ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

July 22, 2008 -

Rochester, New York public radio station WXXI reports that a representative of the New York Civil Liberties Union has termed the state's video game bill a "flawed process."

Bob Perry of the NYCLU told WXXI:

This bill was adopted in the last minutes of the legislative session, without hearings, without meaningful debate, without an opportunity for members of the public or industry to address the constitutional issues and the media technology issues implicated by the bill.

NY Metro has additional comments from Perry:

The legislation proposes an ambitious state system regulating the way video games are sold in retail stores and viewed at home based on content that the First Amendment protects from regulation.

Meanwhile, the Empire State News reports that NYCLU executive director Donna Lieberman (left) urged that the bill be vetoed:

New Yorkers do not need the state judging which video games are appropriate and which aren’t. Parents, not government committees, should be responsible for making those judgments. If the legislature wants to reduce youth violence, it should fund educational programs to teach students conflict resolution skills.

Bill sponsor Sen. Andrew Lanza (R) countered with:

This [law] does not prohibit the sale of video games based on ... content. This simply requires a labeling. And at the end of the day if a game is rated mature, or violent, this does not preclude or prohibit someone from selling it to a minor. I wish we could do that, but the First Amendment, I believe, protects against that.

Gov. David Paterson must decide by tomorrow whether to sign the bill into law. The measure, which would require that games be rated and console systems have parental controls built in, passed overwhelmingly in the state legislature.

It is unclear whether or not the video game industry will oppose the New York law if the Governor signs it.


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Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

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The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

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Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

"I wish we could do that, but the First Amendment, I believe, protects against that."

Yeah, damn that pesky Bill of Rights preventing politicians from telling people what they can and can't do.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

I'm curious. We all know that this bill is utterly useless when applied to things like GTA, but what if that isn't the real target? I admit I haven't read the bill, but could it be that it is designed to attack groups that make or distribute things like Super Columbine Massacre? And if so, who will be the target of the punishment? Will it be the game's creator or will NY hold the ESRB responsible for not rating the game?

Anybody know?

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

The bill target's only retailers. The retailers have to make sure that all games they sell are rated by the ESRB. If they are caught selling a game without a rating, they will be fined.

The real victim here are the classic game stores. The stores that sell games from before the ESRB. AS far as I know, the bill make no provision for those games. Thus it would be illegal to sell classic games.

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Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Are you sure about that? People here keep talking about this bill as if it requires ESRB ratings for all games, but the version of the bill that I read (which may be different from the one that was passed) only requires ratings for games that have already received a rating. Therefore, games previously rated by the ESRB would be required to display that rating, but others would not.

It's still wrong, but it's not exactly what people here make it out to be.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

The more I read the bill the more I see it the same way. It makes no sense.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Also makes indie games illegal, sorry little guy that wants to sell your game, you suck go elsewhere.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

It would be the distributors who get nailed.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Mandatory labeling based on constitutionally-protected content is also unconstitutional, Mr. Lanza.

Sponsoring unconstitutional laws should be an impeachable offense.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

To think, I almost MOVED to NYC. *shudder*

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Hey before 9/11 causing all the city people to move to Long Island, Long Island was a pretty peaceful place.  So don't group all of New York with the idiotic politicians who make pointless laws....

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

it should fund educational programs to teach students conflict resolution skills.

Wait? Why isn't that happening? Everyone with common sense says that could help with youth violence. Oh, I almost forgot, politicians don't have common sense.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Funding educational programs could impact our paychecks! This mustn't happen.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

And these bills don't?

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Woah woah woah there is a Lieberman who does not want to ban and censor video games????

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Woo hoo to Ms. Donna Lieberman!  She makes a very good point!  Parents, not the government, should decide what kids can and can not purchase.  It should never be the government's job!  But, of course, someone will call Ms. Lieberman racist due to a similar comment Obama said to the voting community that made Jessie Jackson get his panties in a knot.  (Which wasn't directed just to the African-Americans.  It was also directed to the Caucasians, Hispanics and other minorities/majorities as well.  Calm down, Jessie.)

What I still don't understand about this bill is why enforce something that is ALREADY enforced by the ESRB?  Isn't that sort of like reinventing the wheel?  No matter how many times you try to reinvent (or in this case, enforce...) something, you're going to get the same product in the end!  If parents care to READ the packaging of their consoles, *gasp* parental controls are ALREADY installed, and all you have to do is read the M-A-N-U-A-L to learn how to set it up! 

But then again, this is NYS... and we've been known to pass assinine laws.  I should know, I lived in this dead-end state all my life, to the LEFT of the mountains in a soon-to-be-ghostown city called Buffalo. 

Or, maybe they'll pass this, hoping to get more revenue that'll go to the places that don't need it. 

Ahh, the system works in ways I guess I can't comprehend... Stop spending money you can't afford to spend, NY!! (Ahh, another familiar and over-used phrase I use in my daily life...)

Hey Senator Lanza

So you'd rather spit on the Fifth Amendment instead of the First?

 

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

No matter how redudent this bill is, it should be opposed, leting this by is a step off the slippery sloap

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

The fact that it's redundant SHOULD be the reason it's opposed... it's not like all video games aren't already ESRB rated with labels ten times bigger than movie rating labels anyway... and not transparent to the box art either.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

What I hate more about this bill is that I emailed the senator who is sponsoring this bill and that was mentioned in this article and essentially he replied with a "Thanks for writing" virtual shrugging of his shoulders

 

What ticks me off more is that essentially any idiot can tell that this is a "I save the childrenz from the violentz videoe gamez so vote for me!" bil......nothing more and nothing less.....

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

So does that mean they wont let me sell my Colico Vision in NY anymore?  Also whats up with the Republican saying he believes the first amednemnt protects freedom of speech .... umm are you not sure ... do you not understand the bill of rights (I know good old george doesnt), if so maybe you should resign I mean how can you accept a paycheck to pass laws if you dont understand the basis this country is built on.  That would be like me accepting a paycheck to write code and not know what objects are.

Re: ACLU: NY Video Game Bill Passed by "Flawed Process"

Good golly gee!  Now not only do I have to pay hidiously higher than the average because I live on an island gas prices but now I get to pay taxes for a state that may be passing mentally unsound laws.

The system works............

 
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MattsworknameI'd go into why I think it's a bigger problem then most realize, but nows not the time really. I'll catch up with everyone later07/01/2015 - 9:42am
Andrew EisenThat's the thing though, rarely is anyone (again, other than random numbnuts on Twitter) attempting to dictate what can and cannot be said or done.07/01/2015 - 9:39am
Andrew Eisen"Don't write rape scenes" is being offered as advice (along with reasons for that advice) not a mandate.07/01/2015 - 9:37am
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MattsworknameOne of the things I hate right now is that people are trying to be the deciders of what is and isn't proper to be said. It's political correctness to a level that makes me angry.07/01/2015 - 9:29am
Mattsworknamemake them, i just tell peopel that I think what they did sucked. Just cause I dont like what they did, doesn't mean I can tell them "You shouldn't wrtie that" cause thats just another step on the way to telling them "YOU CANT WRITE THAT".07/01/2015 - 9:24am
MattsworknameNo, but you or I aren't the one to tell someone else what they can or cannot do beyond EXTREMELY narrow limits. Telling a person then shouldn't write something or say something. I may hate certain movies or music, doesn't mean I dont' tell peopel not to07/01/2015 - 9:23am
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E. Zachary KnightSo if it is going to turn out to be a bad scene, why even bother writing it?07/01/2015 - 8:07am
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InfophileIn other words, you stopped when you found out it was arguing for a position you disagreed with, but before you found out why.07/01/2015 - 5:29am
Goth_Skunk"In short, anyone can write a rape scene—but should they? Chances are, the answer is no." And that's where I stopped reading.07/01/2015 - 5:11am
 

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