Did Church Shooter’s Obsession with Conservative Pundits Lead Him to Kill?

Jim Adkisson, the man who carried out a horrific church shooting in Knoxville on Sunday, is apparently a fan of conservative pundits Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity.

The Knoxville News-Sentinel reports that investigators found books written by all three while searching Adkisson’s home. The 58-year-old killer told police that his rampage was sparked by feelings of outrage over liberalism.

So, did the conservative writings whip him into a killing frenzy?

It’s a stupid question, of course. But if Adkisson was 40 years younger and the cops found Grand Theft Auto 4 and Halo 3 in his room, would some conservative pundits – or perhaps their game-hatin’ guests – be speculating that the killer "trained" on video games?

You bet they would.

Overcompensating has a great comic on this…

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  1. Kyle says:

    i believe that the reason this article is posted  is to show that the political/news/JTs view that video games are the source of almost all violence and that they are constantly looking for that as a source is wrong. i mean JT was threatening schools if they didnt tell him if video games were "involved".  these people constantly claim that games are a burden on society, just  look at what JT said about that kid that killed himself, and about the people tryin to talk him out of it. these people view games and gamers as evil, and this goes to show that we are not the only evil, if anyone is to be even blamed as evil. the people who commit these school, church, mall wherever shootings, or even smaller crimes like stealing a car, are going to anyway. no video game or media or anything influenced them. someone who is crazy enough to kill random students at their college has deeper problems than kicking back in the afternoon playing GTA or Halo.

  2. Anonymous says:

    It wasn’t the type of "fire and brimstone conservative" church that we would see on TV. This was one of those churches who were more accepting of homosexuality and have a more open mind towards other things than other ones would be. I think this must be one of them that is more to the side of "non-denominational"(sp?) than denominational (Catholic, Presbytrarian (which I should add JT is part of, and because they believe in pre-destination (I think that is what it is called), that is possibly why he thinks he will never go to hell, no matter how many sins he commits), Baptist, etc.).

    Either way, really boneheaded thing that this guy did. I hope he truely gets what he deserves, as anyone who kills anyone for their lifestyle choices really is in my opinion, out of touch with the world. I wonder though if this guy was part of any hate groups though, such as the KKK (I don’t think they’re very accepting of homosexuals or anything that is different from them (white, prostestant, born in the US and straight)), Sons of the Gestpo or something like that. I havn’t read any of those writings by O’Reilly or Hannity, but I do watch their TV shows, while I find O’Reilly to be more of an attempt to be centered (though he sometimes fails miserably and ends up looking like a Right Wing Loon with the namecalling and yelling), he doesn’t cause me to Cringe as much as Hannity does, to me, it feels like watching a Hitler speech to an extent.


  3. Anonymous says:

    So are you saying the three people whom he idolized who one of them has gotten quite famous for his "talk" about groups and borderline "Itd be ok if they all die". Than goes ahead and says he didnt say that. Are not at fault? Than that would Hitler not at fault for brainwashing people either. Theres a difference between someone preaching that the world is better off without a group of people and that those people are a diesase than when a video game shows violence. It most often doesnt sit there and preach to the player everyday for years telling them "Facts" that are lies about people who they live around and effects their everyday lives. Next your going to say what the atlantia olympic bomber said why he did it wasnt true either. That he thought them as a diesase.

  4. Anonymous says:

    It was a church that allowed all types of people. that are usually damned by conseratives gays, womans rights etc.


  5. Anonymous says:

    Just because our spending is higher then any other country doesn’t make my statement any less true. Look at all the things we have done around the world with our military especially when it comes to humanitarian services. When we cut military spending it was done in the wrong ways and crippled our military strength. If we are going to cut military spending there are ways to do it, by consolidation and pooling resources rather then just cutting their budget. Then we can get the most "bang for our buck"

    For me to be ignorant I would use a fact that does not disprove my opponents statement and call him ignorant while doing so.


  6. Anonymous says:

    Yeah the only thing  "fair and balanced" about Fox is their conservative leaning and propaganda.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Wait, did I read that right?

    He’s concerned about LIBERALISM so he shoots up a CHURCH.

    Isn’t the church supposed to be the major bastion of conservatives in the US? Or at least that’s what most of the blogosphere rants I read would lead me to think up here in Canadaland.

  8. SJ0 says:

    CNN marches to the same deathmarch drum as the rest of them. Left-wing my ass.


    The problem is, Americans live in this little news microcosm that is completely different from anywhere else in the world.

  9. SJ0 says:

    Greg McKendry, hmm?


    Even a conservative pundit would have to conceed that we’ve seen the highest ideals of good and evil at work here, and ‘their’ guy is undeniably on the side of evil.

  10. SJ0 says:

    You’re just another ignorant American.


    Here’s how ignorant you are:


    Every year forever, US military spending has been greater than the next 20 top countries COMBINED.


    Not just this year, not just last year, not just the past 8 years. It’s pretty much been like this since before many of us were born.



  11. SJ0 says:

    I’d agree with your comment, but the president woudl just veto it, so I’ll say you’re wrong.

  12. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You want Fair and Balance its simple watch the Colbert Show and Daily Show =) ….


    In truth the only way to get Fair and Balance is to watch CNN (a leftist) and Fox (a rightist) and divide by 2.  I would call Fox as Fair and Balance as CNN or any other news show.  Most of them after three minutes of watching have thrown so many of their own personal opinions in instead of just reporting that I have to change channels.

  13. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Don’t forget we had to also spend millions to get proper body armor and such for the boys and girls over there because good old Bill had cut the military so much.  Granted the war in Iraq is pointless but last time I check we still have a war in Afghan that would require a military and proper military gear.

  14. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I always find it funny that everyone points out Bush’s low approval rating yet no one seems to point out that Congress’s (who by the way has plenty of time to turn it around) approval rating is lower.  Personally says to me that the old guard on both side need to be ousted and we need a new group to come on. (We may actually get some not to old guard for a president but good luck getting rid of the old guard in Congress).

  15. T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    No you don’t.  That is the whole point of this article. 

    and your second point is not debatable.

    GP should change the title to:

    "Hyperbolic example to illustrate the absurdity of those who would call for game restrictions based on ideas that are not condusive to self-responsibility or readily available facts, though it should be noted that only one of the following people to be mentioned has ever said anything that could be interpeted as anti-game and to that end it is more a commentarty on those who I can only assume to be fans of these people ie Jack Thompson and to that end is not to condem or call for the censorship of any and all conservative media" 

    you might want to parse it down…

  16. Father Time says:

    You have to admit that connecting this man’s act to the conservative pundits has more weight than connecting most crimes to video games.

    Although in both cases the ultimate responsibility rests with the individual who chose to commit these acts (but that might be debatable).

  17. Stueymon says:

    Has anyone noticed that you CANNOT find any article on this on the fox news channel website? i tried a ton of searches and nothing comes up.

    Bit odd that isn’t it? i know it involves two of their pundits but they cant just bury their head in the sand and pretend it never happened can they?

  18. Anonymous says:

     A "healthy surplus" that was created by drasticaly cutting military spending to the point that now that the military is being used we had to use PMC’s because the military lacks the infustructure needed to function on its own costing us billions. Go figure.

  19. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Insightful article, Dennis. Really, it is ironic that the people who often blame the media, most notably video games, for violent crimes, might very well have influenced this killer.

  20. chadachada(123) says:

    But I think liberals are BAWWING about video games much more than conservatives….from what I’ve seen

    It doesn’t matter what kind of political side a person is on, if they want censorship, they should be kicked out of the US, and if they don’t, then maybe they can stay.

  21. chadachada(123) says:

    I just wanna take this time to say that in my honest opinion, there is no such thing as a "hate crime." Or rather, all crimes are either hate crimes or selfish crimes. Example: I kill a guy because he fucked me over at my job or something. That is just as equal as killing someone because they are black or gay or religious or liberal, because you hate them. Selfish crimes are of course robberies, stealings, etc where it’s because you need/want something.

    I really do hate this whole "hate crime" crap, where if I kill a guy because he’s black, that’s somehow worse than if I kill some guy because I really hate him for personal reasons….

  22. T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    "And Videogames made the young man shoot up the college" you see where you fail?

  23. Father Time says:

    "Far-left wingers are pointing at this event as "proof" that conservatives are violent and that their rhetoric leads to events such as this.  Far-right wingers are acting just shy of applauding the guy for what he’s done and are implying idiotic ideas like "if they weren’t so liberal, they wouldn’t have been killed"."

    I can imagine the far left doing what you suggested but the far right?

    I would think that they would do what we always do.

    Distance ourselves from the guy, insult him, call him nuts, remind everyone that there are insane individuals in every large group etc.

  24. Vinzent ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Because, sadly, Fox News won’t carry it, CNN has been quiet on the story as is MSNBC last time I checked. It seems the only way to get news anymore is in the blogosphere.

    And I don’t believe he deserves the death penalty. I believe he needs life imprisonment. I think we need to post his face on a billboard across the street from Fox News. They inspired the hate, and they should be reminded of it.

  25. Father Time says:

    When the news about that pregnancy pact first hit the waves Fox New’s first reaction was to blame Juno and the ‘media saying pregnanacy is OK’ and ‘the school encouraged pregnancy by having a day care center inside’ or some crap like that. Yeah blame Hollywood, blame the rest of the media and blame some social programs for the actions of some random people.

    Fox News really isn’t fair and balanced.

    That’s not to say the other news stations are picture perfect.

  26. dedre ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Kudos Geoff (waaay the hell up there in the comments), fairly worded and transmitted about this.

  27. Father Time says:


    His rampage will more likely serve to further strengthen the resolve of that church then get them to swap positions.

  28. Anonymous says:

    The fact you took that off of conservapedia just rendered your entire post as biased and invalid.

  29. Anonymous says:

    I don’t think it is justifiable to blame the conservative pundits at all, since every person is responsible for their own actions.  I’d think that you would feel that way, too, since that is exactly the same argument used in defense of video games.  You don’t think that someone looking to censor video games would argue they cause violence and crime because of the culmination of years of being exposed to a medium that glorifies violence, sex, drugs, etc??  Why wouldn’t it take long for the unstable mind to make the jump from actions in virtual reality to actual reality?  Yet as gamers, we point out that video games are a form of speech and expression, to be protected as much as any book or movie.  We ask that we get treated as adults, that we be allowed to make our own decisions on what we buy and what we expose ourselves to, and to be trusted to do the same for our children.  Why you (and quite a few people on this thread) believe that these principles somehow don’t apply to the speech of people with different political views than you is beyond me.  We ridicule others for claiming that Rockstar or Microsoft are somehow at all responsible for the actions of messed-up people mimicing their games, yet turn around and court the idea that this guy’s ability to soak up the ideas of others and twist them (in a sick and messed-up way) to murder may in part be the fault of the people who expressed those ideas. 

  30. ZippyDSMlee says:

    I don’t see CNN as much as libareal as "entertianment news" with a PC bent, the fundies have more open air broadcast venues than the left dose, the left dose have some but are mostly mainstram and centric compared to the crazy lefties and righties.

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)


  31. Brokenscope says:

    Where did I say it wasn’t brave? He still had a rather effective bludgeon.

    Not nearly as heroic as the guy who used himself as a shield.

  32. PHOENIXZERO says:

    Oh, they do, they just use it for their own agendas. Well, outside of talk radio, the right owns that. There’s Fucktard News and CNN with their idiots trying to be Fucktard News Jr…. How often have you listened to Hannity, Limbaugh, Michael Reagan (never listened to him nor looking to) O’RLY or Glenn Brick (haven’t heard him on the radio either)? I haven’t heard O’RLY in years though at the very least when I did he was a lot more reasonable on the radio that the annoying TV program where it does his talking over and interupting guest thing that the idiots on TV always love to do.


    There are plenty on the left that are just as bad, it’s a two way street. Plenty of hypocrites on both sides as well.

  33. ZippyDSMlee says:

    I could stand almost enjoy O’rilye before he became a uber  right wing hate monger, maybe 2-3 years into his radio carrier he just started to shovel the reaper(republican) BS  the rest of the radio meat puppets do.


    But the question is…why is the article even posted here?

    I can just barely see it, using this as a example of how the “blame game” on games works..but still….something feels amiss…

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)


  34. T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This guy’s got the right idea, nothing like a horrible tragedy to play "gotcha" politics. 

  35. Cattleprod says:

    Wow, it’s almost embarassing how the O’Reilly fans completely missed the point of the article.

  36. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Why is this here? it has no connection to games…or game centric politics..I mean I is as much as a lefty on most issues as most here…but come on people….

    I mean IMO the Cryisis thing where the devs claimed piracy was the reason they are no longer making exclusive PC titles and blaming the magical one eye/legged bandit  (not once mind you BUT TWICE!) for so much when the game did well enough(and any piracy involved only mirrored the popularity of the game), the reason why it could not do better is because they made the game for a niche in a niche, and in order to explain the switch to watered down console gaming away they concoct the  “pirates are stealing mah children“ shill and merely say its economics and how the modern industry works (In order to get the best looking game we can make to the most people we have to dumb it down and go console.)!



    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)


  37. Mikel says:

    Alan Colmes isn’t a liberal. He’s a mummy, and like most mummies, his politics are centrist at best.

  38. Mikel says:

    Oh, well then. I guess rushing an armed man while he’s reloading his gun with one of the 76 shells in his fanny pack isn’t brave, after all. You sure showed me.

  39. PHOENIXZERO says:

    Hope you guys are having fun with this because it’s looking beyond stupid, as if it’s the evil Republican "conservative monsters" that have been working to get videogames under government control for the last decade and a half. Let’s ignore that it’s still a majority of "liberal" Democrat, nanny state loving asshats   like Leeland Yee, Hilary Clinton and former Governor Elliot Spitzer, that have been trying to pass unconstitutional legislation against the industry, usually while being more than happy to receive campaign contributions from Hollywood. There’s plenty of assholery to go around both sides. Taking any joy in this story is ALMOST as bad at JT getting a proverbial hard-on after every school shooting or other tragic event involving a teenager.


  40. mogbert says:

    I’ve heard one of those guys mentioned in the story on the radiio, and he was just annoying. Lot’s of logical errors like claiming that the rich should pay less taxes because that will let them pay the more to the poor people who work for them. My uncle is rich (I’m from the poor side of the family). He got rich by paying poor people less, and if he paid less taxes, he wouldn’t pay poor people more, he would keep the money, or buy another yacht. It seems like defective people would be the only ones following them.

    What the article is pointing out is the different way that the media is handling this, even though it parallels similar shootings that were handled differently. If he was younger, and everything else was the same, they would still point the finger at violent games, if not for the motive, then for the means. They would claim that he trained on the violent games to be better abled to kill the people at this church.

    Another difference is no one is blaming either the books or the authors of these books. I’m not saying they should be blamed. Rather I’m saying that if GTA IV had been found, both the game and the developer would be blamed for the murders, and possibly also Sony and Microsoft. In previous examples, not only were they blamed by the media, someone actually had the gall to take them to court (and lose). Also, in other cases, the shooter was treated as a victim, they are often assumed blamless but twisted by the vil media to perpetrate the crime. However this time the guy is assumed to be off his rocker, as these book scouldn’t possibly be at fault.

    We are only looking for a little balance. In a world where Batman Dark Knight gets a PG-13 rating but has (redacted for spoilers) but Halo3 gets rated M for mature for alien gore, but Men in Black didn’t get rated R? A little equality is all we ask. Rate games the same as movies, if not the same as books.

  41. Jabrwock says:

    Most peoples phones don’t cover both ears or go loud drown out the sirens of most emergency vehicles though.

    No, they’re just so self-absorbed in their conversation they don’t pay attention at all.

    Many vehicles nowadays are so good at shielding you from noise, they block sirens until they’re practically on top of you. I’ve had that happen to me a few times, and I didn’t even have the radio on at the time…

    It all comes down to the individual’s attitude. These would be the same people who in the 80’s/90’s would have walkmans’ cranked way up.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  42. Anonymous says:

    If I read those books I’d probobly go insane and shoot up orphanages as well.


    Remember folks. Games don’t kill people.


    Bill o’Rielly’s mind on paper does.

  43. Jabrwock says:

    How the hell is that justifiable? Which conservative pundit told him, or even suggested to him to go on a murder spree?

    It’s a culmination. Liberals ruined your life. Liberals ruined your country. Liberals took away your jobs. Liberals ruined everything "good" in the world. Therefore it’s ok to hate Liberals. Liberals are immoral, so they’re evil. Evil should be stopped. Etc.

    It doesn’t take long for the unstable mind to quickly go from "I’m sick of <group A> ruining everything." to "kill them all"…

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  44. Brokenscope says:

    Most peoples phones don’t cover both ears or go loud drown out the sirens of most emergency vehicles though.

  45. Jabrwock says:

    some of whom are assholes who are oblivious to the world when they have their iPod on.

    So are some people on cell-phones, or driving certain kinds of vehicles. It’s not the tech, it’s the idiots who use them.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  46. PHOENIXZERO says:

    Simple, George Bush is NOT a conservative. No matter what, whatever supporters he has left claim.

  47. Jabrwock says:

    Great list. Notice how none of them answered my query about "non-right-leaning talk shows".

    Colmes has been criticized for being a "Fox News Liberal" (aka a fall guy who’s only job is to weakly fail at countering Hannity’s arguments while pretending to be a good debater), van Susteren’s show is merely a "what do you think about this court case" blither fest, and Rivera… well, let’s call him a "Jerry Springer wannabe".

    The mere presence of "liberal" counter-point on Fox shows means nothing. Watch any "liberal" who gets on O’Reilly’s or any other style of show. They get shouted down, cut off, personally attacked, derailed, etc. That’s not presenting an opposing view, that’s inviting an opponent over so you can get your "2 minutes of hate" session over with.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  48. Brokenscope says:

    O’reiley is the only one who ever screamed about Ipods, some of the others have complained about iPod users, some of whom are assholes who are oblivious to the world when they have their iPod on.

  49. ooftygoofty says:

    A little off topic, but I wonder what this guy thought of iPods.  Conservative pundits LOVE to be pissed off at iPods, for reasons I honestly can’t figure out. 

  50. Brokenscope says:

    Which they could have stopped, but like republicans, instead of taking a hard stance and drawing the line, they wheel and deal, and trade votes, and get there pet projects passed.

  51. ZippyDSMlee says:


    Well the Dims don’t have a wide spread propaganda machine dispensing tant amount to hate speech over the air waves to not only gays but libs, women and anyone else that don’t follow in tier vein of hypocrisy.


    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)


  52. Valdearg says:

    The democrat controlled congress only took over recently.. What was it, 2 years ago? Either way, by the time they got the reigns, it was already in a freefall.

  53. Anonymous says:

    Yes, Fox is fair and balanced.


    Just goes to show how imbalanced our network news coverage is.

  54. Anonymous says:

    How the hell is that justifiable? Which conservative pundit told him, or even suggested to him to go on a murder spree?


    Why can’t this guy just be a psycho and be responsible for his own actions? This SO parallels the housing bailout garbage that just got passed… Over-borrowers aren’t responsible for the situation they got in? Well then. Dammit! The shooter can’t possibly be responsible because no one needs to answer for their actions!!

  55. Buckeye531 says:

    Although it would be justifiable, blaming conservative pundits for this shooting is a little too far. I don’t see the causative connection.

  56. Jimmy Cricket says:

    Uhmm, hate to ask this but are you certain the guy does not play video games?  Before you make him into the example that disproves the rule, you might first want to see if violent games MIGHT have inspired him.

    The media’s bias (and yours?) is that only teens play games.  Not 58-year-old religious psychos. 

    Maybe, maybe not.


  57. Mike ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Irony department: The man was pissed at liberals for ruining the country, but he probably was also pissed that his public assistance was cut. 

    I think that this is less "right-wing" fervor, and more being stupid, broke and angry.

  58. Phalanx ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Can you imagine if Jack’s book had been found with the others?  Of course that would require someone actually purchasing it.

  59. Brokenscope says:

    Well, he fired 3 shots, reloading a single shotgun shell is  not something that can be done quickly except on a doublebarrel/break open.  Some shotguns only load 3 shells, some 4. He was out of ammo.

  60. Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Fox?  Fair and balanced?  Man…what are you smoking and where can I get some? 

    All American news is rather terrible.  Some are left-wing, some are right-wing, all if it is garbage.

  61. Jabrwock says:

    Still, even with this percieved link, freedom of speech is still freedom of speech.  While I despise some of the crap that comes out of fools like Hannity, I’ll defend their right to say it.

    It’s a shame people like Hannity/O’Reilly don’t share that point of view…

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  62. Mikel says:

    I don’t think that anyone here is seriously advocating censorship of conservative voices on the airwaves. It’s just that, after years of hearing "video games: are they to blame for everything?" whenever a teenager or twentysomething goes crazy with a gun, it’s cathartic to be able to lash back at the people who’ve been beating that particular drum by mimicking their own calls for "protective" censorship. It’s ironic mockery, not a call to arms.

  63. Jabrwock says:

    Maybe reading conservative books blurs the line between fantasy and reality…

    Reminds me of that "1/2 Hour News Hour" where they joked "thank God we killed off all those damn Liberals", and you’re supposed to laugh. But only the right-wing extremists laughed, while everyone else glances around all embarassed, wondering who thought this was funny…

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  64. jkdjr25 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    To be fair, and please keep in mind I’m not a fan of the current administration, it’s more that the Republicans screwed everything up because their conservative base is looking more and more at the libertarian candidate. They rightly feel betrayed by the party they supported.

    Just wanted to clear that up.

    I agree that it’s fairly stupid to ask "did this book or game cause a person to murder a guy". There are just some evil people in the world.

  65. Mikel says:

    What’s especially ironic about this case is that the gunman attacked a group of people he saw as weak and cowardly with a shotgun, and they were able to disarm and restrain him with their bare hands after he’d killed two of them.

    Also ironic is that the letter he left for police allegedly said that he was angry at liberals for what he saw as a weak stance against terrorism – and he responded by becoming a terrorist himself. (terrorism – noun – the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.)

  66. Jabrwock says:

    Fox news is the ONLY channel that is any thing close to fair, it does go more towards right. there are still alot of liberal reporters on that channel though.

    Name one left or center talk show on Fox. No, it’s ok, I’ll wait.

    Bill flipping out on a teenager is not news, nor is it even good editorializing. It’s just plain "old-man-bitching". It ceased to be entertaining after 5 minutes. He’s like a tantruming 10-year-old. "No YOU shut up! Waaaaah! Cut off his mike!"

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  67. Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Anyone can take an ideology to fanatical levels.  I don’t think it is conservatism or even the pundits that can be actually blamed, at least not directly.  It is just as possible that someone could take liberal ideology too far and start killing a bunch of people based on conservative beliefs.  Samy crazy, different flavor.

    What I am really disheartened by this whole tragedy is that the fringes of both sides of the political spectrum are exploiting it.  Far-left wingers are pointing at this event as "proof" that conservatives are violent and that their rhetoric leads to events such as this.  Far-right wingers are acting just shy of applauding the guy for what he’s done and are implying idiotic ideas like "if they weren’t so liberal, they wouldn’t have been killed".  And some people wonder why I’m a moderate.  It’s because both sidea are @#$%ing nuts.

    As for how this relates to the gaming issue…well, I’d say that there may be a little more solid evidence in this case that the far-right wing rhetoric lead to the violence than any of the video game cases.  In the video game cases, at the most, the only link they can provide is that "so-and-so played Counter-strike".  When one looks at the evidence of these cases it becomes clear that the individual was often some form of outcast, usually pushed into such a position by his peers, and that the violent outburst was the result of these social factors.  (In some cases, also family factors.)  When all of this evidence is considered, the video game argument holds no water.

    In this case, there is a little more of a link.  The guy read and apparently believed in the ultra-conservative rhetoric that liberals are the source of all of societies ills.  He’s a rampant homophobe and an apparent raciest, so he’s got a whole lot of hate to give around.  Combine this with his frustration for finding a job and he wanted to lash out at the precieved problem, in this case liberals.  So he targeted a UU Church that is known to have rather liberal views.  He left a manifesto in his car that pretty much admits as much.  His ex-wife also use to attend this church so I wouldn’t be surprised if he somehow blamed them for his failed marriage.

    Still, even with this percieved link, freedom of speech is still freedom of speech.  While I despise some of the crap that comes out of fools like Hannity, I’ll defend their right to say it. 

  68. Azhrarn says:

    Now that is a side of the story I had not heard before.
    (being from Europe, that’s no surprise, it was barely covered at all)

    I can give nothing but praise to mr. McKendry possibly saving a lot of people by sacrificing himself.
    Without his bravery this could have been even worse, if there is a heaven that act alone earned him an express ticket.

  69. Sting1287 says:

    Though i DO see exactly the point you guys are getting at in comparing this to game-bashing. Yet there has already been a time in our history where idiots gathered a ton of books they hated a burned them all. People gathered and complained about newspapers printing the wrong news (yellow press). People eventually realized freedom of speech and press, express what they want and print what they want.

    This guy just went insane and happened to had a gun nearby. walked to a church and started shooting. very terrible thing. something needed to provoke him to do it. reading those books just might have done it. complaining that ALL conservative press be gone from the tv is just retarded. Fox news is the ONLY channel that is any thing close to fair, it does go more towards right. there are still alot of liberal reporters on that channel though.

    – Azhrarn
      you DO realize that CONGRESS controls the budget, right? right NOW democrats control congress by, hmm, 70%? while Clinton was president republicans controlled congress. learn about the government first before saying something stupid…

  70. Brokenscope says:

    No, his inability to cope with reality, and his misplaced anger lead him to kill.

    He was also suicidal, as he wanted to be killed by the police.

    He was crazy, nothing more nothing less.

  71. Helpless Kitten says:

    I’d like to take a moment to give a bit more background on this story.

    The church in question was a Unitarian Universalist fellowship, which is less an organized religion and more a humanist philosophical group.  They are well known for hosting political and social debates in their halls and being unusually open to alternative religions and lifestyle choices.  This particular fellowship, if I recall correctly, was a member of the "Hate Free Zone" project to provide welcoming and understanding communities for homosexuals.  Targeting such a group of people cannot be seen as anything but the vilest of hate crimes.

    The thing I wish people would focus on more is the noble act of Greg McKendry.  This man, according to witnesses, saw the shooter, stood calmly up and stepped in front of the shotgun.  He used his own body to shield the rest of the people there and buy time for others to tackle the gunman.  I cannot say if I could ever be as brave and self sacrificing as this man, or as quick thinking and courageous as the men who tackled the shooter.

  72. Anonymous says:

    Actually, that is hilarious!!!


    More people approve of the job Bush is doing than approve of the job the Democrat-controlled Congress is doing!  Oh, I couldn’t have scripted a funnier ending to the Bush administration!


  73. Anonymous says:

    There will always be fringe portions of every school of thought. And, the deficit is a black eye for this administration, certainly, but this 14% approval rating Congress isn’t doing much to help the situation.  And all the Pork good ole Murtha keeps trying to pass isn’t helping to define fiscal responsibility either.

    Hell, Congress’ approval rating is lower than the President’s! 

  74. Stueymon says:

    The irony is that in comparison to supposed game violence, there is a stronger direct link in this case completely, the man had been reading tons of right wing litreture, anti liberal anti gay anti tolerance, and he took those ideas and directly stated that was why he did what he did.

    hell you never get "game-violence" criminals ever saying "well i playing GTA and i thought it would be fun to do in real life" except when they’re blatently using it as a defense >.>

  75. Azhrarn says:

    Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.

    Last time I checked the current conservative administration left the US facing a 500 billion deficit on the budget, while the last democratic government left the country with a reasonably healthy surplus?
    So how can liberals be ruining the country?
    They left a fairly healthy economy behind which the conservative administration then promptly started ruining. If you have to blame someone, blame them…. (but don’t go around killing anyone, that’s just bad)

    But I guess that’s just me…

  76. Cattleprod says:

    I was referring to the dipshits who reacted as if it were a legit call for censorship, and not just simply pointing out the fundamental flaws of the ‘blame the media’ arguement. Jabrwock’s first comment looked like he was calling BS on the liberal bias complaint, so I assumed he wasn’t a kneejerk blind defender.

  77. PHOENIXZERO says:

    If you want balance then maybe the MPAA should start rating video games or the ESRB should start reviewing movies. They’re two different organizations with their own criteria for rating, a Halo movie would only get a PG-13 without content/violence not being toned down. I’m going to refrain from going on about how annoyed I’ve become with people complaining and asking how The Dark Knight was "only rated PG-13" when the reason it was is obvious, not to mention the other bitching about it’s not a kids movie. The Dark Knight obviously didn’t qualify for an R Rating because it either didn’t cross the line or have enough instances to do so. Not to mention almost all if not all the violent scenes aren’t graphic and there’s almost no blood. There’s also no swearing outside of "son of a bitch" being used once, there might have been another instance that I’m forgetting but it’s not one of the "major" words either which can still be used under a certain number, maybe only once for PG-13 IIRC. Obviously there’s no sex or nudity.

    Anyway, we all know ESRB needs a T-15 rating, which is probably what Halo 3 would have been rated if there was such a rating. Admittedly I haven’t played any of the Halo games so I can’t comment too much on what it contains though I know it’s certainly not in line with a lot of M rated games. The MPAA’s standards and the ESRB’s standards though are very different.

  78. Anonymous says:

    Alan Colmes

    Greta van Susteren

    Geraldo Rivera

    And… (not mine, but copied from Conservapedia): "Liberal commentators go in and out of the Fox studios all over America, every day — some of them, like host Alan Colmes and news analyst Marvin Kalb, and Eleanor Clift [are] affiliated with the channel."

    Nearly every show on the network that presents a conservative point of view also presents the liberal piont of view. Hell, Brit Hume’s Panel includes Juan Williams, and Mara Liasson. Although they are not employed by Fox, they are on there every day getting out the good liberal word. Hardly imbalanced.


    And… "A recent comprehensive study by UCLA political scientist Tim Groseclose and University of Missouri-Columbia economics professor Jeffrey Milyo found Brit Hume’s Special Report — Fox’s most straightforward news show — more centrist than any of the three major networks’ evening newscasts, all of which are left leaning. [2] The program is a model of smart news television.

    And although it’s true that the Fox’s opinion shows (as opposed to its news shows) are, as they’re supposed to be, frequently bombastic and opinionated, it’s equally true that Fox’s biggest super-star, Bill O’Reilly, is not a mainstream Republican, but a registered Independent. He regularly charges the oil companies with price-gouging and attacks big business for squashing the little guy. Who can say what host Greta Van Susteren’s politics are? She mostly covers the crime-of-the-day stories. Geraldo Rivera has always been liberal on most issues, with the exception of being a strong supporter of the military and stiff penalties for sex offenders."


    So, while I enjoy your opinions, Jabrwock, you should not generalize too much.  Points can be made on either side of the argument.

  79. Patrick says:

    There have been several studies showing that public executions/torture doesn’t curb the crime rate. Public forms of punishment do nothing but make a joke out of our judicial system and please the ignorant.

    Death penalty should always be kept private to the public.

  80. DrkMatter says:

    Reading the article in full would inform you that the perpetrator expected to be shot to death by the police. I doubt the fear of capital punishment would have stopped him from doing anything. Or even the fear of perpetual torture, since suicide is not very hard to accomplish when you have a loaded shotgun in your hands.

  81. SJ0 says:


    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

    And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.


  82. Jeremy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Though its very darkageish, there is a point here public execution of known criminals especially violent was a way to keep the masses in line (it was also public entertainment but that is not he point here).  After all to often people think eh I will get what a couple of minutes in jail, three meals a day, and have to do nothing why shouldn’t I go on a rampage, now if they were instead thinking I go on a rampage they will torture, belittle, publically humilate me, and then kill me they might decide shooting a paper target to vent would be better than shooting a person.

  83. Anonymous says:

    It’s comments like this that scare me more than the actual sick acts themselves.

    Think about what you’re saying guys!

  84. chadachada(123) says:

    That’s what we should’ve done with Saddam….

    I seriously think that people convicted of real crimes against humanity, or real sick shit (like shootings and stuff, like the guy in Japan that STABBED almost 20 people…) should be tortured, and maybe even put on TV or the internet, as a warning to everyone not to FUCK with the world.

    Some will definatly think I’m going overboard, but really, seeing the hanging video of Saddam on the internet…it made me feel very relieved, but also that he got off VERY easy for what he did. He honestly should’ve been tortured, publicly, or SOMETHING more than a quick hanging…

  85. Father Time says:

    No don’t give him the death penalty,

    Instead let’s give him savage beatings every week, or even better send him off to Iraq so he can fight and possibly die there.

  86. Austin_Lewis says:

    I think this man should be put to death, in all honesty.

    Let me explain.  I’m a Catholic and a Republican (not a neo-con, an actual republican, as in don’t take away any of my rights to choose what kind of firearm I own, what kind of videogames my kids play, or my right to decide what kind of gas mileage my car gets).

    However, in the world we live in, we can’t force our own beliefs on people.  It’s immoral, it is useless, and it is a waste of time, not to mention that it often magically transitions into violence.  We don’t need a new crusade, we need a bit more tolerance.

    In the name of tolerance, let’s put this intolerant jackass to the syringe.

  87. T5 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Here is the rub my friend in that it is a matter of interpretation just as some incorrectly view the message of Resident Evil 5 for example so do you the message of this literature.  I am of course assuming you have read the books and have a stack of quotes at the ready. 

  88. Anonymous says:

    Isnt there a difference though, Those books and such preach that liberalism is a mental diesase and the world is better off without them.

    Where in games does the games "Preach" to you that certain groups of people are a diesase on human kind.


  89. Anonymous says:

    Isnt there a difference though, Those books and such preach that liberalism is a mental diesase and the world is better off without them.

    Where in games does the game "Preach" to you that certain groups of people are a diesase on human kind.


  90. TheEdge says:

    Somehow,I can see the left jumping on this like a wolf on steak,ya know,so as to get the "hate radio"outa here.Just another way to try to re impose the Fairness Doctrine,so it makes sense that they would exploit this.

  91. SJ0 says:

    You don’t know that everyone in guatanamo is a killer.


    You don’t know that because they’re not allowed due process or access to courts. They never have a chance to be proven guilty.


    Basically, we just rounded up some brown people, threw them into a prison in cuba, called them evil, and that’s that.


    Hey, you’re not brown, are you? Let me know, so I can call you a killer and send you to prison without a trial.

  92. Brokenscope says:

    They whine because the killers in guantanamo are hled in a fashion that ignores both the constitution of our country, and the Geneva Convention.

  93. Dark Sovereign says:

    So do people in the media whining about harsh conditions the killers faced. Like, say, in Guantanamo?

  94. M. Carusi says:

    Imagine if a few politicians proposed to censor Hannity and O’Reilly claiming that radical neoconservatism taught people to be killers.

    Michael Carusi


    Capitol Gaming

  95. Father Time says:

    Which is an ironic statement when you consider that most of the extremists who commit crimes, as well as most of the people who commit crimes that get blamed on video games, aren’t minors.

  96. Anonymous says:

    No one is saying ban these books. All we want is for them to carry a clear age rating describing their content, and for them to be behind the counter items. Also we want to fine the ^%&* out of anyone selling them to minors, with the possibility of jail time for repeat offenders.

  97. jds says:

    I am that Anon post and a few others here. I was posting from work and for some reason I can’t log in through our Firewall. The login page is "Admin Blocked" or some dumb shit. But thanks for asking.


    . . Wisdom begins in wonder. – Socrates . .

  98. chadachada(123) says:

    Geoff is a cool guy. eh bitches about Anon and doesn’t afraid of the internetz.

  99. Brokenscope says:

    What difference does it make, he may be a one time poster, you gain almost nothing by him having a screen name.

  100. Geoff says:

    Nah, I do agree with him that the shooter should take personal responsibility.  I’m just finding it amusing that someone would make such remarks and yet be too afraid to even come up with a screen name.  Yeah, I know, it’s the internet, and the internet is full of anon really, just kind of find it amusing.

  101. Brokenscope says:

    Not the Anon


    I thought the blood was on the shooter’s hands, or do we now apply personal responsability selectivly?

    Also, what the hell is gained by him registering an accoount?

    Careful, your starting to sound like JT.


  102. Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Aw, how cute.  You made three posts to defend conservatisim yet you’re too chicken to post even a fake name.


    Thought conservatives were suppose to be all proud and brave.  Pfft.

  103. jds says:

    "It was a reasonable restriction…"      Jabrwock – You listenin’ to yourself there? Reasonable restriction? Sounds like a reasonable way to restrict certain speech. Um, sounds like some that good ole First Amendment violation stuff…  I don’t know. Maybe it’s just me.


    . . Wisdom begins in wonder. – Socrates . .


  104. Jabrwock says:

    It was never a good idea.

    It was a reasonable restriction on the use of a limited public resource. It wouldn’t have been constititutional to apply it to newspapers or other avenues. Once the spectrum opened up, and other mediums became available (satellite, cable, etc), then it became an unnecessary restriction.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  105. Dark Sovereign says:

    The Fairness Doctrine is either censorship or compelled speech when used. Both are unconstitutional. It was never a good idea.

  106. Jabrwock says:

    Isn’t the tolerant left already trying to restrict access and limit Conservative discussion on the airwaves?

    Yeah, cause that’s going *so* well. Oh the poor oppressed Conservative media. How will they ever survive the Liberal onslaught? The only reason they want the FD back is because you can’t sue Fox for lying.

    The Fairness Doctrine was a good idea when it was introduced, because of the scarcity of public airwaves, there was a fear that mega-corportions could just buy up the airwaves and force an editorial bias. That situation no longer exists (thousands of radio stations, hundreds of tv stations, satellite, etc), so Conservatives can now hang out on Fox and whine about Liberals, and Liberals can hang out… well anywhere else, safe in the knowledge they won’t accidentally tune into the brain-numbing stupidity that is talk-radio/O’Reilly Factor…

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  107. chadachada(123) says:

    You mean extremists? Yeah, there’s extremists in everything, and Jack would be one of them. Same with this sick fucker

  108. Neeneko says:

    I am curious how JT migth react to this, since this is a good example of his school of thought going wrong.

    Though if JT’s logic about game developers being held responsible for violence from thier products,.. imagine what would happen if you held pundits or even church leaders responsible for the acts of right wing nutjobs like this… gay lynching, abortion provider killings, etc…. these are Jack’s people doing these horrors (and when I say "Jack’s People’, I do NOT mean ‘Christisans’ or ‘Concervatives’)….

  109. thefremen says:

     He had written a letter that said in no uncertain terms that he was killing people because liberalism ruined the country.

  110. Krono says:

    I do believe that the absurdity of blaming either Conservatism or Liberalism for what happened was part of Dennis’ point.


  111. Anonymous says:

    It is just as likely that Conservatism whipped him into a frenzy as it is that Liberalism whipped him into a frenzy.

  112. Meggie says:

    Dude, please. I don’t like what they have to say either, but to blame them for what some nutjob did is just as crazy as claiming GTA is to blame. And that’s coming from a liberal.

    The worst part about the usual "games made him/her do it"  is that is turns killers into victims.

  113. Anonymous says:

    Bill O’Reilly, Micheal Savage and Sean Hannity. The blood of the victims is on your hands.


    Now you game hatin bastards know what it feels like. Everytime something bad happens you point at the games and the gamers. If this kind of thing is going to happen, maybe you should be pointing at your staff and yourselves.

  114. Anonymous says:

    "Now we need to start agressively condemning consevative media, attempting to push bans on it in media and restrict its access, as well as condemning those who create it and distrubute it for being immoral and murder-lovers."

    Fairness Doctrine, anyone? Isn’t this already happening? Isn’t the tolerant left already trying to restrict access and limit Conservative discussion on the airwaves?



  115. Greg ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I say we take this and run with it.

    Now we need to start agressively condemning consevative media, attempting to push bans on it in media and restrict its access, as well as condemning those who create it and distrubute it for being immoral and murder-lovers.

    Then, once it’s gained enough media momentum, some strong-hearted individual needs to go on national TV and spew this stupidity until someone asks ‘Why’ — at which point we drop the charade and explain our point.

    (A fantasy, assuredly, but the dramatics are interesting in my head.)

  116. Jabrwock says:

    Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.


    Yeah, I expect Big Bear to step up and state that he’d never advocate this, and this guy is a wing-nut, and that people should stop jumping all over him. And then he’ll promptly whine about liberals blowing everything out of proportion.

    — If your wiimote goes snicker-snack, check your wrist-strap…

  117. Loudspeaker says:

    I wonder if Jim Adkisson would have gone on that shooting spree had he BEEN a gamer?  The reason I ponder that is most of us take our frustrations from the real world out on the virtual world since it is a healthy release of pent up frustration.

    There should be a study done on gamers vs. non-gamers and how well they cope with stress.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  118. MaskedPixelante says:

    Didn’t Ralph Baer invent the light gun somewhere around 40 years ago?

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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