Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence, Fallout 3, Rape in Games

July 25, 2008 -

A panel of Australian politicians and pundits made a sorry show of themselves on ABC's Q&A program last night.

The rampant cluelessness begins when an audience member (sporting a Fallout 3 t-shirt) raises the issue of banned video games due to Australia's lack of an R18+ rating. The announcer mentions the recent Fallout 3 ban, which was based on in-game drug use.

The panel's answers are astounding. Aside from their immediate willingness to censor games, they seem not to even be aware that Australia has a system for rating games. One member of the panel even raises the spurious "rape in games" issue - and almost seems to compare banned games to snuff films. Only Sen. Mark Arbib comes across as unbiased:

Announcer: Okay, so here's the question... Should there be censorship of these things, or should people over the age of 18 be able to buy these things with an R rating and play them, even though, as we've just heard, they're obviously extremely violent?

Chief Executive of the Australian Industry Group, Heather Ridout: Look, I mean if they're over 18, they'll find one way or another to get hold of it, Tony, and they do. But, as a mother of three kids, two of whom spend an awful lot of time playing these sorts of games, I mean I just find the whole thing appalling, the minds that come up with this stuff. Now Grand Theft Auto is one of the more famous games that seemed to turn everyone into a car thief, you know?. My Jordan thankfully didn't do that. But... I mean I'm not a censorship girl... But violent games, violence breeds violence. It's not nice.

Senator Nick Xenophon: I think we need to listen to the psychologists who've looked into this. And this is different in the sense it's interactive. People get immersed in these games and I think there's a real risk. I think as a society we can live without it.

Announcer: But does the risk warrant censorship?

Sen. Xenophon: Look, I think it does, when you look at some of the concerns of what it can trigger in some minds, then I think we need to be just a bit cautious about it.

Sen Mark Arbib: To actually ban them they must be terrible games. So, personally, I'm probably thinking R rating over the age of 18 is fine because as you said, if you wanna play to game, you're going to get it somehow. But I haven't seen the games so I really can't judge whether they should be banned or not.

Announcer: ...these things are being banned because there isn't a rating system on video games... that means anyone of any age can buy them...

Sen. Arbib: As I said, I think there's a strong argument to actually have a rating system, for all games, no doubt about it. And not just an R rating, but ratings just the same as ratings for the movies... so yeah...

Sen. Barnaby Joyce: You can't just say you can see it, therefore you should be allowed to see it, otherwise you legalize snuff movies and all sorts of profane things which I don't think take our society ahead... we had the thing with avatars, is that the right term, where people can actually go out and rape people. Now, this is not acceptable. You have to draw a line... you must take into account... those who are vulnerable to influence, how they would be affected by that. And if you don't, well you suffer what comes next. I, too have four kids... I want these kids to grow up in quiet, unaffected streets. And if there's someone playing a video game where they're raping someone, I'm not feeling good about the place, so, knock it out.

Christine Jackman, Journalist: I agree, we urgently need a rating system. I'm not a pro-censorship person, either... (to the audience member in the Fallout 3 t-shirt who asked the question) Can I throw it back on you... why would you want to play it...?

Audience member: I want to play the game because it's a story-driven experience that you could experience in a movie... however the Australian government won't let me.

Christine Jackman: And how many hours do you think you or your friends would be playing those games a day?

Audience member: It differs between everyone... the average gamer is anyone nowadays. The Queen has a Wii... it's not a question of who's playing them or how long they're playing them, it's a question of whether we're allowed to as adults...

Other audience member: ...I'm not a gamer, but in terms of restricting people's right to choose... how can you make that distinction between pokies [slot machines] and games which might be socially unacceptable when gambling itself, in our society in particular, has so many social problems than what might be caused by violent games? 

GP: Thanks to reader Michael 'sod' Pearse for the heads-up!

Comments

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

It's a good thing they've never play a game called Rapelay, they'd have a corinary if they saw that in action.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

wow this was a disturbingly unfunny example of just how clueless people that run our nations really are. Trouble is, its everywhere now, Games legislation is starting to creep into British politics too, i find this very worrying, just recently our gutless excuse for a prime minister had a meeting with a mother whose son was apparently murdered due to his (already severely mentally disturbed) friend playing manhunt, in this meeting she urged him to ban violent video games. I pray to god that this never happens. By the way the media presents all this crap you'd have thought that given my age i'd have committed at least 3 murders by now considering my age and the games i play, add to that the fact that i am tormented regularly at school... thank heavens for gun control laws eh? If not for them god knows what i'd do... Seriously though this is a worrying example of ignorance in the corridors of power.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Australia keeps losing.  Its a shame the government chooses to interfere with violent video games when other violent media isnt similarly restricted/censored/prohibited.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

honestly, they try to base censoring these games completely because of the handful of people who are supposedly influenced by these enough to actually go out and do them. they fail to realize the number of people who also play these and dont do anything wrong, succesful contributing members of society who may also enjoy blowing stuff up in a virtual world while theyre bored. if the few selected crazies are enough to completely censor these games, then shouldnt guns be gone as well. crazy people that mis use guns exist. and alcohal and cars and so many more things. they only have this view on games based on their ignorance to them

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

It's often said that the older generation don't "get" video games, and think they're just for children.

Originally I thought that was a bit of an exaggeration. But now I see that it is not. I am surprised to see that otherwise intelligent people are so dismissive of something they're ignorant about. Moreover, they relish their ignorance of it.

By all means take a stand against an R rating for games, but please at least have some knowledge about games and gaming -- or be willing to learn.

As an Australian, I find it frustrating that we'll have to wait until gamers are old and grey enough to be "in charge" before this willful ignorance starts to evaporate.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Okay, I wrote to everyone involved that I could find an email address for, and so far Heather's replied.

She was courteous about the whole thing, and I pointed her at some data and material to read concerning game ratings in Australia and she assured me she'd try to be more informed about the subject in future.

I guess the thing to remember about all this is that pretty much no-one on this show has anything to do with the games industry and as such relies on a lot of what they hear in the media. As a result, the opinions that were point forward were of 'everyday people', the only problem was that others would potentially listen to this and feel it's an informed viewpoint.

But yes, if you have problems with something someone repeats on TV (Especially if it's a opinion/talk show where prior planning cannot be expected), try to inform them. They're not bad people, they just didn't know what we do about all this. Let's teach 'em rather than calling them idiots, eh?

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For people who pride themselves on their alleged awareness of contemporary issues to the Australian public (ie. the panelists) there is absolutely no excuse for the extent of the ignorance displayed here. If the statistics are correct approximately 1 in 5 Australians are gamers, not a minescule group by any stretch of the imagination.

Idiotic? Perhaps not.

Disturbingly unaware? Undeniably.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

As Funky J from Kotaku.com.au said:

I find it appalling that the CEO of an organisation that is meant to help Australian businesses run "more effectively and to become more competitive on a domestic and international level" is so clueless about one of the few entertainment industries that isn't sinking into the quagmire of global dept.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Just by watching this I think my IQ has dropped 15 points.  These morons think that the right thing to do is to just outright ban games that they don't think is appropriate?  I really feel sorry for the australians missing out on Fallout 3 just because their government doesn't think its appropriate.  And what the fuck was that first guy talking about?  There's nothing in fallout that you inject into your arm!  Thats fucking bioshock!  (Which they banned to)

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Bioshock isn't banned in Australia. You have been misinformed.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Wow, just remembered why I haven't voted in ten years.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

So why didnt audience members start handing out pitchforks and flaming torches? because the only thing I heard during all of that was the beating of the Witch-hunt drum.  Then again, I've always known this would be an uphill battle

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

not knowing anything about fallout 3, he described bioshock o_o

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

To equate video games to snuff films is just like comparing it to child porn. It completely misses the point and is such a flawed analogy it's almost sad.

Snuff films and child porn actually HURT people in their production. Snuff films (which don't actually exist according to snopes.com) involve killing an actual breathing person. Child porn that involves real kids (as opposed to drawings or computer generated images) invovles the sexual molestation/abuse/something of kids. Video games don't do anything like that.

And so what if some people can't handle the R rated games are we to ban them from everyone just because a couple of idiots can't tell they're fake? Are you going to do the same thing with books and movies?

A great man once said

"Censorship is like saying a man can't have steak because a baby can't chew it."

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Aside from "Custers Revenge" from the 80s, there are games that have rape in them.  They're just, you know, not sold to the mass market.  Rape sometimes is used in those hentai games out of Japan.  Of course, very few of them ever get translated, and you won't find them at any store or at any reputable website (like Amazon.com or gamestop).

But they do exist.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Do you really think those are the games that these politicians are talking about? They didn't even know their own continent had a rating system! They probably don't even know where Japan is!!!

Saying that rape games exist is a pointless statement whenever 98% of the population dosent know about them or play them.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Another thing it's fair to point out is how these politicians seem to think they're a law unto themselves; two pro-censorship pollies (Harradine and Draper) used to hold video nights for unrated (ie illegal) movies. That being the case it's entirley possible Joyce has been playing unrated rape games...for research purposes only,  of course.


 

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Grats Dennis, this story got Farked! (www.fark.com)

You even have your own button linked next to any stories they post from your site....awesome for traffic.

And wow, WTF? Tese Aussie's really are out of touch. Someone ought to slap them upside the face for being so damned clueless. What a pack of morons.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I actullay got a headache from watching this. I'm serious. I also didn't know that aussie politicians are this clueless. America has is worse with dumber politicians.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

By the way, does morphine use really warrant a RC rating?  That seems a bit harsh.  Why did they ignore earlier games like the Half Life series.  Did they do this because of political pressure?  It looks like that.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Joaby mate it was really unfair they treated you on that show and it just made me realise just how little the people in power and the australian public knows about the whole R18+ issue. i think a good idea to  get our point across would be through the media; newspapers, tv, magazines even to post flyers around town. something needs to be done about this as it seems we are going nowhere. the fact you we able to get your opinion on Australia TV is pretty impressive you must have the right contacts however its really disappointing that your issue wasnt really given an educated debate.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I should also point out that my question was edited by the producers of the show to make it "TV friendly" - something I had no issue with at the time as I was under the impression that I wasn't about to be shafted on national television.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

This just shows how the media loves to be biased whenever it feels like it needs to.  That show is definately not a people to politician forum but just a place for the politicians to spout out any piece worthless crap they want.  The way the host talked about Fallout as just "you kill everybody" was extremely biased and I would have had trouble too to reply back with anything other than what you said.  The attack would have caught anybody there in your situation of guard.  Good try but the show was amazingly biased and off-topic and you had no chance of success.

 

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I am the person who went on the show, and I feel it is important (and my right) to clear up some misconceptions people are having about what occured. I know I dropped the ball on the show somewhat - answering yes to the first question was a mistake. There was a lot of background noise (it becomes audible in the show when I get my second chance to speak) but in reality I should have jumped at the opportunity to explain what the game is about straight away.

Unfortunately, after talking to the producers and people organising the show I was given the impression that not only did the panel intend to discuss the situation properly, but that they wouldn't be deliberately misrepresenting the game. I guess I thought the host wouldn't lead the first (and probably least qualified person on the entire board) panellist directly away from the topic and into a discussion about violent video games in the space of a sentence.

So I made a huge mistake there. But I'd like to clear up the idea that I could have stood up at any time and corrected anyone. You'll see me sitting with my hand up waiting to speak - talking over others is only allowed if you're sitting on the panel. Before the show it was articulated over and over that if you yell out and speak out of turn you would not get any face time on the camera again. It was important that I sat and waited for the opportunity to speak - unfortunately when it came it was through questions which I tried to use to turn the topic of conversation back on track - to no avail.

The audience member who spoke after me was a plant there to talk about the subject of gaming machines (pokies) because Senator Xenophon was elected solely thanks to his anti-pokie stance and he's a one track record. The audience member made a good point anyway.

Walking out of the studio was the first time I got a chance to speak my mind, and I let the producer I talked to have it. But obviously that's not enough. Two people who had the opportunity to ask their questions even vocalised on their way out that they thought I got utterly shafted - once again great for my temper at the time but utterly worthless in the grand scheme of things. Anyway, I don't think it has to be counted as a loss. It highlights how ignorant the general public is on the issue, and that at least gives us an idea of how to combat the issue.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

What really should have been said is this:

What is your position on introducing an adults only
classification for video games? Video games are no longer exclusively a child's medium for they have advanced far beyond the days of Space Invaders and Pacman. The gaming industry, a multi-billion dollar industry in 2008, is now on par with the film industry and boasts the maturity to be treated as such. The vast majority of games currently prohibited for sale in Australia contain content no worse than what can be seen in any given R18+ or even MA15+ film. We aren't talking about games containing rape scenes lacking context or child pornography. We are merely speaking of games with mature driven story lines and other overly mature elements which would not even draw near the banned category within a film or book. Why would I want to play such games? The same reason I want to watch such films; to be entertained. One may bring forth the notion that games should be 'treated differently' due to their interactive nature, however such a notion can be counted by highlighting the fact that there as many studies concluding the opposite of such an assumption as there are supporting such an assumption. Therefore how does one proclaim either point to be factual? In my opinion, which side of the debate you take depends largely upon
bias. Therefore I am of the opinion that we should treat games the same as we do films, books and music until further notice; implement a classification which restricts such products to adults to enable the people themselves to make a choice - either  use the product or don't. Arbitrary censorship has no place in a liberal democracy such as Australia.

Don't you feel it's extremely hypocritical to allow the sale of movies containing non bona-fide real world violence, r@pe, drug usage and other gratuitous subjects, as well as supporting the legalization of gambling and prostitution, yet outright banning the sale of mature video games aimed at an adult audience? Furthermore, why does the government constantly perpetuate the "SAVE THE CHILDREN" idea and use it as reason to keep 18+ video games banned, whilst totally ignoring the fact that strip clubs, the sale of alcohol and cigarettes remains legal in Australia? Is the government truly telling it's citizens that such things are potentially more harmful to minors and society a like than a video game? Australia now remains the only Western nation on Earth without an 18+ classification for video games. Such legally enforced systems exist around the globe. Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Singapore and many other nations have all successfully implemented such a rating without descending in anarchy. What makes Australia so different in this respect? Many such games are already available in Australia because they have been shoehorned into the MA15+ category, so basically by disallowing an R18+ rating you are to some extent, actually inadvertently making it easier for minors to play these games.


In the end, by disallowing such a prospect you are restricting the growth of
the local video game industry and enforcing a nanny state ideology.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

They dont even know theres a ratings system....

Typical Australian politicians.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

*cries*

I suddenly feel ashamed to be a gamer in Australia.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Keyword is suddenly, when was there ever a gamer who was proud to name Australia their home?

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

How hard is it to NOT COMMENT on something that you know NOTHING ABOUT.

IDIOTS.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

...They seem to think that Jack Thompson was right. It's so funny, yet it hurts my head when i realise that they are not joking.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

good on ya Mark Abib, the only sensible one there, he has the view of the public in his mind and at least has the decency to same he had never played the game. Baranby Jocye; "snuff films" "rape games" WTF are you taking about. i commend the host for bringing up the average age of gamers in AU.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I was peripherally involved in this debacle. The ABC (the australian television network that runs this show) contacted me looking for someone to ask this question. The guy who asked is in fact a friend of mine who works for a large gaming website in Sydney. and is a passionate devotee of "the cause".

My own response as an Australian gaming journalist and self-proclaimed expert on this subject is at http://www.australiangamer.com/news/1177_a_swing_and_a_miss_for_the_abc.... and point for point argues against the statements made on the show.

The original questioner, Joab Gilroy, responded here: http://www.gamearena.com.au/news/read.php/4750383?latest=1

It's worth a read just to see how much some of us Australian video games players (and journos) really care about this issue. We're trying to change it, but do you see what we're up against?

 

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

If your raping people and stealing cars on video games, your not doing it for real.  Whats the hype about.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Nuh uh! Everyone knows games are real! I totally met Dante and Master Cheif once at the MacDonalds!

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

do any of these clowns have books we could rate down for general stupidity of authors?

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Someone also posted a massive rant and emailed it to Logan Booker who posts for kotaku.com.au

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/07/watch_how_misinformed_australia_i...

I'm tempted to write a few letters to each of the members of the panel to explain the whole system to them and also list some of the major games that were banned and explain why they should not of been banned.

-sod

 

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

How can anyone take those politicians serious? The violent video games argument has gone crazy. Potential violence? What potential violence? Why would we want to play Fallout 3? Geez, I could go any angle with those IDIOTS!!! People like them piss me off!!!!

 

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Hollllly......Shit! My head almost exploded and I had to stop reading after the first idiot, Heather Ridout, not the announcer, spoke. These people made our stupid politicians look like f'ing rocket scientist and sensible in comparison!

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

They should have gone ahead and done it anyway. Actually, while they were at it, they should have thrown rocks.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Whoa, those audience members sure had a lot of self control to not call the panel a bunch of ignorant morons.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

SO. MUCH. EVIL.

I'm getting real tired of this, if they're not even going to try and stay up to date then they don't deserve to have jobs.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Uh, wow.  I really haven't read anything like that since recorded writings of the Salem Witch Trials.

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"""Heather Ridout:
I mean I'm not a censorship girl... But violent games, violence breeds violence. It's not nice."""
Of course not your a censor whore... you believe that you and yours in power have the right to tell everyone what they may or may not see beyond reasonable limits.


""Senator Nick Xenophon: I think we need to listen to the psychologists who've looked into this. And this is different in the sense it's interactive. People get immersed in these games and I think there's a real risk. I think as a society we can live without it.""
Hate to bring the bearer of bad news their nicky but because its interactive its less immerseve, at least most NON mind raping stuides lean in this direction...

'''Sen. Xenophon: Look, I think it does, when you look at some of the concerns of what it can trigger in some minds, then I think we need to be just a bit cautious about it.''''
The "concerns" amount to  moralists not wanting such things in their lil world and bad parents who do not want to teach their kids about reality or crazy people who are already crazy doing something from something they saw because they are crazy...........

"""Sen Mark Arbib: To actually ban them they must be terrible games. So, personally, I'm probably thinking R rating over the age of 18 is fine because as you said, if you wanna play to game, you're going to get it somehow. But I haven't seen the games so I really can't judge whether they should be banned or not."""
Wow....so if they burned books on a pyre you'd just follow the herd off the roof and say burn them the state of propaganda is good enough for sustenance of the soul?

"""Sen. Arbib: As I said, I think there's a strong argument to actually have a rating system, for all games, no doubt about it. And not just an R rating, but ratings just the same as ratings for the movies... so yeah..."""
A clue...there is a game rating system only it dose not allow R rated games because its flawed....

"""Sen. Barnaby Joyce: You can't just say you can see it, therefore you should be allowed to see it, otherwise you legalize snuff movies and all sorts of profane things which I don't think take our society ahead... we had the thing with avatars, is that the right term, where people can actually go out and rape people. Now, this is not acceptable. You have to draw a line... you must take into account... those who are vulnerable to influence, how they would be affected by that. And if you don't, well you suffer what comes next. I, too have four kids... I want these kids to grow up in quiet, unaffected streets. And if there's someone playing a video game where they're raping someone, I'm not feeling good about the place, so, knock it out."""
Then all R rated  matireal is equal to snuff films..... and slotting media into ago ranges IS the way to protect the populace from questionable but not ileagel forms of media to ban it and think it dose not exsist is to see it being snuck in through every import shop of the nation and thus no one is being protected or guided...

"""Christine Jackman, Journalist: I agree, we urgently need a rating system. I'm not a pro-censorship person, either... (to the audience member in the Fallout 3 t-shirt who asked the question) Can I throw it back on you... why would you want to play it...?"""
You have one and yet you will not ban..er "gather" together to make it slot R rated games as well, and to ask why would you want topaly it I would ask you why do you watch TV or listen to the radio or go to the moives what a popumuos and out of touch question to ask.

 

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Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Man the guy with the fallout T-shirt looks real pissed off when they start talking crap about gaming.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

My brain hurts after listening to them. I am pretty sure that my life is worse off just for hearing their voices.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I'm not suprised at the level of ignorance of these pols.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

Oh how triumphent are the misinformed!

 

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Wow. That's really all I can say right now.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

That is mind-blowing.  This was on ABC?  They should be ashamed of themselves.

This was like...something Fox would do.

Re: Clueless Aussie Politicians on R Ratings, Game Violence,

I think this was another ABC, not the one here in the states.

 
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james_fudgeNeo_DrKefka agreed.10/23/2014 - 2:42pm
prh99Saddly Ubi has locked AC:Unity to 900p on consoles at least and 30fps for everything in the name of parity, and in the case of latter issue for a "more cinematic" feel.10/23/2014 - 2:36pm
PHX Corpa little PSA, Tonight is SSB4WiiU's turn at the nintendo direct at 6pm edt http://www.twitch.tv/nintendo I will be also hosting the Stream on my Twitch.tv page http://www.twitch.tv/trustygemtwitch10/23/2014 - 2:27pm
Andrew EisenBayonetta 2 allegedly banned in Saudi Arabi (but not Bayonetta 1). http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91759010/23/2014 - 2:26pm
prh99Not surprising, it's their MO. I don't think there really much more to be said for GG's values at this point.10/23/2014 - 2:24pm
Neo_DrKefkaPlaces like TheRalphRetort are trash10/23/2014 - 2:02pm
Neo_DrKefkaBoogie who stood on the fence trying to find a neutral ground and peace was called out for the RalphRetort and called evil for doing so but when Boogie was doxxed and came into the folds of GamerGate all of a sudden he is forgiven.10/23/2014 - 2:02pm
Papa MidnightBut it's not about harrassment (http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10/23/3583347/felicia-day-gamergate/).10/23/2014 - 1:58pm
Papa MidnightIn other GamerGate news, Felicia Day (gamer and actress (Eureka, Supernatural), posted her concerns about GamerGate. Doxxed within the hour.10/23/2014 - 1:58pm
 

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