U.K Game Publishers Dispute News Report that Govt. Has Chosen BBFC over PEGI

July 30, 2008 -

As GamePolitics reported this morning, a story in British newspaper The Telegraph claims that the U.K. government has already chosen the BBFC over industry favorite PEGI as the nation's future rating system.

MCVUK is now reporting that ELSPA, which represents U.K. game publishers, has disputed The Telegraph's story. An ELSPA rep told MCV:

The reports in parts of Fleet Street are, we would suggest, purely speculation. It is scaremongering and should be treated as such. The Government is now entering into a consulation period in which in which we are assured all the issues are being considered.

No decision has been made, and ELSPA will be fully engaged in this process in the months ahead.

GP: We can't help but note that ELSPA - not the British government - is denying the story about what the British government plans to do.


 


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Control from Europe or not, I mistrust industry lapdogs as much as strict Govt rating boards. But I have the gut feeling that the BBFC being prepared to amend their mistakes is a good sign that it will be our best bet of having a moderate rating systems.

If it's too loose and panders too much to the industry, there'll be more and more incidents like we saw with Manhunt 2 and so on. Then again, if it's too strict, we'll be like the Australian system.

This is why a balance has to be achieved. Going for one extreme is just as damaging for all of us as the other.

 

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I missed this one first time around, this has to be my favourite story of the day.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/elspa-praises-ratings-system-follo...

'ELSPA director general Paul Jackson has said that the decision taken by the BBFC to ban Manhunt 2 from sale "demonstrates that we have a games ratings system in the UK that is effective".'

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People always remember the system banned Manhunt 2, and forget that, once appealed, a panel reversed the BBFC's system. Yes, I think the system was wrong to ban it, but what is important is that, at the end of the day, the system worked, it turned to one of its own components and said 'You cannot do this.'

I'm not always in agreement with the BBFC, but I do think the system works, it's not about not having flaws, it's about being able to deal with them, and the BBFC followed the rules when it was told it was in the wrong, so I don't see anything exactly 'wrong' with the system, merely with the slightly archaic views of those who choose the ratings, and that, like it was with TV content, is merely a matter of lack of familiarity and pressure from the News etc. And that, like movie ratings before them, will change over time.

 

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Sorry, that was me btw.

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AS I said above the BBFC could be prefect if it streamlined alil don’t do a full review of games under teen class unless it pushes things to near mature levels and a quick look at submitted materials will show if it needs a full review or not.

 

As for mature titles do the same even if it will lead to the manhunt 2 asshatery it would be best if they didn’t ban things, if need be slap it with a R18 pubs will quickly reroll the game to fit into the 18 level, I mean there are that canbe done to make the BFC less cumbersome.

 

Also rerating is an issue… streamline the process down already ><

 

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Your just pissed that if you lived in the UK you wouldn't be old enough to buy Manhunt.

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Well, all the R18 is, is the UK's version of AO, it's a death sentence for most video games, certainly mainstream ones, I'm no more happy about that being used in the UK as I am with it being used in the US to force content-cutbacks, but whilst the Manhunt debacle was a waste of time and money, now that the precedent has been set, the BBFC have been told that they need to re-evaluate their video-game ratings, and they will do so, they won't want a repeat of that kind of embarassment in front of the industry, otherwise, they will start losing confidence among both the industry and the public.

I'm not really bothered between PEGI and BBFC, my only concern is that I know, as a cold hard fact, that papers like the Mirror would use it against the game industry using lines like 'Europe to judge what our children see' type headlines if PEGI is used. Personally, I don't care, but much of the UK is very Britain-centric, and don't like the idea of anything being 'controlled from Europe'.

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R18 only applied to hardcore pornography and to my knowledge I can't think of any game given that rating. R18 means by law it can only be sold in licenced sex shops.

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Which is the beauty of it, if they open up R18 for violence then media has 3 choices a bipolar ban, toning it down or super restrictive sale, IMO it would be more prudent and effiecntantly effective to use the r18 than the fou ban!  

 

 

In the US AO is treated as NC17 BUT the console makers have levied a quite from the top down ban against it making it worthless.

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"The BBFC has one fatal flaw that makes it antiquated, that flaw potentially bans and restricts mature media to much"

Potential bans do not equate into actual bans.

Just my 2p

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But they have baned films and chocked down a shit storm over Manhunt 2 as gaming develops things will get worse, and as such they need to either grow up or be removed from the process.

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I call bullshit, if the Manhunt 2 story says anything is that the BBFC system is resiliant and able to adapt. Look how Americans reacted over GTA:SA, Bully and Mass Effect.

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They didn’t adapt though...the court forced them after a long amount of time wasting tons of tax payers money not to mention potential profit to the devs, if they just made it a 18 game and enforced the sales to adults things would have been A LOT BETTER.

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You are wrong. The more you post on this subject the more it becomes apparent that you really don't know much about it. Find me the story where the court forced them. You won't be able to, you know why, because it didn't happen. The BBFC applied for a judicial review on the original decision of the VAC because they felt the decision was unlawful with respect to the Video Recordings Act, the judicial review found that to be the case, the VAC then went back to deliberations and submitted a new decision which was agreed with the act and thus the game recieved its 18 certificate.

Tons of tax payer money wasted? Nope. Has the BBFC adapted, yes it has. In prior discussions about the BBFC I have pointed out that similar scenarios have occured with pornography, initially being refused a rating and assigned one thru the VAC, followed by a judical review and then given a classification decision. The BBFC adapted from this with subsequent classifications, the exact same thing with Manhunt 2.

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Of corse not they caved in befor a judement was made, and why? Rockstar had to threten to sue in roder to re jump start the god damn process becuse other wise it would have remained BANNED!

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Except that didn't happen.

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"The BBFC has one fatal flaw that makes it antiquated, that flaw potentially bans and restricts mature media to much, with the 18 age range bound by law there is no need for such petty censorship slot and and let it go tis either going to be 18 adult or 18 adult porn class(which should be expanded to include questionable media that dose not comfortably slot to 18+ that is if your that much of a nanny).

Yes the ESRB is flawed but its more due to the industry as a whole not the ratings board being a bunch of anal retards."

Actually, I've got a friend who works for the BBFC, and she was telling me that her day normally is composed up of watching porn all day.

In any case, she said that for some content to be restricted, it has to be pretty bad, as in snuff films and beastiality porn and such.

In terms of games, the BBFC actually has to play the game all the way through as opposed to analyse the content offered by the industry (which iirc caused the whole Bully scandal). How is this a bad thing that government boards actually have an opportunity to know what they're talking about?

"PEGI is just better and much more efficient because they do not have to play a game to completion."

Again, if they don't play a game to completion, how would they be able to express a clearer view on the game in order to help instruct parents in making their choices than the BBFC?

Unless what you mean by efficiency equates to being able to play some games earlier than others at the detriment of parents, children and the reputation of the games industry as a whole.

To be honest, whilst we see alot of US politicians jumping on the bandwagon regarding the censorship of games, we don't really have many more outside Keith Vaz who make a scene, and we don't take him seriously anyway. Why do you think that is?

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That’s why you make a efficient system based on fines if the publisher dose not comply properly with the guide lines in place to send in the footage to base the rating of off, there will always be controversy over anything the entertainment news system can drum up no need to make a convoluted system that delays releases and has to rerate rereleases even if there’s nothing changed and harms profits, when a more balanced setup can be done.

 

The US ratings system is SOL until the console makers grow up and start pruning games individually, with the price to make and market a game there’s not going to be a rush to make sudo porn games, perhaps a rush to add in T&A and normal gore films have had for the last 20 years…

 

I have researched about 30 games to see the differences in the main ratings boards Germany has more issues with gore as dose Japan, Euro can be one way or the other it depends more on the local PEGI variant, Oz land and new zeland are nazistic over censorship all it takes is one fcked up admin and the UK too will censor things needlessly, better to remove that power from the politations ASAP regardless of where or who they are.

Oh ya the UK mirrors Europe in ratings for the most part although they seem to treat “violence” just a tad better in comparison to the US it does not have issues with sexuality but seem to treat things like drug use a tad more harshly than the US a interesting bit of info Dreamfal: The longest journey is 15+ by Pegi while its M17 in the US even thos its been rereleased on XBL it won’t be available in the UK due to not having the time or money to rerate it, can’t find the ranting by the BBFC doesn’t even show on their site.

Frankly if the ESRB was not ham strung from the top down by the industry itself it would be a better process than the BBFC, the ESRB needs 1 huge change in it while the BBFC has 1-3 moderate issues banning, rerate unchanged “ports”, wasting time on a complete unneeded review.

“ Banning” predominantly goes to political climate it might not be an issue but do you trust government that much?

Fully Rerating is pointless unless content has changed; submitting changed content should be enough.

Full review before rating is unnecessary for 70-80% of games, but you know what if the ban threat was completely removed from the table (for anything under porn games, and most of them could easily be slotted to adult media) then full reviews would make sense, but Is still think full reviews are just burning money for teen and under ranges, submitted content would be more suitable for them unless you have a title like bully which might require a full review, mature and higher might need a full review but at mature who are you protecting by reviewing it, here again streamline it and make it more efficient focusing full reviews on games like BIoshock, Man hunt and such that try and push preconceived boundaries.

 

The BBFC and the ESRB(and oz land) are stuck in a quagmire, the ESRB being more stuck in the tree surrounded by quick sand waiting for something to change, the BBFC(and OLFOC) clinging stubbornly to the rope not going anywhere, if BBFC shaped up alil and streamlined it would be the best rating system in the world even if the ESRB could hock AO games, why you ask? Because it can slot sexuality better, does not have a ban hammer looming, has age laws assisting it and a full review process for questionable titles this makes for perfection IMO (because gore/violence will be slotted to adult and not worried about so much because there is no ban hammer).

 

 

The best I see the US doing is the console makers will snub games on a case by case basis letting AO titles trickle onto the consoles once or twice a year….

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"a interesting bit of info Dreamfal: The longest journey is 15+ by Pegi while its M17 in the US even thos its been rereleased on XBL it won’t be available in the UK due to not having the time or money to rerate it, can’t find the ranting by the BBFC doesn’t even show on their site."

 

Uh...Are we talking about Dreamfall: The Longest Journey by Funcom?

Why are you saying that it wasn't available in the UK? I bought it from a GAME store in Ashford for £20....I've been seeing it around for ages already.

In fact, let me go and fetch it from my bookshelf...

Ok right. 16+ rating from PEGI. No rating from BBFC. Still didn't stop the shops from stocking it legally.

So what's your point?

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Good catch Anon,

Wrong yet again Zippy, Dreamfall has been out here for 2 years. Oh and I think you will find that the BBFC have said that in such a scenario a re-classification may not warrent a full fee.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/news/stories/20071017.html

Tell me something (try to get this correct) how much do you think it costs to rate a game and how long do you think it takes?

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XBL=X box live, it was ratedonce but the publishers don;t want to go through the process again to get it on XBL.

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You are talking rubbish.

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Citation?

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This is a comma -> ,

This is his cousin, a full stop -> .

They want to be your friend. Please proof read what you post, your comments make the baby jesus' eyes bleed.

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My gramamr sucks and probley will remain bad dueto my learnign disabiltis, so either gain some reading comperhention or crital thinking skills or don't bother reading it.*lick*

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My god, it's like reading Joyce, filtered through the mind of a 14 year old with ADHD.

Do you think maybe, just maybe you could proofread what you type and invest in some punctuation?

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"Again, if they don't play a game to completion, how would they be able to express a clearer view on the game in order to help instruct parents in making their choices than the BBFC?"

 

You are right to say that the BBFC does gain through playing the content. In my view that is because the context in which the material appears has always been important to the BBFC in their classification role (in both linear and interactive media).

To say they play games to completion is somewhat disingenuous. They do play the game, but they also watch show reels of all the pre-rendered sequences. They also play the game with access to a de-bug mode which gives them easy access to the majority of game content quickly. That allows them to see what they want without having to go through all the content as a normal gamer would. As the fee is based on the time taken to review the material it is in the publisher’s interest to give the BBFC access to what they want quickly and easily.

 

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I agree with

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"Anal retards"? How is this post not trolling, I ask you?

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Says the troll with no name, did you even see the videos regarding Manhunt 2?

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The BBFC has one fatal flaw that makes it antiquated, that flaw potentially bans and restricts mature media to much, with the 18 age range bound by law there is no need for such petty censorship slot and and let it go tis either going to be 18 adult or 18 adult porn class(which should be expanded to include questionable media that dose not comfortably slot to 18+ that is if your that much of a nanny).

Yes the ESRB is flawed but its more due to the industry as a whole not the ratings board being a bunch of anal retards.

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I saw this in the Telegraph today (don't jump to any conclusions on my political leanings based on this fact) and wondered where this had come from.

It's also been blown out of proportion slightly. GP has actually misreported this, doing exactly what The Telegraph did by sensationalising the situation, but without then going on to explain what exactly the paper has claimed. Neither GP article actually gives any of the details of the claims made by The Telegraph. Pretty flimsy news reporting if you ask me.

 

Here's the actual story:

Although the title of the story is intentionally sensationalist and headline-grabbing (it appeared in a small section on the front page under the heading "All games to get film-style age rating"), the body of the story explains that all this is is a proposal from ministers in government that all games should be rated. Big deal? Not really. GP has chosen to focus on the BBFC thing because the organisation's been in the news and has a bad rep with gamers.

How will the situation change?

At the moment games are self-rated under the PEGI system unless they contain certain material unsuitable for a broader audience. The BBFC rates any games that declare themselves or are found to be containing "human sexual activity" or "gross violence". Essentially, age ratings only have to appear on the game box if they are of an adult nature. Also to change is how online games are treated: currently they do not fall under any legislation (from MMORPGs to play-in-browser Flash games). Now there are proposals to regulate these games just like all other games.

What's the big deal?

The article claims that the BBFC's current role of only making the calls on the aforementioned games (roughly 1 in 50) will be expanded. This is old news and was strongly hinted at in the original Byron Report. It also hinges on the fact these are proposals for discussion. The government is currently in a consultation period and this is just one idea being put forward. Most importantly, there is absolutely no information, not even rumour mongering on how the BBFC's role is going to be expanding, if at all.

Chinese whispers?

I feel GP should have been a bit more forthcoming with this information in its reporting because both the GP articles clearly implies that the BBFC has been favoured over PEGI, which is not accurate. GP either hasn't bothered reading the article properly, or is being deliberately selective with the information it's putting across. The only reference to the BBFC in the article is to say Byron recommended its role be expanded, which we already knew. Either way it seems like games journalists -whether left wing or right- are all suffering from a severe bout of Chinese whispers on this topic.

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This is clearly a continued attempt by ELSPA to influence the process. They are already on the back foot (note the cricketing term) and are now fighting a rearguard action to try and show they haven't already lost the agruement.

The writing was on the wall after Byron. The Govt don't commission a big piece of independant research in an area like this then ignore the results; especially when following ELSA's argument would be seen as caving in to the interests of the 'self serving' industry. Not a wise political choice in the current UK political climate.

 

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IAWTP

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Oh crap. :(

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>We can't help but note that ELSPA - not the British government - is denying the story about what the British government plans to do.

I thought this when I read the article. It does seem worryingly like the games industry was the last to know what's happening.

The whole thing does seem horribly like some kind of foregone conclusion, like the whole thing has not been "see what is better: PEGI or the BBFC", but "make the games industry understand that the BBFC is better, then force them to use it even if they don't."

Aside, I discovered earlier that theatre in the UK used to be under BBFC-style censorship, but this was overturned following protest. I wonder if the same can happen with games, and if it can, will ELSPA have the balls to do it?

/b

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By theatre you mean cinema?  The yes, it still is rated by BBFC, only local councils are allowed to overrule the ratings if they wish, though they have only ever done this to ban cinema screenings rather than make them available, for example Monty Python's Life of Brian and The Exorcist in a couple of boroughs.

As for the forcing them to use a rating... well unlike the US, it is not a voluntary system so in any event they will be forced to use whatever the government deems best.  As BBFC is tried and tested and PEGI doesn't actually view the games, I can see why the government would fall on a certain side.  What you might find is that while BBFC will review more mature titles to determine 18 or 15, PEGI might be allowed to review the 12 and under games.  To be honest, that is pretty much what happens now except it will have an official stamp on things.

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Theatre as in the stage. Sorry that wasn't clear.

/b

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What was your point then exactly?  You suggesting that the UK is backwards because at the time of 1968 we had a censorship of theatre?  In 1968, the USA was in the middle of the Black civil rights movement, infact  Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968...  I think befor eyou start casting aspertions at a nation you need to look at your own history...

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Mature class games and media can be baned and restricted from sale in country and treated as contra ban sorry thats the hole in the BBFC  that makes it weaker than the ESRB who can't handle sex/nudity in most games, with the 18 level bound by law there is no need to nanny what adults can see, until the BBFC starts slotting media appropriately and shuts its whiny maw PEGI is just better and much more efficient because they do not have to play a game to completion.

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Guess what Zippy, if PEGI or even the ERSB were to be given the job of video game regulator for the UK they would operate under the Video Recordings Act 1984 and would therefore have the mandate to withhold classification to material stipulated in that act.

Speaking personally, I think the ESRB shows the weakness in an industry led classification although what I am about to highlight may be considered a result of the political climate over video game media in the US rather than failings of the ESRB (it is important to note is substantially different the the climate over in the UK.) I feel that were it not for retailers refusing to stock games marks Adult Only then the ERSB would be more inclined to hand out that certification. If this actually is the case then it shows how easily the industry would bend the rules to suit themselves.

With regards to the PEGI methodology where you say efficient, I say lax. I do not see how you can justify saying PEGI is superior. TBH I highly doubt you have any experience with the BBFC classification "media slotting."

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The BBFC is held down by the anally retentive censor board the ESRB is held down by the industry as a whole, it’s not just retail it’s the family friendly image the console makers even MS want to keep, its far deeper and convoluted in the US.

If the BBFC would remove the tree from its butt and slot the media that’s regulated by law BTW it would be one of the better rating systems made but censorship+ wasted time playing a whole game when a contracted legal agreement  to show the worst content and script is more than antiquate enough with heavy fines to make the process stable and efficient, and is a reason why some devs don't bother porting stuff to the UK it’s not worth the time, also potential money is lost as stuff gets put on hold as its "rated", playing a game completely for a rating is asinine.

I do not think the game industry would be pulling for PEGI to send ratings back to 85, somehow I think they will have planed something to update the process, with laws to bind the sale of mature media even that which is not “restricted”(porn) it does not matter which slots the media as long as the media is not censored or banned both of which can happen and one of which happens often enough to bring into question the need of such high restrictions of the BBFC.

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"The BBFC is held down by the anally retentive censor board the ESRB is held down by the industry as a whole"

And yet whilst people keep throwing the Manhunt 2 example about, they seem to forget the Oblivion re-rating nonsense on the ESRB's side of the pond.  Back when modders were changing content there was a big fuss by politicians and papers about it and the ESRB changed the rating from Teen to Mature.  And yet I sit here with my Copy of Oblivion with a nice little 15 sticker remaining on it.  There was no capitulation to political pressure THIS side of the Atlantic.  Makes you think, doesn't it?

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The reason ELSPA wants PEGI is so they can have leverage over the process.

Clearly there is a difference of opinion between yourself and the UK gamers here. Let me ask you this, would you trust a games review who only played snippets of a game or were given a guided tour by a publisher? I certainly wouldn't. Your "streamlined" approach fails to consider things such as narrative and context.

I will reiterate this point, if PEGI or the ERSB were the games classifier for the UK they would be accountable under the Video Ratings Act to refuse classification to media which based on the criteria set forth in that act. That is an undeniable fact.

Devs not porting stuff to the UK because of the BBFC? Now your just being dense, the primary reason games don't make it to Europe is because of localisation costs and the fact that they market doesn't support many niech games. Your just making stuff up as you go along,

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Agreed... I missed the bull**** about games not being released over here because of "costs to rate".  Thats laughably wrong.  The reason historically has been converting from NSTC to PAL, Converting languages to French, German, Italian and Spanish for a global European release and sometimes just a belief that the Europeans aren't interested in those sorts of games.  The latter has been largely overturned when Square-Enix realised they were selling more per capita of their RPGs here than in the US, but we still miss out on some great Japanese games due to this belief.  At least ChronoTrigger is coming to the DS now :)

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"At least ChronoTrigger is coming to the DS now :)"

And about bloody time too, I've been waiting for a handheld game version of that for sometime now. :)

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Oh why don't you bugger off and pirate some games, Zippy? Yeesh...


 

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Arrgg matey, me wooden leg aches, there just be no booty worth argervating it these days.

:P

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Re: U.K Game Publishers Dispute News Report that Govt. Has

 

There was censorship in the theatre from 1773 til 1968 by the Lord Chamberlain, but the last act of censorship was in 1965. No plays were stopped per se, but the scripts were censored to remove 'offending' sections.

Notwithstandng the Act it did not apply to 'Members' theatres, which sprang up to accomodate those who wished to view plays without the approval of the Lord Chamberlain.

I don't think it's a very pertinent example.

 

Re: U.K Game Publishers Dispute News Report that Govt. Has

Its like I said on the other topic, GP only seems to report UK news from right wing news papers or MCV. Neither of which are exactly the best resources.

I would like to point out that many people claimed the Byron Report was a foregone conclusion long before it was even published.

 
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