Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

June 9, 2008 -

Sunday's Boston Globe offers a fascinating interview with Oregon psychiatrist - and GamePolitics reader - Dr. Jerald Block, who specializes in treating online game addiction.

Block believes that "Internet Addiction" should be recognized as an official diagnosis.

From the story:

[Block] believes that psychiatry needs to do a lot of catching up in order to understand why people get stuck in games like Warcraft. One problem: Most therapists have no idea what a "guild" is or what it means to hit Level 60. Because of this language barrier, many gamers wind up begging for help in online support groups rather than seeking out mental health professionals.

Interestingly, Block said that addicted gamers feel worse about their habit than those addicted to pornography:

BLOCK: ...the computer gamers tend to be harder to treat. People feel a lot of shame around computer games. Whereas, it's socially acceptable to have a porn problem.

IDEAS: You can't be serious. You mean your clients are more ashamed of ...

BLOCK: ...playing World of Warcraft than looking at porn. Yes.

IDEAS: Why?

BLOCK: As a society we understand that porn is something people do, and you can see a psychiatrist and get treated for it. But gaming is hard to describe to anyone else. So these people can't explain their situation to friends. In fact, it's hard to give you an example of what my clients talk about, because gaming is enormously complicated.

Block has also studied the relationship between violent games and school shootings, but believes the issue is complex and enmeshed in the shooters' "relationship" with their PCs:

With these shooters, their last act was to turn against their own computers. As a psychiatrist, I think that's relevant.

 


Comments

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

I am addicted to WoW and I am not ashamed of it. It's better than being a pornography addict or a drug addict. Moreover, this addiction of mine will never need an addiction treatment. After all it's everyone's resonsability to manage with it.

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I'm addicted to WoW. I have no job.

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I think with a lot of things in today's society, one has to really understand the viewpoint, perspective of something, to really understand it. So, I think that Psychiatrists and Thereapists alike learning and understanding more about 'gaming addictions' for their patients is for the best.

I personally, think that I have a fairly good look on all angles here. I am a WoW player myself, a proud one in fact. Just hit lvl 60, working on getting my epic mount. However, I am also a Psychology major in college come September, and hope to become a Psychiatrist myself some day. So in a way, I, and others in the same situation as I, may know more about this topic in general than the ones trying to 'help' with the addictions.

There are undeniable similarities between Gaming and Porn, which could lead to the users of each feeling ashamed. Both Gaming and watching Porn can be definied as 'fun' for the user, each end with the user feeling better than before, can lead to others not really approving, can have addicting qualites; and yes, may lead to the users feeling ashamed because of those similarities. Nevertheless, no matter how similar or different these two may be, I think it is unfair to look at each and classify them as being 'bad' or 'good.' There can be good and/or bad to them both; neither of them are simply just Bad or Good. What I'm saying is, it's not WoW or your favorite porn site to be blamed here, it's the users themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the users, the people using either of these, are performing some morally wrong act to be punished for - I'm just saying that, if something has begun with them, it needs to end with them.

If they began playing WoW and developed an addiction, the only way to stop that addiction is by helping stop them, not stopping WoW.

If they begin watching Porn and develop an addiction, the only way to break the addiction is by breaking down their addict-based habits, not breaking down every pornographic website.

And the best way to do so would be to start trying to better understand that person with the addiction, find out why they became addicted in the first place, see it from their perspective.

The same could be said with a drug addict or alcoholic, couldn't it? You find someone high or drunk out of their mind and you want to help them out of it, you bring them to rehab, not try to destroy every ounce of the drug or alcohol out in the world. It's been tried before, and never been successful.

All I'm saying is, Psychiatrists, therapists, hell, all of society, should stop blaming Porn/WoW and taking their anger out on it for what's happening with their loved ones, and just focus on their loved ones.

To quote another doctor from a popular TV show: "I'm pretty sure that if they took off Porn from the internet, there'd only be one website left, and it'd be called 'Bring Back the Porn!'" And I'm pretty sure the same could be said for WoW, and all other forms of gaming.

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wasnt there some sad people that starved their kids less than a year ago because they were too addicted to WOW? people get so lost  in games they cant focus on reality.

and to first commenter you many have good points not letting MINORS play violent games without PARENTS knowing however you are going about it the wrong way. look where it has gotten you. you are going to lose your job and lively hood. How do you plan to support your family and children then?

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In my fair opinion, WoW addiction is kinda like an excuse to use. It's not a real medical diagnose. Like any other game, you can stop playing it. Hell I used to be a WoW player myself, and I thought it was an addiction but came to the realization that...."I'm paying $15 a month to play this shit. Screw it." And this is coming from a 16 year-old gamer. 

I mean WoW is a good game but no one is "addicted" in the defination sense. And I think I would have more shame with porn addiction than WoW addiction. I mean with what you can be labelled nowadays with the things you like to do on your free time.

 

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Gambling addiction is a real medical diagnosis. How is WoW any different?

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the whole subscription thing is the sole reason I never played WoW in the first place and I agree, porn addiction is more shameful than gaming addiction, what with all the fetishes and some of the mainstream stuff that should be labeled as fetish. I'm not going any further

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Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

I don't necessarily think WoW addicts feel more shame than porn addicts, in fact, i see no shame in enjoying either hobby. 

However, i certainly agree that someone can become hopelessly addicted to WoW, and have seen my own marriage fall apart when my wife became more comfortable living her life as a BElf Mage in Azeroth than being a wife to me; she would shush me if i spoke at the same time as her guildmates on Ventrilo, regardless of the importance of the topic.  I'd listen to her talk about her day in great detail on Vent, after i'd asked her when she got home how her day was, and got an, "okay".

She now lives in another state with one of her guild mates.

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Man, I was more ashamed of playing WoW because I didn't spend like 1700 hours in front of my computer looking at porn over the course of a year.

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Hey, Dennis!  Yes, I still do read your blog.  You do a great job.

Just thought I would clarify one thing from the Boston Globe interview.  It has been my experience that people will often come to therapy asking for help with their porn compulsions.  They still feel shame talking about it but they recognize spending 3+ hours a day looking at porn can be a serious issue.  Often, the porn use has got them into trouble with work or relationships.  So they are there to address it and, to do so, they must talk about it.  Their explicit goal in seeking treatment is to reduce or stop accessing porn.

The computer game use is entirely different.  People may be getting in trouble -- missing school, work, messing up relationships.  But they enjoy the gaming and they rarely want to stop or reduce use.  So they avoid talking about it.  Almost always there is some other diagnosis to address (major depression, anxiety disorder, ADHD, etc.) so the time is spent talking about and attributing problems to that; the gaming is not discussed. 

Moreover, even if they want to discuss it, gaming is hard to talk about.  When verbalized, it is difficult for all concerned to understand why it is so compelling.   Try to describe the experience of a shamen running around in Azeroth, disappointed with the dps of some other characters you are gaming with and...well...words seem to belittle the experience.  That, in part, is experienced through shame.

I could go on but the take home is, then, that patients (especially adults) rarely talk about their gaming unless their therapist specifically asks about it.  And most therapists know squat about the topic.  So the psychologist/MD either don't ask or don't understand and the problem is never identified.

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As a gamer, this comment sort of sums it up for me more than the actual information in the interview.

Personally, I started playing MMOs because I'm a Sailor and it's the simplest way to spend time with my family while I'm being toted around the world. Now I play not only for my family, but because no matter where I get shipped off to next, I'll always be able to pull out my laptop and my online friends will be right there: no need to meet a new set of people every year or two and try to fit in with a brand new crowd. It's an entirely different world I can get completely lost in for just a few hours of the day, where my brain is so engaged that I don't have to worry about everything that did or will happen at work that week.

Could I do other things? Yea, sure. I'm a mid-20s, attractive female, and I love kayaking, hiking, and reading, and I'm a whiz with Microsoft networking. But WoW is like that blankey I had when I was 5 years old, washed so many times it has holes in it. And I know a lot of other sailors feel the same way. (Heck, my Chief called me into his office on pretense that he was pissed at me just to tell me that he started playing World of Warcraft and totally understood why I loved it so much).

But as much fun as the game is, I never talk about it at work. It's Taboo. Not because the game is so complex--you fight monsters, you gain levels, you meet new people, not too hard to understand--but rather because the general population doesn't understand why I personally play the game, and even if I explained it... it's like seeing a picture and being in the place the picture was taken in. You just have to be there to fully comprehend it. So it's kind of disheartening for people who've never played an MMO to giggle, or you meet someone new and they say, "Oh, so you're the resident WoW expert!"

That isn't the real shame for me personally, though. My shame comes from knowing what I could be doing if I didn't spend so much time playing a game. In addition to all of the experience the Navy has given me with computers, I could be handy enough with programming to code my own simple games. I could also have a CISSP if I took the three or four months to study for the test! How could I spend so much time on a game that I give all of that up? Is it really worth it?

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I can sort of understand his point about how MMO addicts may feel more ashamed about their addiction/association with gaming than perhaps other "mainstream" addictions. I don't mean to emphasize that other addictions are less important or less destructive, as all addictions would cause shame. Like the psychiatrist said, there are not as many support groups out there to deal with MMO addictions or people who can understand gamer terminology, culture, etc, so it takes more effort for the counsellor to understand their patient. There's also the western world's perception that videogames are for kids that may affect how some MMO addicts have the perception that a videogame addiction can be more "shameful" than that of say drugs or alcohol. Drugs, alcohol, gambling are more mainstream addictions and have support with studies about bad childhood, abuse in the family, etc etc (whether they are true or not can be debatable, but they are there). There are many support groups who understand their problems and can help them with these. Lost a job, school, family to WoW? You're labeled as a creepy retard who needs to "grow up." People just seem more accepting to alcohol/drug addicts due to the way it is portrayed in the media nowadays.

Even for those who don't have a problem with gaming, MMOs, I bet there have been more than a few times when you sat around discussing issues in-game related that made people around you look at you with the "what a total dork" stare so prevalent among those not familiar with gaming culture.

I'm not here to argue about whether it is a true addiction or not. Heck, I'm not even stating that MMOs are the cause for addiction. I'm stating that for those who feel that their gaming IS a problem and wish to get out of it/control it, there are many hurdles and stigmas that they have to bridge with their family, friends, and peers in order to get help.

/end rant

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Hello, my name is Deckerbot and...and...I'm a lvl 70 human rouge!

*sob*

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

I never really thought much of shame involving playing Warcraft. Granted, I took alot of jokes, and a lot of heat from my friends because of it.  But it wasn't till I joined my current guild did I meet people in real embarresment over playing the game.  Like a mage who lied to his friends that he had to go visit relatives one weekend instead of telling them he was going to go raid, which was met by the other guild members with acclaims of "Nothing wrong with that." "I should use that one." and "I would die if my friends found out I played WoW".

I don't know if it was just the college I was in, but it was just a given amongst my collective social group that we all watched porn.  Heck, at one time someone had speculated at starting a Porn Club on campus.  But people I knew were actively offended and quite upset with myself and the few others that started playing WoW.

I myself have never felt any shame because I know it takes a back seat to real life, and I have a girlfriend who gets it because she has her nights were she is commited to Dungeons & Dragons the same way I am to raid nights.  But just from the social aspects I can see how someone could be ashamed of playing WoW, and depending on where you fall on the demographic, even moreso than porn.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

what about people who play on RP servers? aren't they basically getting "porn" and WoW at the same time?

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This is the 3rd news story i've seen about this guy including a piece in the local Alt. Weekly.  The guy is a hack.  He's trying to push his views about addiction onto mainstream psychoanalysis.  Most of his patients have some other problem that they are dealing with, be it depression, OCD, skitzophrena and are using the internet to self medicate.

His focus on WOW, and the media focus on wow in particular is stupid.  It ignores real problems that stem from other forms of internet abuse and instead places the blame on a game that frequently encourages people to stop playing and take a break.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Solution: get smut afficionados to start looking at WoW porn.  That way, their analysts can bridge the gap!

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Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Just so you guys know, in psycho speak, addiction and the requirement for a diagnosis according to the DSM basically says, and I'm paraphrasing, that it has to significantly impair social and occupational functioning.

This is an extremely subjective definition, but when you are speaking of pathology and actual mental disorders, that's how it is defined.

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So...let me get this straight; somehow it's more socially acceptable to be wanking-off in front of your computer to Naughty Nurses Part VIII than it is to be playing WoW or Gears of War?  That wearing my Doom 3, ECA or WoW T-shirts proclaiming the fact that I'm a gamer would more likely raise a red flag and be a cause for social stigma than if I told people that I have a few friends who are internet porn stars?

See, I always thought it was the other way around, as I thought being a gamer was somehow more benign and morally acceptable.  I'll have to remember that next time I'm in a conversation with my family, that I shouldn't talk about WoW or whatever game I'm into or the latest LAN party I attended, but that it's OK to talk about my friend's latest girl-girl video shoot with the double-ended dildo.

I thought Dr. Block might have been on to something in his piece about school shooters and their relationship with video games and why their behaivoral pattern is always consistent (i.e. killing a bunch of people and  then ultimately themselves).  But with this I think he's off base really stretching it.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Did you actually read the article? Cause i tihnk you have completely missed the point.

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I just did.  And while I'm glad he says it shouldn't be called an "addiction" and that language has kind of locked him and other professionals into it and that the general understanding of such things needs to be broadened, as it is right now such language brings with it certain connotations that are going to be difficult to overcome for a while.  I was trying to somewhat sarcastically illustrate that in my post.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

The top level is 70, not 60 and it's been 70 for a while now. While I agree that people need to understand more about these things I also want the people looking at them to have a clue about what's going on.

If you plan to 'treat' these people you need to understand their addiction.

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One thing I have to comment on. I doubt VERY much that people are more ashamed to play World of Warcraft than to watch porn. How could you prove this via some sort of official looking study? Gather ten people and split them into five groups. Send both into a public place and tell them to scream at the top of their lungs: "I play World of Warcraft." While they say that, the other group screams: "I watch porn!" See how many of each group chickens out. Also @nightwng2000 "And the same can be said of playing video games. Society has decided that someone who plays video games for x amount of time, even if they have contact with others online, must be "bad". It isn't BECAUSE they play video games for x amount of time that makes some individuals repressed or depressed. It's because they are avoiding the abuse of SOCIETY. " Q F T I was made out to be a social pariah long before I ever owned a playstation. Video games don't cause social avoidant behaviors. People who are socially avoidant choose video games as a past-time. There was a shut-in at my home town who's only friend was the library director. As a special arrangement, the librarian would deliver a bag of books to this person's house and take the old bag back to the library. Did anyone blame books on this person's inability to face people? Noooooooooooo.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Can I scream both? LOL

I come from a line of thinking where I am not ashamed of anything I do. In fact, the only time I apologize or feel sorry for anything I've done is when it affects other people in a negative fashion. Other than that, WoW, Gaming, Porn, Sex, Alchohol.. its all natural and nobody should be ashamed of it.

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Are you a shrink? How many people have you treated for a mental disorder? 

You are deluding yourself if you think games (books, movies, creative writing, or god knows how many other things) can’t take a normally social person and turn them into a bit of a hermit. You also can’t have been around people much.

Sex also sells to a large chunk of the American population. As much as part of the population screams about how much filth there is in the media, it’s there, and it’s not going anywhere, some people just haven’t accepted it yet. It is also very easy to believe that a person can talk about porn addiction more than they can talk about a game addiction.

I’ve got 2 groups I hang around with at my college, one group consists of a fairly liberal bunch, the other group is a campus ministry I am part of. One group has people discussing their favorite porn stars; the other group has people talking about how they finally stopped looking at porn and how much better life was after that. There are some MMO players (Mostly WoW) in each group, if they start talking about the game to each other both groups react in a similar way. “We are socializing, don’t talk about WoW in public” and “Hey, you may play WoW, but normal people don’t”.

The guy in the article also brings up another point. More people can relate to someone with a porn addiction. It is easier for someone to talk about it because other people, even an outsider can understand the basic issues because some of the stuff you see in pornography doesn’t have to be sought out, it’s just there. A person with a game addiction, not so much, are your parents going to even comprehend half the stuff you say if you talk to them? Will a shrink? Will your Pastor? Will your Teacher? Will your (Insert mentor or respected authority figure here)? In many cases No. That is his point.

 

I’m also a bit confused as to how your story about the shut in has anything to do with this guy’s statement. The guy was a shut in and someone in your town was a nice person who brought him books to read.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

The problem with your method is whether it would relate to addiction. No one cares if you watched porn or play WoW. People would readily admit their addiction online, like Dr. Block had pointed, but doing it in person is a far different story.

I would agree with you about the escape from the abuse of society, but I also agree with nightwng2000 of stereotyping from society because the shame of addiction is as complicated as the affliction. So calm down.

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Oh heck, thats what I get for being in a hurry. Sorry about the wall-o-text. Lrn2Preview. >_<

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There is a great deal of misconception here.  And it stems from the acceptance of stereotypes in society.

Society, or certainly a large, loud, and even at times abusive, segment of society, have created negative views of groups of individuals.

Then, when individuals within that group attempt to avoid being abused because they are members of that group, the opposing side of society uses that as a claim that those "hiding" must actually being confirming that that the "victim" agrees that their activity is "bad" in some way.

It's not just porn or various video games that spawn this.

Long since has the argument been made that homosexuals hide in the closet because they, supposedly, know what their sexuality entails must be "bad".  Moreover, many professionals link homosexuality with a natural depressive state.  Claims are always being made that to be homosexual is to be more prone to acts such as suicide.

The fact is, it isn't because one IS homosexual that they hide or are prone to depression.  It's because the group has a high rate of various forms of abuse.  Abuse victims, regardless of WHY they are abused, tend to be shy, repressed, depressed, and have a high incidence of suicide, among other things.    But for some "professionals", the link has been claimed only to certain situations, such as homosexuality.

The same is true of porn.  Society decided that anyone interested in such material must be "bad" or have mental problems.  The fact is, it is SOCIETY that actually creates an abusive situation, driving, through abuse of various kinds, individuals who like porn into a repressed or even depressed state.

And the same can be said of playing video games.  Society has decided that someone who plays video games for x amount of time, even if they have contact with others online, must be "bad".  It isn't BECAUSE they play video games for x amount of time that makes some individuals repressed or depressed.  It's because they are avoiding the abuse of SOCIETY. 

We need to be looking at the reality and complexity of the individuals involved instead of comparing them to the dictates of an abusive society..

 

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Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

 

Hey GP, what's with the current trend to 'sex everything up'? Is editorial putting pressure on you or something? In the article, Dr Block says:

We do ourselves a disservice when we use the word "addiction." It is loaded with all sorts of meanings. That's why I tend to use the term "pathological computer use" instead. I hate the term "Internet addiction."

If you read the article, how come you use the term in the headline and in the article? Sorry to GP bash, but I really appreciate your journalistic integrity and hate to see it slip so.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

I'd say he used it for the same reasons the shrink uses it.

"BLOCK: I'm locked into this vocabulary. That's the term everyone uses and understands. I'd love to get rid of it."

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Dr. Block has to use it because he is withing a certain professional sphere - this blog, game politics, is not. GP is one of the few outlets in a position to effect this kind of change. He said:

I'd love to get rid of it.

The main reason that he can't is because he's a professional. People reporting it are not, as far as I know, locked into any such thing.

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You also have to take in to account what the players are adicted(for lack of a better term) to.  My bro has a bit of OCD.  He played hours upon hours until he got he full set of gear.  After that it was maybe 5-10 hours a week, and that was just to hang out with his guild mates. 

Also you've got the awesome power angle.  Do you really think I'd be playing WoW if I could shoot fire & lightning from my hands?  Its almost superheroian in nature.  By day Dave a mild mannered, middle-mangement slub, but at night he becomes Thrognar Slayer of Demons. 

Not to mention real life doesn't have an /ignore function.

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There is some truth to that. I don't like to advertise my gaming habit, it tends to bias people fairly quickly; more often then not, I don't bring it up if it's not relevant. I don't know that I'd call it SHAME though.  Shame implies that I'm doing something wrong. My porn is buried somewhat carefully in my closet.  My games cover half the hallway. To me, it's really just a path-of-least-resistance kind of thing. I suppose it probably is an addiction, but the simple truth is it's not one I'm trying to break.  At least for the time being.

"Even if it was online gaming that somehow inspired him to kill his parents, he must have realised at some point that they wouldn't drop any good loot." - GP member, Doomsong

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The term "addiction" is extremely problematic and needs to be defined.  To Block's credit, he does say in the article that he disagrees with the term and offers instead, "pathological computer use."

Problematic game play does exist, however, it is likely more rare than is generally considered.  Often, a person falls into an addiction when the substance or behavior fills a certain unmet need.  I think that, unfortunately, people assume that "lack of social skills" are always that associated with that need in problematic gaming so this contributes to the stigma that GDRobotUs describes above. 

Games can be excellent.  They're a vehicle for art, learning, and even benefits in social skills in some cases.  But sometimes they do artificially fill functions associated with mastery, control, or even a person's identity, among other things that if not developed well can lead to problematic playing. 

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It is a problem, but to qualify it as an official diagnosis? Crazy. Anything can be addictive, just need proper moderation for your recreation. Also, I don't think most addicts would feel ashamed, it's just a silly stigma for playing games longer than what is probably viable w/o risking your job or love life. Some people mix their social life into their game addiction, which isn't necessarily detrimental.

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 This is the same man who said the reason the Columbine shootings (an act which the BASE requirement is an absence of empathy) occurred was because they were GROUNDED FROM PLAYING DOOM
I agree that MMO addiction is a problem, but it is NOT the same as being addicted to porn.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

Where did he say that they were the same thing?

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An interesting thought regarding the addiction, I wonder if it boils down also, in part, to the stereotype attached to MMO addicts and computer geeks in general, that if you admit that you are hooked on something like WoW, that a whole pile of assumptions are going to be made about you by the phsychologist themselves. The Media generally paints a pretty awful picture of 'geeks' and 'MMO Players', and nobody wants to associate themselves with that image.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone has suffered in silence because of some kind of social stigma attached to the problem.

Re: Shrink: WoW Addicts Feel More Shame Than Porn Addicts

I agree with your statement. I think that you might have brought up a more interesting point.

 
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Sleaker@AE - exclusives do not a console business make.09/01/2014 - 8:03pm
Papa MidnightI find it disappointing that, despite the presence of a snopes article and multiple articles countering it, people are still spreading a fake news story about a "SWATter" being sentenced to X (because the number seems to keep changing) years in prison.09/01/2014 - 5:08pm
Papa MidnightAnd resulting in PC gaming continuing to be held back by developer habits09/01/2014 - 5:07pm
Papa MidnightI find it disappointing that the current gen of consoles is representative of 2009-2010 in PC gaming, and will be the bar by which games are released over the next 8 years - resulting in more years of poor PC ports (if they're ever ported)09/01/2014 - 5:06pm
Andrew EisenMeanwhile, 6 of Wii U's top 12 are exclusive: Mario 3D World, Nintendo Land, Pikmin 3, Mario Kart 8, Wonderful 101, and ZombiU. (Wind Waker HD is on the list too but I didn't count it.)09/01/2014 - 4:36pm
Andrew EisenLikewise, only two of Xbox One's top 12 are exclusive: Dead Rising 3 and Ryse: Son of Rome (if you ignore a PC release later this year).09/01/2014 - 4:34pm
Andrew EisenNot to disrespect the current gen of consoles but I find it telling that of the "12 Best Games For The PS4" (per Kotaku), only two are exclusive to the system: Infamous: Second Son and Resogun.09/01/2014 - 4:30pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/09/01/beyond-two-souls-ps4-trophies-emerge-directors-cut-reported/ MMM MMM, nothing quire like reheated last gen games to make you appreciate the 400 bucks you spent on a new console.09/01/2014 - 4:24pm
Andrew EisenThat's actually a super depressing thought, that a bunch of retweeters are taking that pic as an illustration of the actual issue instead of an example of a complete misunderstanding of it.09/01/2014 - 4:20pm
Andrew EisenObviously, the picture was created by someone who doesn't understand what the issue actually is (or, possibly, someone trying to satire said misunderstanding).09/01/2014 - 4:10pm
Papa MidnightPeople fear and attack what they do not understand.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
Papa MidnightWell, let's not forget. Someone held their hand in a peace sign a few weeks ago and people started claiming it was a gang sign. Or a police chief displayed the hand signal of their fraternity and was accused of the same.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
SleakerEither people don't understand that what the picture is saying is true, or the picture was created out of a misunderstanding of what sexism is.09/01/2014 - 3:52pm
Sleaker@AE ok yah that's where the kind of confusion I'm getting. Your tweet can be taken to mean two different things.09/01/2014 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - No. No, not even remotely. The pic attached to my tweet was not made by me; it's not a statement I'm making. It's an illustration of the complete misunderstanding of the issue my tweet is referring to.09/01/2014 - 3:13pm
Papa MidnightIn other news, Netflix states why it paid Comcast: http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/technology/netflix-comcast/index.html?hpt=hp_t209/01/2014 - 3:10pm
 

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