Sony’s Fat Princess Causing Controversy

It’s not always easy to predict which video games are going to upset people. 

One of the games that debuted at last week’s E3 was Sony and Titan Studios’ upcoming PSN title Fat Princess, a cartoony, capture-the-flag game in which the object is to rescue your princess from the enemy’s dungeon.  The hook is that the enemy is plumping up your princess with cake, making her more and more difficult to haul back.

It’s cute.  It’s colorful.  It’s surprisingly bloody. And, from many reports, it’s a lot of fun. But, according to Joystiq, at least two feminist bloggers have taken issue with the fat part of Fat Princess.

Shakesville’s Melissa McEwan says in an open letter to Sony:

[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can’t figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance… I’m positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes.

Meanwhile, Feminist Gamers’ Mighty Ponygirl offers her take:

Honestly, the “core game mechanics” are brilliant, and if I didn’t care one whit about the objectification of women or fat-bashing, I would think this was the best thing since… well, Team Fortress 2…


Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry.


Oh, but that’s not as “cute” as cake and fat chicks. Right.

For his part, Titan Studios’ art director, James Green, said in an email to Joystiq:

Does it make it better or worse that the concept artist (who designed the look, characters, everything) is a girl?

-Reporting from San Diego, GP Correspondent Andrew Eisen prefers ice cream…

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  1. Father Time says:

    I sincerely doubt that ‘the deisgner was a girl’ is the guy’s only argument on whether or not the game is sexist.

  2. Father Time says:

    I have a theory that as society gets less and less racist and less and less sexist these groups are struggling to find a reason to still exist. So they look for controversy, they look to stir up shit where none exists so that they can tell their followers that they are still needed (this process can be done subconsciously as well).

  3. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m sorry, you can’t say anything as you are the reason the world is so horrible, we all know the world would be better off if all white males between the ages of 20-40 would just disappear … sheesh didn’t you get the memo =).

  4. Anonymous says:

    Of course there would be no complaints there, guys embrace their fatness, I know I do!

    It’s all about accepting yourself, and while fat guys may decide to work on their personalities and their humor many overweight women just brood on the fact they are overweight. This usually just leads to them becoming bitter and hateful.

    This of course is just based on my own personal experiences and the people I have met and known awhile.


  5. Anonymous says:

    Nobody is saying that people don’t rtecognise the wider significance of a game’s themes. However, to suggest that Fat Princess is an example of an indoctrinating game when you have titles like Hezbollah’s ‘Special Force 2’ is, quite frankly, fucking ridiculous.

    The point being, these people complaining about Fat Princess need to get over themselves.

  6. Ed says:

    Praise jeebus, yours is the first mature response in this thread, Arashi.

    You set a good example. I wish everyone preceding you would follow it.


  7. PHOENIXZERO says:

    That reminds me of a scene in the first episode of the new, awful and quickly canned Bionic Woman where the main character is running in the woods next to a road and runs past a moving car, the girl in the back mentions it to her mother and well at the end of the scene the girl says something like "I just thought it was cool that a girl could do that". Or something like that, it’s almost a year since I saw it. Just a big eye rolling moment.

  8. SimonBob says:

    Heh, I was actually thinking of going back and editing my post, because Samus was a good role model until they started giving her a bizarre morality (Fusion) and a skintight suit (Zero Mission.)

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  9. Corey says:

    I always figured Samus Aran was a pretty good female videogame character to look up to as a role model. Her games are actually good too unlike Croft and some of the other huge breasted videogame charcters.

  10. Zen says:

    Better late than never Kojiro…so congrats from us on quitting smoking!  My wife is an RRT (Registered Respiratory Therapist) so I can tell you some tales of what a life of smoking will do to you that will make you glad you stopped while you still could lol. 

    Anyways, I think kids are fat today because of the food, as well as videogames/tv.  I collect videogames so we have just about every system available to play at home along with some arcade machines, but we limit the amount that we actually play to a pretty small frame.  I push my kids to get out and do things as well as playing some games to have fun.  My wife and son are both in karate together which they love.  My younger daughter and son play outside, and will probably get into karate or whatever they choose when they are old enough.  There is life outside the house, but since I play/colelct videogames, and hold a second job as a videogame retailer mananger, most people feel that I must stay in a dark damp cave with my eyes glued to the TV.

    In regards to the food, I just taught my kids to eat when they are hungry, and that they only need to eat the amount they are comfortable with.  Amazing how easy that is.  My kids have even gotten to the point that when my oldest wants a snack or a treat, he just goes and gets a fresh apple out of the pile we keep in the fridge for him and that’s it.

  11. Kojiro ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Hoorah! to you and your wife.  My wife and I made similar decisions.  We don’t have kids yet, but we are trying to improve our general health so that when we do have kids, we can have the energy to enjoy them and the health to be around long enough to see them raise their own families.  I quit smoking 6 years ago for similar reasons.  I wanted to make sure I was going to spend time with my family when I was older, instead of dying of lung cancer :\


  12. Neeneko says:

    You could always claim to be a persecuted christian.  That seems to be pretty popular right now.

  13. BrainRotMenacer says:

    "A female is portrayed as being smarter, stronger, faster, etc. etc. etc. in just about every commercial on television."

    I should add that I do not mean to say that women can’t be smarter, stronger, or faster than a man since that simply isn’t true. It’s the fact that they are scared to show a female as the dumb one that puts a plunger over her face or loses a footrace to the gym to which I was alluding.

  14. BrainRotMenacer says:

    It’s been that way for years. A female is portrayed as being smarter, stronger, faster, etc. etc. etc. in just about every commercial on television. The worst part is that the marketing douchebags try to portray it like "Whoa! Can you believe a woman just beat a man in a car race?! This is going to make people remember our product!" which is blatantly sexist.

  15. Arad says:

    You know, I’m a white male, mid-twenties, of average height, weight, and build.  I’m in the narrow demographic of people who can’t say ANYTHING without being a racist or a sexist.  WTB equality!  I want to say things and get away with them, too!

  16. Neeneko says:

    Well, the mainstream is pretty important.  It provides the baseline for sociatie’s attitudes.


    But yeah, well meaning males who get introduced to ‘feminism’ via blogs and fringe groups are bound for a bad experince.  Usually I just dirrect people to NOW or other mature groups.    Years ago I used to work with a group (I wish i could remember it’s name) that ran special classes trying to get girls introduced to science and technology degrees.  Now there was a great feminist group to work with.. they started with a real, tangible problem (asymetric representation of women in science/engineering), asked what caused problems, then took positive steps to try to show young girls/women that these fields could be really interesting.

    No bashing, no whining, no victimization, just ‘hey! this is cool stuff and you can do it too if you give it a chance’

  17. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Funny thing I read a while back was about commercials and how they potray men compared to how they potray women.  Men are typically potrayed as dumb, stupid, barely capable of putting on their pants let alone shoes where as women are potrayed either as showing the man how to make it in this world or as empowered with near superhero abilities.  An example would be the yogurt commercial in which the man is searching through the fridge for the deserts as his wife is rattling off stuff she has been eating to a friend on the phone.  Funny yes if you don’t take it from the stance that they are saying he is to stupid to see the yogurt right in front of his face with the different desert names on them.  Now will you see any major uproars about this commercial probably not because most men are used to being shown as stupid brutes ignorant etc and we just shurg our shoulders and say whatever.

  18. Werrick says:

    I’m not sure the game’s even released yet, Kitten. I’m not entirely certain though.

    That being said, both harpi… er, ladies said that they liked the gameplay and that the design was good.

  19. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Should have responded with damn straight I objectify her and thank god she objectifies me.  She wants me to be healthy attractive and able to live a long life so I can be the object of her love and I do the same thing right back.


  20. BrainRotMenacer says:

    I bet if it was a prince instead of a princess, no one would say a word. Get over yourselves, feminists.

  21. Helpless Kitten says:

    So…does anyone know if the game is any fun?

    Really, unless a game is disturbingly gross or blatantly unfunny I really only care about whether it is a good game or not.

  22. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    ::standing ovation::

    Well said, well said.  I do believe that you wrapped up my feelings exactly in this post (without the belittling undertones and overtones I would let seep in).


  23. Kojiro ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    But if they had called it "Fat Pot Of Gold" then they wouldn’t be getting all this free publicity!  Though they could have a leprechaun guarding it and get the IRA all upset…

  24. point09micron says:

    I personally think these idiotic feminists should be praising Sony.  With all their bashing about how "fat people are human garbage", the fact remains that these noble knights are still attempting to save her, despite her weight.  Bravo Sony!  Your brilliant game mechanic has shown that fat people can be loved and desired just as much as skinny people!

  25. Werrick says:

    I used to engage feminist horse-hockey every time I saw it, pointing out the obvious flaws in the hypocritical dogma and rhetoric, completely ignoring the social more against men calling shenanigans on what are clearly, obviously contrived excuses to get riled up about… well, anything.

    A lot of the criticisms that feminists have are genuine, but largely they’re not new and they tend to be works in progress.

    But over the last 15 years or so I’ve grown bored with it. The conversation is always the same…  usually leading to me being called names and attacked personally. So… I’m bored with it, it’s never different and as a result I no longer am surprised by this kind of idiocy. The reality is that if you put a female character in a game somewhere some feminist (in a frenzied attempt to remain relevant and keep their dead religion alive at all costs) will take exception. She’s too fat, she’s too quiet, she’s too bitchy, she’s too skinny, she’s… whatever. But if there are no female characters in the game then it’s merely castigation for that too, leading into another rant about how women are under-represented in the industry.

    I’m at the point now where I’m fairly certain I’ve heard it all. Every argument, every specious statistic, every ridiculous claim of systemic descrimination against women, all of it. I know the counter-argument to every one and I know the counter-counter argument.

    I’m bored… I’m bored of this Hallmark Cards equivalent of human rights movement. Seriously… feminists… find something worthwhile to do with your time. You are more than the cause you claim to support.

  26. Zen says:

    Anybody here remember the video for the older Prodigy song "Smack My Bitch Up" (please don’t start yelling at me about it…I didn’t name the song).  Anyways, I have shown that to some of the more "vocal" women that I have known and got a really interesting, and telling, view of how they think from their reactions.  (This by NO means covers everybody…only these few that I showed it to).  The video is played out from the first person perspective of a person going from a bar, to sleeping with a woman, to getting into fights, to even throwing up.  For each horrible act, they pointed out that "guys act like this" and how "horrible we are to women". 

    Now here’s the kicker…right at the end of the video the camera looks into a mirror and you find that it was actually a WOMAN doing EVERYTHING in the video that they just panned…but magically their perspective changes from "a guy could do this" to a "woman NEVER would do this…it’s sexist, and made by a woman hater".  I know very few real women think like this all fo the time, but this was a bit of a shock.  It still amazes me how people can say something when they think it’s in their favor or in their view, but as soon as they are shown something different or that challenges what they believe all women should be or should be shown as, they freak out.

    Now me and my wife are both a little larger than we both want to be, and we’ve been honest to each other about it. We’ve changed our diets and work out at the gym more.  We do this not just because we want to be healty and enjoy our lives as we get older, but because we want to set an example into our kids.  But as soon as I’ve made the comment that me and my wife need to lose some weight in public, I’ve been accused of "objectifying" her and wanting her to look like a "man" wants her to be like.  I just want us healthy so when the kids are grown and gone, we can be in great shape to enjoy our lives.  I love her no matter how she looks..I just prefer us both being around.  But sadly some people still screw those words and call me evil.  Just can’t win I guess lol.

  27. KayleL says:

    The problem with feminists is that there are the ones who want rights well beyond males such as not only having equal amount of females at a school, but has scholarships to help them for just being female.

    Then there are the ones who twist your words into something it’s not such as “Are you saying that I’m fat” even though you said nothing remotely in the subject.

    Then they are then sensible feminists, who believe in equal rights and nothing more, but when they criticize any feminist for being too extreme, or no pushing for more, they are called traitors.

  28. Velvet_Llama says:

    I read the blogs linked in this article and I would agree that they take it a bit far and while there were some legit trolls in the responses, other reasonable responses were met with unnecessairly harsh criticism. However I disagree that this is “just a game.” Games, like all media products, influence us and how we understand the world around us. That doesn’t mean that they make us act or think a certain way. But at the same time we can’t say that they have no influence what so ever on us. It’s not as simple as one or the other.

    In the big picture, this game really is irrelevant. The future of gender politics does not hinge on a cute little cell shaded game. And it seems that this game uses the classic rescue the princess theme to represent the classic capture the flag game with a neat little twist. But it is the unproblematic use of the princess theme and it’s unproblematic acceptance that represents how games like this can reinforce gender stereotypes- not through what they do, but through what they don’t do.

    But in the end, I don’t think we should just reject a game out of hand because of it’s portrayal of gender roles. That just isn’t fair and it also denies the agency of the player. Look this game isn’t going to turn anyone into a misogynist. But at the same time, we have to recognize that this game along with countless others both shape and are shaped by societal attitudes towards men and women. And we should recognize that.

  29. SimonBob says:

    I think the problem is that they’re lacking a grasp on the game mechanics.  It’s the other team (ie. the bad guys) who’re fattening up the princess.  One supposes that upon rescuing their royalty, the winners can hook her up to some liposuction to bring her back to a healthy weight.  (But not overly skinny, lest she become a Barbie-styled target for objectification!)

    Having tabbed through what few screenshots there are, I don’t see anything truly controversial yet — but if the game ends up glorifying the fat aspect, then yeah, I could see problems with that.  Bad enough that the only current role models for women in videogames are shirt-stuffers like Tifa Lockheart or Lara Croft.  When is "normal" going to make a comeback?

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  30. lumi says:

    Er…the episode in which Lois became fat led to Peter suddenly finding her incredibly attractive.  They made love constantly until she had a heart attack from overexerting herself.

  31. Anonymous says:

    If the game was called "Skinny Princess" and you had to give the princess clothes and shoes to get her to follow you, would that cause any less of a backlash from feminists or larger people?  because in that game they would be objectifying a thin caricature instead of a "fat" one, which probably would get them MORE bad press than this iteration.  It is a "damned if you do, damned if you don’t" situation.

  32. lumi says:

    Eh…this might be true of the mainstream, but if you ever go digging for more information on the subject…

    I think that’s another self-defeating tendency that feminist groups, especially on the internet, seem to have.  They can deny it until they’re blue in the face, but the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory applies to them too, and their blogs/forums/etc. are often cesspools of male-bashing.  So when some unsuspecting guy decides he wants to find out more about the "real" definition of feminism and what the philosophy is all about (possibly because some "good" feminist told him his misconceptions were, in fact, misconceptions, and he should try to learn what it’s all really about?), what he finds is pretty much confirmation of all his worst fears and suspicions about them.

    Because, once again…the idiots are always the loudest ones.  It’s tragic how many aspects of humanity that’s true of =(

  33. lumi says:

    This is a debate I’ve had with an ex-girlfriend on a few occasions (we’re both still on very good terms, mind you).  Basically, the feminists that we’ve all come to know and hate…are the only ones we ever hear from.  The term "feminism" has become warped in the public eye, so it elicits a hostile response.  Just as you, Meggie, don’t like being lumped in with the "evil feminists", most guys don’t appreciate being lumped in with the "male chauvinist pigs".  I admit it is something of a catch-22 regarding your ability to speak out against the idiots within your ranks (at least it is easier for a decent guy to call out a jackass for being a jackass).

    That said, I have never liked the term feminism simply because of its etymology.  The "true" feminists claim to want equality between the genders, yet they themselves have taken up a label implying a bias toward their own gender.  I’d much prefer the term "equalist", myself, but then again I’d much prefer that there be no need for labels in the first place, so…meh.

    Either way, we can all agree that women are cool, for the most part, but the two quoted above fail =)

  34. Neeneko says:

    Though maggie above also pointed out something that I had blanked on.

    The exuse does kinda fall flat since women can be quite sexist twords women too.  So the argument works if he is specificly countering the idea that the game was made by insensive men being sexist twords women, but is not a complete argument against the idea the game is sexist.

    Wow that was convoluted english, my bad.

  35. Arashi says:

    It’s really easy for someone to take personal offense – some people are really insecure.  Others can be paranoid or really angry because of personal experience.

    I don’t feel that movie was making fun of fat people, either – I felt it was saying "society is consuming too much and becoming too dependant on other things; we must take responsibility for ourselves and our future".  The people were modeled to be a lot more like babies (who are FULLY dependant on others for their survival), rather than fat adults.  I’m a pretty straightforward person, but that metaphor/allegory/whatever you want call it isn’t hard to understand.

  36. Tom90deg says:

    I agree…Best thing to do is just nod blankly and then ignore them. They feed off of attention! Just treat them like a forum troll.


    If you cannot best a man in argument, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.

  37. Anonymous says:

    No.  Too many people with too many values and beliefs that will be insulted if you happen to continue on with the creative process.

  38. Arad says:

    Here’s some food for thought:

    What if the game was ‘Fat Prince,’ where all the soldiers are female, and the objective to rescue the kidnapped prince, who’s been fattened up by the other side, also comprised entirely of female soldiers.

    Complete gender reversal of the roles.  I’m sure the hard core psycho feminists would say that game is insulting to women because it puts them in a subservient role to a male figure. ("Bring me more food!"  "Save me!")

    Debating with psycho feminists is like trying to debate with buffalo stampede.  Doesn’t matter how good your points are, you’re still going to get run over.

  39. Anonymous says:

    Its sad how people don’t get things and then blame the film for being all hurtful and stuff considering it was a enviromental message that we need to stop being lazy and give a damn about the enviroment…..not FAT PEOPLE BAD!


  40. Meggie (can't sign in) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Haha, a "good type." Most generally aren’t out to cut you balls off, you just don’t hear from them as much since women like this get the attention.

    Neeneko pretty much said it, once I disagree, I’ll loose my "feminist" status in their eyes, it won’t really be a fem vs fem arguement. I was actually thinking about writing up a response aimed more at their logic  (that this princess is portrayed as "unlovable human garbage") during my lunch break (I’m wasting enough work time as it is, lol). I do thing some games are sexist (or at least have sexist elements, one part of a game can’t really earn an entire title such a damning label), but this clearly isn’t one of them, and crying wolf doesn’t help a cause.

    I liked

  41. Anonymous says:

    Accutally Homer was intended to be just a stuipd dad but not a borderline retarded one.  They ever made fun of it on the Simpsons that overtime Homer seemed to be getting epicly stupid as seasons went on.

    As for Family Guy there was that one episode where Lois did get fat and was being harassed by Peter for being fat so your absolutely right.  If anything they should of been angry at that episode of Family Guy and not being angry at that episode and sending letters to Seth McFarland only means that they are HYPOCRITS!!

    Thanks dude you helped me find the key to their hypocracy.  xD

  42. Tom90deg says:

    You know what this reminds me of? I’m sure that a lot of people here have seen the movie "Wall-E" Pixar’s latest film. And I think most will agree it’s an amazeing story, very heartwarming and tearjerking in parts. A complety sublime movie, and one that deserves to be reconized for the piece of art that it is. You know what I’ve been hearing around the webboards I frequent? Which, by the way, are mainly for people who like larger girls and whatnot? How the movie makes fun of fat people. About how it’s "Size Negetave" and now I won’t take my kids to go see it, because I don’t want them exposed to that kinda Hollywood propaganda. It’s this kinda thing, where everyone is obsessed that "I am being OPRESSED!" that really annoys me. Everything is not about you, They were not trying to make a negative game, heck, the whole POINT is to SAVE the fat princess, despite what the good Miss McEwan said in her profanity filled blogpost.

    I just don’t understand people who take EVERYthing as a personal caculated attack on them. Lighten up I say. You are not that important.


    If you cannot best a man in argument, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.

  43. scribe999 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Does no one have a problem with making fun of mentally retarded fat guys on t.v.??? Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Frank Caliendo, etc.  I mean, it’s epidemic! As an obese male with a below average I.Q., I am offended by the Simpsons game and it’s depiction of Homer’s travels through the Land of Chocolate…mmmmmmmmmmm…chocolate.

  44. Neeneko says:

    I am not sure the ‘because my best friend is gay’ analogy holds in this case.  This isn’t ‘my friend is a girl’, it’s ‘the artist who’s responbility it was to set the tone and designed the imagry for the game was a girl’, which is pretty differnt.   This isn’t some bystandard that happens to be near by, he is talking about someone with significant influence over the game’s look and imagry.

    Within the gay analogy, it would be like talking about, say, a gay oriented movie where the director was strait, people got offended, then the director reveals that the writers were gay.

  45. Arashi says:

    My grammar is impeccable, baby.  😉

    Reading the comments on those pages made my head spin with the stupidity of it all – and I’m not just talking about the feminists.  Some very immature gamers didn’t really make their points clear (and by that, I mean they sounded like a bunch of kids).  Yes, intentionally baiting angry people TOTALLY makes them see your point of view.  Some of the more reasonable comments did, unfortunately, seem to fall on deaf ears, which is too bad.  The more rational comments should have at least been heard instead of being told almost immediately that they were wrong.

    It’s all about respect.  Giving it means getting it.

    Oh, also?  If you don’t want to support something?  Then DON’T BUY IT.  It’s as simple as that.  Companies don’t make stuff that people won’t buy.

  46. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    And the sad part is that if you tried to have a conversation with the people on that website, they would simply make fun of your grammer and would just dance around the issue.  xD

  47. Arashi says:

    I can see why they’d be upset, but I disagree with them.  I’m a fat female gamer.  I have no qualms saying such.  This looks like a game I’d enjoy – it’s meant to be silly and fun; it’s not meant to intentionally or maliciously bash fat women.  I can see how it can be seen that way, but I don’t think that’s what the game is trying to do.  (I feel a lot of times, "artistic" or "developers’" intent can get lost in a game, and in cases like this, it’s important to see where they’re coming from.)

    Also saying "a girl made it" does not help your argument, Mr. Green.  That’s like saying, "HEY I CAN MAKE FUN OF GAY PEOPLE CUZ MY BEST FRIEND’S GAAAAAY".  Doesn’t work, and it’s not cool.

    I also believe that feminism should be about equality with men – not about preaching how women are superior to men.  However, I do believe that both genders should be more understanding and accepting of each other.  Woman-bashing (and male-bashing) is definitely not okay.

  48. Micah S says:

    Well, that’s the other thing…it doesn’t. She just threw it in to show her PC street cred.

  49. Shoehorn O'Plenty says:

    I guarantee that if the game had been titled "Fat King" and had you rescuing a tubby old soul with a beard, there would not have been one single iota of complaint or controversy.

    It’s saddening that groups who proclaim to be looking out for certain demographics just exacerbate problems by searching for or creating controversy like this where none exists.The same people who would scream if there were no black/female/overweight characters continue to scream when they are there. I think games, hell the entire world of fiction would be incredibly dull if every single character was a boring cookie cutter figure, designed to be as non-offensive as possible. I’m not saying that every black character should be a bad guy for instance, but there should be no outrage if a black guy is chosen to be the antagonist in a game. The same goes for any member of either sex, any race, religion, etc.

  50. Neeneko says:

    Heh.  The problem is, if she, as a feminist, goes and tries to talk some sense into these angry people, she will just be labeled a traitor, or a male apologist, or a tool of men, or man pretending to be a woman, or someone who ‘obviously doesn’t get it and who’s attitude actually hurts women everywhere’.

    People like this generally are not interestd in hearing ideas from within their own movement that do not match their own.  They want to believe that they are the true form of what a feminist should be, fighting the things that need to be fought, and anyone who does not follow thier model is worse then the things they are fighting.

  51. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I just looked up the term and I have no idea how it even applies to this controversy…… 0_o

  52. Ouroboros ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Heh… Can anybody make anything in this country without offending somebody?

  53. Neeneko says:

    Luckly the notion is slowly dieing out.

    Whiney extreamists will always find an audiance but they will increasingly be the minority.

    Plus the cultural fears over feminism are dieing off so there is less imagry of the ‘insane feminatizi’ floating around, which means even when these outliers find an audiance they get less benifit out of it.

  54. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Could you talk some sense into the feminists at that website because apparently no matter how non offensive you try to talk to them via the comments page they just find things to criticize one about such as my bad grammer.  xD

    Atleast your here sanely talking and trying to have a dialogue so your the good type of feminist.  🙂

  55. Meggie (can't sign in) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    As someone to considers herself a feminist, I’m not too happy with the notion that being one means you have to get upset over every, often trivial, things(that, like the cake, is a lie). Being a complainer doesn’t qualify you as a feminist. The game looks amusing to me, a funny new take on the rescue the princess game.

  56. Titantim says:

    What a joke!  If the women are too skinny, they get pissed.  If they’re too fat, they get pissed.  So all they want is normal sized women in a video game?  This is supposed to be fantasy here!

    On top of that, look around and you’ll see that the fat woman in the game is fairly close to how big women (And men) are becoming in society.

  57. Neeneko says:

    Meh.  I think the thing about this that annoys me the most is the blogger’s attitude of "I’m going to be insulting and immature, oh look people were immature back! That proves that I am right!"

    I think people need to remember that if you post nasty blogs about how insulted you are by something, a good chunk of the time that post is going to insult some uninvolved 3rd party….. so unless you word it carefully one will end up hurting others in their attempt to say how they are hurt, and those people will have every right to attack back.  And then turning thier pain around and using it as example of why you were right all along just amplifies the effect.

  58. oto kirlama says:

    Nintendo is indeed selling SOME of these on the Virtual Console but not even close to all of them. While i agree in part to his piracy he was filling a market that Nintendo failed to recognize. Maybe someone doesnt want to buy a Wii. maybe they just want a console with 50 – 100 NES games on them?? maybe just maybe?

    but no Nintendo wants everyone araba kiralama to buy the Wii. thats their excuse but thats not what copyright is supposed to protect. i am real sure that the makers of 10 yard fight were losing sleep because they were missing out on their $0.00025 worth because they didnt get royalties from this player. *smirk*

    my question is, should Super Mario Bros. be banned from public domain forever? isnt 23 years enough time for Nintendo to have made their profits?

    If you have followed the Steamboat Willie case regarding Mickey Mouse you can rest in your bed well at night knowing that the MOUSE will still be under copyright law, away from public domain after your great grandchildren are in nursing homes. That is beyond ridiculous dont you think??

    Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it’s due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA’s Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there’s no one left on the Board.

    Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.


    Now I don’t have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

    Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

    Wait… I think that sounds like a good idea.

    But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God’s Sake… least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

  59. pzid says:

                                                                    BAD GRAMMAR ALERT

    Honestly men and women are different and no one can deny that fact so how can the two be truly equal; i agree that giving women the right to choose how they want to live is a moraly correct statement, but if you are going to say that; isn’t including women in the draft along those same lines….. to me it seems rather unfair to let women have all the benifets but none of responsibilities and im not trying say that women are draft dodgers;its just they would be at a vast disadvantage if they fought with a opposing male(which could possibly lead to other problems as well…………). 

    We have to have a dominant gender to be a better functioning society look at the animal kingdom if you can’t understand this, its not just males who can be dominant but females as well… forgive me i can’t think of a better example, but female black widow spiders eat their male counter parts after they have become "useless" to them….. the point is that whatever is more conveniet for that species to survive is how they will evolve and there lies the fact that to think that males and females are equal in every right is false. With humans men are scientificaly the dominant ones and women were made by nature to be the objects of men’s desire and the reason why we are here today because that equation worked.

    Take what you will from this but please dont flame me for this; if i have incorrectly stated something feel free to give constructive criticism

  60. Thaos says:

    If i had a bunch of followers who loved me, and all they wanted/needed me to do was eat cake I’d do it, love it, and be "super fat"

    For the people

  61. Pichi says:

    Indeed, the gap is getting shorter when it comes to males and females in math and science in schools nowadays. Once the generation continues, I can see more more of us entering in the male dominated fields like that. I just think that we had a late start.

  62. Father Time says:

    I didn’t mean to bluntly state that was your argument, but I’ve seen that same argument brought up repeatedly and for a minute it seemed like you were starting a train of thought that would lead to that argument (if that makes any sense).


    Really I’ve seen people claim the grand theft auto series is sexist because it lacks female protagonists (heaven forbid these people forget the concepts of satire and pardoy and then look at the ads in the game series).

  63. Gift says:

    Well I’m not saying the games industry has an obligation to make games with female protagonists, nor do I say sexisim exists because of the shortage (so I’ve no clue where you got that impression from). Artistic expression does not and should not have to meet quotas.

    What I will say is that while there is an imbalance, this kind of critisism should be expected. Then again, the people upset by the inequality could also make a game of their own i.e. Fat Prince.


  64. Disco-D says:

    Quote "[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can’t figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance… I’m positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes."

    Just like the idiot black blogger who kicked off about Resident Evil 5 because his racist prejudices towards white people made him assume that anyone who wanted to play the game was a Nazi-saluting, Swastika wearing white supremacist, so does this militant feminist blogger apply her own brand of sexist logic to this charming looking game.

    As a matter of fact, she would probably label me as one of those fat-hating, heteronormative assholes. I go to the gym, eat healthily and watch my weight and would expect any girl I went out with to do the same. Not because I hate fat chicks, but because fat ain’t healthy.

    Get on the treadmill you silly moose…..

  65. Father Time says:

    Considering that every site I’ve seen advocating censorship has neither comments nor a forum I’m really not surprised by this.

  66. Father Time says:

    Before you even begin to consider the argument that ‘sexism exists because there’s a shortage of female protagonists’ please realise that the games industry does not have to fullfill some arbitrary quota of female protagonists before it can be considered not sexist.

    Oh but as for fat prince, I’ve suggested they take a look at the turn frog into prince angle.

    That way they’ll be decrying men as disgusting slimy toads that need women before they can become anything resembling a human.

  67. Hannah says:

    I’m a computer science major — a field that remains heavily dominated by men — but the only discrimination that I’ve seen has been in my favour.  There are all sorts of programs offering me extra help, scholarships, etc. purely because of my second X chromosome, and I know that I’ll be able to find a job at the end of it because so many companies are desperate to appear "inclusive."  I can only conclude that the average woman simply isn’t interested in this field and would rather do something else.

    Perhaps there is discrimination in other fields — I don’t know — but my experience shows that it is not necessarily as widespread as many might believe.

  68. Anonymous says:

    "After reading some of the posts that got through and their response, I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t want another viewpoint and are quite happy ragging away in their own little world"


  69. Austin_Lewis says:

    Yeah, every so often you’ll find a Conservative in academia (I am on good terms with a philospher/philosphy teacher who is very conservatve), but they are in the vast minority.  However, outside of certain schools (Military Colleges, mainly), you’ll find there are very few if any conservatives on staff, and that all the teachers have very liberal tendencies, which they do, in many cases, try to force into their classes.


  70. Arad says:

    "You see, academia leans far far far far FAR to the left, despite what anyone may want to believe."

    Not to sound contradictory (since I agree with your assertion for the most part), but my US History teacher in college was about as far right as a person can get.  If he went any farther right, he’d be off the scale.  As I said, he was the US History teacher, and from the 1950s on, virtually every lesson was a diatribe against the democratic party, both lauding it’s failures and condemning it to obscurity in the annals of history.  On a somewhat funny note, he predicted the 2004 elections would be a landslide for Bush.

  71. DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Look on the bright side. At least ol’ Thompson will be having a fit that an article on this site got 150 comments without one mention of him in the article.

  72. the1jeffy says:

    You wouldn’t happen to want to run for President with me in 2016, would you? (I’ll be 35 that year)

    I was going for President, but I’m OK with being VeeP to the first female President.  You in?

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  73. the1jeffy says:

    That’s fairly inappropriate.

    However, it is odd/noteworthy that the strains between the sexes seem to evaporate post-coitus.  So your attitude is wrong, but biologically, you might have a point.

     ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  74. the1jeffy says:

    It would be difficult to become a female doctor/scientist.  Being that I’m of the decidely male persuasion.

    Here’s a quick idea for you – if we simply had as many women engineers and scientists in the US as we do men, we would regain the the bulk of the scientific prowess in the world.  We don’t, so your assertion of "plenty" female doctors and scientists is false.  Certain fields, like Chemical Engineering (hello fellow BSChE’s out there!), have nearly 40% women, but most other technical fields have far less.

    Why don’t you take your dismissive and uninformed attitude, "somewhere else?"

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  75. Gift says:

    Just a thought, but you still have to rescue her when she’s seriously overweight right? That being the case doesn’t this game suggest that true love is what counts and being overweight doesn’t diminish your standing as a human being?

    It’s all a matter of perspective.

    At best they’ve a case that game objectifies women, but even then I’m not sure about that. Rescuing the princess as a story/game theme is as old as the hills, it may have started out as viewing people as property, but it lost that connection long ago. (Ransom of men [usually men] and women was a part of medieval life.) Now it’s just a fairy tail "rescue the one you love" meme. Perhaps a rescue the Fat Prince game should be made to balance things out? After all there aren’t many Metroid-ese female protagonist games, and I guess that leaves female gamers a bit short changed.


  76. Anonymous says:

    Actually, there’s an appalling lack of feamle Scientists – a problem that needs to be addressed urgently and which, funnilly enough, directly affects the videogames industry.

    Women aren;t be blocked from studying the sciences, they just seem to be a less popular choice within that demographic.

  77. Cecil475 says:

    Hmm..yeh, I did notice that..but I’m not surprised.

      – Warren Lewis

    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  78. Christian Astrup ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    They shut down the comments. Anybody else find it suspicious that they buckle under questioning to the point of calling people of differing opinions "trolls" rather than actually defend their stand?

  79. Father Time says:

    "Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry."

    Oh but the more gold you’ll lose if they do succeed (remember you want gold) which adds a whole new gameplay element.

    If you think about it feeding something is the only way to go and have it work. You could throw useless weights into a chest but then the enemy can just take them out again. It would be hard/disgusting to make something throw up what it’s eaten (and if we do that we’re encouraging bulimia right?)

    Do these feminists not understand that rescuing a princess from a dungeon is a cliche from both fairy tales and video games (thank you nintendo)? So they’re taking the cliche and adding a twist to it. I bet that if you were to make a game similar to this around the whole ‘kiss a frog it turns into a prince’ bit no one would complain about it and say that it treats men like frogs.

    They’re basing a game off an old cliche (not a stereotype but a cliche) that happens to involve women. I bet that if there is a lesson it’s probably that if you eat too much you’ll gain weight which is something everyone all ready knows. In fact I could proclaim this as an anti-obesity game if I was so inclined.

    But I won’t because I haven’t played the game yet and I know very little about it. For all I know it could have some anti women or anti-fat elements to it. But if we accept that logic ANY upcoming game, movie, play, book etc. could have anti women stuff in it.

    Although the fact that they are still rescuing the princess even if she is fat and hard to carry should mean something if you were to look way too much into it as these people seem to be doing.

    Really though do they think that the people who play this game are going to be searching for hidden lessons or agendas or a message? Of course not, it’s a downloadable game. If you’re going to be looking for a message in this game you probably should do the same thing in online flash games.

    You know maybe they can just turn the princess into a cow or a pig or something so they’ll shut up.

  80. Wolvenmoon says:

    You could call this game historically accurate.


    In medieval times (the times of princesses) thinner women weren’t the ‘hot’ thing, the ‘portly’ women were of wealth and a comfortable, plush life, which is what more people wanted at that time.


  81. Anonymous says:


    So I guess that the cake is indeed true!

    They’re feeding it to the ‘Fat’ Princess. 🙂

  82. Cecil475 says:

      "[Fat Princess]  looks and sounds just adorable—but the only thing I can’t figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance… I’m positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes."

    Really? Everyone?  I’d love to know what reasearch went that one statement. Thats the problem with feminists like this person, is that they are ready to bash the other gender at the drop of a hat. I don’t see in that decription anywhere it talks about hating fat women. I guess if it were a prince or a king then no one would be raising a stink,

    The bottom line is that not every single thing has to be about gender or even race. I don’t have anything against women or fat people.

    But I’m a guy..what do the hell do I know, right?

     – Warren Lewis

    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  83. Austin_Lewis says:

    Actually, the reason that women tend not to go into hard sciences as often is that there are few role models for such fields.  Physics, Engineering, these don’t have very many women leading the progression of the field. 
    Of course, it can also be attributed to the fact that sociologically, the ‘role models’ for female children tend to , for the last 20 years, be skanks, failures, and dropouts, just as with the black community.

    There is very little sexism in academia, as most professors are more than willing to kiss the asses of females and anyone perceived to be the ‘minority’ ( I recall a feminist with a doctorate in sociology who tried her best to fail me, but I still passed, even after writing a 12 page dissertation on why she should lose her job).  You see, academia leans far far far far FAR to the left, despite what anyone may want to believe.  

    Your point about Doctorates and the amount of work required for them being counterproductive to raising a family is undoubtedly the best point you make, and this is true.  However, many people don’t realize that when two people start a family, it makes it hard for either to further their education, save in the most extraordinary of situations. 

    As for feminism, today it has become, as a whole, a view that demands that we acquiesce and make reparations for past ‘wrongs’.  Feminists no longer do anything of value, save waste space on the internet.

  84. Anonymous says:

    As a fat person, I am deeply offended…

    that these people think they’re allowed to speak for me.

  85. Anonymous Ninja says:

    At least you aren’t going all the way through four stages only to be told "Thank you enter name here)! But your fat princess is in another castle!"


    By the way if you win, do you get to dance to Sir Mixalot’s Baby got Back with the princess? 🙂

  86. Asmodai ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I was going to try and post some feedback to some of the mentioned blogs but after reading this, I didn’t bother…

    "it’s amazing how quickly they’ll disappear once you take away their right to speak" in regards to trollish posts.

    After reading some of the posts that got through and their response, I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t want another viewpoint and are quite happy raging away in their own little world.

    C’est la vie, why waste time trying to open a dialogue without someone who isn’t interested in your opinion in the first place (after all, I am just a man… ; )


  87. Anonymous says:

     Whoops, accidentally posted this as a reply first ><


     To everyone seething at feminists as a cohesive group…

    At the core of feminism is the simple idea that men and women should be considered equals, and to a wide extent we’ve achieved this. Sure, there’s still sexism, particularly in academia (as a grad student in physics I’ve had piles of experience with that first hand) and compared to many fields of work it’s received comparatively little attention. In the past fifty years, there have been no female nobel laureates in either physics or chemistry, and _never_ any in economics. The debate about why this disparity between men and women in the academic world, particularly in the hard sciences, could provide enough material to last for weeks. Personally, I think it’s a combination of societal conditioning to think men are better fitted for the hard sciences and the simple fact that making a career in academia requires an almost obsessive drive and is not conducive to raising a family at all. Many women-I’d even go as far to say the majority-who consider an scientific career also want children. Working the insane hours required to be successful in such a competitive and stressful field doesn’t allow for this goal that many women put high on their list.

    But I digress… 

    Real feminists don’t go squawking around about a cute, harmless video game. Comparing these nutcases to the wider feminist movement makes about as much sense as comparing every muslim to the radicals who blow themselves up in supermarkets.

    And to the women involved: I’m sure if you look hard enough, you’ll find something worthwhile to do with your time.

  88. Anonymous says:

    "In case they haven’t heard, having boobs no longer causes us to earn smaller salaries and have fewer rights. "

    "You can’t play that ‘women don’t have equal rights and oppor tunities’ crap anymore, not after what I’ve seen. "

    Before stating this, perhaps go look up comparative pay-scales for men and women in your country. I know that in mine, women are still significantly under-recompensed for doing the same job as men. We have not reached equality there yet.

  89. Ed says:

    Busted out the thesaurus for that one, huh?

    Your own arguments would probably be stronger if you didn’t degenerate to name calling yourself:

    … That being said, both harpi… er, ladies said that they liked the gameplay …

    … I’ve had more success communicating with my cat. …

    … attitude that, ironically, so many "feminists" share. …

    My suggestion – stop making massive generalisations. Not all women are feminists, not all feminists are women, not all feminists share the same values or ideology.

  90. Hannah says:

    I think what it really comes down to is… while most of us are aware that certain groups might be offended by certain things, we feel very strongly that the group in question should grow the hell up, stop making the innumerable others that they claim to represent look bad, and join the rest of us in the 21st century.  Admittedly the majority of gamers are unable to express that thought coherently, let alone politely, but it does seem to be the most common opinion here and elsewhere in the gaming community.

    Besides, in my experience, it’s much easier to ignore a fellow human being’s sex, race, etc. when I’m not constantly being reminded of it by misguided individuals who never quite got the memo several decades ago when most real injustices were sorted out.

  91. Anonymous says:

    [quote]I’m not calling you "sweet-cheeks" or "jugs"[/quote]


    Ah, the inevitable assumption that I must be "one of THEM". That never gets old.

  92. Anonymous says:

    … really.. .

    You’d think that if this was such an important issue to some, they’d take it up and pursue it. Instead of complaining about it. There are plenty of Female Doctors and Scientists out there. Maybe you should think about becoming one. Make this your flagship issue. Otherwise, take it somewhere else.

  93. Werrick says:

    Please don’t call me "hon"… I’ve not given you the priviledge of familiarity. The fact that you assume you can take such a liberty is evidence of a condescension that I neither appreciate nor welcome. I’m not calling you "sweet-cheeks" or "jugs", after all… that would be sexist, now wouldn’t it? Please have the same respect for me… assuming you’re capable of such an extraordinary feat of self-control.

    Secondly, your rant wherein you call me an "… immature twat" along with the rest of the posters here, some of whom have, in fact, posted reasonably and rationally, myself included, merely demonstrates precisely the attitude against which some people are opposed. In short, it represents the "if you don’t agree with me then not only are you wrong, but you’re an imbecile" attitude that, ironically, so many "feminists" share.

    In short, you’re guilty of precisely the thing you accuse others of committing, but you do so egregiously as you claim the moral high-ground. It doesn’t matter how long or how hard you think you "tried", the fact remains that at the end of the day you’ve become the very thing you CLAIM to fight against.

    So, you’ll excuse me if I continue to point out not only your hypocrisy, but your blatant disregard for reality and your inexcusable bias on the issue.

  94. Anonymous says:

    Dude this is going to make a lot of money for Sony and it’s one of the best products they have had in the PS3’s lifeline so far… apart from Uncharted.

  95. Ohma says:

    Listen hon, I’ve been trying to talk some sense into the community I thought I was a part of for quite some time. No matter how calmly, simply, and nicely I’ve discussed issues like this here and elsewhere, nothing fucking changes, you’re still a bunch of immature twats who can’t seem to wrap your brains around an idea as simple as "certain words in the english language carry negetive connotations beyond simply being ‘bad words’ and in many circomstances using those words can be innapropriate, and highly offensive to certain social groups".


    So you’ll excuse me if I don’t particularly care much anymore about wether or not my blatent trolling convinces some bigoted dumbass to see the ‘error of their ways’.

  96. the1jeffy says:

    Short (Sarcastic) Answer: I bet those bloggers are fat chicks.

    Long Answer:

    I wish these types of self-righteous bloggers would stop calling themselves feminists.  I’m a feminist.  I realize there are inequities between the sexes, especially in the workplace and in health care, that need to be brought to light and resolved.

    But, these girls (and I mean that they are acting childish) are simply perceiving problems where there are none, likely for attention.

    I must oppose the notion that obese women are somehow more mocked than obese men.  The root cause of the ridicule is the obesity problem, not the sex. 

    Silly little angry letters like this just distract otherwise caring people (both men and women) from real issues. 

    Healthcare is the primary place I see true inequality.  Try googling "endometriosis."  More women have this disease then have breast cancer.  Yet, it’s insidiously under diagnosed and the treatment is fraught with 1950’s era "Get ‘er pregnant." and then, "Cut out her organs," if the first course fails (which the first solves nothing, and hysterectomies have been shown to not 100% solve the problem).  Many times female reproductive probems are attributed to stess, because of the complete lack of medical know-how at the GP level of potentially serious female symptoms. 

    Ask yourself, why do we have thousands of birth control optons for women, when they are fertile for only a few days (maybe 5 tops) during a month, but men are fertile from age 12 or so and until death?  The issue of birth control is met with the same male-centered logic – that pregnancy is the ‘fault’ or ‘responsibility’ of the female.  Quite simply, male birth control would stop the "problem" with 100% reliability, because we are always fertile.  But, you don’t see it, because birth control was designed in the 60’s when men dominated the field (and didn’t want to deal with the side effects).  The same goes for heart disease research, cancer research, and fertility research, etc.  It was assumed that women and men would diagnose these dieseases similarly.  Wrong.

    So, there are real feminist issues out there, but anytime one of the activist parade starts squaking about social perceptions, using terms like heteronormative, and objectivication, people just roll their eyes and mutter, "Feminists" with a head shake.  And the real issues get buried in codswallop.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  97. Werrick says:

    That’s an interesting perspective.

    Might I point out that your post merely affords you the opportunity to become the very thing you so vehemently oppose? Do you really think that calling us "gamerboyshitheads" is going to help you or to make you appear as though you have something valuable to say?

    Do you think that calling someone names and berating them in public is going to win you any support? If not, then it’s simply a troll. Even more sad is the possibility that you think we’ll "wake up" or something and realize that you’re right.

    We won’t.

    *the more you knooooww…*

  98. Anonymous says:

    Instead of being so damn focused on the "media image", perhaps they could learn to live their own lives and be happy with themselves.

    Lashing out at people and objects that indirectly reference your own insecurities is childish.

  99. Ohma says:

    Hooray! Another comments clusterfuck WOOOOOOOOOOOO! What’ll it be next time? Someone doesn’t like game Z because they feel it promotes, let’s say child prostitution, and they’re part of non-gamerboyshithead group Y. I’m sure the comments from the multitudes of braying masses will be a *joy* to read on that one, and won’t *at all* make the commenters and the community they’re a part of look like massive sociopathic fucks. :roll:

  100. Matt ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    ZZZZZZZZZZ – seriously, why get worked up about what a couple of people, who have lots more issues than just how much they weigh, say? 

  101. Anonymous says:

    don’t feel too bad for the feminist in the article. especially that pony girl chick. talk about ill logical, mad with power because i have a blog feminist. she definitly has a gang mentality-if you don’t agree with her 100% she bans people from her board. now that would make sense for the people that go there and just troll but if some one tries to have a normal logical converstation or even debate that is not bashing a group in any way she still boots them, especially if it is a debate she is obviously loosing.  rational arguments are not her style and talk about a hypocrite, wow if you read any of her posts on her site she lives by the saying "do as i say not as i do".

     if feminist don’t want to come off to the general public as a bunch of way out there nut cases they need to discuss their issues and not come off as fanatics that won’t even listen to opposing view points. the scary thing is these feminist like pony girl are extremeists in every form of the word, the second you stop listening to everyone but yourself and your group of "yes men, or women" your extreme point of view will only get worse.

  102. Lloyd says:

    This country has become way too sensitive. People need to stop being offended by every little thing and quit their crying. Especially these feminists.

    What would make them happy? If a woman is fat, then it’s bashing fat chicks. If they are skinny, it’s saying girls have to be thin to be pretty. If a woman is pretty then it’s setting an unrealistic standard for beauty. But if a woman is ugly then it’s bashing ugly chicks. And we can’t treat them like guys because that’s offensive to them. Seriously, WTF do you want?

    To anyone offended by this or any other game: GET THE **** OVER IT! If you don’t like it then you don’t have to play it!

  103. Anonymous says:

    Thank you, part of my point I couldn’t really get across about how this whole unequal view of the sexes thing is silly. Both sides have it bad in their own ways so trying to highlight one as worse really doesn’t work well.

  104. Anonymous says:

    Ahhhh well that changes things a little I’d agree, but not enough I’d think it makes a diffrence really. The game is still cartoony and unreal and such and meant to be taken as such. Anyone seriously thinking this game might be trying to insult or demean I’d have to think has a screw loose.

  105. Hannah says:

    That may be true, but quite honestly, from what I’ve seen, most fat chicks have a MUCH easier time finding a date than the average fat man, and I suspect that the fat fetish community is predominantly male.  This could be because women in general have an easier time getting laid, but… just as many men will not date fat chicks, I know I’m not the only girl out there who finds overweight or obese men repulsive.  Sure, I’m less likely to tell a guy that to his face, but he might still suffer as a result. 

    The thing is, that’s life.  I know that a lot of people find me ugly (yeah, I’m thin, but I don’t exactly look like a barbie doll), and I’ve just learned to live with that, enhance what I can, and seek out partners who find me attractive.  Sitting around and whining isn’t productive.  If you’re fat, you have two options: learn to live with it and date the minority who finds that attractive, or get into shape.  Begging society as a whole to change just to accommodate you is not a valid option, especially when you technically are a burden (pun intended) on the system.  People keep telling me how hard it is to find time to exercise and eat right, but I find that I can keep my weight stable by walking to the grocery store (roughly a 10-15 minute walk) every few days, eating lots of fruit and whole grain products, and avoiding fast food like the plague.  Occasionally I even go to the gym at the local community centre.  That’s something that anyone can do.

  106. Anonymous says:

    allow me to retort. I am Fat. 300+ a lil and I’m a gamer. I’ve had all those stares and comments and such. And you know what? They don’t bother me anymore. Because I got over ‘name calling’ being much of an issue because it’s a recourse of people who can’t think of something better to find me ‘wrong’ on. Besides the core of my argument before wasn’t the ‘fat’ part of the issue. It was that if it was men being portrayed this way the objections would be a dull whimper compared to this outraged roar.  I was accusing "feminists" of having a thin skin not fat people.

    And in Honesty most fat people I know arn’t "thin skinned" most of them can take a joke in good humor or an insult meant to hurt and just shrug or laugh where fitting.

  107. L33tminion ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    A point of advice, leave off the "I consider myself a feminist, but."  I agree with the rest of your post and don’t doubt that you are a feminist, but emphasizing it makes you look like a concern troll.

  108. L33tminion ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I should clarify the above in the context of your comment by noting that fat men don’t get it half as bad in terms of the random abuse, IMO.

  109. L33tminion ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    To play devil’s advocate, I find it hard to object to fat people being "thin skinned".  Have you paid attention to how fat people are treated  by strangers (and sometimes even friends)?  I’m not surprised that kind of unprovoked abuse makes people rather jumpy and defensive.

  110. Anonymous says:

    I think what annoys me the most here is some of the previous posts on the "Fat king" or "prince" idea. It’s not that the idea of those things annoys me. What annoys me is they’re right. If it was a fat king or prince there would be little to no outrage at all. It largely sounds to me like a lot of these feminists just have really thin skin when it comes to this kind of thing.

  111. Sai says:

    I consider myself a feminist but these chicks need to learn to choose their battles.

    Why does the mere presense of a fat female character make that one blogger ramble off about how fat women are unloved garbage so why would anyone want to save the fat princess? She’s got some serious issues. So is that the message every time a fat woman so much as appears in media, or is that your own borderline insane self-loathing showing through, lady? If so you’re not really that empowered. I’m comfortable enough in my own skin to say this game doesn’t bother me in the least, although I can’t help but feel just a TAD disturbed about the creepy fetishists it will inevitably attract.

  112. Saladin ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know, I wanted to post to Melissa McEwan, but I can’t bring myself to. It’s just so….. ONE-SIDED & Troll-Filled. The few posters who weren’t trolls and tried to form an opinion were trolled by folks who honestly had nothing to add or debate with. It’s just disgusting in there.

    I’m all for pushing the envelope and providing opinions out the norm, but after reading a vast amount of incredibly immature and biased posts, I just couldn’t do it. I’d like to think of all people I could try to be neutral and start up a dialogue… but DAMN. That won’t be happening anytime soon.

    I’ll let the trolls have this one.

  113. Anonymous says:

     (I’m OP)

    After being somewhat confused about your counterpoints, I reviewed my post and realized that what I said was somewhat vague and could be taken a number of ways. I did not mean to imply that the people in the academic world are somehow more sexist than in anything else, I was referring to the societal bias against women in the hard sciences that girls are subjected to when their interests are beginning to take shape. On the contrary, my experience as a grad student has been wonderful, with the exception of a few isolated idiots.  I agree, the absence of role models for young women in the sciences is a huge factor. I was incredibly lucky in this aspect, my mother’s a biomed researcher with a PhD and a DVM. One of my goals in life (I consider this a feminist action) is to become a mentor for young girls and to encourage them to not fold to the idea that women aren’t supposed to be "nerds." This type of sexism is something I’ve had tons and tons of experience first hand with, from elementary school through high school. Interestingly enough, I’ve had much more trouble being tormented by my female peers than my male peers in this aspect. 

    As to the family comment, you’re absolutely right, it does take two people to start a family. The problem is that men who take on "Mr. Mom" responsibilities are often ridiculed by their peers (sexism goes both ways, something that some feminists tend to forget), and women who spend more time with their career than family are considered bad mothers. It’s unbalanced and an archaic idea, but it persists today.

    In response to your comment on feminism: if this is what the wider view of feminism has become, perhaps it’s time for a more even name (men, in my opinion, experience just as much sexism as women to). I’d suggest "humanitism," but that’s already taken 😉

  114. Nick says:


    You know, when I first saw this game, there was a little voice in the back of my head that thought, for a bizarre abstact moment, that this sort of game could actually break a lot of stereoptypes, possibly illiciting a positive reaction from critics on the feminist front.

    Man, I must have smoked a shoebox full of blow to even believe that for a moment.

    First they were being rescued, and they hated that.  Then they became heroes, and they hated that.  First they were ridiculously thin, and they hated that.  Now we’ve portrayed them as fat, and they hate that.  I now firmly believe that feminists will not applaud a female character in a game unless she is castrating men to complete missions, beating their faces into the ground with bulging sacks of money to score bonus points, and standing atop a mounted pile of their downtrodden bodies, roaring in the credits.

    The worst part of it is that these two women, who appear to be nothing more than jaded misanthropes beating their wardrum and looking for the next imaginary controversy, are actually hindering the quest for equality that many women fight legitimately for each day.  This is the unfortunate backlash of our politically correct time though.  If a man were fattened up in this game instead of a woman, and he went spouting worthless drivel like these women have, he’d be thrown away, keys and all.  But in our modern society, it is perfectly rational for a woman to be allowed to do this, irregardless of how her efforts make a mockery of the legitimate fight for equality among all people.

    I, as a man, firmly believe in equality, and also firmly believe that any woman who genuinely wants to make a difference in the greater struggle for equality should tape these womens’ mouths shut before they can make your fight any more of a joke.

  115. Werrick says:

    1. I haven’t called anyone in here a name. I made a joke about calling the female bloggers a name… though hardly fulfilling the requirements of your accusation.

    2. I HAVE had more success communicating with my cat then I have dealing with the kind of feminists that post the blogs in question. I’m sorry if that reality bothers you, but there it is.

    3. Many feminists do, in fact, have the attitude in question.

    I’m very sorry, but you’ve failed to actually demonstrate anything real here. I stand by my comments. I’m afraid that if you want to attack my position you’ll need to do so by way of another method.

  116. Andy says:

    I’ve been reading the commenta on the blogs that GP has linked and to be honest the impression I got was that the feminists on those sites were very rude and refused to debate with even those who had reasonable and valid points and were being polite.

    I have no qualms about them telling people who are clearly taking the piss to fuck off but to refuse to debate reasonable points shows a narrow-minded and ignorant agenda.


    The very fact that the ‘Fat Princess’ character was designed from the very off by A GIRL shows that these particular feminists do not have a clue what they are going on about.



  117. SounDemon says:

    Does the assumption of being "one of THEM" make it untrue? Also, I love the fact that you only notice one sentence in his post; typical for people with selective knowledge.

    You make broad sweeping statements about the entire gaming community, assuming that every one of us is like those 15-year old squeakers that you hear on Xbox Live; e.g. call everyone who plays video games "Immature twats". You assume that every gamer fits into your misguided notion of the "degenerate Halo monkey"; which I find crass, misguided, stereotypical; and this is from someone who claims to want "equality of the sexes", what you REALLY seem to want is a group which will shelter you from the reality that both males and gamers are real people with real concerns, real desires, real hardships, and real obstacles. You seem to forget this in your overzealous quest for what isn’t truly equality but social dominance; achieved by either manufacturing controversy on your blog only for people who agree with you, or being patronizing with your sexist slang. Have fun being delusional!

  118. Ohma says:

    I’ll spell it out for you, I’m not female. I like that every singe argument I have on GP, invariably someone slips in their assumption that because I’m defending group A/saying that issue B warrents actual discussion/or that the majority of gamers commenting here are fucktards, I must be a woman/black/gay, while simultaniously whinging on about how I’ve steryotped them.

  119. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    That site is fucked up sexist trash.

    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  120. Ohma says:

    [quote]Besides, in my experience, it’s much easier to ignore a fellow human being’s sex, race, etc. when I’m not constantly being reminded of it by misguided individuals who never quite got the memo several decades ago when most real injustices were sorted out.[/quote]

    That’s awfully big of a nazi sympathiser.

  121. Fatty says:

    I am a fat girl and I would play it! Eating too much is a REAL weakness, so it is her weakness! Although I would grow fatter if I were the princess if the enemy offered steak or hot wings or something… cake is so cliche 😛

  122. Anonymous says:

    No. What you’re saying is that somehow I (an 18 yr old white male) deserve being considered a slave driver because a bunch of white people ignored Jim Crow laws? That’s like saying we should all keep Asians out of our towns because the Mongols were Asians.

    What some guys did who happened to be white did years ago has absolutely nothing to do with my character as a person. Should I get reparations from the Italians because my ancestors were conquered by the Romans and crucified en masse?

  123. Father Time says:

    Well you know what they say every stereotype has a grain of truth to it (or in some cases used to have a grain of truth to it).

  124. Anonymous says:

    "the only reason I would appear racist to ANYONE is when I point out that some of the negative stereotypes about certain minorities are true in a lot of cases"

    Examples, please. You can say something like that without qualifying it.

  125. Anonymous says:

    You are a perfect example of not letting go. Who cares who’s in power or whats going on. Treat each person on an Individual basis. I am a white male, and I’ll tell you what, the only reason I would appear racist to ANYONE is when I point out that some of the negative stereotypes about certain minorities are true in a lot of cases. Yet, still, I treat each person as an individual, without any pre-concieved notions about anything. Which is more than I can say about alot of minority individuals. The past is the past, the present is now, lets stop living in the past, like so many people seem to do.

  126. Lasher702 says:

     While you may or may not be right the truth is the power in thies country is primarily held by white men.  Until there is a more equal distribution of power and wealth there will always be one group or another claiming oppression.  It sucks for the poor white man who doesn’t have a say but come on now they sort of blew that oppritunity themselves with turning a blind eye to Jim Crow laws and in some cases orginization of illeagle vigilante groups.

    While the 50s and 60s seems centuries old let us remember that those in power right now are the boomers who were the ones to ignore the wrongs the United States commited back then.

  127. Anonymous says:

    Nooooo… because then you’ll be killin all those rascists as honkeys…

    You know, strictly speaking, I’m getting kind of tired of, in this country, the only people who can’t speak their mind about whatever are ironically and supposedly the race keeping all others down…

  128. BrainRotMenacer says:

    Meh. I don’t get why people freak out about RE5. It’s set in Africa. The zombies are going to be black. If it was set where I’m from, Maine (the whitest state in the US), the zombies would be white. Would it be considered racist then?

  129. Anonymous says:

    You know, we didn’t see the Spanish up in arms about RE4 while Leon Kennedy was slaughtering legions of bewitched Spanish peasants, or white Americans up in arms while Chris Redfield mowed down hordes of white people in, oh, every other Resident Evil game….

    I’m just saying…

  130. Anonymous says:

    Nationalism being evil is very much a debatable topic. I find Nationalism to be a very positive force in the world that works for the greater good of a society, at the expense of other, inferior societies, thus leading to a sort of international natural selection.

    But this is not the place to debate this. I’d suggest finding some political forum and getting all the Nationalism vs Individualism vs Collectivism vs etc etc etc out of you and sticking to that Fat Princess stuff in here.

  131. Neeneko says:

    WWII and the rise of nationalist idiology. 

    Even if the word ment something positive at one time it is now associated with negative behavior in the name of your nation.  So in many ways, something is ‘nationalism’ when it starts becoming unhealthy.  At least from an socio-linguistic perspective, websters probably disagrees.

  132. Father Time says:

    And even not playing isn’t a winning move because then you are succumbing to censorship.

  133. Anonymous says:

     By saying everyone in America you commited a logical fallacy thus rendering your arument moot…

  134. Unruly ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Then that would be construed as racism, because everyone knows it would be making fun of black people and saying that all of them are obsessed with heavy jewelry. And this would be despite the fact that the princess is white.

    Isn’t it just wonderful how you can NEVER win? Its like playing Global Thermonuclear War – The only winning move is not to play.

  135. Anonymous says:

    Someone sure has a lot of bitterness. What’s the matter. Didn’t your mama breastfeed you?

  136. Anonymous says:

    Not to mention that if you do actually act like you are putting them on a pedestal they then bitch about special treatment and how they dont need to be looked at differently. There really is no winning with some women.

  137. L33tminion ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Those darn feminists.  No exaggerated female charicature is good enough for them.

    I bet you they also object to depicting women as uptight, lying bitches and selfless, chaste angels.  Clearly, you can’t win.

  138. Anonymous says:

    Sorry I meant you can’t shoot a black zombie without it being considered racist…….I should really learn that edit feature for posting.  xD

  139. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So what did we learn this year?


    You can shoot a black zombie without it being considered racist and you can’t have a princess with a weight problem because it will apparently be considered chub hatin……wonderful year 2008 has been in the world of video game controversy.  xD


  140. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Yes, there is no winning with Feminists. They think that women should be placed upon some pedistal and worshipped solely because they are a woman.

    Even treating them like on of the guys is belittling to them.

    I am just glad that not all women are feminists.

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  141. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I get tired everyonce in awhile but then I drink a red Bull and I am good to go on the whole OMGWTFBBQ front

  142. jccalhoun says:

    So do white men ever get tired of complaining about how non-whites or women never get tired of complaining?

    Every time gender or race comes up here it is always the same: "OMGWTFBBQ!!! It is just a game!  What are they complaining about!  They are offensive for finding something offensive!"  Yawn.

    I would like to see more acknowledgement that it is possible to have some concerns about a game with out being TEH EVAL


  143. PHOENIXZERO says:

    Even better is that "obesity" is a disease now so they have more of an excuse even though 99% of those that are obese or grossly over weight are the cause of their own doing. But nope, no one can take responsibility for themselves anymore. Is it really any wonder that people here are generally allowing the US to become more and more of a nanny state?

  144. Austin_Lewis says:

    Fucking feminists.  Being fat isn’t a good thing.  I’m sick of this new way of thinking, where ‘fat is beautiful’ is the norm.

    Newsflash:  Fat people are unhealthy.  They put too much stress on their body because they carry around 100 to 700 extra pounds.  They cause health care to skyrocket in some areas, they cause infant mortality rates to skyrocket (fat people have more stillborn and premie children), and they still get special treatment!  In many places, if you’re fat you can get a handicapped sticker so you don’t have to walk more than 20 feet to stuff your face!

    If you look like a wild hambeast, that’s your problem.  But when you get mad because people look down on your inability to do things that other people manage to find time for, like exercise and eat right, then you’re just being a jackass.  It’s the consequence of your inability or unwillingness to maintain some amount of fitness.  Then when you get mad that you’re paying for that extra seat on the airline, you’re just going too far. People shouldn’t kiss your ass because you’re lazy, because you’re too stupid to eat right (and eating right has nothing to do with money, you can eat right for about 2 dollars a day), and because you’re too poorly disciplined to replace that donut or double cheeseburger with a few piece of celery with peanut butter on them.

    Over 60% of Americans are obese, and its this feminist way of thinking that is helping that percentage to continue to rise.  Parents, I encourage you to take your children outside to play.  I know, video games are fucking awesome, trust me.  I get in a good 2 hours of play a day.  But you need to play for at least an hour outside, or we’ll end up a country where a 5 foot 6 inch person weighing 250 pounds is the norm.

    Also, fuck feminists.  You barely had a point years ago, now you’re just looking to start problems where there are none.  You can’t play that ‘women don’t have equal rights and opportunities’ crap anymore, not after what I’ve seen.  When I was young, my mother made 12 million dollars a year as  the head of companies that produced chemicals for shampoo.  Inequality my ass, learn to work for what you want instead of bitching to Affirmative Action that you don’t get into management.

  145. Ace ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Personally I object to feminism. Just as I object to any other group that sets out for equality but ends up somehow going on about how their side is actually "better" than the side they feel is getting the better end of the stick.

    Ofcourse I can only really talk about the local feminist movement, I don’t know anything about the global movement, or if there even is one (Though I bet it exists). But if their local operations are any indication they come off as straight edged male haters. I’m all for equality, but bullying and bullshit arguementation does not endear their cause to me.

    As an example I got called a rapist by a feminist. Not just "a feminist", a active member of their movement, and infact the entire rally at which they were. Why? Because males are the clear majority those who commit sexual offenses. Ergo, me being a guy must mean I’m a rapist.
    Excuse me while I go finish my rape quota for the day.
    Huge posters, fliers, pins and such with the slogan "Men Rape" was spread all over the place. Also spread around were calendars with heartfelt pleas from "Women" to "Men" about stopping domestic abuse, to not do this or that. It’s so inane. If I put up a sign saying "Women Whore Themselves" what does that accomplish exactly? It’s most likely true (doing no research) that the majority of prostitutes are women…and so what? That in no way reflects on women in general, nor does it say anything about the woman sitting next to you. All it would do is attract men who most likely have no respect for women. It’d gather them around so we can exchange manly comments about our latest oppression of women or a racial minority. Then we’d top off the evening with some right ‘ol sexual abuse!

    This is my experience of the feminist movement. The rape thing is especially prominent in my mind since it was when my patience and understanding with them just gave out and I had to speak out.

    Feminism to me is "We want equality, but we all know women are better". If what you want is equality then call it that, call it equality. Be an Equalist. I’ve seen this happen in other things as well. Subject of racial discrimination, where they sound fine at first. And then all of a sudden they draw up all these "facts" and how this or that race is not as good physically or mentally as they are, so discriminating against them, the clearly superior race, is ludicrous.

    And in the end, who really cares about what feminists think? I can certainly agree on some of the things they’re striving for. Equal career, salary and education is just how things "should" be. But it’s this undertone of "you chauvinist bastards" that I take offense to.
    Like the first poster who talks about how nobody loves fat girls. Who the hell is she to say that? What a, excuse my french, bitch. Since clearly anyone slightly over their BMI or that does not look like a cover girl is "fat" I, as a guy, take offense to that statement. Sure, it was meant in a humerous way, but they are the ones now perpetuating this fashion of thin is beautiful and that fat people need to be ignored.

    I was reminded of another incident. There was alot of chatter among feminist around here some time ago about men holding doors for women, offering to take their bags and things of that nature. That this clearly meant that men saw women as being weaker and inferior and thus they needed to help the noobs out. I don’t know, it just sounds polite to me offering to help someone with their bags, be they male or female. Or to hold the door for someone, or to offer someone who is clearly cold your coat. It’s just arguing for arguements sake when you oppose people being polite to you. If you don’t want the coat, fine, reject it. If you don’t want help, fine, reject it. But to say that this means that men in general HATE you and want to discriminate…just makes them weak silly bitches! (oh snap!)

  146. Anonymous says:

     To everyone seething at feminists as a cohesive group…

    At the core of feminism is the simple idea that men and women should be considered equals, and to a wide extent we’ve achieved this. Sure, there’s still sexism, particularly in academia (as a grad student in physics I’ve had piles of experience with that first hand) and compared to many fields of work it’s received comparatively little attention. In the past fifty years, there have been no female nobel laureates in either physics or chemistry, and _never_ any in economics. The debate about why this disparity between men and women in the academic world, particularly in the hard sciences, could provide enough material to last for weeks. Personally, I think it’s a combination of societal conditioning to think men are better fitted for the hard sciences and the simple fact that making a career in academia requires an almost obsessive drive and is not conducive to raising a family at all. Many women-I’d even go as far to say the majority-who consider an scientific career also want children. Working the insane hours required to be successful in such a competitive and stressful field doesn’t allow for this goal that many women put high on their list.

    But I digress… 

    Real feminists don’t go squawking around about a cute, harmless video game. Comparing these nutcases to the wider feminist movement makes about as much sense as comparing every muslim to the radicals who blow themselves up in supermarkets.

    And to the women involved: I’m sure if you look hard enough, you’ll find something worthwhile to do with your time.

  147. Anonymous says:

     (I’m OP)

    Wow… I’ve never had such an experience. 

    The plain truth of the matter is men are subjected to just as much sexism as women, if not more nowadays. I’m a women, so I can’t give personal anecdotes to support that statement, but your story as well as the behavior I’ve observed between my male friends and colleagues lend great support to it. 

    Perhaps it’s time to rename feminism to something that tackles all sexism and promotes people being who they are, rather than something that inspires so much vitriol. 

  148. SS says:

    I completely agree.  It’s impossible to have fat heroines for most games because of all the action.  These feminists are too lazy to excercise and instead they complain about non-issues. 

  149. Matt ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You could make a game where the obese girl "runs" to the end of the driveway, has to stop to catch her breath, then decides it’s "too hard" and the game ends.  That’s realistic.

  150. Hannah says:

    You know, when I first saw this game, I was pleasantly surprised to see an overweight character portrayed in a relatively positive way.  I say relatively because yes, her weight is a negative in that she becomes harder to carry, but the player is not encouraged to in any way judge the her character or desirability as she becomes larger and larger.  Rescuing her is still the object of the game.

    Also, as a few others have pointed out, James Green’s contribution is valid.  He’s not saying that he has female friends, he’s saying that a girl played a key role in the game’s design.  Yes, girls can be sexist (just as homosexuals can be homophobic, Jews can be antisemitic, blacks can be anti-black, etc.), but the odds of it being a calculated attack on women rather than a cute and harmless idea drop considerably.

    Incidentally, while I am female, I’m also quite slim.  Perhaps I am less sensitive to the fat angle than a larger girl might be, but… I don’t think my more objective perspective is necessarily a bad thing.  Objectively, I don’t think the game is an attack on women OR fat people.  It’s cute, it’s silly, and, sure, it plays with stereotypes like any game in its genre, but… not negative stereotypes, in this case.  If you see a fat character and, without any external input, immediately think negative things… well, that says a lot more about you than about the game.

    And for any fat feminists (or other rabidly fat-positive individuals) who might find their way here, how do you want fat women portrayed in games?  No, it’s not enough to just say "positively," because clearly making the fat girl a princess and requiring players to rescue her isn’t good enough.  "Normally" isn’t good enough either — there are plenty of games with overweight NPCs wandering around, and because they typically aren’t mind-blowingly gorgeous, some might view them as a negative portrayal of larger women too.  Do we need overweight or even obese heroines?  And if so, how the hell would we make that work?  A woman who should logically have a hard time running to the end of her driveway will look ridiculous running, leaping, and swinging around as an action hero, and some might see even that as an insult, because they would imagine players laughing at such an improbable heroine.

  151. Anonymous says:

    For a moment, I didn’t realize the OP’s name for this string was "Chickalicious"…

    I was like… "Yep, way to end a smart comment with something that could be contrived as an insult.."


    Lol.. I guess I should Lrn2Read.

  152. lumi says:

    Agreed.  The vast majority of the time, the term "girl" (more often the counterpart of "guy" than "boy" in modern social context) is not derogatory at all.  Hell, you don’t even get the same negative connotations out of "girl" as you get out of "boy" when attempting to use the latter in a derogatory manner (conveyed through tone and inflection of voice).

    Sorry, but you’re taking offense where there’s none to take on this one, Chickalicious.

  153. L33tminion ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think you’re missing something creatively if you think that boring, buxom, and barbie-esque is an exhaustive list.

    How about characters like the main character of this?

  154. Bongotezz says:

    LOL. you make game chicks skinny and busty and hot and feminists complain. you make them fat and they complain. i guess the only way to make them happy is to make boring plain jane female characters. but they’d complain. how about no female characters? nope. they’ll complain. some people just live to complain. spending all their valuable time on things they don’t like.

  155. Arad says:

    At least with your cat you can bribe it with food and shoestrings and they’ll love you forever.  Feminists won’t settle until they’ve claimed your dignity and backbone.

    I’d rather deal with cats than feminists.

  156. Shih Tzu says:





    He could’ve said "woman", but instead he said "girl" as the feminine equivalent of "guy".  (No one says "gal" unless they’re trying to be folksy.)  No sexism here, move along.

  157. sheppy says:

    "Pretty likely is it that the "girl" concept artist is over 25. "

    It is?  Most concept artist usually jump out of school fairly young, many around 20-21, especially in this highly competitive and specialized niche within the industry as a whole.  Not to mention Titan Studios is likely a startup primarily fueled by fresh from college working professionals who depend on these smaller studios for jobs before they can even apply for the larger studios.

    Of course you probably knew all this and wasn’t intending to sound ignorant while making a point… right?

    Or… for fucks sake, we could drop this whole charade and quit looking for controversy where none exists.

  158. Brokenscope says:

    So next time a woman at school refers to me as one of the Boys I should get annoyed? The terms are interchangeable, and unless you have the benefit of hearing someone’s tone of voice its very hard determine how they are using the word girl or boy. Given the context it is a large leap to assume he is using that in a patronizing or derogatory fashion.

  159. Chickalicious says:

    For his part, Titan Studios’ art director, James Green, said in an email to Joystiq:

    Does it make it better or worse that the concept artist (who designed the look, characters, everything) is a girl?

    The game concept is cute. This comment isnt. Pretty likely is it that the "girl" concept artist is over 25.  That’s a woman. I know some men in the industry dont come into contact with them that often, but the underlying concept should be recognizable . . .

  160. Shih Tzu says:

    Yeah, it’s like the criticism of WALL-E for (MINOR SPOILERS?) having ridiculously obese humans in it.  One: of course they were fat and lethargic; did critics somehow miss the extended explanations as to why?  Two: they could have made them objects of ridicule, and yet they explicitly didn’t.  It was a completely sympathetic portrait of people of weight, and people who insist on being offended really need to take a deep breath and get over themselves.

  161. Gene says:

    ‘S human mentality, I suppose. 😉

    – In the beginning, there was nothing. So God started making stuff.

  162. Neeneko says:

    Something I would wonder, is the ‘fat princess’ actually being portrayed in a negative light? Besides being difficult to get back to the castle.

    If she isn’t I would question if this is really ‘fat bashing’ as opposed to ‘they put a fat female in a video game so any portral must be negative"

    Now, onto James Green’s question….. actually it makes it much worse.    If you watch the various waves of feminism, each group tends to save it’s highest scorn for other women who do not meet there specific cultural mindset.  Once the ‘authority of men’ is decreased, since humans are, well, humans, you have a power vacuum that quickly gets filled up with alpha women who, just like thier male counterparts, want a say over how culture pans out.

    A good example is looking at the morality clashes between the ‘sex positive’ 4th wave and the ‘sex negative’ 3rd wave.  The sex negative group heaps piles of scorn on the sex positive group for being ‘the tools of men’ or ‘pandering to men’ etc etc,.. so essentially in fighting for freedom of choice they want to make damn sure that all women choose the model THEY like, otherwise they are traitors.

    Of course, none of this is exclusive to feminism or even liberal movements.

  163. Lord_Fail666 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Look my family is about 70% women 30% men so trust me when i say BUGGER OFF ponygirl so shes fat i’ve got this brilliant idea lets make it so that you starve here instead how about that. after if she can’t be fat lets make her rail thin or i know lets just say hay if you have a problem with the game don’t play and don’t bitch. and another thing RE5 is in africa  so ya black people, just as RE4 was in russia so ya WHITE ZOMBIES so all of a sudden RE crosses the racal barrier and now everyone is racist. pu-lease you people i mean everyone out there right now not one group need to learn that just because there is a location specific race used as the foe dosen’t make the creater racist it means the game is in that area and that is the most likely group to become the foe. leave it at that. END OF STORY!!!



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  164. Werrick says:

    I’ve been trying to "communicate" with "feminists" for 15 years. I’ve had more success communicating with my cat.

    It’s not because these women (yes, almost exclusively women) aren’t smart or well-read, the problem is that they can’t see their own hypocrisy and when you point it out to them they lose their minds.

    I’ll start "communicating" with feminists again when it seems readily apparent to me that that’s actually what they’re interested in, because my 15 years of experience dealing with these people tells me that real communication is the last thing they want. They want to rant and scream and as far as they’re concerned the only "discussion" that’s permitted is simple agreement with whatever self-victimizing hatred they can come up with.

    In other words… we (as in men, largely) are not <i>allowed</i> to "communicate", we are only allowed to shut up and/or agree. That’s it. Anything other than that, anythign even approaching a voice of dissent is drowned in a sea of villification and abuse.

    I’m done with them.

  165. Myranda ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You know what might actually be helpful in this situation? Taking the high ground and inviting Shakes to guest-blog here and open, oh, I dunno, a constructive dialogue on this issue instead of trolling her website. Both sides have been plenty damned obnoxious here — maybe what we all need is more communicating WITH each other instead of hurling invective AT each other.

    M, feminist, gamer, thinks this whole brouhaha is completely idiotic.

  166. Undead Twig says:

    Unlovable human garbage?  Wasn’t that a little harsh?  In fact, I think that was severely harsh.

  167. Anonymous says:

    Feminists amuse me. Wait, no they don’t.

    The "fat princess" idea is a game device. NOTHING MORE. Any attempts to peg any further meaning to having the fatten up an enemy princess so the enemies rescuing her can’t haul her back to their castle is stupid and immature. Especially when the "meaning" being pegged consists solely of "WAH FAT BASHING WOMEN HATERS WAAAH!"

    I would hardly call this a "controversy." More like a few feminist trolls looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of being sexist. What next? Are the health nuts going to start throwing a fit because the game promoted obesity?


  168. Anonymous says:

    2 Things:
    1. You can’t replace it with a chest of gold.  Because the other team would have no interest in stealing another chest of gold if they are already filling their up.
    2. Need you remind these individuals that the teams are TRYING to rescue their princess.  It is not like once the enemies make your princess fat you ignore them and find a sexier princess.  The game concpet is cute and funny for anyone.  Eat it up feminists.. like cake!

  169. BrainRotMenacer says:

    Feminist Gamers’ Mighty Ponygirl: "Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry."

    Right, because when your rival is trying to get a treasure chest, the most logical thing to do is fill it with gold! Maybe you can help them lift it or give them a backrub halfway through to ease their journey.

  170. Jonathan says:

    Don’t they always, I’m refering to game critics in case your wondering.

    Also, I just hate feminists so much.

  171. Doctor Proctor says:

    "but the only thing I can’t figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance"

    And yet, the object of the game is to rescue her…  Me thinks they be missing the point here.

    — "Life’s short and hard, like a body building elf." — The Bloodhound Gang

  172. grls-r-gamers-2 says:

    Seriously, these chicks need to get over themselves.  In case they haven’t heard, having boobs no longer causes us to earn smaller salaries and have fewer rights.  As many feminists are so fond of pointing out, this is the twenty-first century.  True, there is still sexism, just as there is still racism, nationalism, etc., and the sad truth is, there always will be.  The key is fighting discrimination where it really is, and it is not in this video game.

    If anything, maybe this will help girls think twice about starving themselves to get skinny.  Then maybe I can convince the rain to stop and Thompson will give up his crusade (I can hope, can’t I?).

  173. lumi says:

    It’s more akin to Capcom revealing that the designers and script writers for RE5 are African, but yeah.

  174. Pizzª_کLﮞT says:

    wah wah wah wah.


    although i do find this pretty funny:

    For his part, Titan Studios’ art director, James Green, said in an email to Joystiq:

    Does it make it better or worse that the concept artist (who designed the look, characters, everything) is a girl?


    Its like Capcom saying they have black friends.  hopefully it works.  I didn’t even know about this title but know I’m pretty interested.

  175. Neeneko says:

    Pretty much yeah ^_~

    One gains status and power by having others say the same thing.  Being able to claim you speak for a larger group is better then a smaller group, so it becomes important to pain those within your group that are against you as ‘not really speaking for us’ is an important step.

  176. Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I belive that my brain just got fried.

    We cannot rescue a fat princess from an enemy castle because that would somehow be fat bashing?

    Well then, are they not putting forward the belief that fat people are worthless? 

  177. Rabidkeebler says:

    In all honesty, this is worse than the RE5 comments.  In the case of the first person, YOU ARE RESCUING THE FAT PRINCESS!  If you really hated her you would never rescue her and thus the game would never end.  The second person "ponygirl" ignores the fact that, if you replace the princess with gold, it removes an important peice to the game itself, rendering it boring, or without some interesting point to it. 


    On a side note, when you go to those pages and read everything (including comments) then you feel a little bit of pitty for those two ladies….until you start to read their comments in response to genuine people commenting about their dissenting opinions.  Those two ladies are as bad as any troll I have seen in a while, especially because they have Mod priveleages. 

  178. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Lord knows if it was skinny annorexic supermodel Princess they would be complaining its showing girls that you have to be skinny to be considered pretty….



  179. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Yay for Feminists!! Gotta love people who seek controversy. Good old made up controversy.

    I also love the fact that one of the key people in making the game is a woman. Good stuff.

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