BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

July 7, 2008 -

As the British government begins to take action based on the Tanya Byron Review, game content ratings are increasingly under the spotlight.

In recent weeks the battle between the British Board of Film Classification (which wants to expand its mandate to handle additional gaming content) and the Pan-European Game Information system (which seems to be preferred by the UK game industry.

BBFC head David Cooke has aired his side of the argument to the Times:

[Game industry critics who say that BBFC couldn't handle the increased workload] are absolutely wrong. We would have to review another 300 to 500 games every year under the new proposals, and we think we can do that without taking on any new staff at all...

 

The trouble is that it is not clear who PEGI is. Administration is handled by the Dutch film regulator, who subcontracts to a couple of blokes [the Video Standards Council] in Borehamwood.

Cooke also disputed industry claims that adding UK-specific ratings by the BBFC would delay game releases:

I think that is a red herring; Germany and the US have their own systems. Look at what happens in film - there are different cultural sensititives in each country. The French give Tarantino films 12 certificates; I'd be out of a job tomorrow if I did that. But the point is that there is no reason why those cultural differences go to sleep when it comes to games.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

D'Oh! Sorry. Good catch. Not sure how I managed to get my wires so crossed there.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

The Publishers want PEGI, as it is a tick-box exercise they fill in themselves. Not the ideal solution for Consumers perhaps. It is, however, the only agreed European-wide standard, and so must be used to monitor online content.

However, in the UK it is a crime to sell games to sell movies to people who are younger than the age for which the film is certified. This is generally thought to be A Good Thing.

Games are the same, They share the 15 and 18 certificates with film (and will be taking on the existing 12 certificate soon, as recommended by the Byron report). This is also though to be A Good Thing.

PEGI has no legal weight. The BBFC does. This is what is important. This is why the government is using them to regulate the industry. Let's face it, game DO need regulating. They are just as important as film or books or art. If you are afraid of the BBFC banning a game you might want to play, just look at what happened with GTAIV. The BBFC said no, it's appeal body appealed, and oveturned the decision. The system works.

Having built up trust with the British consumer, the BBFC is ideally placed to take care of our industry.

P.S. And let's face it, don't you just want them to stick a "G" for "games" in the title? We'd have the B-BFG-C! :)

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

You mean Manhunt 2, not GTA IV. Also, the point you make about having bulit up trust is vital, and demonstrates just why so many UK citizens want it to remain.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

We would have to review another 300 to 500 games every year under the new proposals, and we think we can do that without taking on any new staff at all...

Surely that means that they currently employ too many people...?

o_O

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

BBFC ftw, 18 for Mass Effect?

PEGI can go swivel.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

You know what would really solve the problem? NO RATINGS. Anything goes lads. Think about it - no matter who's doing the rating, no-one pays any attention to them. 9 year olds can get GTA IV for fuck's sake. I've seen it!

What's the point of information if no-one takes any notice of it?

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

The nanny and infermation nazi groups would cry foul.

I don't mind sloting media to age ranges its the pointless dust up after it that annoys me to know end.

 

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

A lack of ratings allows greater freedom of censorship, however- a system like Cleanflicks in the US is not feasable in the UK as every new edit of a film would require a new rating.

You bring in something like cleanflicks and the problem is solved, to some extent. Kid can only get hold of specially-sanctioned films and Adult can get what he wants from Blockbuster. Everybody wins.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Cleanflicks requires CP licenses and what not its horrifically infective for games so tis a loss better to let local regions list what they don't want minors to see and have stores remove them from displays and place them behind the counter for adults to buy.

Also whats worse full on censorship or censorship that merely slots media to supposed age ranges?
I'd much rather have them do it like that with some wiggle room by the region than something like the BBFC that out rights ban things from being sold in country.

 

 

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK


Germany might could adopt the PEGI if they can can still blacklist games to not be sold "openly" and frankly if we(I iz a dumb amerikin BTW ) can have a stable world rating system that has no power to ban(stabity stabity BBFC) but merely slot media tot ehage range then have a board of old men dictating what can be sold in "public"  IE around minors then most of the world would be able to accept it and then say what must be sold behind the counter to adults only.

I really think the BBFC misses the point on that,  one should not dictate to another adult what they may see unless its a crime but "normal" media and that includes sexual media should be protected.

I think that giving local gov the ability to black list media to limit its display and sale to minors is what the systems need to give enough leeway to both sides.

 

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I think I'd prefer PEGI, on balance- there are no good arguments for the BBFC that can't be applied to PEGI, or at the very least, those that do threaten to encroach on the space that good pro-BBFC arguments might take up are so miniscule as to be irrelevant.

Besides, I know I keep saying this, but the days of ratings boards in the vein of PEGI and the BBFC are very much numbered. User-Generated Content makes them unworkable, and Search Engines make them obsolete. It's time we started to move away from them and towards true parental responsibility.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

No, they aren't unworkable, or obsolete. The whole point of them is to help provide parents with information with to make decisions. Box art and the blurb on the back don't always provide sufficent information to make a decision, and looking it up on the internet isn't always feasible.

-Gray17

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Yes they are, and yes they are.

Are you going to pay the BBFC to rate everything you upload to YouTube? No. If you are, is everybody else? No. If they did, would they be able to watch it all? No. If they could, can they keep on top of every single YouTubealike online, up to and including anything I might set up on myself? No. Therefore: unworkable.

Is the internet- which is feasable nowadays, and is only goig to get more feasable- going to offer up better information than the BBFC can fit into their boxes? Yes. Is it going to offer up different viewpoints that might fit your worldview better? Yes. Therefore: obsolete.

And that's before you get to the issue of kids refused a film of a particular rating just downloading it off some unregulated torrent site.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Yes, but YouTube clips aren't sold at retail in bricks & mortar stores, whereas videogames and movies are. That's a substantial qualitative difference.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

In what way? It's the same content, after all- if Little Johnny is going to magically become a psychopathic killer after watching Hostel on DVD, him watching it on YouTube instead isn't going to have a different effect.

If you want, though, you can extend it to download stores and torrents. Same principle.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Are you suggesting the abolition of movie and DVD rtatings as well, then? I, for one, find ratings a tremendously useful system, even wiothout being a parent.

If you're goping to suggest all ratings should be voluntray, I don't disagree. However, I do wish parents would stop letting their young children play/watch/experience obviously unsuitable content. I mean, how should we keep Hostel or Condemned out of the hands of children?

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Simple. Parents bother to do their jobs, and ratings are no longer needed.

But to answer your main question: Somewhere between the two.

The notion of a central BBFC/PEGI/MPAA/ESRB/CERO/USK/BLAH system is what is obsolete, not necessarily the idea of a ratings system. EDIT: Particuarily if you're working with international sales. The reason we see so few worldwide launches for media is because getting ratings for all countries is a logistical nightmare.

Take the US DVD ratings system- only the majors bother with the MPAA, as it is much too expensive for smaller content providers (for example, anime distributors) who all self rate, (which, BTW, is illegal in the UK) by and large, unless they're planning a major cinema release.

When you extend that to the internet and other video-on-demand, where budgets are even lower both at the production and the retail stage, there's no way in hell even half of the content is going to be rated by any central board of any description- to extend my DVD example, even if the anime distros clubbed together and formed their own ratings board, charging less money than the MPAA does, it's still be out of the reach of amateur filmmakers using PayPal to run a rudimentary download store, and even then this system introduces commercial competition and ratings will tend towards the liberal, for fear of losing custom for giving a work the "wrong" rating, assuming costs don't drop below the sustainable and every ratings system's company goes bust.

Oh- and everyone doesn't just jump to the nearest unregulatable torrent site instead.

This doesn't mean that a retailer can't do their own ratings, or some kind of social ratings system (in the style of Amazon Recommends or last.fm) better suited to the individual. (IMO, this is the best solution)

What we need to do is let go of the sanctioned, "these people make my decisions for me" groups, and we certainly should be getting rid of the laws that support them.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Ratings help parents do their jobs. A game sold at a brick and mortar store can't be played through in its entirety by the parents of the person buying the game, so the rating gives the parents a general clue about what is in the game. Downloadable content is uncontrollable, but that doesn't suddenly mean that brick and mortar will eventually be unrated.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Ratings absolve parents of their jobs, not help.

Besides, what's the point of bricks and mortar being rated when you can just circumvent the rating online? Locking the door is pointless if you're going to leave all the windows open.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Ratings absolve parents of their jobs, not help.

All the parents I've ever seen use the ratings refutes that. It helps them do their job. It lets them know in short order if there's nothing to worry about, or if further investigation is warranted, or if the answer is a flat out no for the time being.

Besides, what's the point of bricks and mortar being rated when you can just circumvent the rating online? Locking the door is pointless if you're going to leave all the windows open.
 

So, according to your logic, since anything can be found online, all ratings should be abandoned forever for all stores be they online or offline.

-Gray17

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

>All the parents I've ever seen use the ratings refutes that. It helps them do their job.

Ask that again of Giselle Pakeerah, who has so far refused to take any responsibility for the games her son played, expecting the retailers and the government to step in. And, for that matter, every parent complaining about their kid playing GTAIV.

>So, according to your logic, since anything can be found online, all ratings should be abandoned forever for all stores be they online or offline.

That's an oversimplification. I'm saying ratings are a waste of time, as the boards who assign them are unworkable and obsolete, thanks to the internet.

That doesn't mean ratings can't or shouldn't exist. They just shouldn't be expected.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Agreed, but if we are to be subjected to irksome ratings systems, I'd prefer they represent the game as it is played, rather than taking the big publishers at their word.

That is the irreduceable difference between the BBFC and PEGI.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Irreducable because, to me at least, it's "so miniscule as to be irrelevant".

It's not strictly practical, unless you want all games to be five minutes long, and if they're only going to play bits of a game, then they may as well just be shown them instead.

While emergent gameplay does make up a great deal of the fun of a lot of games, certainly post-GTAIII, it's not something a developer can truly plan for, and not something they should be penalised for by a ratings board.

Even then, however, this difference is not something that can't be changed.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

You speak as though it's impossible, however it already occurs for every game the BBFC rate.

For example, GTA IV (18) or Mass Effect (12). I understand that in other territories, Mass Effect and GTA IV are rated equally. That seems a bit bizarre to me, hence my gratitude for the current system. I certainly know which game I'd rather encourage younger gamers to play.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

1/ Are the BBFC playing them all through in their entirety? Oblivion must have been a right fucker if they are.
2/ If they aren't, why is that better than just watching a video of gameplay?
3/ Why is this something PEGI cannot do? Remember, that's can not, not does not.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I don't disagree with your points one bit, not least becuase I;m in no position to answer your second query. If PEGI adopted the BBBFC's rating method and their symbols, then I think there would be less of a case for keeping BBFC.

After all, a ratings system maintained by large corporations with vested interests and one that's beholden to governement and the press (the ultimate difference between PEGI and the BBFC) is not much of a choice at all.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

That's not really much of a difference- if the government are in a position to make the final choice of board (which, since we're having this discussion, they are) then either board is beholden to the government and the press- and since the BBFC is pretty much run by the film industry, having PEGI run by the games industry is neither here nor there- if anything, PEGI throws up fewer conflicts of interest than the BBFC does with games it is not rating a competing medium.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

The board of the BBFC is not put there by the UK government. Saying the BBFC is enthralled to the film industry is FUD. Come on, prove it. Money where your mouth is.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Under the Video Recordings Act of 1984, all recordings must be classified by an authority chosen by the Secretary Of State For Culture, Media and Sport.

Therefore, an agent (the Secretary Of State) of a part of the government (the Dept. of Culture, Media and Sport) gets to pick the ratings board.

So far, they've exclusively picked the BBFC, but are well within the law to ditch them and pick somebody else for any reason. EDIT: It's worth me pointing out that PEGI would be in the same position if PEGI were elected as the sole games body.

The Video Recordings Act of 1984 can be read, in full, here: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=1810866

I have also covered the issue of the film industry's influence in an above post, presumably you're the guy who accused me of having my head up my arse. Big words for someone who can't be bothered putting anything intelligent into the debate.

Anyway: Proof, money, mouth. Job done.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

In your previous post, which you refer to above, it seems you take Wikipedia's brief entry over that of the BBFC's own website. I'm afraid that the info presented by the BBFC is far more detailed than Wikipedia's and serves to clarify that the BBFC is as independent from vested interests within the film industry as possible. Furthermnore, your statement "I'd be surprised if the same isn't true of western companies somewhere along the line" is hardly conclusive proof of anything, but rather conjecture. As such, it only serves as FUD in this context.

However, I take on board your point that there is a conflict of interest between those in the manufacturing and servicing sections of the film industry and the creators of videogames. However, I've yet to see any evidence for that in a real world situation.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Germany and the US have their own systems...

Ok, Germany I'll give ya as a fair counterpoint, but it's pretty much a competely different matter for the US. It's a country that's comparable to Europe as a whole, with notably different standards and laws regarding ratings, and is on a different continent. So of course it's going to have it's own seperate system.

-Gray17

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Just checked out the BBFC classifications. PEGI is better.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

If you're Dutch perhaps, but British citizens are already infinitely more familiar with the BBFC's logos and rating system, and it's this recignisability that's one of the reasons that makes the BBFC a superior choice (that and the fact they actually play the games they rate).

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I'm American, and to me it seems simpler to read a number in black than to deal with confusing colors ala BBFC. I say that the ESRB has the best system, but that's not on the table for Europe.

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

The BBFC are on their third set of ratings and logos- the British public can adapt to a new system. /b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

They've remained virtually unchanged for over 25 years. Also, don't underestimate the stupidity and pig-headedness of the British public. If they/we were willing to learn, none of this would be a problem in the first place.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Every major change to the BBFC's ratings system has come about after about twenty or thirty years. Now's as good a time for a shakeup as any. /b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Care to explain how you arrived at that leap of logic? I have to be honest, I'm nowhere near as up to speed with Parliament's capacity for a ratings shake up as you are, evidently.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_film_certificates

The first BBFC ratings appeared in 1913.

In 1932- 19 years later- the first new rating was born.

This was retired in 1951- 19 more years- and replaced by the first compulsary rating.

1982 saw the launch of the first set of ratings to look like the ones we have today, replacing the old ones after 31 years of service. (1970 seeing only a basic font change, like the one in 2002)

It's now 26 years later, and since we're on the subject of the ratings board, we might as well have a look-see to find out if it needs changing.

Which, as far as games are concerned, it does.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I understand the timing, I'm just not convinced that's enough reason to scrap the BBFC (or at least its involvement in games). Especially consdering that the only major players asking for the BBFC to chage are Microsoft and EA and various other publishers - the very kind of agencies the BBFC was set up to regulate in the first place.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

>The only major players asking for the BBFC to chage are Microsoft and EA and various other publishers

AKA The Entire Games Industry, Apart From One Or Two?

Flippancy aside, you can argue that the only people asking for PEGI to change are some random TV personality and a particuarily shouty newspaper with a known history of sensationalism.

The BBFC was set up to regulate the film industry. It was initially set up by the film industry before being adopted by the government. It is run by members of the film industry, for the film industry. There is no reason not to treat games the same way.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I think this is the first instance I've seen on GP.com that has called for differences in the ways movies and games are treated by legislation, or by the public at large.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

Really? What differences am I calling for?

The film industry got to pick its own board, so the games industry should, too.

The film industry got to run it themselves, so the games industry should, too.

The film industry gets a board that understands its art form, so the games industry should, too.

That doesn't mean that the laws that apply to the BBFC can't be extended to PEGI, you understand (although I don't agree with said laws)- just that the games industry should get an equal hand in working out how that goes as the film industry does.

As well as that, this is only the same system the US uses- the film industry has its own ratings board, and the games industry has its own, too.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I'm afraid that you're much mistaken about the BBFC's nature if you think it is a board set up and maintained by movie studios. I'm sure you're visited their website, but just in case, I'd like to dirwect you to the below:

"Its financial affairs are administered by the Council of Management, made up of leading figures from the manufacturing and servicing sections of the film industry. Producers, distributors and exhibitors, it was thought, would be tempted to influence decisions, while manufacturers of equipment only care that the industry continues to thrive, and remains acceptable to the public."

It's this independance that grants the BBFC both its objectivity and its moral authorty (becuase, unfortunately, all calssification decisions are based on morals and emotion, rather than empirical scientific values).

Any number of interviews with the BBFC (there are some on Joystiq, GameSpot and MCV that are worth reading) will demonstrate that their gaming department is run by, surprise surprise, gamers - all of whoml have an intimate understanding of the culture and heritage of videogames as an art form.

Also, to your previous point, nobody is suggesting PEGI should change - just that their level of influence is not increased, or takes the place of the BBFC's exisiting role.

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Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

That's really all the same- the big japanese equipment manufacturers all own or are affiliated with major movie and TV studios, and I'd be surprised if the same isn't true of western companies somewhere along the line- look at the US output of Sony Pictures, for example.

As Wikipedia points out anyway- "The BBFC was established in 1912 as the British Board of Film Censors by the film industry"

The BBFC are about as independent from the film industry as my foot is from my ankle.

/b

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

I think your meaning head up your backside.

 

Re: BBFC vs. PEGI Ratings Tiff Rages on in UK

No, Byron endorsed the BBFC as the primary regulator, with PEGI being utilised in a secondary role. The action plan recomended by the Byron Review is as follows:

"To achieve this, the Review suggests a hybrid classification system in which BBFC logos appear on the front of all games (i.e. 18,15,12,PG and U) while PEGI continue to rate all 3+ and 7+ games. PEGI’s equivalent logos across all age ranges will appear on the back of all boxes".

It was ELSPA who called for PEGI to be the sole regulator and kicked off this whole furore.

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Byron endorsed PEGI, right?

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Neo_DrKefkaAnyone remember that portrait from Resident Evil 1 in the gallery about a Middle Aged man full of worries? Anyone know the name of that portrait?10/31/2014 - 12:45am
MechaTama31Yeah, don't see myself getting a Vita or a PSTV...10/31/2014 - 12:04am
E. Zachary KnightWatch Ultron ruin all your Disney childhood memories in this How The Ultron Teaser Should Have Ended. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra1sBRLRFtc10/30/2014 - 9:23pm
ZippyDSMleeConster:they finally made a working worth while PSP emulator.10/30/2014 - 8:10pm
quiknkoldMechatama31, you can get VC2 on the Vita and Vita TV. you have to buy it through PSN on PS3 and transfer it to vita and then playstation tv. I have it on my PS TV and it works10/30/2014 - 7:15pm
MechaTama31I loved Valkyria Chronicles. Still super cheesed off that the sequels were PSP-only... :/10/30/2014 - 6:57pm
ConsterI played Steamworld Dig on the 3DS, and it's pretty fun.10/30/2014 - 6:51pm
Matthew WilsonRECOMMENDED: OS: Windows 7 Processor: Intel Core2 Duo @ 2.8GHz (or equivalent) Memory: 3 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (or equivalent) Hard Drive: 25 GB available space10/30/2014 - 5:49pm
Matthew Wilsonhere hare the system requirements. make of ithem what you will. MINIMUM: OS: Windows Vista/Windows 7 Processor: Intel Core2 Duo @ 2.0GHz (or equivalent) Memory: 2 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 240 (or equivalent) Hard Drive: 25 GB available spa10/30/2014 - 5:48pm
Andrew EisenStill a game I really want to play. Hope it's a solid port.10/30/2014 - 5:42pm
Matthew WilsonValkyria Chronicles pc port needs 25ggb. not bad exept this game came out in 08 on the ps3.10/30/2014 - 4:56pm
james_fudgeEZK: my sarcasm senses are tingling ;)10/30/2014 - 4:21pm
Andrew EisenIf it's any consolation, Xbox owners, Wii U owners don't get the game at all. And if we did, we'd probably never get the DLC.10/30/2014 - 4:19pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://kotaku.com/destinys-new-dlc-kinda-screws-over-xbox-players-1652294153 Sucks when the shoe's on the other foot, huh.10/30/2014 - 4:12pm
E. Zachary KnightSo a vocational school in Oklahoma is being evacuated because someone found a briefcase in the bathroom. Imagine that. A briefcase ina school. That's unpossible.10/30/2014 - 3:33pm
prh99Also, Nintendo wants to watch you sleep..for Science! (*in best Cave Johnson voice) http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/10/nintendo-wants-to-watch-you-sleep-for-science/10/30/2014 - 2:47pm
prh99I got it in a Humble Bundle, it's ok but the hype is definitely over blown. Also, only being able dig in the four cardinal directions made for some irksome digging..10/30/2014 - 2:38pm
E. Zachary KnightI enjoyed it. It was very short, but rewarding and fun.10/30/2014 - 2:35pm
Andrew EisenAgainst my better judgement (game looks boring to me), I purchased Steamworld Dig. It's highly praised and it was on sale. Hopefully I'll be wrong about it and think it's as awesome as everyone else.10/30/2014 - 2:09pm
quiknkoldhttp://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/10/femme-doms-of-videogames-bayonetta-doesnt-care-if.html10/30/2014 - 1:15pm
 

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