Mad World for Wii Sure to Make Game Violence Critics See Red
Mad World for Wii Sure to Make Game Violence Critics See Red
July 17, 2008
Ars Technica is reporting on Mad World, an in-development title for the Wii that is being shown in behind-closed-doors media briefings at E3.
From Ars writer Ben Kuchera's report:
Splashes of color hit the screen when you disembowel your enemies with any number of weapons, and we're told the chainsaw is going to be in the character's standard loadout. The character is competing on a game show where you have to murder as many people as you can in an urban environment to win...
Everything about the game is a celebration of violence, a wicked dance of gore. The Wiimote controls look to be very functional, with movements giving you both environmental and weapon-specific finishing moves...
GP: Thanks to comment mod E. Zachary Knight for the heads-up...
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Oh swell.
More blood and guts. I don't mind violent games, but I see games like this to be more of a red cape. They expect to make sales based off of controvercy. I had heard a little about the game, but didn't realize what it was.
The problem is that even if the game sucks and no one plays it, the media will still have a field day. There was another game like this last year that the media made a big stink about but gamers didn't buy because it sucked. I can't remember what the game is now. Any help?
25 to life?
I might be thinking of Manhunt 2. Whatever it was, it had a very low Metacritic score and only average sales, probably because of the media circus. However, as I stated below, some of the groups that have been working on this aren't slouches, so it may actually be a decent game.
That's one of them. There were quite a few that were as well. I belive Crackdown, N.A.R.C. (the new one), Saint's row, etc.
There's no real shortage where the only sales were from contoversy.
Excuse me, Crackdown is one of my favorite 360 games and while missions got somewhat repetitive it was fun as hell and has the best DLC on the market, no horse armor here. No controvercy that I know of, one of the big reasons it sold was the Halo 3 beta
Well, the thing is, this game is being done by Platinum Games, so don't expect it to suck.
Who is Platinum Games? Well, when Capcom let go of Clover Studio they became the developer Seeds and then changed the name to Platinum Games. So if the guys behind Viewtiful Joe, Okami, and God Hand want to create a violent game, let them. They are not doing it for the sales, and they've hardly made any missteps in their developing career (God Hand got mixed reviews, but I really enjoyed it for it's challenge).
I mean, one of the creators of Resident Evil is working on this game fer cryin out loud.
Wait a minute these were the guys that made Okami...
That's really all I needed to know.
When is this game coming out?!!
Sounds to me like Smash TV. That was a fun game relaly.
Cue Jack Thompson decrying this as a murder simulator in 3...2...1...
Isn't this technically what a murder simulator would be? Not that I'm against it, but you are murdering people. It is a game focused on solely killing others.
TO be a simulator you woudl nicce likt 20 attahcments for the Wiimote ot make it a near perfect replica of said weapon.
So then it's a murder-game? I might rent it, idk. There are times when I do want to just have fun killing or doing whatever I want in a game, so this could be used as a vent just like the Torture Game (I didn't even know about it till I saw the news about it)
I think that is exactly what this kind of game is for: venting. Can't do stuff like this in the real world (and wouldn't want to), but it is fine and actually relaxing.
That's not really fair. People consider The Sims a "life simulator" yet they don't have 20 attachments or a perfect replica of a stove.
Running man anyone? Seriously it's been done before in movie form, but it's not okay for adults to play it? Oh, I know, I know...kids will get a hold of it. Well, let's just ban every adult thing. Cigerettes, oh wait you're working on that already. Alcohol, ah, right that didn't stick. I guess if we can get violent games banned from adults (and be like Austrila--poor guys) we can aim for the porn and music next! I doubt we'll ever go after movies, but who knows! MAYBE!
I was thinking most along the lines of Smash TV, sinc,e well ,that was a video game, which was inspired by Running man.
Mad World has had a number of favorable previews since it was shown off at an event a few months ago along with Infitine Line for the DS and a game for the xbox360 and PS3 whose name escapes me.
Mad World for the wii is based on a sin city artstyle with over the top violence in a Running Man story motiff. The artstyle helps make the game stand out and plays to the wiis strengths while not showing the limitations. This artstyle would likely never appear in an xbox 360 or PS3 game but be easily expected and done on the Wii.
The commentary will be in the game since once again it's based on a Running Man motiff. It's a tv show think satire of violent tv and how society wants to watch it. It's not violence for the sake of violence. There is a method to the madness and an actual story behind the tv show.
Also they looked at Hellboy for main character design along with Western Graphic Novels such as Sin City.
The game comes out early next year and looks to use the wiimote additions to combat that No More Heroes had in it. It's also got a lot of the Godhand combat style to it since members of the Godhand team are working on it.
Platnium Games is largely comprised of ex clover staff and the offical website is out already.
The games release in Japan is undetermined but if it is released it will likely be rated Z equilvant to an AO and only sold when asked for. No advertising but unlike an AO the store will stock it they just don't have it on the shelf. Z-rating isn't the kiss of death but it's close and it's usually only applied to games of GTA or Manhunt violence while AO is typically slapped for sex acts or nudity which doesn't get a peep of outrage in Japan while violence especially decapitations does.
OK, Clover did Okami, so maybe this isn't a Red Cape. Maybe it will be a good game. All I've seen about it is the thumbnailed screen shots, and I haven't read any more of it then what is in this article.
It would be great if they could make an epic game that was violent. Something to poitn to and say, if you banned violent games, then this great game would have been banned as well, asn look at what we would miss out on.
I read this and had a good laugh. This just seems like controversy for controversy's sake.
I do like the art direction. I like different looking games.
Don't have much desire for the gameplay though.
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Kind of reminds me of Smash TV too, but it's been a while since I played so I don't remember the "plot."
The media will eat this up, like previous poster said, even if sales are low. The Today Show alone at 2 "danger danger video games!" stories this morning. (Truth be told the half of one I caught wasn't too negative. The guest stressed parental involvement, she's an advocate for safety on the internet but isn't too knowledgable on games, I should know, I used to work for her :P)
Pay attention to the PR comments on this game. They are all very careful to label the violence as cartoonish and funny. They're aware of the potential controversy and are trying to get a jump on it.
On a personal note, I love the style and think the game looks like a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to playing it.
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As soon as I saw the style, I thought "neat". It's not often you see art directors experimenting with what else cell shading can do other than horrible skin tones...
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http://wii.ign.com/articles/874/874210p1.html is a preview from May 15th when the first trailer for the game was leaked onto the net. IGN also has a high quality version of the trailer.
From the preview:
"Mad World is made up of two concepts," says Nishikawa. "The first key concept within Mad World is the stark black and white graphics. This is to further emphasize the violence, as represented by the stark red blood. The other key concept is that we didn't want to create a game that was depraved or perverse, but rather, featured comical, over-the-top violence so that anyone could enjoy it." At this, there's more laughter in the audience.
Sounds boring. Aimless ass-whoopery is only entertaining for about an hour. If they can whip out a worthwhile storyline I might give it more credit.
As for controversy, it's bullshit. It's just a game like everything else. Obviously it's closer to this fabled "murder simulator" that imbeciles like David Grossman rant about thanks to it's wii-mote features, but it also would need first person perspective, realistic physics, weapon wieght and recoil, reloading systems for your wii-motes, over-heating, and also an elaborate pain suit that the player could wear. Now who would actually want to play that game?
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I dunno about that though. Once you start expecting story out of this sort of game/media/plotline its only got a few ways to go, I think:
1) John Runningman happily climbs the game ladder and eventually tries to overthrow the event coordinators for being done wrong and leaves.
2) John Runningman resents his participation in climbing the game ladder, and finds a way to overthrow event and leave.
3) John Runningman doesn't care about what happens, and just climbs the game ladder toward the goal of ultimate riches. Multiplayer and arena modes continue gameplay withought breaking the story campaign.
Or this
4) The whole contest was actually a way to find a person suitable enough to stop some Really Powerful Evil Dude (TM). After climbing the game ladder he is then hired to kill the Really Powerful Evil Dude.
Agreed, I mean look at No More Heroes... Now *that* game, while violent, was so cartoony and over the top, and not to mention a whole lot of fun... running around, slashing bad guys with the sword and doing crazy suplex moves... and all the other crazy stuff going on.
If this game is anything like that, it could be very interesting...
The game was first written about by game sites on May 15th. http://wii.ign.com/articles/874/874210p2.html also has links to the first trailer and not the wonky ones leaked out onto to the web but a glorious direct feed one.
From the preview:
"It's a story that we feel will motivate the player to move forward and keep the same comical, over-the-top nature and while we are preparing a very fun and interesting story, we will talk more about that in the future,""
Just what the Wii needs. A public relations nightmare.
Or maybe it DOES need it. It'll help decry the "kiddie system" remarks. I'm torn.
Manhunt 2 all ready gave it a mini public relations nightmare.
Although if they can throw away their kiddy image they won't have any more public relations nightmares.
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I do find it odd that Godfather:Blackhand Edition which you had mimic melee moves especially strangulation wasn't harped upon nor was Scarface:The World Is Yours which had chainsaw motion controlls along with the ability to use motion to flip people off.
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Is that black and white and what looks to be cel-shaded?
Cause if people are complaining about that, then not even Wind Waker is safe anymore.
I am afraid this game might get an AO rating, just like Manhunt 2, after seeing this report and a trailer.
I will repeat, for the benefit of all: A GAME HAS TO HAVE SEXUAL CONTENT TO GET AN AO RATING! VIOLENCE IS NOT ENOUGH. Manhunt 2 had you cutting off a man's genitals. The genitals earned the AO rating.
Actually no. Thrill Kill got an AO rating on violence alone. There is a game that is AO that has only real gambling.
It is possible to get an AO rating on violence alone. It is that most games that get AO have strong sexual themes as well as extreme violence.
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Peak Entertainment Casino stands as the only AO game that doesn't have strong sexual content. One game does not define a rating category, nor has any other game become AO for soley gambling. Thrill Kill seems to be the only game that is AO solely for violence.
It gat the AO rating for REAL gambling. not just gambling. The ESRB has descriptors for simulated gambling and real gambling.
The ESRB has stated and it is on their site that violence alone is enough to warrant an AO rating. AO is not only for porn games. It never has been and never will be. Just because most of the games in that rating have strong sexual content does not mean that all future games in that rating will.
By your own logic, I guess all M rated games are GTA clones and FPSs.
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How on earth is that my logic?
AO is not solely for porn games, but it is clear that excessive violence, realistic or not, is not solely enough to get an AO rating. Remember how some people found ways to un-block the kills in Manhunt 2, and the ESRB mentioned that they knew about the content, and took it into consideration when they issued the M rating? It doesn't really matter what is said, it matters what is done. The ESRB has thus far reserved AO for games with strong sexual content and one excessively violent game. One game indicates an exception, not a rule, no matter what comes from the organizations mouth.
They didn't unblock kills, they unblurred some kills. The worst kills were actually removed completely from the game to get an M rating.
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Just in case I am not completely clear on my point, from the ESRB's website:
ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.
Notice the Bold and Underlined "and/or" that means it could have either or both. It does not mean that it has to have sexual content to get an AO.
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Read above: action and word are not meshing at the ESRB. Read up on Thrill Kill. It stands as the only game rated in the AO category that was rated there for soley violence. Even then, many of the final kills had sexual overtones woven into them. It doesn't matter what the ESRB says, but what it does. What the ESRB is doing is rating games with sexual content as AO. What the ESRB isn't doing is rating games AO based on excessive violence. If over-the-top or realistic violence were all that was necessary to warrent the rating, God of War, with Kratos ripping people in half, forcing minotaurs to eat his swords, and tearing eyes out; Gears of War, with it's chainsaw, dismemberments, and excessive blood and gore; and Manhunt, with realistic violence, excessive blood and gore, and intricate kills, should have all earned AO. All of those games were rated M on their first run through the organization. So, despite the blurb on AO on the organization's, excessive violence is not being rewarded with AO ratings. What is earning the rating is strong sexual content, gambling, and violence with sexual overtones.
So what you are saying, that no game has come to that AO line based on violence alone, so that it must not be possible... Gotcha.
We'll just have to wait and see what is possible. But frankly, there really haven't been too many games rated AO. Certainly not enough to build a real cross section of what really makes an AO game. Any game that has been rated AO lately has been reworked to get an M rating and thus we don't have a sample of why it got an AO rating in the first place.
Most other games that would get an AO rating if rated by the ESRB now a days, simply skip the ESRB because they know they will get it and will not be able to sell the game along side other games.
Maybe some day we will have a real cross section of game samples to build off of, but it won't be soon.
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I did more research on Thrill Kill. You should too. Here. THAT is what you have to do to earn the AO for violence.
I've seen video footage of the game before. I know what kind of game it was. What I am saying is tha tfrom all accounts from teh ESRB, sexual content played no role in its AO rating.
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And what I'm saying is that violent games rated like that are unusual, and that the AO rating is reserved almost exclusively for sexual content. It takes a special kind of over-the-top violence to reach AO, and there is no reason to believe we'll see another Thrill Kill rating.
Why? The only thing that is holding that back is the developers and publishers working to avoid an AO rating. AS soon as people stop villifying the AO rating, you will see more games getting the AO rating for just violence.
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Why? Because that kind of violence usually doesn't fit in with the game being made. Violence and sex thrown in just for the sake of their own existence does not create a good game. It creates a game whose sole gimmick is its focus on being "adult". Fable, for instance, doesn't need sex to show a kid being made, because Fable is not about sex, nor the relationship between you and the wife you might have, but about the adventures you go on. God of War WAS about over the top violence- a warrior getting his revenge on a god for killing his family, and slaughtering everything that got in his way- but that DIDN'T get an M rating because the violence, while over the top, fit in the game and didn't have any kind of sexual component to it. The kind of violence shown in Thrill Kill- pleasure killings, with some moves having extreme sexual overtones- doesn't fit in any game that isn't specifically geared for that kind of violence. Thrill Kill is focused on the spectacle, not the gameplay or story, and the spectacle is not the main concern for most developers.
It's impossible not to villify AO games, for no other reason that because the AO game rating puts a game in the same group as porn. Porn is the only material that is illegal for viewing by anyone in the United States under 18. The AO category exists to sort out games with pornographic content or undertones, like almost every game from the AO list, with the exceptiono of Peak Casinos, from merely over-the-top violent games, such as Manhunt.
I sincerely doubt any game developer would be able to put graphic sex in their games and not have it ruin the game completely. Would Mass Effect have suddenly been improved if you could see the penetration? No. Did San Andreas suddenly become a masterpeice because you could screw your girlfriend? No. The reason is simple, sex has no place in a game focused on its message.
Sex and violence in the vein of Thrill Kill distract the user from the other facets of the game. The gore distracts from the fight. The sex distracts from the story.
I agree that it is really hard to put context into extreme levels of sex and violence. But it is not impossible.
The fact that it is hard to contextualize sex and violence doesn't stop Hollywood from including as much of it as they can. Can you really explain why in the middle of a movie, the two main characters have sex? Not really but it is there.
And who says that you have to contextualize sex and violence? Where is that written? The ESRB does not care about context. They only care about the content.
There are people who like those things out of context as well. They like being able to have sex on a whim and kill people on the next.
I am not saying that I am one of them, but there are people out there that do.
I am also not saying that adding more graphic sex and violence to a game improves it. I in fact, find that kind of juvenile. Frankly I think the whole M rating is a joke.
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I raised the spectre of "hard to contextualize" to illustrate that not many game companies will undertake the task. The reason that two characters in a movie will have sex is because sex is a spectacle, and movies are forced to be visual. Context is less important to a movies story than a game. A game has to balance story, the spectacle, with the interaction, the fun. High levels of sex and violence embrace the spetacle, but bring down the fun, so I doubt that many game companies will even attempt conceptualizing high levels of sex and violence.
I find the M rating a necessary burden. AO sits as a kind of barrier of public opinion. Because AO has become a damning rating, the public begins to see that the games industry is, in fact, attempting to protect the children just like the public percieves a ratings body should. M games are adult oriented games that can be purchased by anybody. AO games are either so offensive or so sexual that the idea children being able to buy them right along side a Spongebob Game offends parents. Any kind of easy access to AO games becomes bad PR, both for game retailers and the companies that publish the game.
The ire towards AO games saves M games, which are still adult oriented, but because they are not pornographic or off the deep end in violence, the public greets these games more warmly. A seperate rating has to exist for pornographic games, or calling the games industry the "porn-for-kids" lobby would have merit. The pornographic portion of AO got extended to include unbelievable and senseless blood, gore, and violence.
In movie ratings terms, AO is X, M is R, T is PG-13, E is PG, and EC is G.
I agree with everything you said here.
The only reason I said that the M rating is a joke, is that people seem to think that that is what adults want. I am an adult and can't stand most if not all M rated games. The level of violence, sexuality, vulgarity etc. just comes accross as juvenile to me. Hardly "adult" oriented.
I would much rather have games geared to adults that portray topics and stories that appeal to my mind and thought process. Granted, I am probably in a minority.
Also, E10 would be PG and E would be G. EC would be like Teletubbies and Sesame Street.
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Actually I seen someone go over the certain betas for Thrill Kill and the retail version got the M rating before getting cancelled and it got the M rating with all the violence still in yet the sexual stuff like the very short thongs that some characters have and and some sexual movements the female characters make.
Possibly not. Manhunt 2 was going for a more realistic violence. This game is trying for a more cartoony over the top violence level. It may make it to M. Kind of like No More Heroes. Think human bodies spraying 5 times their body weight in blood after getting a paper cut.
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If this is just violence for the sake of having violence then I'll pass. I can't stand games based on and defined by their "concept".
"Manhunt 2 was going for a more realistic violence."
Also the series had a history and was already marked plus not getting an AO rating when it had been banned got the ESRB to slap the AO rating.
Thrill Kill was never released and certain of the moves had a sexual overtone plus there were some sexual elements in certain of the little FMV sequences that contributed to the rating.
Not according to the ESRB. From their content descriptors from Thrill Kill:
Animated Blood and Gore,
Animated Violence
Nothing there about sexual content.
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I wonder if the ESRB will ban it from everyone like with Manhunt 2???
The ESRB did not ban anything from anyone. Sony, Nintendo and all the retailers banned it from everyone.
Get it right.
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Well they were fully aware of the consequences of an AO rating, and so far they refuse to get id of it so I think they deserve some of the blame.
No they don't. To them it is a perfectly valid rating that has market potential. It is the rest of the world that doesn't like it.
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I think the critics might have a heart attack when they see this...
"
Animated Blood and Gore,
Animated Violence
Nothing there about sexual content."
Doesn't mean it wasn't a factor. Due to the climate the violence would be the issue they would have publicly put on the label also weren't there lots of stories about thrill killings in the papers at that time? The game could very well have gotten a different rating a year or two year later. Certain times something will get a much higher rating due to political climate. The movie industry has a long history about certain ratings due to what politics were at play.
Getting an AO rating for violence is pretty much an anamoly and seems more due to political climate or history with the game series then getting an objective rating.
Sex is still worse then killing prostitutes in the eyes of the so called moral crusaders.
Well AO for games like manhunt makes sence to me, if AO was not ham strung by the console makers it could be used to properly slot games, putthe extreams ones in AO vill and let the consoles makers merely not apporve porn games, its win for all as far as I am consered.
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To be honest this game looks pretty extreme. not sure I would like to play it, especially with red standing out in the black and white enviroment. Chainsaws in Gears pale in comparison to this. That said I hope the interests stay away from the game.
This really upsets me. Regardless of how good the game is or how fun it is to play (I will defend to the death video games' right to have violent content and I love the original Manhunt) it is games like this that give video games a bad name. Sure, we, as gamers can play games like GTA and talk about how amazing they are graphically, or how innovative they are in their gameplay mechanics or storytelling, but it is not hard to see why non-gamers look at images of these games and only see death and violence because, when you really break it down for a passive observer, that's what it is. It isn't a game, it's more like a snuff film. Mad World looks to be fun (remember Smash TV?) but I have to say that this is pretty poor timing. The game industry has to start taking itself more seriously on the major platforms and in more mainstream releases if they hope to gain credibility with the general non-gaming public, especially in the news media. This is why organizations like Games for Change should be supported and will hopefully gain strength. Unfortunately I can just imagine the marketing nightmare it would be to pitch a game about being homeless in NYC or living with AIDS to EA.
The change you are descibing will never happen in the likes of EA. There is not enough money in it for them to care about it.
This kind of change will happen from small developers and small publishers who want to make a name for themselves more than they want to make a blockbuster hit.
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The reason you aren't going to see alot of games like those and a lot of games with violence as a main gameplay element is because violence is incredibly easy to make interactive. And yes, EA really doesn't give a fuck.
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With dead rising heading for the WII in under 20 months its good to see more adult titles coming out even if they are marketed for the gore and not the gameplay.
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The game's coming for the Wii? When was this announced? That was one of the few games I really wanted on the 360, which is great because now I can finally get it without having to buy another console.
I believe it was announced just before E3. But yes, it is coming to the Wii.
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Scans of the Famitsu issue revealing the port were posted on several sites such as Gonintendo.com
There are quite a few changes from the xbox 360 version. It uses a Resident Evil 4 over the shoulder cam plus motion melee attacks. Camera seems to be taken out and the time limit game style has been removed. Of course things could change but honestly wait for the game to become more clearer they could royally botch the job trying to make the game casual friendly. There is new content such as new bosses but wheter that makes the game worthy of being picked up is another matter.
Godfather:Black Hand Edition, Scarface the World Is Yours, Resident Evil 4 Wii edition, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles as well as quite a few gamecube M rated titles such as Eternal Darkness are worthy of getting to play on the wii.
There is likely a ton of wii games you haven't heard of that fit the Mature label but aren't rated M. Mature rating just means adults are better able and should be able to handle the content in the game not that the game is mature.
More E and T rated games fit that label and a good portion have always been released for the Nintendo systems.
Arc Rise Fantasia, Rune Factory Frontier, De Blob, Deadly Creatures, Mushroom Men. Have you heard about these wii titles? I suspect not.
ya but godfather sucks....
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And they say the Wii has no mature games. Ha!
ya but segas good to bad ratio has been sht sicne..I dunno.....02?........
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I plan to get this, simply because I learned recently that Greg Proops is the narrator/T.V host. Sod the controversy, must have Greg Proops in a game!
Yet another example of developers who can't think of anything to put in a game other than killing. It's getting boring! I mean every game is the same these days.
Okay, I've noticed that quite a few people here seems to be bashing this game and giving that "violence for the sake of violence" nonsense. I just want to say, that this isn't just a game to profit of off controversy. It's being worked on by people of the game industry who have worked on other great titles in the past (Okami, Viewtful Joe)
Mad World has the potential to be a fun game with a twisted sense of humor and an amazing art style. (I enjoy the Sin City look)
Granted, I cannot predict whether or not the game will be great. But I have a lot of faith in Platinum Games
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" Greg Proops is the narrator/T.V host"
He is one of the two. The other two is the guy who does Bender from Futurama and quite a few other voice roles in animes and carttoons. He seems to be doing the Bender voice for his commentary. I suppose it makes sense if you think about it.
This game looks supremely excellent, but I ponder at the possible controversy behind it. If the critics let No More Heroes (another supremely excellent game) or Custer's Revenge (*gags* not so much) slip by without so much as a peep, why the hell should they be allowed to speak up when this hits their radars (even though they have the protected rights to do so)? In my personal opinion, their opinions hold no ground after they blatantly ignored the aforementioned Atari 2600 p.o.c.
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