Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator Blames Media Reports

August 25, 2008 -

As GamePolitics reported last week, an artist's Leipzig Game Conference exhibit which blended the arcade classic Space Invaders with images of the Twin Towers caused no small amout of controversy.

According to Edge Online artist Douglas Edric Stanley has pulled the exhibit, citing the uproar. In his blog, Stanley blames much of the public reaction to what he views as an ill-informed initial report by Kotaku:

I believe that I have at least some responsibility in taking seriously the many comments, especially from those within the gaming community, and obviously over at Kotaku where the response was the most varied and interesting...

 

Sadly, the work has been discussed, largely... based on this early report in which the journalist did not even play the game. For me at least, a video game is at some point always going to be about its gameplay. Ironically, the same journalist finally did play the game, and found some merit in it. But by then, the cat was out of the bag, and we had a media circus on our hands...
 

Stanley adds:

While I take full responsibility for the uncomfortable ambiguity of certain aspects of this work, it was never created to merely provoke controversy for controversy’s sake, and unfortunately, this is what the piece has now become... The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work...

 

Contrary to previous reports, I am an American, and it saddens me that we as a people remain so profoundly unable to process this event outside of some obscure, but tacitly understood, criteria of purely anesthetized artistic representation.

In related news, Space Invaders creator TAITO has indicated that it may sue Stanley and the Leipzig show for using the game without authorization.


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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I'll be honest, I started to read the comments, but I stopped a ways through. Instead, I'll just say what I have to say.

Reading what the guy said, well...I wasn't really offended by his thing, to be honest, I simply didn't really care. Now, I just read the article that GP linked to at Kotaku, so, is that the original article then? Cause, quite frankly, I don't see this, well...hm. *is thinking of what to say*

Well, personally, he should have known that this was the kind of response he would get, regardless of media. Just be thankful that, as far as I know, mainstream media hasn't done anything with it yet. If he honestly expected to go without the harsh criticism, then, well, that's just stupid to expect.

Honestly? To me, it sounds more like just slapping some things together (Space Invaders and 9/11), adding something unique (physical movement responses), then putting it out calling it art and saying it has some kind of message. To me, the whole thing does not sound well thought-out. To me, it's like, "Well what did you expect?" He should have known he would recieve this kind of criticism. And when he did, I find he came off a bit pissy and a little arrogant.

One part though, I'd like to comment on: "and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work..." Well, it didn't happen to them, it happened to us. The attack wasn't on Germany, or France, or whoever, it was on America. Of course other countries would have a different reception, because they were not the ones attacked on 9/11. But we were. So naturally, we in the US would be more sensitive to it because we have a stronger emotional connection to it. And it feels like, to me, he looks at us, points to these other nationalities and says to us "Well THEY'RE not bitching about it!" when, and again, the terrorist attack on 9/11 wasn't on these other nationalities.

One last thing; to be quite honest, I find "art" a rather terrible choice, especially in modern times, for some kind of protest message. And what he did was no exception. They're just not that strong for the kind of emotional response you want. It's not like a powerful speech, or a revolutionary gathering, or something really profound. It's like, I can do whatever no matter how controversial or stupid, call it art, and say it has some kind of intellectual message. But, controversy (or rather a kind of controversy that has been going on recently), I think, does NOT get the message across; it upsets people, it gets them angry, or hurt, or both, and it just that much harder for them to understand the context of what you are trying to say.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

If Jacky boy was being shot at he would sue too.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I bet if the aliens were shooting members of Al-Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden it would have been ok....or Jack Thompson...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I don't know if anyone else pointed this out (I didn't read all the comments) but there is a similarity that kinda makes me chuckle...

 

Game company makes game.  Media (some, not all) reacts harshly to the game.  Game company claims it as a form of art.

 

"Artist" makes game.  Gamers (some, not all) react harshly to the game.   "Artist" claims it as a form of art.

 

For everyone that is thinking "Game companies never claimed their work as art", this has been their first line of defense for every state law to control distribution of games (art is protected under the US first amendment.)

 

I don't mean to come off as sounding like a troll.  I assure you, I'm not and I apologize if I do.  My wife and I are both gamers.  Personally, while the technology behind the exibit is interesting, the style could have been more tactful.  I just wanted to point out this similarity and thought it funny that some of us have turned into the very thing we hate...censors.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

There's a vast difference between a censor demanding the art be pulled, and an active group of individuals discussing their differing oppinions on how they think the art is tasteless. I haven't read an intelligent statement or discussion made where the art should have been pulled down, but I have read plenty of statements (in the same line as your own) leading on to a larger belief that his art was somehow censored by the public. It was not. He pulled it on his own, with no prodding but some random people on the internet discussing how they didn't like his "art".

He pulled his display down with the sole reason to get more attention to his work than he had already recieved. Not because some people on the internet made a whiny noise. Had he brushed off the complaints and whinging, he would have only gotten a few minutes of attention from the press and public. Now, because he knew exactly what he was doing, the internet is abuzz with this guy's name and work. This has all been a PR stunt on his part, carefully planned, and carefully executed.

 

 

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Question to everyone who's doing their best to insult this guy as much or more than Jack would insult them:

Did you play the game?

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that if you didn't, you prolly should PLAY, not watch a single movie, but play the game for a few levels, THEN decide to call him a troll, or a hack, or a thief, or whatever. Seriously, what's wrong with you people? I've seen more tolerance coming from Jack Thompson!

To those who did play it before expressing a ruthless opinion, go ahead, it's your right, first amendment and everything. =) (At least I think it's the first amendment thingy but I'm a layman as far as USA law is concerned.)

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Actually, there's a comparison between this is the Moira Hindley image that was made out of childrens hand-prints and displayed at the Olympics in Beijing, which was taken down once it was discovered (though not banned in the UK, the government were, I think pretty rightly, worried about it giving the wrong image, however, enraged people have vandalised it before whilst on display).

I can feel for both sides of the argument, but I suppose the image from the display I got was that the more 'Invaders' you shot, the more it created, which is a pretty accurate statement on the situation in many of these countries, and when you think of Terrorism, the image that has been pushed into our minds time and again is the Twin Towers.

I think the artist should have ridden the storm, and not withdrawn it in protest, his first policy should be getting his art and thought seen, not backing down to criticism.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

It wasn't exactly displayed at the Olympics so much as on a reel about England and its art.  The reel itself has been used many times and this is the first time it has had enough exposure for someone to latch onto it to make a headline.  In this case though I guess they are probably right; it isn't really the best image to be used in the context of the Olympics.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Where is it reported that Stanley used the original Space Invaders code? A link would be much appreciated.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I have yet to see anything that shows this entire event is not a coldly calculated pre-planned affair designed by D. Stanley.

The original display, massive in size, nobody would miss it. Or the "game's" controversial content, bound to draw negative attention. The game itself being designed from the ground up to be nothing but attention-grabbing and controversial. Doing so at one of the world's largest games conventions, where he knew there would be large press coverage instead of in an art gallery, where he would have gotten little to no press. Then, with no pressure other than a (clearly expected) vocal minority of internet strangers, he pulls his piece down, voluntarily. Makes an insulting passive-agressive statement about gamers/americans/and the internet in general and how he is the victim in all of this. And now he is getting more media attention than most people could possibly dream of.

Tell me how this isn't planned.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Agreed kind sire. And he calls himself an American. Filthy pig...

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Yes, I think you're right to say it was planned.

It's highly unlikely that he tripped up and made this by accident.

 

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I think the whole thing of using the twin towers to show that "no matter what you can't win" is a rather tacktless and stupid thing to do, and he'd be very stupid not to expect at least a fair amount of controversy. There are many other ways he could've shown the "no matter what you can't win" thing without using sensitive and completely off-topic buildings.

Seriously, some terrorists attacked us, so we went to Afghanistan to kick some Taliban ass (when it was Al Quaeda that caused 9/11), then went to Iraq because Al Quada and a dictator-with-too-much-power was there. While I agree that the way we are handling things in Iraq isn't the best way, and won't solve much in the end, (Iraq will have a civil war whenever we leave, period), it's pretty offensive to say "well, the terrorists will always win in the end, might as well pack it in, give up, game over."

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

This whole incident makes me want to make an offensive game.

 

I'll call it "9/11 avenger", and your goal will be to kill as many people who have nothing to do with 9/11 as possible, in order to avenge 9/11. You start by choosing a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, where not one of the 9/11 hijackers came from. Next, you cause ten times the civilian casualties caused by 9/11. At the same time, you'll want ot kill as many of your own people as died on 9/11.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

This game wasn't made with parody in mind.  It was made to shock people and to generate some publicity for a mediocre 'artist' with a mediocre career.

I don't know where the idea came from that anytime someone makes something controversial and call it 'art', it's actually art.  A hispanic 'artist' videotaped a dog being starved to death and called it art, is that art too?  What if I put a bag over a homeless man's head and videotape how long it takes him to suffocate, then put it on display at some art gallery, is that art?

No, it's not art.  It's a sad attempt to grab attention for a man who wants to call himself an 'artist' and sit around and pretend to be an intellectual while he really just likes to shock and offend people for the sake of being shocking and offensive.  Stop holding losers like that up as though they're martyrs; this man is talentless, and this man is a hack.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I can't stand any gamer trying to censor this claiming it isn't art. What makes you any different than anyone trying to censor games? We fight to get them to be considered art, and then we turn around and attack another form of art. Controversial maybe, but so was GTA. Should that be banned too?

Every generation has the notorious habit of fighting for their own hobby than attacking the next generations. Go ahead and continue it, but when you're doing it, look at yourself, and you'll see you're no different from Jack Thompson. People here are attacking the game, but they haven't played it. When Fox News attacked Mass Effect, they didn't play it either. We were angry. Jack calls for a Bully ban after hearing some things about it. We were angry. Someone comes out with a piece of controversy we don't agree with. We show our true colours, don't we. We attack it with prejudice and uneducated statements.

When the next generation comes, do you want to be the person to attack their hobbies? Do you want to be that person? I know I don't.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I haven't seen anybody claiming it's not art. And since he took his peice down by choice, censorship doesn't really enter into it. I've seen the game, and I've seen the reactions to it. I've seen people playing it. You know what? NOTHING CHANGED. The game is simple. It's space invaders with a Twin Towers theme tacked on to it. There isn't anything else to it.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I've seen GTA. I've played it. You know what? It's still a murder Simulator.

And Fox news saw Mass Effect. They saw video clips of it. And you know what? It's still training children to be sex obsessed and to sell themselves. (Or whatever Fox claimed).

I sense double standards here. Besides, I see Invaders! and see it as a work of art - it provokes emotion and discussion. More so than any painting by Van Gogh.

Perhaps we should redefine what constitutes art for the conviniance of those who find this piece offends them?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Oh, side note, the original was apparently made in 2001.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

 If you pull an Ann Coulter you should expect the same reaction she gets. (IE: making fun of 9/11 outside of /b/)

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I think this guy (tecknicklee, second edge comment) sums up how I feel:

""Disappointing" is really the only word I can use to label this piece of work.

At it's best, Stanley's work is poorly thought-out, totally oblivious to his source material and just flat-out LAZY. Maybe I am missing a message that exists on a higher level that Stanley has either concealed beyond recognition or simply is not equipped to express, but this is a missed opportunity to have connected the mechanics expressed by Space Invaders with the reality and nature of the events of September 11, 2001 along with the nature of the war on "terror".

At it's worst, it's a cheap, amateur piece that shamelessly rides the rising popularity of videogames while exploiting a still open-wound in the psyche of the American and international community. This piece does little to put a spotlight on what could have potentially been a powerful comparison between the futility of Space Invades and the international efforts to combat terror with conventional tactics. Instead, it is a muddled, chimerical, clumsy almagam of pop culture and recent events.

If Stanley has an ounce of videogame history and vocabulary, he certainly doesn't express it. There is so much great material to work with, and it's almost as if he just cut the tongue out of the buffallo and threw the rest away. Making this material work as a critical success to both high art and the general populace would have been EASY, but somehow, Stanley has appeared to let sensationalism and his own ignorance prevail.

I know very little about Stanley, but this piece has pretty much made me lump him into the annoying and vacuous community of artsy bullshitters who do nothing but wave their hands in front of games they've never played while calling themselves pioneers of some new, imaginary medium.

Controversy for controversy's sake is a sheer sign of vanity, caprice and artistic shalowness."

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Wow I see the petty witless woolie apes coming out of the barn over this, if the creator is as annoying as the whiners whining even then it would not be worth the fuss.

Oh and news at 11 someone copied pack man or zelda only made with his own code, and changes to the map layouts and a few other things it 80% resembles the classic the world is goign to end I tell you!!

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Does anyone else find it interesting how Internet forum/message-board principles such as trolling are being applied to an art exhibit which itself has nothing to do with the Internet?

Nevermind all that though - I thought the purpose of art exhibits was often to spark a reaction or encourage debate, and it seems as though the exhibit has done exactly that, so it doesn't look like a failed exhibit to me.

Just playing devils advocate here for a moment.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

To an extent. Artists usually have some statement to make in their work, whether overtly (Orwell), or more concealed (some romantic fiction). Often times this will create debate, but over the views expressed in the work itself, and the skill with which they are brought out, and not how dumb the author is.

The point isn't clear here though. Meaning it's either bad art (likely) or it was put out specifically to generate outrage, which is trolling. The fact that when he bowed out he felt the need to act like a dick supports the arguement that he was a troll.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

You're most certainly right.

His exhibit, as art, was made for express purpose of sparking a reaction. He got a reaction to be sure. Maybe not the one he wanted - but we can't all get what we want. If he wasn't expecting a negative reaction all then I question his occupation as an artist.

A true artist would accept criticism - positive or negative - and just learn from it. After all, isn't that what art is about?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

If I created a work of art that was going to be displayed I might have made sure I couldn't be sued for it.  Perhaps he should have re-created some of the assets from space invaders rather than pretty much taking them exactly as is.  They should be recognnizable but not exactly the same (which they look as if they are).  Taito has more merit being pissed of than people that are overly sensitive about the terrorist attacks on 9/11.  I don't think he should be sued but I do think that Taito has more of a legitimate argument.  Again I might be wrong on this because I didn't actually get to experience the exhibit but thats what it looks like from the videos I've seen.

I feel he was actually fairly tame in his response to the people that were offended.  I would have been much, much more vulgar and I also would have concentrated on insulting the intelligence of those that were offended.  Lets face it, if you are so offended that you choose to speak about it then you are asking for it.  If you are so sensitive to where you are offended by art then perhaps you deserve to be offended if you choose to risk exposing yourself to it.  People are so soft and weak.  Everything has to be properly wrapped with a nice little bow before people accept it.  Not only that but if it is infact somewhat ugly or generally perceived as bad the politically correct police come and invent a new name for it.  It doesn't change what it is but it just makes people more comfortable hearing and seeing it.  These people breed dishonesty and ignorance.  I hope these overly sensitive self rightious individuals are offended on a daily basis until they realize they are not the center of the universe.  

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

"Contrary to previous reports, I am an American"

Yay, told you so :p

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

What we're dealing with here is a troll. He takes space invaders and reskins in with a Twin Towers theme. People get offended, he pulls his game down. Sends out a comment about American immaturity.

Michel Moore documentaries may be disrespectful and dishonest, but at least Moore gets a message across This guy didn't. There's no insight here. There's little in the way of a poltical statement.

He represents the dregs of the gaming community, and should be forgotten. Gamers are fighting a PR battle. Supporting this guy hurts the PR, and his game keeps people from taking gaming seriously. It's uncreative and juvenile. Supporting him makes gamers seem like the social misfits the media portrays them to be.

People got offended, and he pulled his game down. He says it's because Americans are immature. It's probably because he was going to get sued.

Maybe there will be a good commentary on 9/11 in game form. A space invaders clone will not fulfill that purpose.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

He was in Germany so the whole "freedom of speech" thing is kind of moot, heh.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Let's put this to bed right here and now, if the guy was for real he would have had the courage of his convictions and ideals to stand up proudly behind his work, but he didn't.  He was looking to make a splash but did not count on getting wet himself.  There is no two ways about it the guy is a tool, and seems like a snob given his comments, after all freedom of speech cuts both ways so can the "media made me do X" garbage.  People like this are just pathetic and deserve not spite but pity. 

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

The guy is an attention whore.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

He is not making any money off of this Space Invaders game, right?  So why is he getting sued?  It's not for commercial use, as nobody payed to play it or payed to buy the game itself.  I don't see why everybody is making a big deal over him "stealing" the game and then getting excited over video game clones on the internet with politics added in.  Shouldn't we worry more about actual piracy and the ESA?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Knowing how some art can get bought out by certain wealthy individuals for really large amounts of cash, it could really suggest that he could end up profiting in some way from the art.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I think it is the "uncomfortable ambiguity" that got a lot of people here. This game could have meant a lot more if the message was clearer.

From the video in the earlier post, all I can see is that he's created a video game where you run around and gesture to play "Space Invaders," with a Twin Towers theme in the background. What exactly is that supposed to tell us? Is that "uncomfortable ambiguity," or is that "failing to communicate a message"? That's always a tension with art, I suppose, but in this case I'd say more of the latter, unless there's something in the exhibit which wasn't featured in the video.

At least with Wafaa Bilal's art, he altered the game in a personally meaningful way, gave some backstory for his involvement and artistic choices, etc. Not to say that one person's art is better than another's, but if you don't communicate a message through your art, then what was the point of doing a piece that's supposed to have a message?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Trolling. Pure and simple.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Oh, whoops - I read your post further down about how the artist is a troll.

Sorry!

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Uh, what? I fail to see how anything I wrote could be construed as trolling. I was making points about this artist's attempts to create meaning with his work and about how most people seem not to have gotten any message out of it at all.  What's trollish about that? 

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I'm all for the right of this game to exist and be shown to the public.  However, calling the American reaction "immature" reeks of petty eleitism.  9/11 was a terrible experience for Americans, they have every right to be upset.  This tool knew what he was getting into.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Nobody got offended at all the World War 2 games...

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

WWII games also had a single "acceptable evil" as the Nazis. The Japanese forces are more of a hazy cloud, however. Japanese censors a lot of the western-made WWII games in the context of Japanese participation in the war.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

The World War II games were at least close to factual. You notice that they didn't turn the Rape of Nanking into a cartoon. They didn't make a game where you play a Japanese war criminal experimenting on POWs.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

The fact that countless books and several movies can be made on the subject and be called masterpieces (Michael Moore and masterpiece in the same sentance? yeah right) yet a videogame expressing the same thing is "insensitive" and whatever bullshit they're saying just wreaks of immaturity.

They never even gave it a chance. They never even bothered. They just went "9/11 AND VIDEOGAMES IN THE SAME SENTENCE? RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I'm a european and I agree with JustChris completely. If the game was about London or Madrid bombing and would have reach the ears of mass media the same scandal would have probably occured.

Anyone who's read a newspaper once in his life knows that such dramatic events don't lead to moderation, especially from media and politicians. Attacking americans' supposed immaturity, although these reactions were so pretictable, in this case wasn't very... mature of him.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Why is it okay for movies such as Fareinheit 9/11 (I think that was it?) and Flight.. something or other.. to be made, but videogames on the same subject can't be?

Why is it okay for there to be countless books of people expressing themselves about 9/11, but it's not okay for videogames to do the same?

It 'makes light of it'? Makes 'entertainment of it'? In that case, stop charging for the books and movies. Thanks.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Personally I think that Micheal Moore is an opprotunist, and that Fareinheit 9/11 was a disgusting piece of trash...

But, Farinheit 9/11 did have a point, something that this piece of "art" didn't, other than pissing off some people then backing out as soon as some internet tuff guys got mad.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

So what was Farenheit 9/11's point?

What did it do that this didn't? In fact, I'd say this was more effective at raising discussion.

In Farenheit 9/11, we're presented with one viewpoint and thats that. In Invaders! there is no set view point - you can think what you like.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Yet another victory for videogames bashers...

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

It clearly offended more Americans than non-Americans, because 9/11 took place in America and not somewhere else. Simple enough.

 
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Andrew EisenThat's actually a super depressing thought, that a bunch of retweeters are taking that pic as an illustration of the actual issue instead of an example of a complete misunderstanding of it.09/01/2014 - 4:20pm
Andrew EisenObviously, the picture was created by someone who doesn't understand what the issue actually is (or, possibly, someone trying to satire said misunderstanding).09/01/2014 - 4:10pm
Papa MidnightPeople fear and attack what they do not understand.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
Papa MidnightWell, let's not forget. Someone held their hand in a peace sign a few weeks ago and people started claiming it was a gang sign. Or a police chief displayed the hand signal of their fraternity and was accused of the same.09/01/2014 - 4:04pm
SleakerEither people don't understand that what the picture is saying is true, or the picture was created out of a misunderstanding of what sexism is.09/01/2014 - 3:52pm
Sleaker@AE ok yah that's where the kind of confusion I'm getting. Your tweet can be taken to mean two different things.09/01/2014 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - No. No, not even remotely. The pic attached to my tweet was not made by me; it's not a statement I'm making. It's an illustration of the complete misunderstanding of the issue my tweet is referring to.09/01/2014 - 3:13pm
Papa MidnightIn other news, Netflix states why it paid Comcast: http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/technology/netflix-comcast/index.html?hpt=hp_t209/01/2014 - 3:10pm
Papa MidnightAndrew Eisen: Sites like Tumblr make things seem much bigger than they are. A vocal extreme minority start complaining and things go as they do.09/01/2014 - 3:09pm
SleakerAre you trying saying that specific costumes are sexist simply by being included in the game?09/01/2014 - 3:03pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Seems completely cut and dry to me (of course, I wrote it so that's not surprising). What about it do you find confusing?09/01/2014 - 2:25pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/09/01/icewind-dale-enhanced-edition-now-available-for-pre-order/ Third time's the charm, right guys? Right? Surely Icewind Dale EE can't suck as much as Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 EEs can, right?09/01/2014 - 1:37pm
 

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