McCain Campaign Slams “Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons Crowd”

The campaign of Republican presidential contender John McCain has taken an oddly-worded, RPG-themed shot at supporters of Barack Obama who questioned a story the former P.O.W. told during a weekend forum at high-profile pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church.

From the CNN account:

During a presidential forum at Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church on Saturday, McCain told a story of a guard who wordlessly drew a cross in the dirt one Christmas, describing it as a moment that gave him strength.


Critics in the blogosphere said that McCain, who was released in 1973, had not mentioned the incident until shortly before his 2000 presidential bid… They also pointed to similarities between McCain’s account and a similar story in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago, his account of life in the Soviet labor camp system.


McCain aide Michael Goldfarb, in a message posted on the campaign’s Web site Monday [wrote] “It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman’s memory of war from the comfort of mom’s basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others…”

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  1. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Again, please fuck off, JTF. Dungeons & Dragons didn’t cause people to kill themselves; it was when those that played it became social outcasts and felt like they had no way out. That’s when a few (not "all", not "most", not even "some") players took their lives.

    To tell you the truth, I wish I had tried to get in with the D&D crowd when I was younger. That way, I would’ve had more friends on both sides on the popularity spectrum (I always felt I fit in with the "other" guys and girls than the jocks).

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    Anonymous says:

    Hope not. The rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, although I hoped that Li’l Thompson would be a decent enough human being (i.e. a ripe apple) to roll as far away as possible.

  3. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Ohhghh, fuck off, JTF. Since McCain’s campaign guys use associations, maybe I should try that with you. Here goes…

    Thompson is a raving lunatic that should be locked up. You’re a follower of his, so by association, you’re as bad as him, you are a raving lunatic, and you should also be locked up.

    Wow! Was that fun or what?

    Please stay on topic and don’t spout bullcrap like JT. You could at least try and be better than him.

  4. 0
    Father Time says:

    Who cares what their spouses did we’re not electing them.

    Wait after considering how Hillary almost became the democratic nominee I’d like to retract that statement.

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    zevorick says:

    Upon reading my comment, I only have one thing to add.

    I will now refrain from making comments within twenty minutes of waking up. My grammar suffers… painfully so.

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    thefremen says:

     Comment doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that this just helps further establish the pattern that the Republican answer to any criticism is Ad Hominem attacks. "If you don’t agree with us you’re a terrorist. If you want to balance the budget you’re a terrorist. If you support a women’s right to choose you’re pro-babymurder. If you support war for very little or no reason then you are anti-babymurder…."

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    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The only living cancer today is John Bruce Thompson, and in due respect, I don’t believe our fellow Republican or Democratic men and women would not want to put forth such a filthy issue such as John Bruce Thompson.  This sorry excuse of a massacre chaser whom is permanently plagued with narcissitics personality disorder, was responsible for the mass ignorance of innocent young men and women who were taken in by false lies from a John Bruce Thompson whose brain is happily rotting inside his skull for attempting to make such prevarications.

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    Beery says:

    It’s probably an honest mistake.  Memory is weird: it’s common for the mind to sort of ‘misfile’ stuff that a person has read in a book, recalling it as an actual memory of stuff that’s happened to the person.

    Still, McCain is an old geezer whose presidency belongs in the 20th century, not the 21st.

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    You blame Dungeons and Dragons for the suicides of some of the game’s players? You also recognize that these kids were social outcasts who probably got bullied to no end, right? You don’t think that could have been a factor? The main motive? And where the hell in the game (Dungeons and Dragons) does the player kill themself? Where the hell could they have gotten that idea? Hell, I’d blame history books before a board game, what with the depictions of torture scenes from the spanish inquisition and all that. Even that would be rediculous though. Again, just because a person knows how to do something does not mean they will. Martial arts training is a perfect example.


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Dude. SHUT. UP. You’re just getting annoying now, and it’s not becuase of what you’re saying, and never mind that it’s off-topic.

    We know you’re faking. Stop making such a scene.

  11. 0
    Killian Kalthorne says:

    How can a game be responsible for suicides?  Does it pick up the blade?  Does it pull the trigger?  Does it tie the rope into a noose?  Nop.  Its a game.  No more and no less.  In the ethical sense, a game cannot be good or evil.  A game is a work of fiction and as a work of fiction it has no more truth or lies than a novel.  It’s just a game.  How people use that game, interpret the game, and how they determine how much influence that game has on them is the fault of the person playing that game.  Not the game itself nor its creators and/or publishers.  Personal responsibility and accountability, Mr. Thompson.  Human beings are sentient beings and thusly they have a measure of control on what does and does not influence and motivates them.


    Blaming a game for a killing makes as much sense to me as blaming the gun that fired the bullet.  They both require a person to use it.  Lets place the blame there.

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    1: The Al Queda do not produce games. They’re the Al Queda. They produce BOMBS. Also, some people may want their kids to be able to kill the Al Queda should they launch an assault on the US (thought I’d throw that in since you were touching on that).

    2:"Teach your kids to shoot hoops, not people". Sure. Good plan. We should not teach "our" kids to kill people. However, they will learn HOW to kill people no matter what. Hell, they could take their basketball knowledge and replace that ball with a heavy rock, and replace the hoop with a persons head. They could take their historical knowledge (ban history books!) and use it to hurt people. However, a person knowing how to commit acts of violence and comitting acts of violence are two different things. Martial arts training can teach kids HOW to whoop ass, but not TO whoop ass. Knowledge isn’t the problem, it’s the misuse of knowledge. Again, they will learn to kill and hurt people no matter what, so instead of trying to whipe out anything that they could learn it from, try taking away the need to use it.

    3:The "Barrack ‘Hussein’ Obama" remark is just rediculous. His father was a Muslim through most of his life (Obama has always been Christian), and as such gave him a middle name of Muslim descent. That does not make him a member of a terror cell or an ally of the very dead Saddam Hussein. A middle name is not a proper indacator of allegiances.

    4:"Murder simulators", as usual, is a very ill suited nickname. An interactive character is not a full blown simulation. For it to be a simulator, there would need to be weapon heft and over heating, reloading devices, and ellaborate "sensation suit" that would allow the player to register attacks through pain, and also full range of motion controlled through realistic physical motion. Not even the Wii (which you neglect to mention) comes close to this.


    -_^ winky face right back at’cha!


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

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    Jack Thompson Follower says:

    The only living cancer today is video games,And in due respect, i dont believe our fellow republican or democratic men and women would not want to put in a filthy issue such as Dungeons and Dragons, This flithy game was responsible for the mass suicides of innocent young men and women who were taken in by false lies from a now dead creator who is happily rotting in hell for making an evil game.

    *snip removed JT contact info*

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    Killian Kalthorne says:

    If people are accusing of McCain of lying abou this experiences then his people should be targeting those specific people and not plainting such a wide brush.

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    Adam ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Do you know how many soldiers have stories a lot like this one from today’s wars and previous wars. It doesn’t mean he’s lying. He just had a similar expirence. Like I almost died from cancer when I was younger. I have a story to tell now because of it. Does that mean if someone else had the exact same kind of cancer I did when they were younger and almost died from it and has a similar story to tell that means that one of us is lying? Just think about it.

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    Arad says:

    The people he associates with now are the people he’ll take with him to the White House.  A vote for McCain is a vote for the trog that used this stereotype.  I’ve been waiting for a while to decide who to vote for, but this has pretty-much decided who I’m NOT going to vote for.

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    Kris says:

    McCain didn’t make the quote; one of his aides did.  Just remember that.

    Still, it’s an odd comment to make.  It doesn’t really make any sense at all.  They really paint Obama supporters in all kinds of strange colors….

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    Killian Kalthorne says:

    This is just offensive.  Since I was 18 I haven’t lived in my parents home.  I either had my own apartment, my own dorm room when at college, or had a bunk while serving in the US Navy.  I have played Dungeons and Dragons since the days of the red box.  This is just another reason not to vote for McCain.

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    THANK YOU, EZK. Christ, people, how could you guys NOT tell that this guy was just making a bunch of joke posts for the sake of attention? GOD. EZK, just ban this guy, please, he’s doing nothing but being disruptive. Moreso that Jack himself.

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It’s not so much this ad itself, but the fact that after the solidification of the two front-runners, this is literally almost EVERYTHING that McCain is doing in his campaign: insulting Obama. That’s it. He’s NOT focussing on the issues, he’s making false promises, and just plain acting dumb. How can we trust somebody to be our leader when they’re being THIS immature?

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    UberMex says:

    Mccain actually said something similar on NPR last week.


    He said that anyone who can’t see the humor in his paris hilton/obama ad needs to "get off the computer and get some fresh air"


    This is just the latest in a pattern of statements, guys.

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    King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    If its one thing I hate the most its people who make brash generalizations without proof that they are accutally true.

    What the guy said was idiotic, non sensical, and just plain confusing.  It seems like he was just trying to find a scapegoat to cover up the controversy with and whats better of scape goat than games? 

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    Michael Brooks ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    By that logic, black people would be "retarded" if they changed their vote because the McCain camp said something offensive about the group.

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    thefremen says:

     Because previously he had said the only decent sonofabitch at the camp was this guy that let him lay down instead of forcing him to constantly stand. It’s like if I said that the only time I ever ate cheetos was while playing D&D in 1989, then I later told a touching story of how I got really high in 1987 and had the most delcious cheetos ever.

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    Dark Sovereign says:

    This is what is going to change your preferences? Seriously?! It’s not the issues, it’s not their connections, it’s that one candidate said something mean about D&D players. That’s absolutely retarded.

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    sortableturnip says:

    Don’t forget the Wii, Jack Thompson Follower…and the PC….and the Xbox…and the PS2…and the Sega Dreamcast…and the PS1….and the Sega Genesis….and the SNES…and the NES….and the SMS…and the Atari 2600…and Pong, don’t forget pong…

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    Vake ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

     Because Obama’s not much less crazy, crotchity, cantankerous. The old geezer (whose last game was "PONG") isn’t much better.

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    Vake ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

     Agreed. It may not be McCain that said it. It may not be McCain who is against video games. It’s the people he associates with. We elect McCain, we give these people power as well (like Joe Lieberman). A good point to consider now that we’re getting down to the VP campaigns. If McCain chooses Mitt Rommey, you can forget it, Jack.

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    Mike ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The basement thing again? My mom lives with ME, I’ll have you know!

    Of course, what do you expect from a man who claims to understand technology, but has his wife do all that fancy stuff on the Internets and Carly Fiorina, the HP killer, as his "tech expert". For all we know, he believes the "blogosphere" is an actual atmospheric layer.

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    sheppy says:

    That’s why my house rules are all rule disputes will be handled at the END of the gaming night and appropriate changes made afterwards.  Most of the time, rule lawyers are petty and just want that extra couple points of damage, as long as they win in the end and you powder them with flavor text, most of the complaints go away.

    "Well alright, just to let you know that if you got those two extra points, the goblin would have been bloodied early and had a much higher chance of escape.  On top of that, his dodge stats would be increased and that glorious decapitation you love might have missed.  Do you really want to undo that battle?"

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    Anonymous says:

    This seems a bit over the top, like someone who’s trying just a bit hard to flame some people.  Then again, all of Thompson’s remarks fit that description, but damn….Al Queda is behind or somehow tied to the whole violent video game conspiracy?  It would really take a special kind of ass hole to honestly believe that.  Then again….that would fit Thompson to the T…

    The smiley at the end makes me think that it’s not JT, but really he’s so out there that I can’t tell the difference between him and some flame bait.

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    Jack Thompson Follower says:

    McCain is just as pathetic as barack "hussien" obama, We need this war to stop and keep al queda scum from creating violent killing machines that would posion the mind of our youths, Beside’s america has already had enough of "murder stimulators" called the Xbox360 and the PS3….Why could they attack those.

     Teach your kids to shoot hoops, not people

    EZK: Removed the JT sig. This is not really him.


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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    In the words of Alpha 5: "Ai yai yai yai yai…"

    Could McCain possibly… i dunno…. stick to the ISSUES instead of just trying to insult Obama’s intelligence? He already bit the hand that fed him (insulting Paris Hilton after accepting money from her family. Not that i care about HER, but it’s the principle of the thing.) does he have to sound like some elementary-school bully?

    This is just plain getting pathetic…

  34. 0
    Zevorick says:

    Sorry, but I my sense motive 20 beat your bluff check 1.

    There are more reasons to hate both candidates true. This comment just makes my current distaste with McCain a little bit higher.

    Remember, as a politician you are responsible for ANYTHING that is said within your camp, especially on your website. Leaving a comment untouched means, more or less, that it is "approved", and this ridiculous mockery of people is not something I want to see in our next president.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    GP, excellent work brining in the  Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn connection, it has to be said, Mccain is running a cut and paste campaign of winning is everything, at least Obama seems “human” still on the fence leaning to Obama BUT it wont take me much to go loltarian and just boycott the 2 party system completely…

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

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    black manta says:

    Granted, this remark was attributed to one of McCain’s staffers, but it’s still going to hurt him and lose any chances of getting the "Geek Vote" (however significant or insignificant that may be).  It’s at least going to turn away otherwise more open-minded people who, let’s face it, do count D&D players and gamers among their ranks.

    As for me personally, ok, Obama admitted the last video game he played was Pong.  So he’s not that much in touch with the current state of gaming today.  But with this latest remark, it shows that Obama is slightly more in touch than McCain, whose people seem to have a bias if not an out-and-out prejudice against that type of thing.  That said, I still like and would vote for Obama.  McCain has expressed his stances on a lot of things that I disagree with, but this pretty much is the little butterfly that settles on top of all the heavy junk that’s already piled-up that causes it to all come crashing down.

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    Matt Silb says:

    The point is not the D&D, the point is to accuse Obama’s followers of the sins of McCain’s followers. This is a Rove tactic from way back, accuse your opponent of what you have done. Then, when your opponent says the truth about you (in this case, that so many of McCain vocal supporters are Chicken Hawks) the press covers both stories equally.



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    Zevorick says:

    I know I’ll be wearing my favorite D&D shirt when i’m voting for Obama now out of spite.

    Besides, basement dwelling nerds don’t argue over politics. We argue over the third issue of the wonder woman reboot!

    Honestly, I don’t know what to think about this comment other than "… kay"

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    Reg DeCurry says:

    They also pointed to similarities between McCain’s account and a similar story in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago, his account of life in the Soviet labor camp system.

    Hmm…so McCain may have ripped off someone else’s war story, got caught, and is throwing a fit about getting caught.  Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

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    OmegaWarrior ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    How the hell is this crazy, crotchity, cantankerous old man only 3 point’s behind?  "Pro-Obama D&D crowd?"  It’s like they’re making fun of themselves.

  41. 0
    Anonymous says:

    This is the comment that makes you not vote for McCain? When McCain didn’t even say it?

    Hating on DnD players is worse in some folks eyes than your spouse not respecting your country… until your husband runs for President that is. Check.

    Jeez, there are more pronounced flaws on both sides than an aide writing a comment like this on his website. Don’t let this comment be the nail, because when it comes down to it, this is not even a blip on the radar.

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    oto kirlama says:

    Gallagher can araç kiralama say all he wants, but I strongly rent a car believe it’s due to his crappy leadership and E3 being a joke. ESA’s Board of Directors need to find a way to get out rent a car of this horrid contract with this Bush cronie before there’s no one left on the Board.

    Btw, I think Atari and Midway will drop out too, but mostly travesti because  these guys have done nothing ttnet vitamin or little and need to start saving costs.


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    joeAnne says:

    I’m also with Obama. Whatever newspapers, TVs or radios will say I’ll go with him all the way. I really appreciate what he has done and I’m sure that he will also do what he has promised us lately.

    ps: when working with my maytag parts I have the same discussion every day. People trying to convince me that he’s not the one, but they don’t the chance with me.

  44. 0
    Anonymous says:

    "the underlying themes are solidly based in Christian belief."

    You kidding?

    The "one god" idea was not christian. Not even jew. As for christianity, it would be original if most its themes were not already used by religions thousand years older (born from a god and a virgin mother… Ah ah…).

    Sorry to have to make you remember that fact, but religion has more rip-off and piracy and music and movie industries put together.

    As for "underlying themes", they are universal in nature. Not christians.

  45. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Original D+D was not based on Tolkien; Gary Gygax didn’t care for Lord of the Rings much, and wrote essays pointing out how wrong that claim was. He preferred good fantasy, swords & sorcery and sword & planet stories from Michael Moorcock, E.R. Burroughs, and Robert E. Howard. Dave Arneson left a few traces of Tolkien on D+D, like Elves and Rangers, but mostly, it’s supposed to be about barbarians and thieves robbing ancient temples and killing giant snakes, serpent-men, and high priests.

    Personally, I think McCain looks suspiciously like a serpent-man high priest.



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    Anonymous says:

    Agreed. The Silmarillion bears some startling resemblences to the Bible in some places, a single Creator and his host of ‘helpers’, one of which is corrupted by power, falls to darkness and is eventually cast out, leaving only his servant, Sauron to carry on his work. Whilst the story itself is quite different, the underlying themes are solidly based in Christian belief.

  47. 0
    Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yep.  Tolkien based his work off of Germanic-Norse mythology with some Christian elements (Gandalf and all the other wizards are somewhat based on angels) and Lewis, well, he created the Jesus-Lion. :)

    Of course that doesn’t matter to the real hardcore Christian fundies, as they weren’t part of the "correct" flavor of Christianity and they wrote about magic in a positive light, which is a big no-no.

  48. 0
    sheppy says:

    Considering the upside down pentagram, a symbol marked with recent demonic symbology, has it’s basis in white magic to ward OFF evil, is that so drastic a change?

    Also, incidently… DnD has more in relation to Norse/Pagan mythology than LOTR, since that’s what inspired LOTR…

  49. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Well, Bush read the report saying that the Yellowcake was a lie, but decided to report that Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire significant quantities of Uranium from Africa anyway.


    So if you lie, knowing it’s a lie, I think it’s a lie.


    I know you left-wing whackjobs will want to redefine ‘lie’ so you can use some politically correct term like "truthfully deficient", but you know what? I’m sick of you whackjobs going out there and redefining words. Just because you call a spade a pokey shovel doesn’t change the fact that it’s a spade.

  50. 0
    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Trying to force a democratic government in a region of the world that already accuses us, false or no, as trying to poison thier culture with our own is at best a foolish thing to do.  Beyond that democracy is a difficult process in the US with the Democrats and Republicans.  Now how much harder would that process be with the Shites and Sunnis whose secondary wish for death after Americans is each other? 

    I’m just baffled why we have it in our heads why democarcy is the only viable type of government.  What we really need to do is try and really put an honest effort into alternative fuel sources as well as trying to, without too much damage to our ecology, drill in our own country more so we can cut off all relations with the middle east and give them what they think they want, for us to leave them alone.  Then let them wither and die as we cut off thier only source of money, oil.

  51. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Funny thing is: I’m American Militaray. Navy, even, same Branch as Senator McCain.
    I play D&D.
    I find the random insertion of D&D in there hilarious.
    Bad, bad advert.
    Also – Bad Campaign manager. No Starbucks.

  52. 0
    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Okay then how do you quantify success then?  I surmise some kind of Iraqi body count or something?  The purpose of the war was to remove the threat that Saddam supposedly held due to WMD.  But as they, as anyone with half a brain knew before the invasion started, didn’t have any weapons the goal cannot be reached.  When you don’t reach a goal, you fail.


    But if you want to quantify success on US shotting THEM.  Yeah, we are doing a stellar job.


    At this point it doesn’t matter if Bush lied or if he is just a moron.  The failure is the same.

  53. 0
    the1jeffy says:

    Your accusation of "purposeful misleading," is pretty bold.  Yes, some of the ‘evidence’ was shown to be hear-say (but what evidence isn’t), and the UN weapons inspectors where somewhat perplexed by the presented evidence (but the UN has been fairly ineffectual in curtailing Saddam’s excesses).  But people’s focus on WMD’s simply ignores the other body of evidence against Saddam’s regime (genocide, repression of religious and other freedoms).  And you simply can’t brush the fact that the flag-waving public and Congress almost unanimously voted for the war. 

    "We Were Lied To," is a simpleton’s excuse.  It ingores the fact that Americans, including Congress and the President, had no clue that sectarian violence would be more devastating than the actual invasion of Iraq. Ignorance doesn’t equal falsehood.  You can argue the reason(s) for going to war all day, and at the end of the day, it’s meaningless (or rather one for the historians).  Calling the Iraq War a "failure" is, at best, laboring under the false, foregone conclusion that no war is justifiable, and at worst, sheer ignorant parroting of the MSM’s cant on issues.

    The ignorance of American politicans is the problem, not party affiliation.  The ’04 and ’06 elections have taught me one thing:  The solutions to real issues do not lay with either main politcal party.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

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    the1jeffy says:

    Yeah, it’s one of the Republican party’s failings.  They just keep alienating younger conservative leaning folks with stuff like this.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

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    the1jeffy says:

    How coy.  You are confusing failure, with mistake.  And the argument for "Bush Lied," is moot, as both Congress and the American public supported the war at the onset.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

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    Kimball Kinnison says:

    Wow, and I was a McCain supporter and played dungeons and dragons.  So that means now I am automatically Pro-obama and live in a basement? Just for playing a silly game?

    Nice critical fail.

  57. 0
    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I don’t know if you realize this or not, but we aren’t journalists.  Dennis might have a responsibility to be nonpartisan, but the people in these comments, frankly we can and WILL be as biased as we damn well please.

  58. 0
    SeiginoRaikou says:

    Just because it’s only one post doesn’t make it right – I don’t like partisan posts in my supposedly non-partisan video game politics blog.  If this site wants to have any sort of claim to journalism then I think it has to hold itself to the non-partisan standard.  And in the past it has been – being critical of both parties, but only brining them up when there was actually video game news related to the story.  This story has neither objectivity nor relevance – it’s only purpose could be either to make fun of an old man or help Obama, not much else.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to emo-rage-quit reading the blog because of this, but I definitely have to take future posts with less trust as before and will have to go elsewhere in addition to here to make sure I’m getting both sides of the story.

    And yes, I watch Fox News occasionally (which is biased conservative), but also watch CNN/MSNBC among others that usually lean liberal.  I won’t white-wash bias just because I agree with it – I encourage you to do the same.

    Though I guess you’re main point is right – anti-McCain doesn’t necessarily equal pro-Obama.  Maybe the comments to this post are less partisan and more just hateful.  Either way I guess it comes down to internet arguing.  Oh well *shrug*

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    the1jeffy says:

    LOL, I love the mom’s basement joke. And I hate the assertion that all internet-savvy people are Obama-phytes. 

    Please, people.  Look at the two candidates’ voting records at  Make yor decision on THAT, and not what some asshat on  their campaign staffs says.  Or what the newsmedia makes you believe.

    Here are some interesting facts for you: Obama is not a terrorist.  McCain is a war-hero.  Obama’s voting record is straight "D."  McCain’s shows him to be less "R" than fringe-wingers would like.  The Iraq War was supported by the American public, and Congress, with a record high approval rating.  The Iraq War isn’t a failure.  Gas prices and dependance on oil isn’t the fault of Oil Companies or the US Government.  I know, the TeeVee or the InterWebs says I’m lying.  Do some research – find the truth for ourself.

    The American Public has purchased gas-guzzling muscle cars for decades.  We supported the War and then cried when it didn’t end in a month.  We want cheap disposable consumer goods at one-stop-shop, cut-rate prices, and them complain when China gets our manufacturing jobs and Wal-Mart takes out mom-and-pops.  We want cheap houses and we buy them without research and then cry when our A.R.M. or balloon payment forcloses our houses.    We voted G.W. Bush into office twice.  We voted for change in the ’06 Congressional Election and look what we got – more of the same.  You want change? DO NOT VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN.

    We have the power to fix most of the hot-button media honking issues ourselves, but we’re stupid or lazy to do it.

    We have the government we deserve.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

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    Itsnotmyfault says:

    Hell, I go to an incredibly tech savvy, intelligent school, RPI, and just about 90% of the people there think Ron Paul is batshit insane.  I love how this guy thinks he speaks for a large portion of people.  There’s a reason why Paul was last in almost every primary.

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    Anonymous says:

    There are libertarian gamers who admit their political affiliation?  I figured you nuts kept a low profile.  Tell me, if you nut-jobs get into power, which will be the first to lose public funds – police, fire departments, public libraries or the post office?  Or will you just cut funding to all of them at the same time?

    Libertarianism is frigging stupid.  Choose a real political philosophy for goodness sake.

  62. 0
    konrad_arflane says:

    It’s funny – I consider myself an educated, intelligent and tech savvy geek, and I’d never in a million years have voted for Ron Paul (even if I could vote in US elections, which I can’t). One suspects that your estimation of what sort of people would vote for Paul might be coloured by your own political preferences.

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    thefremen says:

     HAS Everyone Lost Sight of the Fact that his FORMER PASTOR made this Comment and Not Obama Himself. I LOVE THE INTERNET.. Lets loose the Facts and BLOW Things out of Proportion.


    Are you a bot or do you just not know how to properly use "shift"?

  64. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Possibly because a representative of his did?

    That either means it’s endorsed by him, or that he can’t keep his own house in line. If that’s the case before the election even takes place, what’s going to happen if he gets in and the pressure is off?

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    Killian Kalthorne says:

    As I said above, this is a reflection of the people he surrounds himself with.  These are the type of people who will advise him on matters.  If I have an issue with his aides then I will have an issue with him.

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    Andrew says:

    HAS Everyone Lost Sight of the Fact that his AID made this Comment and Not McCain Himself.   I LOVE THE INTERNET.. Lets loose the Facts and BLOW Things out of Proportion.

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    ParanoidIndividual ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I really don’t like how the whole ‘I was a prisoner of war’ thing is used as a license to say whatever you like and some sort of holy shield of protection against criticism.  McCain quite possibly is telling the truth, but the fact that this cross story only turned up now instead of during all those years between then and now would make anybody with a little bit of cynicism suspicious.  Just because the Dungeons and Dragons crowd happens to be more analytical than religious sycophants is no reason for his aide to lash out at them in what looked like a very random attack.  It’s evidence of a dangerous prejudice.

    People doubting the PR they are fed is what keeps politicians and media accountable.  It’s not just some personality quirk of geeks in a basement.

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    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    1. Why do you care so much? It’s just one news blog out of millions, for chrissakes.

    2. Wow, one Pro-Obama comment is a ‘circle-jerk’? I bet you only watch Fox News. Oh, sorry, i spelt that wrong: "Faux Noise."
    3. We know that neither of them probably read this blog. We’re not trying to spam his e-mail address, for crying out loud. I mean, geez, read the comments already.

    Please, act like you’re at least old enough to vote before you start putting words in our mouth.

  69. 0
    Sai says:

    I can only assume guys this old equate dungeons and dragons with devil worship, and they must be Satanists because why wouldn’t they be impressed with some bullshit inspirational story about a guy drawing religious symbols in the dirt!?

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes, all candidates should be held to the moral principles of John McCain, who never cheated on his wife and eventually divorced in favor of a millionaire heiress after his first wife gut disfigured in a car accident.


    Oh wait.

  71. 0
    Anonymous says:

    I’m in total agreement.  Every self-respecting republican should write-in Ron Paul this year.  Maybe he won’t win, but it will be enough of a sign that we’re sick and tired of having our party burglarized by greedy autocrats.

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    SeiginoRaikou says:

    um….remind me how this relates to video games?  This article being on this site is really a stretch – I can see how you can make the logical leap but it’s a wide leap none the less.  McCain attacks geeks (not even so much as mentioning video games), so we have to get revenge by posting nasty things about him on our blog!  That will show him! Way to go "news" blog!

    *sigh* It’s going to be a long election cycle if the Obama-circle-jerking in the comments is any indication.

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    Anonymous says:

    Funny thing is, the DM in the group I used to play D&D with was a Seargent in the British Army, who’d fought in the Falkland Isles, and later in the first Gulf War. I’m sure he’d be pleased to know what old Oven Chips thinks of him.

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    that Girl again says:

    Quit looking for a goat.

    And yes the "geek" if you mean educated intelligent, tech savvy minded folks…went to Dr. Ron Paul.

     I’m not going to loose sleep over who I’m voting for! I’m still writing in Dr Paul.

    And PS Bible thumpers…its YOUR HELL…YOU BURN in IT!


    ::Tucking the soap box away::


    Thank you.


  75. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Agreed on some level, but it’s the same in most countries alas, you get to choose your leader, but only from the options you are given. Kinda reminds me of the climax of Babylon 5 for some reason…

    Just sometimes wish I could tell them to ‘get the hell out of our Galaxy.’ 😉

  76. 0
    Anonymous says:

    No problem :)

    Despite their devout faith, people like C.S.Lewis would have had a few poignant words about the current situation, I seem to recall him saying it was better to live under a tyrant who controls for fun than an altruist who controls for ‘our own good’, because an altruist has neither a guilty conscience nor a reason to stop.

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    The Girl next door who plays X-Box360 says:




    McBush is douche a liar, a coward, and who gives a flying rats ass if a charlie drew a cross in the dirt. Good job, wow. Obama is no better.


    I love the way how fat, sloppy frat boys abuse their daddies connections to try for a seat in the white house. He makes me want to vomit. Every time I see his bloated sagging face I want to punch it in with my steal toed boots I wore in Iraq.


    And by the way…McCain was NOT tortured. He also made it impossible for Vietnam vets to get their records. He put a gag on all request.Hmmm now why would such an "elevated" war hero want to hide his military records?….


    a little game show theme music…


    Because he’s hiding something. Like the fact..he WASNT TORTURED or HELD against his will. His senior officers advised him to stay! and not to "negotiate" it would "look bad". His father was a revered admiral in the USN Fleet.


    Do a little Homework.



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    Xlorep DarkHelm says:

    My mistake. Can’t seem to edit the post you replied to. I got a bit confused. He tended to throw the Bible in often with his "literary melting-pot" ideas, which is where I got the mistaken impression.

    "I’m not responcabel fer my comuter’s spleling errnors." — Xlorep DarkHelm

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    konrad_arflane says:

    I’m wondering… McCain has been accused before of trying to more-or-less surreptitiously connect with the "Rapture Ready" Christian fundamentalist crowd (there was that case a few weeks back with the campaign commercial designed to make Obama look like the Antichrist). Maybe the "Pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd" is code for "Pro-Obama Satanist crowd"? I assume some people still believe Jack Chick, hard as that may be to swallow.

    Oh, and another thing: Whoever called Obama "Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama": there’s no reason for the scare quotes. It’s his actual name.

  80. 0
    Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I am livid right now.  How DARE you McCain.  Right now as we speak those who are both soldiers and gamers are dying in a utterly senseless and pointless war because they are bound by duty to do so.


    He likely isn’t even aware.  But McCain has utterly insulted thousands of soldiers both living and dead.  I feel the need to write his campaign now.

  81. 0
    BANE XXIII ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Being a Libertairian Republican, I won’t Vote for Mcain out of Principle. I think that the Term "you are who you assoicate with" best decribes Mcain. I Believe in Free enterprise and Capitalism, not the stupidity that this man represents.

    RP for Prez.


    Minneapolis, Mn

  82. 0
    wiregr says:

    Personally, I think it’d be irresponsible (at least, for myself) to vote for someone as technologically ignorant as McCain is.  Like it or not, technology is a major part of everyday life, and we are at a point in time during which a lot of important legislation is going to be brought up regarding topics such as net neutrality, and having someone as out of date and out of touch as John McCain at the helm certainly isn’t going to help matters.  He’s ignorant of the issues, and stubborn enough to continue to try to apply his out-dated ideology to current events. 

  83. 0
    Vinzent ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Suffering the rigors of war does not give a person the license to lie to an entire country in order to seize power. If John McCain wants my pity, he’s earned it. But I don’t want a president who got elected through pity.

  84. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Because drawing images in the Dirt is a good qualification for being President?

    McCain is a brave man, who was willing to sacrifice for his country, but that doesn’t qualify him to lead it. Indeed, I’d rather see a peacemaker than a warmaker in the Whitehouse at the moment, for the sake of the US and the rest of the world, we don’t need more death, there are already too many other countries starting to take advantage of the fact the US has over-extended itself, and that needs to be stopped. It’s not going to be done with bombs and bullets, it’s going to be done with words.

    That may not appeal to some people, some people like the world to be ‘good guys’, ‘bad guys’ and ‘explosions’, once upon a time we could afford to think like that, but now we have weapons that can depopulate an entire country, we cannot afford to think in those terms any more, it’s just too dangerous to think that way.

    That’s my take on things, anyway.

  85. 0
    the1jeffy says:

    I quantify an eventual success as helping to create a stable democratic government, and doing so without the need for permanent occupation. 

    WMD’s weren’t the only threat that Saddam’s regime had to the region.  I know the idea of something being neither a failure or complete success is difficult to grasp, especially on the Red Vs Blue internet.  Don’t hurt yourself trying to think about it too hard.

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  86. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Yes, but I don’t see it as moot, as the original intention, or so told, was that Iraq had WMDs. Now I’m not saying there are not other reasons, but that was a big one, and I doubt without that, that the public or Congress would have gone along with it. Then it turns out there were none. And now, speculation (see: Ron Suskind, "The Way of the World") that it wasn’t simply lying, but forging false evidence.

    While the argument won’t help fix anything, true, it still is valid as an argument, in my opinion, as one of the central ideas of going to war in the first place turned out to be false. I don’t see it as a "mistake." I see it as a purposeful misleading by an incompetent and unreasonable administration. And quite frankly, I piss on the masses for voting for him in the first place (I didn’t, I wasn’t old enough, though I knew I didn’t want Bush).

  87. 0
    Anonymous says:

    As long as we’re doing research and finding the truth for ourselves should we look up the definiton of "fact" so we don’t make debatable opionon statments, call them facts and look like idiots?

  88. 0
    SJ Zero says:

    Great to see McCain fully countering that image he alleges Obama of creating out of thin air of him being an out of touch doddering senile old man.


    "Dungeons and Dragons are the devil! Who stole my shirt? I remember when a bag of chips cost a dime! Let me tell you stories about the war!"


    Thanks for that stirring rebuttal, Senator McCain. Truly, you have your finger on the pulse of our nation’s youth.

  89. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Apparently they didn’t get the memo that DnD was based off of novels and stories written by devout Christians.  I guess Tolkien and Lewis were simply just heathens who believed in magics.

  90. 0
    Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    …So the bullies from high school end up becoming Republican presidental candidate aides?  Go figure.

    It’s just such a strange comment.  I don’t really understand it.  Only liberals play DnD? 

    Doesn’t matter, McCain lost any chance of getting my vote the moment he got cozy to the religious right.

  91. 0
    Father Time says:

    Err D&D didn’t exist when John Mccain was in high school. In fact it didn’t exist until 23 years (give or take a few months) after he graduated high school.

  92. 0
    Anonymous says:

    I have to imagine in the whole wide world of D&D that there’s got to be SOME Race/Call/Alignment combo whereupon meeting a Dracolich their reaction would be "’Sup holmes?" 😉

  93. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Once you do research on the Federal Reserve System you learn that it doesn’t matter, because as long as the FRS exists, they are who control everything America does, especially it going to war. (No link between Osama and Saddam, and the war is a sham.  There are actually more links between the Bin Laden family and the Bush family than Saddam and Osama.)

    Research It!

  94. 0
    Generic Enemy Number 12 says:

    At the beginning of the video McCain is talking about some random Jesus story and then the crowd smiles and loudly applauds.  WTF?  How will this stupid story help him become a president?

  95. 0
    Shoehorn O'Plenty ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Damn right, these Dungeons and Dragons crowd are the same kind of people who listen to this new "rock & roll" music on their tape players!

    Out of touch at all? Just a little maybe.

  96. 0
    Arad says:

    He wanted to come up with an easily defined stereotype for everyone who called him out on his idea-theft.  I suppose his line of thinking was, "People who disagree with me are using the interwebs.  People who use the interwebs are geeks.  Geeks are into Dungeons and Dragons.  Everyone who plays Dungeons and Dragons lives in their mom’s basement.  Therefor, people who disagree with McCain are D&D freaks who life in their mom’s basement."

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    Belgarion89 says:

    Maybe his son or nephew or something plays way too much D&D and is voting Obama.  Or maybe in high school all the D&D playing kids thought even he was too lame to play with.  Maybe it was a bad encounter with a Dracolich…

  98. 0
    Anonymous says:

    I feel somehow trapped between two evils.

    McCain is definitely the lesser one though.  He just makes stupid comments and doesn’t threaten to actually do stupid things.

  99. 0
    Itsnotmyfault says:

    It sounds like something that one of those asshole kids in middle school might say.  So yeah, I suppose it’s a little difficult to be insulted

  100. 0
    SimonBob says:

    Phew, I finally know where one of the candidates stands on D&D.  Now if only they’d divulge their positions on Palladium, D20, and the guys who made Paranoia.  (Do they trust The Computer?  Is The Computer their friend?  Inquiring minds want to know.)

    The Mammon Industry

  101. 0
    Arashi says:


    Guess me and my Lv 14 Paladin will go vote for someone else.  Also, the apology?  Wow.  Just… …my mind boggles at the stupidity of it.

    (make joke about newest D&D edition here)

  102. 0
    thefremen says:

     I don’t think the problem is so much that it’s a slight against D&D players, it’s that the answer to a concern about honesty and facts is answered with an Ad Hominem attack. Answer your critics with facts, not personal attacks.

  103. 0
    Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Honestly, this guy either needs his head examined, or to find something better to do than troll gamepolitics with incoherant babble. I’d say both would be best in this case.

  104. 0
    Killian Kalthorne says:

    Wow, your maturity is downright breath taking.  Your mother and father must be real proud of you.  Oh well, what can you expect from the anonymity of the Internet? 

  105. 0

    Oh, and to the JT wanna be, if a person is turned into whatever they are exposed to, we need to start imprisoning victims of violent crime and police officers.


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  106. 0
    Xian says:

    I know it’s supposed to be an insult, but I’m not sure if I’m really insulted.  It’s just such an off-the-wall remark that the only response I can muster is, "Uh…..zuh?"

  107. 0
    gs2005 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m still not voting for McCain, even though I did play D&D in high school many moons ago, and still respect the concept…doesn’t mean I am voting for Obama, though, since BOTH McCain and Obama support their corporate masters (like the MPAA/RIAA) and NOT the needs of general US Citizens first.

  108. 0
    ahayford ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This comment doesn’t even make sense…Unless there are some details about who was making the comments that are not included in this article…


    To be frank, all it really does is make their campaign look completely clueless about modern technology and those dang internets.

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