McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

August 19, 2008 -

The campaign of Republican presidential contender John McCain has taken an oddly-worded, RPG-themed shot at supporters of Barack Obama who questioned a story the former P.O.W. told during a weekend forum at high-profile pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church.

From the CNN account:

During a presidential forum at Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church on Saturday, McCain told a story of a guard who wordlessly drew a cross in the dirt one Christmas, describing it as a moment that gave him strength.

 

Critics in the blogosphere said that McCain, who was released in 1973, had not mentioned the incident until shortly before his 2000 presidential bid... They also pointed to similarities between McCain’s account and a similar story in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago, his account of life in the Soviet labor camp system.

 

McCain aide Michael Goldfarb, in a message posted on the campaign’s Web site Monday [wrote] “It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others...”


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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it's due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA's Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there's no one left on the Board.

Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.

 

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I'm also with Obama. Whatever newspapers, TVs or radios will say I'll go with him all the way. I really appreciate what he has done and I'm sure that he will also do what he has promised us lately.

ps: when working with my maytag parts I have the same discussion every day. People trying to convince me that he's not the one, but they don't the chance with me.

 

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Great to see McCain fully countering that image he alleges Obama of creating out of thin air of him being an out of touch doddering senile old man.

 

"Dungeons and Dragons are the devil! Who stole my shirt? I remember when a bag of chips cost a dime! Let me tell you stories about the war!"

 

Thanks for that stirring rebuttal, Senator McCain. Truly, you have your finger on the pulse of our nation's youth.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Funny thing is: I'm American Militaray. Navy, even, same Branch as Senator McCain.
I play D&D.
I find the random insertion of D&D in there hilarious.
Bad, bad advert.
Also - Bad Campaign manager. No Starbucks.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Wow, and I was a McCain supporter and played dungeons and dragons.  So that means now I am automatically Pro-obama and live in a basement? Just for playing a silly game?

Nice critical fail.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Yeah, it's one of the Republican party's failings.  They just keep alienating younger conservative leaning folks with stuff like this.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

LOL, I love the mom's basement joke. And I hate the assertion that all internet-savvy people are Obama-phytes. 

Please, people.  Look at the two candidates' voting records at Congress.org.  Make yor decision on THAT, and not what some asshat on  their campaign staffs says.  Or what the newsmedia makes you believe.

Here are some interesting facts for you: Obama is not a terrorist.  McCain is a war-hero.  Obama's voting record is straight "D."  McCain's shows him to be less "R" than fringe-wingers would like.  The Iraq War was supported by the American public, and Congress, with a record high approval rating.  The Iraq War isn't a failure.  Gas prices and dependance on oil isn't the fault of Oil Companies or the US Government.  I know, the TeeVee or the InterWebs says I'm lying.  Do some research - find the truth for ourself.

The American Public has purchased gas-guzzling muscle cars for decades.  We supported the War and then cried when it didn't end in a month.  We want cheap disposable consumer goods at one-stop-shop, cut-rate prices, and them complain when China gets our manufacturing jobs and Wal-Mart takes out mom-and-pops.  We want cheap houses and we buy them without research and then cry when our A.R.M. or balloon payment forcloses our houses.    We voted G.W. Bush into office twice.  We voted for change in the '06 Congressional Election and look what we got - more of the same.  You want change? DO NOT VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN.

We have the power to fix most of the hot-button media honking issues ourselves, but we're stupid or lazy to do it.

We have the government we deserve.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

"The Iraq War isn't a failure."

 

Really?  So they found the WMDs then?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

How coy.  You are confusing failure, with mistake.  And the argument for "Bush Lied," is moot, as both Congress and the American public supported the war at the onset.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Okay then how do you quantify success then?  I surmise some kind of Iraqi body count or something?  The purpose of the war was to remove the threat that Saddam supposedly held due to WMD.  But as they, as anyone with half a brain knew before the invasion started, didn't have any weapons the goal cannot be reached.  When you don't reach a goal, you fail.

 

But if you want to quantify success on US shotting THEM.  Yeah, we are doing a stellar job.

 

At this point it doesn't matter if Bush lied or if he is just a moron.  The failure is the same.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I quantify an eventual success as helping to create a stable democratic government, and doing so without the need for permanent occupation. 

WMD's weren't the only threat that Saddam's regime had to the region.  I know the idea of something being neither a failure or complete success is difficult to grasp, especially on the Red Vs Blue internet.  Don't hurt yourself trying to think about it too hard.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

By your definition of success, we lost World War II.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Trying to force a democratic government in a region of the world that already accuses us, false or no, as trying to poison thier culture with our own is at best a foolish thing to do.  Beyond that democracy is a difficult process in the US with the Democrats and Republicans.  Now how much harder would that process be with the Shites and Sunnis whose secondary wish for death after Americans is each other? 

I'm just baffled why we have it in our heads why democarcy is the only viable type of government.  What we really need to do is try and really put an honest effort into alternative fuel sources as well as trying to, without too much damage to our ecology, drill in our own country more so we can cut off all relations with the middle east and give them what they think they want, for us to leave them alone.  Then let them wither and die as we cut off thier only source of money, oil.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Shooting them rather.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Yes, but I don't see it as moot, as the original intention, or so told, was that Iraq had WMDs. Now I'm not saying there are not other reasons, but that was a big one, and I doubt without that, that the public or Congress would have gone along with it. Then it turns out there were none. And now, speculation (see: Ron Suskind, "The Way of the World") that it wasn't simply lying, but forging false evidence.

While the argument won't help fix anything, true, it still is valid as an argument, in my opinion, as one of the central ideas of going to war in the first place turned out to be false. I don't see it as a "mistake." I see it as a purposeful misleading by an incompetent and unreasonable administration. And quite frankly, I piss on the masses for voting for him in the first place (I didn't, I wasn't old enough, though I knew I didn't want Bush).

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Your accusation of "purposeful misleading," is pretty bold.  Yes, some of the 'evidence' was shown to be hear-say (but what evidence isn't), and the UN weapons inspectors where somewhat perplexed by the presented evidence (but the UN has been fairly ineffectual in curtailing Saddam's excesses).  But people's focus on WMD's simply ignores the other body of evidence against Saddam's regime (genocide, repression of religious and other freedoms).  And you simply can't brush the fact that the flag-waving public and Congress almost unanimously voted for the war. 

"We Were Lied To," is a simpleton's excuse.  It ingores the fact that Americans, including Congress and the President, had no clue that sectarian violence would be more devastating than the actual invasion of Iraq. Ignorance doesn't equal falsehood.  You can argue the reason(s) for going to war all day, and at the end of the day, it's meaningless (or rather one for the historians).  Calling the Iraq War a "failure" is, at best, laboring under the false, foregone conclusion that no war is justifiable, and at worst, sheer ignorant parroting of the MSM's cant on issues.

The ignorance of American politicans is the problem, not party affiliation.  The '04 and '06 elections have taught me one thing:  The solutions to real issues do not lay with either main politcal party.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Well, Bush read the report saying that the Yellowcake was a lie, but decided to report that Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire significant quantities of Uranium from Africa anyway.

 

So if you lie, knowing it's a lie, I think it's a lie.

 

I know you left-wing whackjobs will want to redefine 'lie' so you can use some politically correct term like "truthfully deficient", but you know what? I'm sick of you whackjobs going out there and redefining words. Just because you call a spade a pokey shovel doesn't change the fact that it's a spade.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

As long as we're doing research and finding the truth for ourselves should we look up the definiton of "fact" so we don't make debatable opionon statments, call them facts and look like idiots?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I know what a fact is.  And you've done nothing to refute what I've said, so DIAF anon-troll.

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I think McCain is just getting so old he is forgetting what he read and what has happened...

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

The McCain campaign keeps replaying the Vietnam war card ad nauseum.  It's going to wear itself thin soon.

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Capitol Gaming

http://capitolgaming.blogspot.com

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

As I said above, this is a reflection of the people he surrounds himself with.  These are the type of people who will advise him on matters.  If I have an issue with his aides then I will have an issue with him.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

HAS Everyone Lost Sight of the Fact that his AID made this Comment and Not McCain Himself.   I LOVE THE INTERNET.. Lets loose the Facts and BLOW Things out of Proportion.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

 HAS Everyone Lost Sight of the Fact that his FORMER PASTOR made this Comment and Not Obama Himself. I LOVE THE INTERNET.. Lets loose the Facts and BLOW Things out of Proportion.

 

Are you a bot or do you just not know how to properly use "shift"?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Good job, McCain and co.! Don't adress the substance of the accusations or provide evidence, just spew out some brainless ad-hominem attacks.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I really don't like how the whole 'I was a prisoner of war' thing is used as a license to say whatever you like and some sort of holy shield of protection against criticism.  McCain quite possibly is telling the truth, but the fact that this cross story only turned up now instead of during all those years between then and now would make anybody with a little bit of cynicism suspicious.  Just because the Dungeons and Dragons crowd happens to be more analytical than religious sycophants is no reason for his aide to lash out at them in what looked like a very random attack.  It's evidence of a dangerous prejudice.

People doubting the PR they are fed is what keeps politicians and media accountable.  It's not just some personality quirk of geeks in a basement.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

 And yet Kerry's service wasn't a shield against attacks. Guess that's because he's a commie liberal.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I can only assume guys this old equate dungeons and dragons with devil worship, and they must be Satanists because why wouldn't they be impressed with some bullshit inspirational story about a guy drawing religious symbols in the dirt!?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

um....remind me how this relates to video games?  This article being on this site is really a stretch - I can see how you can make the logical leap but it's a wide leap none the less.  McCain attacks geeks (not even so much as mentioning video games), so we have to get revenge by posting nasty things about him on our blog!  That will show him! Way to go "news" blog!

*sigh* It's going to be a long election cycle if the Obama-circle-jerking in the comments is any indication.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

1. Why do you care so much? It's just one news blog out of millions, for chrissakes.
 

2. Wow, one Pro-Obama comment is a 'circle-jerk'? I bet you only watch Fox News. Oh, sorry, i spelt that wrong: "Faux Noise."
3. We know that neither of them probably read this blog. We're not trying to spam his e-mail address, for crying out loud. I mean, geez, read the comments already.

Please, act like you're at least old enough to vote before you start putting words in our mouth.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Just because it's only one post doesn't make it right - I don't like partisan posts in my supposedly non-partisan video game politics blog.  If this site wants to have any sort of claim to journalism then I think it has to hold itself to the non-partisan standard.  And in the past it has been - being critical of both parties, but only brining them up when there was actually video game news related to the story.  This story has neither objectivity nor relevance - it's only purpose could be either to make fun of an old man or help Obama, not much else.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to emo-rage-quit reading the blog because of this, but I definitely have to take future posts with less trust as before and will have to go elsewhere in addition to here to make sure I'm getting both sides of the story.

And yes, I watch Fox News occasionally (which is biased conservative), but also watch CNN/MSNBC among others that usually lean liberal.  I won't white-wash bias just because I agree with it - I encourage you to do the same.

Though I guess you're main point is right - anti-McCain doesn't necessarily equal pro-Obama.  Maybe the comments to this post are less partisan and more just hateful.  Either way I guess it comes down to internet arguing.  Oh well *shrug*

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I don't know if you realize this or not, but we aren't journalists.  Dennis might have a responsibility to be nonpartisan, but the people in these comments, frankly we can and WILL be as biased as we damn well please.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Uh-huh.  So Obama supporting is "Obama circle-jerking".  And McCain supporting would be... what?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Yes, all candidates should be held to the moral principles of John McCain, who never cheated on his wife and eventually divorced in favor of a millionaire heiress after his first wife gut disfigured in a car accident.

 

Oh wait.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Heh, at least they were forced to issue an apology:

http://ace.new.mu.nu/apology_from_mccains_campaign_blogger

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Heh, stumbled across this and thought it was pretty interesting, a list of all of McCain's flip-flops:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops

I guess the "dirty liberals" aren't the only ones who lie to your face, then deny ever saying any such thing, eh?

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Funny thing is, the DM in the group I used to play D&D with was a Seargent in the British Army, who'd fought in the Falkland Isles, and later in the first Gulf War. I'm sure he'd be pleased to know what old Oven Chips thinks of him.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Quit looking for a goat.

And yes the "geek" if you mean educated intelligent, tech savvy minded folks...went to Dr. Ron Paul.

 I'm not going to loose sleep over who I’m voting for! I'm still writing in Dr Paul.

And PS Bible thumpers...its YOUR HELL...YOU BURN in IT!

 

::Tucking the soap box away::

 

Thank you.

 

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

It's funny - I consider myself an educated, intelligent and tech savvy geek, and I'd never in a million years have voted for Ron Paul (even if I could vote in US elections, which I can't). One suspects that your estimation of what sort of people would vote for Paul might be coloured by your own political preferences.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Hell, I go to an incredibly tech savvy, intelligent school, RPI, and just about 90% of the people there think Ron Paul is batshit insane.  I love how this guy thinks he speaks for a large portion of people.  There's a reason why Paul was last in almost every primary.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Yep welcome to the sixth grade *roll, smirk*

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

 

 

 

McBush is douche a liar, a coward, and who gives a flying rats ass if a charlie drew a cross in the dirt. Good job, wow. Obama is no better.

 

I love the way how fat, sloppy frat boys abuse their daddies connections to try for a seat in the white house. He makes me want to vomit. Every time I see his bloated sagging face I want to punch it in with my steal toed boots I wore in Iraq.

 

And by the way...McCain was NOT tortured. He also made it impossible for Vietnam vets to get their records. He put a gag on all request.Hmmm now why would such an "elevated" war hero want to hide his military records?....

 

a little game show theme music...

 

Because he's hiding something. Like the fact..he WASNT TORTURED or HELD against his will. His senior officers advised him to stay! and not to "negotiate" it would "look bad". His father was a revered admiral in the USN Fleet.

 

Do a little Homework.

 

 

www.RallyForTheRepublic.com

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

 Can you post in our forums and make them not suck?

 

In what way is Obama just as bad as Bush? 

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Agreed on some level, but it's the same in most countries alas, you get to choose your leader, but only from the options you are given. Kinda reminds me of the climax of Babylon 5 for some reason...

Just sometimes wish I could tell them to 'get the hell out of our Galaxy.' ;)

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

I'm wondering... McCain has been accused before of trying to more-or-less surreptitiously connect with the "Rapture Ready" Christian fundamentalist crowd (there was that case a few weeks back with the campaign commercial designed to make Obama look like the Antichrist). Maybe the "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd" is code for "Pro-Obama Satanist crowd"? I assume some people still believe Jack Chick, hard as that may be to swallow.

Oh, and another thing: Whoever called Obama "Barack 'Hussein' Obama": there's no reason for the scare quotes. It's his actual name.

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Kind of ironic after that article about how Tolkein etc were devout Christians ;)

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

Tolkien wasn't, but the others were.

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

"I'm stel not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

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Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

My mistake. Can't seem to edit the post you replied to. I got a bit confused. He tended to throw the Bible in often with his "literary melting-pot" ideas, which is where I got the mistaken impression.

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

"I'm stel not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

Re: McCain Campaign Slams "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd"

No problem :)

Despite their devout faith, people like C.S.Lewis would have had a few poignant words about the current situation, I seem to recall him saying it was better to live under a tyrant who controls for fun than an altruist who controls for 'our own good', because an altruist has neither a guilty conscience nor a reason to stop.

 
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