Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative Expression"

Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative Expression"

July 23, 2008

Want to show off your best GTA IV stunts?

You'd better post it on YouTube since video hosting site Vimeo has decided that it will no longer accept game play footage unless it is of the machinima variety. Currently hosted videos containing "game walk-throughs, game strategy videos, depictions of player vs player battles, raids, fraps," etc. will be deleted on September 1st.

A post on the service's staff blog explains the decision:

The Vimeo staff does not feel that videos which are direct captures of video game play truly constitute "creative expression". Further, such videos may expose Vimeo to liability from the game creator(s), as we have already seen action from popular video game companies against videos such as these... Gaming videos are by nature significantly larger and longer than any other genre on Vimeo...

 

This decision was not easy, and there was much debate internally; however, we feel this decision will benefit Vimeo in the long run and better benefit the video makers it was created for. Our resources are limited and they must be channeled towards maintaining our goals.

 

Negative reaction to the decision is beginning to trickle in. From Spinfocalypse:

The reasons cited seem to be a little contradictory and subjective... “Creative Expression” is not something I’d personally want to touch, because it gets into a social subjectivity issue. A game video for one person may not be ‘creative’ and a ‘lip-dub’ video may not be to another...

 

The second reason cited is the ‘processing time’... This part of Vimeo’s argument is rather weak– and as someone always looking for reliable video hosting– doesn’t give me much faith in the ability of their transcoders or stability of their bandwidth... Game videos can be one second or one hour, the same as traditional video...

 

What’s a bit disturbing about Vimeo’s decision is that a service is taking the role of editorial... Games, gamers, game videos– however you view them– will be forced into a box and segregated because of perceived notions about the space... I know I’ve personally exposed people to ideas and concepts, by way of games, that don’t require anyone to play or have an interest in games. That just won’t be happening on Vimeo anymore.

 

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Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Slow news day.........

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

that's pretty...arbitrary.  I guess I could understand such measures as a bandwidth control or if they were tight for drive space, but these days, who's got a shortage of drive space?  Hell, my home PC alone has probably north of 2 Terra.  Don't mistake me, it's their right to post what they want to post,  but this "not creative expression" excuse smells a little...flimsy to me. 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Small company that no one cares about to begin with being stupid to get some spot light.   I have to agree lip sync singing is not "creative" in my mind its 12 year oldish.  Granted I don't view raid fraps etc as very creative either but I have seen more creativeness come from those videos than a 12 year old lip syncing to opps I did it again.  (Leroy and More Dots More Dots come to mind).

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

What the hell is a Vimeo?

 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Can you put a Vimeo in a bread basket? 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Youtube for trendy people.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Vimeo was cool because it allowed you to host 720p content. Which was great for game footage.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

"as we have already seen action from popular video game companies against videos such as these"

 

Are You Sure?

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

What's a Vimeo?  I'm being serious.  Is that a file format or something?  And why should anyone care?  (I'll assume it's similar to YouTube)

YouTube dropped their movie length to 10 minutes because of video game walkthroughs.  There was rampant crying about that, too.  Guess what kids?  Bandwidth costs money, and your 20 minutes of headshotting newbs in Halo isn't creative.

 

OT: "Why so serious?"

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Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Heretic!  BURN THE HERETIC!

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative
However, it is up to YouTube to cater to its customers, and that includes gamers uploading game walkthroughs.

/b
Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

YouTube dropped the movie length because of people posting full TV shows. NOT walkthroughs.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Pics or it didn't happen.

(I'm sure this also is partially the reason, but the point is the movie length eats bandwidth on the upload, and each person streaming it.  The content is nearly irrelevant.)

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Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Oh, Vimeo...

our stories stand alone no matter the landscape.  We are the creatives wandering the beautiful commercial worlds that become our landscapes.

Through avatar eyes we tell our stories in creative layers over the virtual landscapes where we play. These are the backgrounds of our stories. We express ouselves in our movement, actions and timing.  Our story stands alone as creative expression.  We are still the creative layers of the canvas.  We are; we express; we stand as creatives. 

 

 

 

 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative
>depictions of player vs player battles

So will they be taking down all sport video from Vimeo, then?

/b
There's always GUBA if they still want to upload video too
Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

SO, they have authority to say what is and isn't creative?

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative
Additionally, I'm quite disappointed by some of the comments made by the Vimeo staff, particuarily in the 'Skate' subthread by e-flix- they all come off as very smug and elitist, refusing to see eye-to-eye gamers, almost as if they view them as beneath them, and like games aren't "worthy" of Vimeo's attention.

Certainly if they're going to come out with stuff like "Please use a camera to shoot and edit some non-game originated videos and show us your skills." (dalas verdugo)

A lot of the user posts aren't much better, cetrainly with their use of "YouTube" as an insult, and branding all gamers as immature.

The decision I can deal with, it's their company to do what they want with, but given the way they've handled it I really hope it comes back and bites them on the arse.

/b
Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

By the looks of the site, certainly Vimeo was envision by young, web-savvy people that keep up with social trends in websites. And I would expect a large part of these types to be gamers and therefore see eye-to-eye with them. Name any trendy web development firm or boutique, and you would find someone talking about the Xbox or Wii, and maybe they even have a console set up in the recreation room.

Vimeo's argument is weak, as there are many other things that require as little effort as playing video games and still be creative. I prefer to watch gameplay videos over a bunch of anime music videos that have little imagination in the editing and in the choice of music...

I was actually there a couple days ago watching some gameplay videos in hi-def. I don't know where else I'd have access to that much stuff for free.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Here's what you do:

Turn your walkthroughs into machinimas.

Problem solved.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Now that's creative.  It might be a little hard to do for some games but could be really fun to do.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Where do you draw the line?

I am a big fan of team roomba's video on vimeo, they are the ones that do team fortress 2 griefing for hilerous effect, and while this can hardly be called creative expression its still quality entertainment and bloody funny.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

"...since video hosting site Vimeo..."

Who?

 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

 vimeo its sux if make whis desision !!!

Re: Idiot

You suck for raping the English language.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

if they are worried about being sued they should close up shop as a vid hosting site....

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Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative
Someone NEEDS to start a thread in the somethingawful let's play subforum. This is absolutly huge to LPers. Vimeo was one of the most popular alternatives to youtube for posting Let's plays, and I don't have an account to tell them. This may only affect a small number of people, but those people are basically royally fucked if they used them as their sole provider. This really sucks.
Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative
Nevermind, there already is a thread. I jumped the gun a tad.
Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Vimeo suck! They just dont want their bandwidth/resources used for these videos.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

Nobody is aware of it.  Nobody uses it.  I'd wouldn't be suprised if Vimeo did this on purpose to drum up press for themselves.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

So I go and google this "Vimeo" thing and i find my self asking, "WTF is this Thing?" no really i've seen youtube i've seen a few other sites of the same style. but H*!! Qtube is better and thats for Conservitives.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

God dammit, Vimeo was my favorite video hosting site. It loaded fast and the quality was excellent.

And what did I used to watch on it? These things called "Lets Play!"s, where people would play a game with commentary. They were great to watch, and all the other sites that people used to host either used that terrible DivX player that more often than not doesn't work or a page so full of ads that Firefox would throw a fit.

Dammit Vimeo, that was the only reason I visited your site.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

i wondered when this type of garbage was going to happen. First the hosting companies (inclucing isp's) don't upgrade their networks, then blame it on posters (which is BS.) Add to that a copyright law that was never supposed to be and walla! This crazy crap.

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

well i do not care about vimeo. and i think my pc game play videos and walk through's are more creative then poor reality tv junk and people trying to be cute or be seen or noticed or looking for a date and friend lists. and if the videos are with in time and size limits what does it matter if it is a game video or not. if they are being viewed a lot means more traffic on its site. common sense stuff.

ha ha game play videos are a pretty large market. and its redord programs made just for us gamers. so vimeo is kind of silly really. and i can care less about them or a stupid frame of mind. a video is a video period. i make and post my videos for study and to help my game play as real war rooms would and or sports teams and players would. i can see things i may have missed while playing and learn maps etc. and my videos have helped others that was stuck in a game. most folks that view my videos are in the 45- 60 year old age range. vimeo just spit in the faces of them folks. i post for my self not for others or for comments ratings or friends. my 5 minute videos average 55mbs. i use ZDSOFT Game Recorder. youtube has the worst play back on the net. but it is practical and user friendly and has play list functions. other sites have better players but no play lists or album functions. no way to orginize your videos. so. until i can find a site with near same features and a better player than youtube. i guess i am stuck with it.. have fun see ya

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

sorry. i should have added. i have some 1400 videos on youtube. and complete play through play lists of stalker [480 stalker videos alone over 3 play lists]- mohaa- prey- hl2 and hl2 epi1. i have some 175 ut04 map videos. im recording far cry and ffow and hl source now. but soon will be recording rtcw- and fear platinum collection and many more that i have. my youtube screen name is the same as here. well i use the same screen name on all of the video sites i use. i have some videos on viddler.com and gamevee.com too. both viddler and gamevee have great players. but lack basic play list or album functions.. msn soapbox is not bad but to many ads and multi uploads is poor. yahoo video is nice. but yahoo videos only half works and multi uploads is poor. see ya. 

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

1 more lil bit of info and then im gone. the pc gamer alone pushes the pc hardware market. mother boards cpu's and video cards. computer tech flips every few month right now. and 98% of all of it is geared to the high end gamer. you dont need the most new tech to run a server or surf the net or for general multi media stuff or chat and look for a date or porn site or reality video garbage. ha ha vimeo trips me out and to hell with them.

and another thing. any pc game worth a crap already has demo record built in. just they take forever to convert to say avi and then file sizes are huge. and if you wanted to post the videos on line you have to convert or resize them to more small file sizes etc. thus the 3rd party game recorder's. real time conversion and smaller file sizes. vimeo sucks..

Re: Video Hosting Site Bans Game Play Footage as Not "Creative

just so you stupid vimeo folks know.. 1 game alone is pushing the whole entire pc hard and software market [[ CRYSIS ]]. all companies are scrambling to make hardware good enough to play CRYSIS at high and or smooth frame rates. ha ha not even government or super computers to date can max out or push the game.

im not sure what rock you folks live under. but you should take note. and not all of this world cares about your liberal tree hugging junk.. you would have got more ears had you said something like. playing video games make ya fat. we do not like them so we protest them.. freaken idiots.

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