Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

August 5, 2008 -

The Gawker Media Network has gaming super-blog Kotaku in its stable, presumably to handle the video game coverage chores.

And, judging from this poorly-reasoned post by blogger Hamilton Nolan, it's clear that Gawker itself ought to stick to celebrity gossip and let Kotaku do the heavy lifting when it comes to game issues. From Nolan: 

This is an absolute nightmare scenario for video game manufacturers, who must now be thanking their Pagan gods that it didn't happen in the US: a teenager in Bangkok murdered a taxi cab driver in an attempt to reenact a scene from Grand Theft Auto.

Where has Nolan been?

First, in recent years there have been high profile wrongful death suits filed against teen killers who played GTA in both Alabama and New Mexico. The Alabama case is still going on, the New Mexico case was tossed. Further back there have been unsuccessful video game suits based on the Columbine and Paducah school shootings.

Second, Nolan has apparently taken the initial newspaper and Thai government accounts at face value. Even a little scrutiny indictates that a standard-issue taxi robbery gone bad is the far more likely scenario.

The details of the crime seem to confirm the worst fears of all anti-video game crusaders: a good kid led astray, and willing to do anything to get his fix of violence...

 

The incident makes GTA look like a mix of the worst elements of trashy media and crack cocaine. Rockstar, which makes the game, hasn't commented, but they'll have to do something serious. The day this happens in America is the day video game content regulation becomes a reality.

Good kid? That's hard to know from a distance, but as GamePolitics reported earlier today, there are some indications that Polwat Chinno was a troubled kid. Wait, at 19, a troubled man.

Moreover, Rockstar will just ride this out as they always do. Finally, claims that games have sparked horrific crimes have already been made in the U.S. several times, as we've pointed out. Video game content legislation has failed and games remain protected speech under the Constitution.
 


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Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

I'm all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there's one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what's stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you'll find they don't think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they'll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless... yeah.

The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can't figure out the controls for Halo so it's frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it's in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child's life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can't be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It's too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

That guy can rot in hell with the kid going to jail.  Don't we have enough issues going on in this world than to add to the mix of idiots talking crap about every other country in the world?  If you want to talk crap about Africa's dirtier countries... fine, the corperate world of a country...  good, the government of a country... GREAT!, but the people of that country as a whole, where every member of those countries are are vastly different from one another....

I would like to take this guy to the meusam of torcher and learn how some of those things work.  We have enough crap flying around without his mindly ranting with absolutely no creditiable thought that could be counted even somewhat near useful for the better of man kind.  If you are going to talk crap about people or anything for that matter, at least be productive with your comments.

We have enough idiots in web forums saying 'yeah they suck' to more than make up for mindless rants of wasted time, and obviously wasted lives that could be put to some use if the people would actually try to be part of society...

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Okay sorry, I just hate hearing people like this Gawker guy...  You could at least be funny in the stuff you say if nothing else...

On a lighter note the Mars Lander found water, and the Olympics are still on for the time being...

Just a thought

The blog post made on gawker could be sarcastic.  I don't know if someone else has mentioned this already, but it smacks of sarcasm to me.

Re: Just a thought

Actually, the post came from Times Online, which has a history of game bashing, so I doubt he was kidding.

(I wish he was though, he sounded very bigoted.)

Re: Just a thought

I was getting that vibe as well tbh. I mean come on "thank their pagan gods" if thats not sarcastic I don't know what is.

Forget folk trying to emulate video games, its the folk trying to emulate each others posts on this website we should be worried about ;)

Re: Just a thought

Lets have a look at some of Nolans history and see if there is a pattern to sarcasm in there.

"Most Americans are coarse oafs whose idea of fine dining is a grilled cheese sandwich with Grey Poupon on the side. So we all tend to like shouty British TV chef Gordon Ramsay, who screams cuss words at people on reality shows, which is behavior we all relate to. "

"We'll try to break this situation down for you as gently as possible so than any Australian members of our audience don't immediately begin tearing off their clothes and taking topless pictures of themselves, which seems to be a typical reaction to the following story amongst a certain demographic."

"Ladies, have a look at this ad featuring skinny supermodel Kate Moss. How does it make you feel? Wait, let me tell you how it makes you feel: it makes you hate your own body, but really want to purchase that handbag Kate Moss is advertising! What am I, psychic? No, I'm just telling you what the advertising industry has discovered in a breakthrough new study about skinny models. "

"Esquire seems very earnestly convinced that their flashing e-Ink cover this October will revolutionize the print industry with awesome shifting pixels. There are only a few things holding back the revolutionary technology: it's thick as hell, it's not entirely flexible, the color on the e-paper is so bad that the magazine had to overlay a tinted sheet of plastic on the cover, and the magazine has to be delivered on refrigerated trucks. After these minor glitches are worked out, here comes the future!"

Well none that I can see. There goes that theory.

Re: Just a thought

So, because he's often sarcastic that means that he's ALWAYS sarcastic and we should just assume that this piece he wrote is sarcasm?

And as someone whose English and grammar skills are higher than average and as someone who is a prolific reader I detect absolutely no sarcasm in this post concerning this crime in Thailand (EDIT - I should clarify... there is some sarcasm in the post, but none in terms of the way the story is reported by Nolan. That is to say that while he quips, the story itself is written in a genuine way). So, just because you can find a few quotes where Nolan is sarcastic (by the way... big deal... what contributor to the GMN ISN'T sarcastic... seriously, it's like making a point to illustrate how Joey is "extra-wacky" when ultimately the entire cast of Friends are all bent and wierd in their own way) doesn't mean that every article he posts is sarcastic.

I think you may be reaching a little...

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

"This is an absolute nightmare scenario for video game manufacturers, who must now be thanking their Pagan gods that it didn't happen in the US"

That may be the most offensive part of the quote.

Look, I'm as big a consumer advocate as you're going to find, and my default assumption IS that corporations care more about their bottom line than they do about people.

But I gotta tell you, when I hear someone has been murdered, my first thought isn't "Thank God (pagan or otherwise) it didn't happen in America", it's "That's horrible."  And I am going to reasonably assume that most people, regardless of their concern for the bottom line, will react the same.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

That's not my first thought.

Mine is "Thank the Lord Above that wasn't me or anybody I know."

Then it's "That's horrible."

It wasn't meant to be taken as a serious comment

"The police" was a not too media savvy officer who made an off the cuff comment that could as easily have been "probably on drugs", or "probably a psycho". He wasn't expecting to be treated as though he'd written a full psychological profile.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Why are we taking Gawker seriously again?

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What? What the FUCK was

What? What the FUCK was that? And what was all that "Pagan Gods" crap? That just came off as fucking retarded. The whole damn article.

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Just what I expected from GP comments - a bunch of video game lovers saying, "we're not to blame".

Why can't you all just read books!  Ideally, The Good Book!

I mean... when was the last time anyone was ever murdered in the name of God?!

 

 

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Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Nobody was "murdered" in the name of God! The heathens were simply "liberated" from the weakness of the flesh...

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Pagan gods? In the US? huh.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

There are people who practice pagain traditions in the US.

This person however is likely using the religion to try and garner more hatred toward the industry

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Hack coverage from a Gawker Media site?  Say it ain't so!  Granted, this issue is best left to Kotaku but what they consider "heavy lifting" from a journalistic perspective isn't much better than this.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

The Gawker Media Network has gaming super-blog Kotaku in its stable, presumably to handle the video game coverage chores.

it's clear that Gawker itself ought to stick to celebrity gossip and let Kotaku do the heavy lifting when it comes to game issues.

Umm, I wouldn't say that, I remember quite a few FUD/lie filled/absurdly-clueless articles from them....

Still I do think that they have been quite good at coverage of stuff like this, especially when they call out and question the stuff said.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

 I'm not afraid of video game regulation. It would be ruled unconstitutional as usual.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

I always find it funny how videogame related crime seems so new.  Because you all know that this has never happened in any other kind of media.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/electronic-publications/stay-free/archives/20...

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Yeah, well, don't expect much from a guy who's job is essentially a blogging paparazzi.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

The author of this article doesn't know a tautology if it hit him in the face.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Hmm, somebody from Gawker talking out of their ass. Who'd have thought, eh?

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

"video game manufacturers, who must now be thanking their Pagan gods that it didn't happen in the US"

SO, basically , since many liken Pagans to satanists.... er, yeah, he's assuming there are no christians working in the industry, which I can assure there are.

'The day this happens in America is the day video game content regulation becomes a reality."

Only in Jack Thompson's wet dreams.

ANd news check, it's been happenign in the US and the "GTA made me do it" defense hasn't worked once.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

"video game manufacturers, who must now be thanking their Pagan gods that it didn't happen in the US"

That's the part that just made me double-take, simply because where did it come from, exactly?  Just so damned odd.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Made me double take too. Find it pretty weird that one would assume there are no christian game makers. It makes you wonder about the writer's credibility, or atleast it makes me.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Because video games are evil, and are only created by satanists and Cthulhu worshippers to lead astray good Christian children.

(I'm a Christian and a gamer.)

Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

GP complaining about a blogger taking their information from just one source and then misrepresenting it. Oh thats a classic. Think about this next time you rip a story from MCV and stick a sensationalisic headline on it.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Hypocrite.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

He would only be a hypocrite if he was writing such stories; he isn't.

Having read through a lot of the BBFC stuff that was sensationalised on here recently, I would suggest that the anonymous poster has just gotten rather fed up of the increasingly tabloid method of reporting on here.  The recent comments on the thai gamer's t shirt not having blood on it was frankly ludicrous.

I can't say that I disagree with his sentiments especially given I've been coming here for years now and watched it become something it didn't used to be.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Who's the MCV?  This headline is nothing like the Gawker one, "Murder Confirms Every Bad Stereotype About Video Games." Like Knight said, the "story" qualifier of the post is that it comes from the same media group as Kotaku, a very popular gaming blog.

 

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Where exactly is GP complaining that Nolan took his information from just one source and then misrepresented it?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Exactly. Dennis is pointing out that one of the sites whose owners also own one of the best gaming news sites is misrepresenting this case and gamers in general.

He is complaining about the seemingly lack of consistancy between Gawker owned sites.

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Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Perhaps because they have different editorial staff and different writers? Just because News Corp own the Wall Street Journal doesnt mean that the New York Post can't post a story about finance and fluff it.

Hello John Bruce Thompson

Where would you be without GamePolitics?

Re: Hello John Bruce Thompson

You do raise a good point tho, JT would barely get any attention if weren't for GT's blog. JT craves to read his own name.

Re: Hello John Bruce Thompson

On Slashdot most likely.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Yet another "anonymous" commenter railing against one of the better sources of integrity in the gaming news scene?  Also classic.

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Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Another "cooldude25c" acting like his fake stupid name is better than a commonly-used fake stupid name? Also classic.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

The US gaming scene perhaps, but the rest of the world, no so much. UK stories are often misreported, poorly editorialised and sensational.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Well Dennis IS American....it's sometimes hard to get info that's from another country 100% right...

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Fair enough, I try not to read the Sun either.

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Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

Now THIS might be Jack.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

 

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Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

If I were Jack I'd do at least one of the following:

mention 60 minutes,

insult your intelligence,

lie at least once.

Just hightlighting that GP isn't the pinacle of blogging.

Re: Hello Mr Pot, Hello Mr Kettle.

All so true.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Memo to Hamilton Nolan:  Fact checking...it's not just for crusty old newsmen with cigars and suspenders. Hamilton Nolan is the worst stereotype of a so-called "media professional" writing about video games without actually knowing anything about the culture surrounding video games. His next blog should be how the iPhone 3G will kill the Nintendo DS in the handheld gaming wars.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

Actually his next blog should be a retraction of the previous one and an apology to gamers in general, but that's not likely to happen.

Re: Gawker Goes Clueless on GTA Cabbie Murder

That is just sad and pathetic.

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