics doesn't hold as much punch or weight as other sites like 1-up or slashdot. However, I am confident that is only temporary and in time will gain credibility. Still, while the oppinions are held with some merrit, I think this is really just not noteworthy since:

 

1) E3 isn't the powerhouse once was.

2) The ESA is falling apart from the inside out.

3) The controvercy over this whole debacle is noteworthy over what the pastor said. The fact the Governor agreed to ONE statement the pastor said and it wasn't even the controvercial statement is not. Period.

4) A person's belief system should be respected, not ridiculed. Doesn't matter what you believe in.

 

To conclude, I feel this is a laugh since I can't see what the big deal is. Now if the ESA said they were getting Jack Thompson as the keynote speaker for E3, then yes definitely that would be cause for a ruckus... either that or proof somebody lost their marbles.

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Christianity-bashing is the latest juvenile fad in attention whoring.

Funny, though, how sensitive everyone is to being called a fag, dyke, homo, queer, faggot, nigger, wetback, redskin, slant-eye, honky, cracker, dot-head, chink, frog, muffin eater, jigaboo, porch monkey, or beaner.

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Was there any point to your being offensive?

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Is there any point to all of the offensive anti-Christianity rants and jeers?

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The "rants and jeers" your refer to are in context - your diatrube wasn't. Please go away.

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So the context is "we're talking about someone with Christian beliefs, so feel free to bash Christianity"?

In that case, you're a total douchebag who should embrace my differing opinion and include it in your bottomless agenda of digusting liberal "tolerance".

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The funny thing about this is that even among "Christians", there is disagreement about who is "reallY" a Christian. The Catholic Church used to say that "Outside the Church there is no salvation" (Vatican II and its tendency toward ecumenism has de-emphasized this dictum). And we all know that Fundies say that anyone who is not a "Bible-Believing Christian" (meaning anyone else who does not agree with them) is NOT a Christian (including Catholics and most other Protestants) are going to hell. So you actually get into another fight if you bring up the subject of who is "Christian". It really depends on who you are asking.

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I have to admit that I am shocked by all of this hoopla.  I think the entire discussion is appalling and without merit.

The idea that Christians believe that non-believers and those who have not embraced Jesus Christ as their savior will be condemned to eternal punishment is certainly not a new concept.  Most Christian denominations believe this in one way shape or form.  It's also a primary motivating factor for mission work and spreading the "faith" to all corners.  No one likes the idea of anyone going to hell.  Certainly not Christians.

But the issue is that its not just Christians who believe things like this.  Most religions hold certain teachings true that would certainly offend others.  This has been repeated time and time again over the course of this long discussion thread here on this website.  The fact of the matter is that this is nothing new.

To reiterate, THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

It certainly does not impede the individual’s morals, abilities, or judgments.  It certainly does shape the personality and character of the individual.  But if the man is an elected official, than it appears that it has affected him positively or he would likely not be in his position.  All of this is basically sensationalism aimed at creating prejudice against the said individual.  This would be true regardless of what religion he would be referring to.

I'm also very appalled that GP would buy into this sensationalism.  I understand that its Dennis's blog, but I really thought that he was above this kind of pettiness.  I have regarded him as a very rational and impartial person up to this point, but the tone of this particular article calls that into question for me.

Again, I am shocked and appalled that this discussion is even taking place.  One of the values that we hold true as Americans is religious freedom.  That alone should make this whole argument a waste of time.

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"It certainly does not impede the individual’s morals, abilities, or judgments"

That's a pretty bold claim, and hardly an objective one. How on earth can you back that up?

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Shocked and appalled!


 

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@GP + GP commenters:

I adore you - the above records an excellent discussion with fantastic points on both sides. Well-written arguments like some of the above make me proud to be an informed gamer.

Also, this:

"I'm sure that to a Christian, atheist beliefs appear weird/evil. While certainly loads of people may hold a view, it doesn't make it any less extreme. It makes me wonder when a Christian looks at me, does he think, "ah yes, an eternity of suffering and fire awaits him." I don't really care what faith you claim to profess, that sort of thinking is just plain rude"

However legitimate people feel their metaphysical beliefs to be, is it not best that they're kept personal when in public office, simply for fear of alienating people? Tact and respect for others ought to be applied universally.

As has been said above, if Perry's sentiment had been expressed by a Muslim speaker, I doubt there would be quite so many impartial defendents of their position.

Plus, last time I checked, this is still Dennis' blog so he can post whatever the hell he likes, as far as I'm concerned.

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"However legitimate people feel their metaphysical beliefs to be, is it not best that they're kept personal when in public office, simply for fear of alienating people? Tact and respect for others ought to be applied universally."

That's kind of impossible. In this case, it's not like Rick Perry was going around preaching on the street. A reporter asked him a question, and he answered. I mean, I suppose he could have said ignored the question, but why should he have to?

You say tack and respect to others should be applied universally. Shouldn't that apply to respect for people's beliefs too, at least to an extent? The ironic thing is, it's often Christians who are criticised for being intolerant and disrespectful of other beliefs.

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"You say tack and respect to others should be applied universally. Shouldn't that apply to respect for people's beliefs too, at least to an extent? The ironic thing is, it's often Christians who are criticised for being intolerant and disrespectful of other beliefs."

Firstly, that's not irony - it's hypocrisy.

Secondly, my point is that these things should be kept personal, IMHO. Why do we even need to know about people's personal religious beliefs? Does Perry really feel all that comfortable about sharing such personal beliefs? When asked the question, shouldn't he have just said something along the lines of, "that's my personal life about which you're inquiring and with respect I would prefer it to remain private, as it has no bearing on my public policies"??

The fact is, if you're in a minorty religion/creed then it behooves you to not make a fuss, but if you subscribe to a majority one then it's okay to be proud about it. Such double-standards are the real irony (historically speaking).

 

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(Years of Chan'ing have regretfully made my "sarcasm" meter go off all the time, but I'll repress it =D)

I notice alot of people going on about how him being christian does not matter at all, and that we should not evaluate if he's fit for something based on it. And just so we're clear I agree. I don't really mind if a politician is a muslim, hindu, jew, christian, atheist, agnostic etc. as long as he seems to be able to seperate his faith from his function in an official capacity, so to speak. That would mean doing possibly unchristian things in an official capacity because they are the "right" things. Am I making any sense? Being guided by ones faith is fundementally discriminant against those that do not hold that faith, and this applies to atheists as well. If, say, a politician makes a decision BECAUSE he's an atheist, then I think the reasoning for it is wrong or flawed.

An example: "Lets send aid to a nation in distress" This is a noble cause, but if you add "because they are gods children and must be saved from the lake of fire" I find it perverts the whole deal. Sure, they still get their aid but to me it's the right thing for the wrong reason (again, the same goes for atheists). Officials should operate with the best interests of "humankind" in mind. Not just their race, party or church.

This is an example to try to explain my position on Perry's open christian ideals. It's not that those ideals are neccessarily destructive or anything it's just that I think that operating politically with religious motivation is a perversion of function, no matter your views.

That being said, whether it makes him an unfit keynote speaker is ambiguous. I'd want to know his motivation for being there. Is it to save us from the fire? Is it to promote the industry? Is it to advertise his personalized brand of dental floss?

We just don't know (so lets wait until, eh?)

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Christians of America -

We have tolerated this atheist blasphemy too long.

It is time we rise up and kill these heathens with the merciful wrath of Jesus.

Halleluja!

Oh, thank you Lord!

Lock & Load!

Amen!

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I commented only one other time on this, but in light of recent developments, I felt I should comment once more.

I hate to say it, but this story does give a bit of a black eye to the site, if only because the headline was initially inaccurate.  The ESA's jabs don't help much either, and in fact gives this site's other leading critic, namely Jack Thompson, more ammuntion in furthering the perception that this site is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the ECA - which it isn't, really.  But still, that perception is there.  And perception, as they say, is reality.

When Jack Thompson and the ESA can agree on something, it's a bad day indeed.

However, JT maintains that the ECA is somehow affiliated with the industry, which it isn't.  In truth, that's what the ESA is, really.

And really, what's here does reinforce this site's impartiality, at least as far as its allegiances are concerned (The religious aspect in this has been beaten to death.  The only thing further I'll say on that is that we've been so used to relgious-types bashing video games at this point - again, no thanks to JT - that we can't help but assume that any other high-profile person who has ties to right-wing Christianity will automatically be anti-gaming).  To paraphrase what Dennis had said with regards to an earlier story, when you've managed to anger both Jack Thompson and the ESA, you know you're playing it straight down the middle.

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I look forward to the keynote speech: "Jesus Cries When You Mod Your Console".

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Take Perry's and Hagee's remarks. Replace all occurrences of the word "Christian" with "Muslim" and see how offensive they are--mostly to exactly the same people who currently excuse them as inoffensive.

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You're at least the second person to say something like that, but honestly, it wouldn't affect me at all. I can't speak for others, but if something similar was said by a Muslim politican, I wouldn't be offended.

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Why is it that you can generally tell if someone is a Christian just by looking at them?  How do they do that shiny thing with their eyes? 

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Since there's been no mention of what he's going to say and since his background seems to indicate he won't have anything to say I think it's natural that eyes start to wander to his background and personal life. I expect that if he had several DUI's and had been arrested at a male strip club trying to solicit illegal services, then that would have been brought up.

I think it might also be a reactionary report since lately anything that combines religion with computer games will be to slam the games industry.

I agree that a persons personal views on the universe may have no impact on their ability to give a proper keynote speech in any given event. However it is becoming less and less accepted for someone to profess their belief of anything and if one does it is easy for someone to consider it to be extreme. I suppose this is mainly directed at the christian posters, but some find Rick Perry's views to be very extreme in comparison to their own. His world view, to an atheist, may appear truly twisted as I'm sure that to a christian, atheist beliefs appear weird/evil. While certainly loads of people may hold a view it doesn't make it any less extreme. It makes me wonder when a christian looks at me, does he think "Ah yes, an eternity of suffering and fire awaits him". I don't really care what faith you claim to profess, that sort of thinking is just plain rude, and abit demented (flame on!)

Lets imagine someone like Richard Dawkins giving the keynote speech at E3, and him being there not in his capacity as a scholar but "apparently" there as an Atheist (capital A intended). It would certainly raise a few eyebrows among christians and atheists alike.

All that aside, I myself give praise to the Norse Gods of the frozen north and laugh at your silly monotheistic and atheistic beliefs. I shall go to the halls of Valhalla, feast, drink and fight and be reborn each day my wounds healed. When Ragnarök (end of days) comes I'll be there with the other Einherjar and Gods of legend battling trolls and Titans 'till the fate of the universe is decided. Hands down just the best sounding afterlife of them all. =D

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 So you're basically saying that a person shouldn't keynote E3... because of their religious beliefs.

Ah, yes, tolerance at work.

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Dennis, you need to learn the difference between "How you see FIT" and "How you see IT".

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Rick Perry is a proven tool.

I, for one, am willing to 'march into hell for a heavenly cause' (from Man of La Mancha), such as getting all these fundamentally flawed, evolution-denying idiots out of political office and back on their knees praying in their closets where they belong.

Forcibly.

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Now *that's* some serious, intolerant hate-mongering. 

If you had stuck with getting people with whom you disagree on religious issues out of political office, we might have been able to give you the benefit of doubt and suppose you were talking about using your right to vote.  But your "forcibly" at the end makes that difficult. 

So please clarify for me:

- Do you really have it in for freedom of religion?

- Do you really believe that someone who believes that God created the universe should be automatically precluded from holding public office?

And just so you know, there is actually quite a wide range of belief among Christians regarding evolution.  (Incidentally, there is also a wide range of belief among Evolutionists regarding evolution.)  Some Christians hold to a six-day creation period.  Some believe that God used evolution to create life.  Some believe that God front-loaded the first life forms so that they would diversify through random change and natural selection.  Some even hold to common descent.  Many believe in micro-evolutionary processes while rejecting macro-evolution.

Is it really not plainly obvious who the uninformed and intolerant party is here?

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 Given that in Cuba the press is *not* owned by giant for-profit conglomerates, there might actually be some "freedom" in it, just not the kind those conglomerates appreciate. Just thought I'd point that out, and too bad I won't be at E3, I could have thrown a few nice fluffy vegan cream pies otherwise...

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His religion or religious views have nothing to do with him being a keynote speaker at E3.  A lot of Christians believe Jesus is the only way to salvation, probably because of John 14:6 in which Jesus says,"I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one can come to the father except through me." 

But that doesn't matter.  Rick Perry is the governor of a state that's home to a lot of game companies, and has been pro-video games for years.  He is at least as qualified as any other governor to speak at E3. He's not coming there to preach.

The fact that Athiests believe that when my family and friends die there will be nothing and they will cease to exist is a concept I disagree with.  I don't dislike them for their belief, however, because it doesn't affect me or how I live my life.  By the same token, Athiests and other religions shouldn't let Christian beliefs about heaven and hell distress them because of two things...1) Christians also want to save everyone they can from such a fate, and wish it on no one, and 2) You don't believe in it, so it doesn't matter to you. 

It's ridiculous that we've become so "politically correct" that we can't even have beliefs we disagree with anymore.  I defend his right to believe wherever he wants as long as it doesn't result in harm or discrimination against others.

 

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As a Texan, I'm pretty sure Perry's religious beliefs do, in fact, have an effect on his politics, and therefore do affect me and my family. I don't consider myself an athiest, and I think this scrutiny is absolutely warranted. If he's there for a political reason, his politics- and religious views, when they affect his politics- matter.

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CougMerrik i see were you are coming from ( i voted for this d-bag) but his religion should be irrelavant because of the seperation of church and state ( the reason why we settled in america)

... and he should not associate with such a right wing bigot...... and don't forget it is not for humans to say who will and

will not go to heaven.

 

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IF the ESA doesn't want criticism, then stop siding with the RIAA, AND stop treating the people who keep your pockets full, IE customers, like shit!!!

Seriously, the ESA doesn't protect their members, shows how much they care by adhering to draconian copyright laws,  allow the  use of computer destroying DRM, punish those who just wish to play legally purchased  foreign  games on their systems, which is generally impossible without modding the system. Oh, I"m sorry, if you own a mod chip, you're a pirate, no exceptions.

And despite all this, they don't expect critcism?

Please.

-kurisu7885

What's God got to do with it?

While I think it's fair and relevant to question Rick Perry's qualifications to speak at a game-industr event, but it's just not right to call him out on his religious beliefs. 

What if the keynote speaker was islamic, or atheist?  Should that be an issue in deciding whether he should speak at E3?

The game industry's relationship with most politicians has been contentious, at best.  Having a Governer speak at E3 presents an opportunity to legitimize the industry in the eyes of other politicians.  I think this was a bold choice (or gamble, perhaps) for the ESA.  It could go horribly wrong, but it's still an intriguing choice.

 

 

 

Re: What's God got to do with it?

 If  they had made a similar comment (e.g. All non- muslims will go to hell, All believers are idiots ) then absoulutly the n shouldn't speak. Regarding wether or not it is relevant, well, would you be comfortable with Fred Phelps speaking at your high school graduation? Even if he stayed ''on message'' , and didn't say anything offensive?Didn't think so. 

Re: What's God got to do with it?

 So we need to start checking everyone's religious backgrounds at the door then, right?

America... quickly becoming a safe haven for everyone but who it was originally intended to be a safe haven for.

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

Dennis, this has so little to do with politics, it's disgusting.

I suppose that since Rick Perry is a keynote speaker at E3, that means we can talk about what he eats for breakfast, where his kids go to school, how loud he snores, etc.

Come on.

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

So are gluttons....back away from the table once in a while Hagee for crying out loud...

Titus 1:12-16

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

Seriously we do not need the ESA anymore it's about as useless as the UN.

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

Well, I'm a little late to the party, and everything I want to say has been said, but I'll put my 2 cents just to show how dissapointed I am in this article:

Saying that certain people will go to hell is no more hateful than saying "Smokers will get lung cancer" or "People who cheat on their taxes will end up in jail".  From the perspective of someone who believes in the literal truth of the Bible it is a simple statement of fact.  Its not a radical fringe belief.  Its what countless (even if not all) Christians have helf true for hundreds of years.  Rather, the belief that you can change the way the universe works just by choosing to believe something different is a fairly new, and somewhat bizarre, development in religion.

Even the stuff about the Holocaust is an unavoidable conclusion from the perspective of most religions.  If you believe in an all-powerful god, then you must believe that he could have the stopped the holocaust.  If you believe in a wise, all-knowing god, then you must beleive that he had a good reason for not stopping it.  Once you've gone that far, any reason that doesn't involve God hating the Jews is pretty charitable, really.

As a staunch atheist, I think these all these beliefs are absurd.  However, I fully support anyone's right to believe them and profess those beliefs as it is gauranteed in the our Canadian Bill of Rights and your US Constitution.

However, like many others here, I fail to see the connection this has with videogames or Perry's qualification to speak about them.  The suggestion that Perry's religion is more important to this issue than his stance on videogames is easily the most bigotted thing about this whole story.  You wonder why the ECA is politicizing E3, and yet you offer no concrete reason why you are "religionizing" their decision.  You are supposed to cover the intersection of games and politics but you seem to be standing on the corner of politics and religion with games nowhere in sight.

 

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

I too am a Christian, and I also agree with the self-described staunch atheist.  I'm not the least bit offended that he thinks my beliefs are absurd, and I bet he isn't particulary offended that I think his beliefs are absurd.  I'm quite sure that neither of us are hatemongers for supporting our own particular belief systems.

See how that works?

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

 As a Christian, I agree with your position completely.

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

You know what?  If the Keynote speech doesn't focus on gaming now, the ESA are going to look pretty bloody stupid, doubly so for trying to call out the ECA for complaining about Perry's relevence.

I for one shall be listening for soundbites and quotes with interest.  Were all ears Perry.  Tell us about gaming.

Re: E3 Keynote Speaker Backed Controversial Pastor's Claim that

that guy's a moron, Hitler was trying to wipe the jews off the face of the earth, not get them to flee back to Israel.

 
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