Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits Lead Him to Kill?

July 30, 2008 -

Jim Adkisson, the man who carried out a horrific church shooting in Knoxville on Sunday, is apparently a fan of conservative pundits Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity.

The Knoxville News-Sentinel reports that investigators found books written by all three while searching Adkisson's home. The 58-year-old killer told police that his rampage was sparked by feelings of outrage over liberalism.

So, did the conservative writings whip him into a killing frenzy?

It's a stupid question, of course. But if Adkisson was 40 years younger and the cops found Grand Theft Auto 4 and Halo 3 in his room, would some conservative pundits - or perhaps their game-hatin' guests - be speculating that the killer "trained" on video games?

You bet they would.

Overcompensating has a great comic on this...


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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

That boom you just heard was a joke flying over your head at Mach 1.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Bill O'Reilly, Micheal Savage and Sean Hannity. The blood of the victims is on your hands.

 

Now you game hatin bastards know what it feels like. Everytime something bad happens you point at the games and the gamers. If this kind of thing is going to happen, maybe you should be pointing at your staff and yourselves.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

btw, where did Hannity ever say anything related to videogames besides this

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/01/03/unlike-bill-oreilly-sean-hannity-...

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I second this question.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Dude, please. I don't like what they have to say either, but to blame them for what some nutjob did is just as crazy as claiming GTA is to blame. And that's coming from a liberal.

The worst part about the usual "games made him/her do it"  is that is turns killers into victims.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

So do people in the media whining about harsh conditions the killers faced. Like, say, in Guantanamo?

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

You don't know that everyone in guatanamo is a killer.

 

You don't know that because they're not allowed due process or access to courts. They never have a chance to be proven guilty.

 

Basically, we just rounded up some brown people, threw them into a prison in cuba, called them evil, and that's that.

 

Hey, you're not brown, are you? Let me know, so I can call you a killer and send you to prison without a trial.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

They whine because the killers in guantanamo are hled in a fashion that ignores both the constitution of our country, and the Geneva Convention.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I thought the blood was on the shooter's hands?

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Aw, how cute.  You made three posts to defend conservatisim yet you're too chicken to post even a fake name.

 

Thought conservatives were suppose to be all proud and brave.  Pfft.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I am that Anon post and a few others here. I was posting from work and for some reason I can't log in through our Firewall. The login page is "Admin Blocked" or some dumb shit. But thanks for asking.

 

. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Not the Anon

 

I thought the blood was on the shooter's hands, or do we now apply personal responsability selectivly?

Also, what the hell is gained by him registering an accoount?

Careful, your starting to sound like JT.

 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Nah, I do agree with him that the shooter should take personal responsibility.  I'm just finding it amusing that someone would make such remarks and yet be too afraid to even come up with a screen name.  Yeah, I know, it's the internet, and the internet is full of anon really, just kind of find it amusing.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

What difference does it make, he may be a one time poster, you gain almost nothing by him having a screen name.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Never said I was looking to gain anything.  I just think it's funny. 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

SO SAYS GEOFF, KING OF THE INTERNET

 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Geoff is a cool guy. eh bitches about Anon and doesn't afraid of the internetz.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.

Wow.

Yeah, I expect Big Bear to step up and state that he'd never advocate this, and this guy is a wing-nut, and that people should stop jumping all over him. And then he'll promptly whine about liberals blowing everything out of proportion.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I say we take this and run with it.

Now we need to start agressively condemning consevative media, attempting to push bans on it in media and restrict its access, as well as condemning those who create it and distrubute it for being immoral and murder-lovers.

Then, once it's gained enough media momentum, some strong-hearted individual needs to go on national TV and spew this stupidity until someone asks 'Why' -- at which point we drop the charade and explain our point.

(A fantasy, assuredly, but the dramatics are interesting in my head.)

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

"Now we need to start agressively condemning consevative media, attempting to push bans on it in media and restrict its access, as well as condemning those who create it and distrubute it for being immoral and murder-lovers."

Fairness Doctrine, anyone? Isn't this already happening? Isn't the tolerant left already trying to restrict access and limit Conservative discussion on the airwaves?

 

 

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Isn't the tolerant left already trying to restrict access and limit Conservative discussion on the airwaves?

Yeah, cause that's going *so* well. Oh the poor oppressed Conservative media. How will they ever survive the Liberal onslaught? The only reason they want the FD back is because you can't sue Fox for lying.

The Fairness Doctrine was a good idea when it was introduced, because of the scarcity of public airwaves, there was a fear that mega-corportions could just buy up the airwaves and force an editorial bias. That situation no longer exists (thousands of radio stations, hundreds of tv stations, satellite, etc), so Conservatives can now hang out on Fox and whine about Liberals, and Liberals can hang out... well anywhere else, safe in the knowledge they won't accidentally tune into the brain-numbing stupidity that is talk-radio/O'Reilly Factor...

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

The Fairness Doctrine is either censorship or compelled speech when used. Both are unconstitutional. It was never a good idea.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

It was never a good idea.

It was a reasonable restriction on the use of a limited public resource. It wouldn't have been constititutional to apply it to newspapers or other avenues. Once the spectrum opened up, and other mediums became available (satellite, cable, etc), then it became an unnecessary restriction.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

"It was a reasonable restriction..."      Jabrwock - You listenin' to yourself there? Reasonable restriction? Sounds like a reasonable way to restrict certain speech. Um, sounds like some that good ole First Amendment violation stuff...  I don't know. Maybe it's just me.

 

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. . Wisdom begins in wonder. - Socrates . .

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Jabrwock ma boi, it was never a good idea at any point.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

It is just as likely that Conservatism whipped him into a frenzy as it is that Liberalism whipped him into a frenzy.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

 He had written a letter that said in no uncertain terms that he was killing people because liberalism ruined the country.

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I think this man should be put to death, in all honesty.

Let me explain.  I'm a Catholic and a Republican (not a neo-con, an actual republican, as in don't take away any of my rights to choose what kind of firearm I own, what kind of videogames my kids play, or my right to decide what kind of gas mileage my car gets).

However, in the world we live in, we can't force our own beliefs on people.  It's immoral, it is useless, and it is a waste of time, not to mention that it often magically transitions into violence.  We don't need a new crusade, we need a bit more tolerance.

In the name of tolerance, let's put this intolerant jackass to the syringe.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

No don't give him the death penalty,

Instead let's give him savage beatings every week, or even better send him off to Iraq so he can fight and possibly die there.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

That's what we should've done with Saddam....

I seriously think that people convicted of real crimes against humanity, or real sick shit (like shootings and stuff, like the guy in Japan that STABBED almost 20 people...) should be tortured, and maybe even put on TV or the internet, as a warning to everyone not to FUCK with the world.

Some will definatly think I'm going overboard, but really, seeing the hanging video of Saddam on the internet...it made me feel very relieved, but also that he got off VERY easy for what he did. He honestly should've been tortured, publicly, or SOMETHING more than a quick hanging...

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

 

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.

 

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

It's comments like this that scare me more than the actual sick acts themselves.

Think about what you're saying guys!

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Though its very darkageish, there is a point here public execution of known criminals especially violent was a way to keep the masses in line (it was also public entertainment but that is not he point here).  After all to often people think eh I will get what a couple of minutes in jail, three meals a day, and have to do nothing why shouldn't I go on a rampage, now if they were instead thinking I go on a rampage they will torture, belittle, publically humilate me, and then kill me they might decide shooting a paper target to vent would be better than shooting a person.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

There have been several studies showing that public executions/torture doesn't curb the crime rate. Public forms of punishment do nothing but make a joke out of our judicial system and please the ignorant.

Death penalty should always be kept private to the public.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Reading the article in full would inform you that the perpetrator expected to be shot to death by the police. I doubt the fear of capital punishment would have stopped him from doing anything. Or even the fear of perpetual torture, since suicide is not very hard to accomplish when you have a loaded shotgun in your hands.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I do believe that the absurdity of blaming either Conservatism or Liberalism for what happened was part of Dennis' point.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I wonder if Jim Adkisson would have gone on that shooting spree had he BEEN a gamer?  The reason I ponder that is most of us take our frustrations from the real world out on the virtual world since it is a healthy release of pent up frustration.

There should be a study done on gamers vs. non-gamers and how well they cope with stress.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I am curious how JT migth react to this, since this is a good example of his school of thought going wrong.

Though if JT's logic about game developers being held responsible for violence from thier products,.. imagine what would happen if you held pundits or even church leaders responsible for the acts of right wing nutjobs like this... gay lynching, abortion provider killings, etc.... these are Jack's people doing these horrors (and when I say "Jack's People', I do NOT mean 'Christisans' or 'Concervatives')....

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

You mean extremists? Yeah, there's extremists in everything, and Jack would be one of them. Same with this sick fucker

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Imagine if a few politicians proposed to censor Hannity and O'Reilly claiming that radical neoconservatism taught people to be killers.

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Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Let's hope.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

I think we've been trying to do that for years.

Re: Did Church Shooter's Obsession with Conservative Pundits

Didn't Ralph Baer invent the light gun somewhere around 40 years ago?

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