Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

August 5, 2008 -

Esquire's Stephen Marche waxes philosophical on the nature of violence in American media - and especially in Grand Theft Auto IV:

Purification through violence has always been one of America’s central political mythologies, created and nurtured by figures as diverse as George Washington, John Brown, Malcolm X, and Dick Cheney. It’s the necessary inheritance, perhaps, of a revolutionary nation’s birth in blood... Obsessed with violence and terrified of sex: That’s practically the definition of American culture...

 

With the fourth installment of Grand Theft Auto, the series has finally achieved cultural normalcy -- at least none of the usual hypocrites has started whining yet. The game is a perfect expression of violence without restraint... Grand Theft Auto is comedy purified: a safe alternate world in which to break the law as profoundly and as often as you like. It’s the up-to-the-minute form of a primordial joy, a kind of digital Valhalla. Kill with nobody dying. Steal with nobody losing. Repeat for eternity.

 


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Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

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Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

This may be a little off track, but that issue of Esquire has an article about the shooter who did the NIU shootings in Dekalb Illinois. I live near Dekalb. I haven't seen the article myself, but I was told they mention the shooter played video games. This is true to my knowlege. I know this becuase I used to see him in some video game stores around town. Funny thing is I never saw him pick up anything real violent when I saw him.

Like I said, off track, but I just figured I'd put this out here.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

the usual hypocrites starting whining at least a year before it was released. 

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The idea that the United States is currently a violent culture because of a centuries-old history born and steeped in a revered tradition of violence isn't far-fetched to me. Like what? Americans only began killing off each other yesterday?

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Americans aren't inherently more violent than other people. In fact we are probably one of the more subdued peoples, do to our wealth.

Violence is an animal instinct, it is an evolutionary survival mechanism. If you want to be a human rather than an animal, you have to ignore your violent impulses, even when they are strongest.

Videogames provide a safe, non-violent environment to work out our violent animal impulses. Hazzah for that!

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Not yesterday. It was the advent of Doom that got us started. If history were recorded properly and not rewritten every 5 years or so, we would know that the American Revolution was settled over tea and crumpets followed by cheese and crackers.

The Civil War was really not a war but a series of checkers matches resulting in the North winning the tournement.

World War I and II were actually an olympics of sorts consisting of boat races and competitive airshows resulting in the panel of judges ruling that the Allied forces were the better teams.

Real history would be nice if we would stop rewriting it to be so bloody and deadly.

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Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Each other, our neighbors, their neighbors, people who were here before we were, people who wouldn't sell to large railroad companies, people half way around the world, people south of us, people North of us, and people who weren't the same race or religion as us... Nope none of that happened before the introduction of GTA. [/ end sarcasm]

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Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

On the line "obsessed with violence and terrified of sex" I still think that can be explained in a logical way, at least on the higher level. Sex hits closer to home. Couples may have sex a few times a week, but don't see people getting killed before their eyes or trucks exploding a whole lot (may be different for some of the military). That's all I'm trying to say. Why sex itself is a bad thing, I don't know, it varies. Even the most secular of all families are hit by the religious underpinnings on sexual situtations.

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The whole article is a rather interesting read. That, and I didn't know you could blow up a virtual Museum of Natural History (that's the one with the fun stuff, the Met has paintings), sounds zanny. I love that cover too.

The whining started as soon as the game was announced in production, with some politicians claiming kids could get it already :P

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Better than that, you get an achievement for it, Impossible Trinity.

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"at least none of the usual hypocrites has started whining yet." huh?

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Maybe he gets his news from television? McCain and Larry King have never used the Internet. Not everybody lives the same lives we do.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

Exactly. Most were hwining but recently went quiet, and one looks for every opportunity to whine.

Re: Esquire Dishes on Violence in GTA IV

This guy just won the Internet!

I'd vote him king of the world....



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