Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits Lead Him to Kill?

July 30, 2008 -

Jim Adkisson, the man who carried out a horrific church shooting in Knoxville on Sunday, is apparently a fan of conservative pundits Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity.

The Knoxville News-Sentinel reports that investigators found books written by all three while searching Adkisson's home. The 58-year-old killer told police that his rampage was sparked by feelings of outrage over liberalism.

So, did the conservative writings whip him into a killing frenzy?

It's a stupid question, of course. But if Adkisson was 40 years younger and the cops found Grand Theft Auto 4 and Halo 3 in his room, would some conservative pundits - or perhaps their game-hatin' guests - be speculating that the killer "trained" on video games?

You bet they would.

Overcompensating has a great comic on this...


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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Isnt there a difference though, Those books and such preach that liberalism is a mental diesase and the world is better off without them.

Where in games does the games "Preach" to you that certain groups of people are a diesase on human kind.

 

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Here is the rub my friend in that it is a matter of interpretation just as some incorrectly view the message of Resident Evil 5 for example so do you the message of this literature.  I am of course assuming you have read the books and have a stack of quotes at the ready. 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Isnt there a difference though, Those books and such preach that liberalism is a mental diesase and the world is better off without them.

Where in games does the game "Preach" to you that certain groups of people are a diesase on human kind.

 

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Somehow,I can see the left jumping on this like a wolf on steak,ya know,so as to get the "hate radio"outa here.Just another way to try to re impose the Fairness Doctrine,so it makes sense that they would exploit this.

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Wait, did I read that right?

He's concerned about LIBERALISM so he shoots up a CHURCH.

Isn't the church supposed to be the major bastion of conservatives in the US? Or at least that's what most of the blogosphere rants I read would lead me to think up here in Canadaland.

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It wasn't the type of "fire and brimstone conservative" church that we would see on TV. This was one of those churches who were more accepting of homosexuality and have a more open mind towards other things than other ones would be. I think this must be one of them that is more to the side of "non-denominational"(sp?) than denominational (Catholic, Presbytrarian (which I should add JT is part of, and because they believe in pre-destination (I think that is what it is called), that is possibly why he thinks he will never go to hell, no matter how many sins he commits), Baptist, etc.).

Either way, really boneheaded thing that this guy did. I hope he truely gets what he deserves, as anyone who kills anyone for their lifestyle choices really is in my opinion, out of touch with the world. I wonder though if this guy was part of any hate groups though, such as the KKK (I don't think they're very accepting of homosexuals or anything that is different from them (white, prostestant, born in the US and straight)), Sons of the Gestpo or something like that. I havn't read any of those writings by O'Reilly or Hannity, but I do watch their TV shows, while I find O'Reilly to be more of an attempt to be centered (though he sometimes fails miserably and ends up looking like a Right Wing Loon with the namecalling and yelling), he doesn't cause me to Cringe as much as Hannity does, to me, it feels like watching a Hitler speech to an extent.

 

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It was a church that allowed all types of people. that are usually damned by conseratives gays, womans rights etc.


 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I bet Fox News won't mention this.

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Has anyone noticed that you CANNOT find any article on this on the fox news channel website? i tried a ton of searches and nothing comes up.

Bit odd that isn't it? i know it involves two of their pundits but they cant just bury their head in the sand and pretend it never happened can they?

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

It's Fox News. Of course they can.

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Yeah the only thing  "fair and balanced" about Fox is their conservative leaning and propaganda.

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Insightful article, Dennis. Really, it is ironic that the people who often blame the media, most notably video games, for violent crimes, might very well have influenced this killer.

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Kudos Geoff (waaay the hell up there in the comments), fairly worded and transmitted about this.

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Irony

His rampage will more likely serve to further strengthen the resolve of that church then get them to swap positions.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

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http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=646891&page=7

This thread from Hannity's website just goes to show you the kind of anti-gaming vitriol that all conservatives have, though it does look a little familiar... =

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

hannity's only on the record comments about games, that I can find atleast.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/01/03/unlike-bill-oreilly-sean-hannity-...

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Well, there's Rush Limbaugh's comments from after the VA Tech shootings. Not the same as the Hannity story but not anti-videogame either.

 

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/04/18/rush-limbaugh-pooh-poohs-video-ga...

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Wow, it's almost embarassing how the O'Reilly fans completely missed the point of the article.

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I could stand almost enjoy O’rilye before he became a uber  right wing hate monger, maybe 2-3 years into his radio carrier he just started to shovel the reaper(republican) BS  the rest of the radio meat puppets do.

 

But the question is…why is the article even posted here?

I can just barely see it, using this as a example of how the “blame game” on games works..but still….something feels amiss…

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i believe that the reason this article is posted  is to show that the political/news/JTs view that video games are the source of almost all violence and that they are constantly looking for that as a source is wrong. i mean JT was threatening schools if they didnt tell him if video games were "involved".  these people constantly claim that games are a burden on society, just  look at what JT said about that kid that killed himself, and about the people tryin to talk him out of it. these people view games and gamers as evil, and this goes to show that we are not the only evil, if anyone is to be even blamed as evil. the people who commit these school, church, mall wherever shootings, or even smaller crimes like stealing a car, are going to anyway. no video game or media or anything influenced them. someone who is crazy enough to kill random students at their college has deeper problems than kicking back in the afternoon playing GTA or Halo.

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Because, sadly, Fox News won't carry it, CNN has been quiet on the story as is MSNBC last time I checked. It seems the only way to get news anymore is in the blogosphere.

And I don't believe he deserves the death penalty. I believe he needs life imprisonment. I think we need to post his face on a billboard across the street from Fox News. They inspired the hate, and they should be reminded of it.

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"And Videogames made the young man shoot up the college" you see where you fail?

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You have to admit that connecting this man's act to the conservative pundits has more weight than connecting most crimes to video games.

Although in both cases the ultimate responsibility rests with the individual who chose to commit these acts (but that might be debatable).

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No you don't.  That is the whole point of this article. 

and your second point is not debatable.

GP should change the title to:

"Hyperbolic example to illustrate the absurdity of those who would call for game restrictions based on ideas that are not condusive to self-responsibility or readily available facts, though it should be noted that only one of the following people to be mentioned has ever said anything that could be interpeted as anti-game and to that end it is more a commentarty on those who I can only assume to be fans of these people ie Jack Thompson and to that end is not to condem or call for the censorship of any and all conservative media" 

you might want to parse it down...

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So are you saying the three people whom he idolized who one of them has gotten quite famous for his "talk" about groups and borderline "Itd be ok if they all die". Than goes ahead and says he didnt say that. Are not at fault? Than that would Hitler not at fault for brainwashing people either. Theres a difference between someone preaching that the world is better off without a group of people and that those people are a diesase than when a video game shows violence. It most often doesnt sit there and preach to the player everyday for years telling them "Facts" that are lies about people who they live around and effects their everyday lives. Next your going to say what the atlantia olympic bomber said why he did it wasnt true either. That he thought them as a diesase.

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People like you Anonymous keep people like Jack Thompson in business

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Did you read all the comments, Jaberwock for example, start there

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I was referring to the dipshits who reacted as if it were a legit call for censorship, and not just simply pointing out the fundamental flaws of the 'blame the media' arguement. Jabrwock's first comment looked like he was calling BS on the liberal bias complaint, so I assumed he wasn't a kneejerk blind defender.

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Why is this here? it has no connection to games…or game centric politics..I mean I is as much as a lefty on most issues as most here…but come on people….

I mean IMO the Cryisis thing where the devs claimed piracy was the reason they are no longer making exclusive PC titles and blaming the magical one eye/legged bandit  (not once mind you BUT TWICE!) for so much when the game did well enough(and any piracy involved only mirrored the popularity of the game), the reason why it could not do better is because they made the game for a niche in a niche, and in order to explain the switch to watered down console gaming away they concoct the  “pirates are stealing mah children“ shill and merely say its economics and how the modern industry works (In order to get the best looking game we can make to the most people we have to dumb it down and go console.)!

 

 

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Hope you guys are having fun with this because it's looking beyond stupid, as if it's the evil Republican "conservative monsters" that have been working to get videogames under government control for the last decade and a half. Let's ignore that it's still a majority of "liberal" Democrat, nanny state loving asshats   like Leeland Yee, Hilary Clinton and former Governor Elliot Spitzer, that have been trying to pass unconstitutional legislation against the industry, usually while being more than happy to receive campaign contributions from Hollywood. There's plenty of assholery to go around both sides. Taking any joy in this story is ALMOST as bad at JT getting a proverbial hard-on after every school shooting or other tragic event involving a teenager.

 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

This guy's got the right idea, nothing like a horrible tragedy to play "gotcha" politics. 

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Well the Dims don’t have a wide spread propaganda machine dispensing tant amount to hate speech over the air waves to not only gays but libs, women and anyone else that don’t follow in tier vein of hypocrisy.

 

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Oh, they do, they just use it for their own agendas. Well, outside of talk radio, the right owns that. There's Fucktard News and CNN with their idiots trying to be Fucktard News Jr.... How often have you listened to Hannity, Limbaugh, Michael Reagan (never listened to him nor looking to) O'RLY or Glenn Brick (haven't heard him on the radio either)? I haven't heard O'RLY in years though at the very least when I did he was a lot more reasonable on the radio that the annoying TV program where it does his talking over and interupting guest thing that the idiots on TV always love to do.

 

There are plenty on the left that are just as bad, it's a two way street. Plenty of hypocrites on both sides as well.

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I don't see CNN as much as libareal as "entertianment news" with a PC bent, the fundies have more open air broadcast venues than the left dose, the left dose have some but are mostly mainstram and centric compared to the crazy lefties and righties.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Bill O'Reilly drives people crazy.

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I've heard one of those guys mentioned in the story on the radiio, and he was just annoying. Lot's of logical errors like claiming that the rich should pay less taxes because that will let them pay the more to the poor people who work for them. My uncle is rich (I'm from the poor side of the family). He got rich by paying poor people less, and if he paid less taxes, he wouldn't pay poor people more, he would keep the money, or buy another yacht. It seems like defective people would be the only ones following them.

What the article is pointing out is the different way that the media is handling this, even though it parallels similar shootings that were handled differently. If he was younger, and everything else was the same, they would still point the finger at violent games, if not for the motive, then for the means. They would claim that he trained on the violent games to be better abled to kill the people at this church.

Another difference is no one is blaming either the books or the authors of these books. I'm not saying they should be blamed. Rather I'm saying that if GTA IV had been found, both the game and the developer would be blamed for the murders, and possibly also Sony and Microsoft. In previous examples, not only were they blamed by the media, someone actually had the gall to take them to court (and lose). Also, in other cases, the shooter was treated as a victim, they are often assumed blamless but twisted by the vil media to perpetrate the crime. However this time the guy is assumed to be off his rocker, as these book scouldn't possibly be at fault.

We are only looking for a little balance. In a world where Batman Dark Knight gets a PG-13 rating but has (redacted for spoilers) but Halo3 gets rated M for mature for alien gore, but Men in Black didn't get rated R? A little equality is all we ask. Rate games the same as movies, if not the same as books.

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If you want balance then maybe the MPAA should start rating video games or the ESRB should start reviewing movies. They're two different organizations with their own criteria for rating, a Halo movie would only get a PG-13 without content/violence not being toned down. I'm going to refrain from going on about how annoyed I've become with people complaining and asking how The Dark Knight was "only rated PG-13" when the reason it was is obvious, not to mention the other bitching about it's not a kids movie. The Dark Knight obviously didn't qualify for an R Rating because it either didn't cross the line or have enough instances to do so. Not to mention almost all if not all the violent scenes aren't graphic and there's almost no blood. There's also no swearing outside of "son of a bitch" being used once, there might have been another instance that I'm forgetting but it's not one of the "major" words either which can still be used under a certain number, maybe only once for PG-13 IIRC. Obviously there's no sex or nudity.

Anyway, we all know ESRB needs a T-15 rating, which is probably what Halo 3 would have been rated if there was such a rating. Admittedly I haven't played any of the Halo games so I can't comment too much on what it contains though I know it's certainly not in line with a lot of M rated games. The MPAA's standards and the ESRB's standards though are very different.

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If I read those books I'd probobly go insane and shoot up orphanages as well.

 

Remember folks. Games don't kill people.

 

Bill o'Rielly's mind on paper does.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Maybe he saw a report on videogames on one of the shows, then there'd be a tenuous link for the media to grasp at after all!

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

A little off topic, but I wonder what this guy thought of iPods.  Conservative pundits LOVE to be pissed off at iPods, for reasons I honestly can't figure out. 

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O'reiley is the only one who ever screamed about Ipods, some of the others have complained about iPod users, some of whom are assholes who are oblivious to the world when they have their iPod on.

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some of whom are assholes who are oblivious to the world when they have their iPod on.

So are some people on cell-phones, or driving certain kinds of vehicles. It's not the tech, it's the idiots who use them.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Most peoples phones don't cover both ears or go loud drown out the sirens of most emergency vehicles though.

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Most peoples phones don't cover both ears or go loud drown out the sirens of most emergency vehicles though.

No, they're just so self-absorbed in their conversation they don't pay attention at all.

Many vehicles nowadays are so good at shielding you from noise, they block sirens until they're practically on top of you. I've had that happen to me a few times, and I didn't even have the radio on at the time...

It all comes down to the individual's attitude. These would be the same people who in the 80's/90's would have walkmans' cranked way up.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I don't disagree with you on any particular point.

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Although it would be justifiable, blaming conservative pundits for this shooting is a little too far. I don't see the causative connection.

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How the hell is that justifiable? Which conservative pundit told him, or even suggested to him to go on a murder spree?

 

Why can't this guy just be a psycho and be responsible for his own actions? This SO parallels the housing bailout garbage that just got passed... Over-borrowers aren't responsible for the situation they got in? Well then. Dammit! The shooter can't possibly be responsible because no one needs to answer for their actions!!

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How the hell is that justifiable? Which conservative pundit told him, or even suggested to him to go on a murder spree?

It's a culmination. Liberals ruined your life. Liberals ruined your country. Liberals took away your jobs. Liberals ruined everything "good" in the world. Therefore it's ok to hate Liberals. Liberals are immoral, so they're evil. Evil should be stopped. Etc.

It doesn't take long for the unstable mind to quickly go from "I'm sick of <group A> ruining everything." to "kill them all"...

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I don't think it is justifiable to blame the conservative pundits at all, since every person is responsible for their own actions.  I'd think that you would feel that way, too, since that is exactly the same argument used in defense of video games.  You don't think that someone looking to censor video games would argue they cause violence and crime because of the culmination of years of being exposed to a medium that glorifies violence, sex, drugs, etc??  Why wouldn't it take long for the unstable mind to make the jump from actions in virtual reality to actual reality?  Yet as gamers, we point out that video games are a form of speech and expression, to be protected as much as any book or movie.  We ask that we get treated as adults, that we be allowed to make our own decisions on what we buy and what we expose ourselves to, and to be trusted to do the same for our children.  Why you (and quite a few people on this thread) believe that these principles somehow don't apply to the speech of people with different political views than you is beyond me.  We ridicule others for claiming that Rockstar or Microsoft are somehow at all responsible for the actions of messed-up people mimicing their games, yet turn around and court the idea that this guy's ability to soak up the ideas of others and twist them (in a sick and messed-up way) to murder may in part be the fault of the people who expressed those ideas. 

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Uhmm, hate to ask this but are you certain the guy does not play video games?  Before you make him into the example that disproves the rule, you might first want to see if violent games MIGHT have inspired him.

The media's bias (and yours?) is that only teens play games.  Not 58-year-old religious psychos. 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

 
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