Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator Blames Media Reports

August 25, 2008 -

As GamePolitics reported last week, an artist's Leipzig Game Conference exhibit which blended the arcade classic Space Invaders with images of the Twin Towers caused no small amout of controversy.

According to Edge Online artist Douglas Edric Stanley has pulled the exhibit, citing the uproar. In his blog, Stanley blames much of the public reaction to what he views as an ill-informed initial report by Kotaku:

I believe that I have at least some responsibility in taking seriously the many comments, especially from those within the gaming community, and obviously over at Kotaku where the response was the most varied and interesting...

 

Sadly, the work has been discussed, largely... based on this early report in which the journalist did not even play the game. For me at least, a video game is at some point always going to be about its gameplay. Ironically, the same journalist finally did play the game, and found some merit in it. But by then, the cat was out of the bag, and we had a media circus on our hands...
 

Stanley adds:

While I take full responsibility for the uncomfortable ambiguity of certain aspects of this work, it was never created to merely provoke controversy for controversy’s sake, and unfortunately, this is what the piece has now become... The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work...

 

Contrary to previous reports, I am an American, and it saddens me that we as a people remain so profoundly unable to process this event outside of some obscure, but tacitly understood, criteria of purely anesthetized artistic representation.

In related news, Space Invaders creator TAITO has indicated that it may sue Stanley and the Leipzig show for using the game without authorization.


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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I'm all for artistic expression, but Edric Stanley came off as churlish, arrogant and oblivious in his response. Since he'd initially used another's game design only to add this particular expression, it certainly seems like it was added to "provoke controversy for controversy’s sake."

If not, then why?
 
..and exactly how idiotic does one need to be not to realize why people are incensed?  Not to mention that he seems genuinely surprised by the backlash.

What a tard.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Funny, the videos showed no version of Space Invaders I ever saw... likewise the way to control this game was slightly different and the fact that the background element was what was slowly being destroyed which has NEVER been done in a Space Invaders game before.

But I suppose you knew all this already.

And why does he seemed suprised?  One of Michael Bays most popular movies is Pearl Harbor.  A film that took a pivotal and controversial moment in American History and reduced it to Ben Affleck sneaking off to fuck on a boat.  Likewise, within a YEAR of 9/11, we had three made for TV movies chronicling the events with the same level of seriousness as Dragon Wars.  Marvel Comics sold an art book showing their various heroes reactions to 9/11.We have had commenoritive coins, plates, dollars, t-shirts, mugs, notebooks, bumper stickers, and let's not forget flags themselves all leading to a national shortage of American Flags in this country.  9/11 has been sold in every form of baseless consumerism this country has to offer to the point I'm suprised they haven't made a Happy Meal toy over those events.

But this game... this is the step tooo far for Americans.  Because it's a video game, yet again, that's the cause of the controversy.

People need to draw a line in the sand somewhere.  And clearly label it the "too far" meter.  Because I can buy a "Remember 9/11" commenorative vibrator and that's just fine.  But god forbid interactive art makes political statements.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Micheal Bay's most popular movie?  Have you SEEN Transformers?  Please....

Semper Fidelis Tim Shull Cpl Ret USMC

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

He said one of, not the most popular.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I honestly can't think of a game that offends me.

This thing?  Nope.

Columbine Massacre RPG?  Nope.

The VT game?  The torture game?  Border Patrol?  Manhunt?  Postal?  GTA?

No, no and no.

Am I enlightened or just insensitive?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

....What about Catwoman? Superman 64? Custer's Revenge? Did none of those offend you?

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Catwoman - Didn't see the movie.  Looked stupid.  Game looked like a Prince of Persia rip off which isn't necessarily a bad thing but I never played it.

Superman 64 - If it was determined that Titus thought the game was good enough, that Superman fans would eat up any old garbage and be happy with it, then, yes I would have been offended.  I doubt that was the case though.  The game ended up an unplayable mess and I doubt anyone on the development team was happy with it.

Custer's Revenge - Nope.  Didn't offend me.

 

You know what does offend me?  Censorship and bans.  The gov't or anyone else deciding that something is not appropriate for me.   That offends me.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I wouldn't call you insensitive, no, but can you at least appreciate why said projects are controversial?  It isn't as though you have to agree with the kneejerk reactions to understand why they are made/felt.

(For the record, I'm not playing devils advocate, just portraying my own feelings on the matter.  I feel art SHOULD be able to use existing media and explore subjects that are difficult, and whilst this means that reactions can be bad as well as good, it shouldn't mean that said artist's works should be closed down.)

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Sure.  I can understand why someone finds something offensive even if I don't.  And to be clear, I don't hold anything against those who are offended (silly as that reaction may seem to me), what I have an issue with is the overreactions that infringe on the rights of others.  Overreactions such as calling for displays to be removed, games to be banned, books to be burned and the like.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Insensitive! 

 

But really, I guess maybe I'd understand people taking offense if it were something like this

http://www.selectparks.net/911survivor/911screenshots.html

But, it isn't. Did anyone really see the screenshot of it with the space invaders shooting the towers and the players NEGATIVE point count? Or did everyone not see that and decide "Oh 9/11 I'm going to go on a tangent and yell and scream."  

Its times like this when I tent to agree with the guy "The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work..."

Can't we all just grow a set and move on? Or is that too hard for us?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

"The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work..."

So I have to ask, has he tried any other "exibits" based on other countries tragic events?  Maybe as an artist he should see how other parts of the world would react to such...

I'm more offended by the trollish creator's hypocrisy then the so called work of art...  The same old "Just as planed, I knew the subject of my work was too stupid to understand my brilliance" stance.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

 

America is relatively unique in the way it plays the victim card. It's never remotely responsible when someone attacks.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Space Invaders? Isn't that that peacekeeping organization from Star Wars which includes the ranks padawan and knight?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I'm forced to agree with Dog Welder and Dark Sovereign.  This guy has ZERO ground to stand on when he uses someone else's property without asking permission first.  He dwells in the art world yet steals someone else's ideas to use in his own work without permission. 

Any credibility he may have had was flushed with that move.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

This guy has ZERO ground to stand on

 

I see what you did there.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Glad someone did.  The statement was made to show the hypocricy of those taking the "It's not a copyright issue" stance.

Personally I'd want someone to ask permission before using something I created rather than asking forgiveness.

-Loudspeaker
"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

"Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I doubt this is the first time that someone has taken someone elses idea; Plaigarism is rife in any industry.

For example; Avril Lavigne's video for "I wanna be your Girlfriend" is neck and neck with "The evolution of Dance" to first youtube video to 1 million views. I say that as it shows the song is fairly popular.

Of course, some say that she ripped off the Rubinoos "I want to be your Boyfriend" when she came up with that song.

The artist isn't even profiting from this.

And @Dark; No one ever said that. You instantly assuming thats what people thing about you says a lot about you than it does about the artist.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I was using hyperbole. It was based on this portion:

"While I take full responsibility for the uncomfortable ambiguity of certain aspects of this work, it was never created to merely provoke controversy for controversy’s sake, and unfortunately, this is what the piece has now become... The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work...

 Contrary to previous reports, I am an American, and it saddens me that we as a people remain so profoundly unable to process this event outside of some obscure, but tacitly understood, criteria of purely anesthetized artistic representation."

Specifically the last sentence of the first chunk and the last sentence in it's entirety. It reeks of elitism. The artist says this not as a person who actually cares about "we as a people" but as a person who clearly believes himself above such petty feelings.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Check the comments on his page-

 thttp://www.abstractmachine.net/blog/30-years-of-invasions/#comments

I can understand why he's so pissed.  He might have stepped into fire with this but the comments by some of the people commentating is just enormously insulting.

If i was in his situation I would have personally erupted at them with far more anger than this guy's fairly calm statement.  

He might have been a asshole by creating that but the response has been frankly juvenille and confirms the steoreotype of gamers being hyperviolent freaks.

I'm not defending him but he is right when he says that the response has been juvenile.

As for creating it, I think the use of the WTC was frankly insensitive.   

  

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Defending his right to speech while lambasting his opponents portrays us as out-of-touch nerds. I see where you're coming from, but the fact that he did this in the first place doesn't really say much about his maturity either. The best thing to do would have been to ignore him.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

 

Anyone who is offended by a stupid game of space invaders while there's truly atrocious stuff going on is out of touch.

 

Seriously. We went into Iraq to the beat of the 9/11 drum, even though Bush himself has admitted Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. I'd be outraged about that. More American soldiers have died in Iraq than died on 9/11. I'd be outraged about that. At least 45,000 civilians have been hurt or wounded. I'd be outraged about that. 9/11 could have been mitigated if fighter jets scrambled to shoot the second plane down. I'd be outraged about that.

 

A game of space invaders? I'm not all that outraged about that. Am I *REALLY* the out-of-touch one?

 

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

I love when people know dick about art and yet love to chime in their two cents.

It's called derivitive works, using someone else's original art in a modified fashion to make a new artistic statement.  Fairly common in the art world, actually.  No, he wouldn't be looked down upon as an "artist" whereas you will wear the label "twat" for quite some time.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Let's not forget that all art is not equal.  I walked on an "art" exhibit that was a pattern of nine tiles on the floor alternating between stainless steel and black.  My opionon is that everything's been crap since the impressionist period.  Whadda ya say to that?

Semper Fidelis Tim Shull Cpl Ret USMC

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Isn't plagerism the highest form of flattery :)

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

The artist was a douche. An arrogant douche to boot. Clearly, these "other parts" of the world are culturally superior in every way to us poor, dirt dwelling, dumb-as-sewage Americans.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

How ironic, I think that this was the whole political statement. America acts like they are culturally superior that not only they made 9/11 their own problem, but the worlds problem. The American government went as far as blackmail countries like Canada, and a domino effect that brings in even more countries like Britain. Congratulation for making the most ironic post for today.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Another moron on this site.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Seriously, please shut up. Don't call people morons; add insightful, meaningful comments to these discussions.

....Hold on a sec.....Jack?...JT, is that you? Are you trying to defame someone again?

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Still can't think of anything relevant to add to the conversation huh?

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

You obviously have no appreciation for the subltest of subtlties.  Look deeper in the content.  Embrace it's MEANING.  Now write a 20 page paper that analyes the structure and content in a philosophicle/political/economical/ and societal context.  Due next Friday.

Semper Fidelis Tim Shull Cpl Ret USMC

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Spell checker is your friend.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Have you been living in a cave? Al Qaida attacked more countries than America. And how did we "blackmail" anybody? 

This artist, and you, remind me of the European/Canadian attitude of "every opinion is worth something unless it's American". Americans are allowed to be offended, and he wasn't forced to pull the game.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

Now tell me again that Al Qaeda has attacked more countries.  You can't ignore your history just because it suits you anymore than I can as an Englishman.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

No, I have not been living in a cave, nor said that Americans attack more countries. America attacked very little amount of countries relative to others, and even held back from many wars like both world wars. This is not an issue. About Al Qaida, Canada doesn't get as much of Al Qaida propaganda as the citizens in America do.

Also, Canada and most European countries respects Americans just as much as other countries we are allied with. But we can choose sides on a debate, and some people are going to seem arrogant and vise-versa. But hypocrisy really boils my water. Yes, Americans are allowed the be offended, but Americans offends many people. Do you think that Germany like to be painted as Hitler's mindless minions during the 40's, but it sure does look like that in the media. Some people in the middle east are offended by women having equal rights.

As for the blackmailing, I don't think that you are going to hear about that, and why would you. It's not about arrogance, but unable to retrieve that kind of information. American media won't report that kind of information. What President Bush told the Prime minister of Canada is that Canada has to help the US in either the Iraq war, or the Afghanistan war(well, asked the help the Iraq war, but the Canada government didn't want to get into that, so one side, either Canada or the Sates, not sure, suggested the Afghanistan war) or Bush would start cancelling trades , which means everything to the Canadian economy. Of course Canada choose Afghanistan, and I believe most Americans know that. Where Britain comes in is that the Canadian Government felt that there wasn't enough support for the Afghanistan war, and will pull out if there was no help from other countries, and one of the countries we asked is Britain. I believe Britain already had some support, but I could be wrong.

You have to remember that different countries has very different political views. This artist has a very different political view about 9/11 just like your political view is different from Canada about the wars.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Neither the Europeans nor the Canadians respect the American ways of running things. If they did, you wouldn't see the British berating Americans about "living in fear" when we say we don't like gun control, and you wouldn't hear the Canadians bitching about our "xenophobia" in illegal immigration debates.

I was saying that Al Qaida attacked more countries than just America. They attacked both Spain and England.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Is that something new? Many countries do it all the time with other countries. America complains about digital rights in Canada all the time. There are complaints from many countries around the world about the Japanese hunting whales. Many countries criticize China about the one child rule.

This is nothing new, and it's not just with America.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

No. However, given the new cult of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" that abounds in Canada, Europe, and the elite, I thought that I would point it out. Just like many commenters on this site, they respect the opinions that agree with them, and treat any dissenting opinion as a threat that must be stamped out. The asshole has a right to his display his game (or would, if he hadn't stolen the code), but the people offended by it have the right to be offended.

But when somebody gets offended at speech what happens? The elitists and internet junkies come out and declare that your a fool for getting offended.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Well, that's what this site is built on. We see headlines about some politician talking about how violent video games are corrupting our youth, and we rage on this site, and sometimes immaturely. Now with this article, the line gets a little bit grey, and there are valid statements on both side of the argument.

Do to the nature of the people on this website, we believe that everyone has the freedom of speech, and shouldn't question it with some exceptions. This isn't one of those exception. A exception is usually something like lying, or fascism which is stuff like censorship, must follow ones belief, discrimination, genocide, etc.

This artist doesn't fall under fascist, thus most people on this website would defence him. It's like having a person defending gay rights with a priest. Due to what the bible say, homosexuals should be beheaded, so majority of priest would be against it and sometimes would damn you to Hell. But you would have the odd one who agrees to have gay rights.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

The artist is a plagiarist, and few people on this site understand copyright law. The artist can't make a clear point, and had to TELL people what it was, indicating he isn't a very good artist. The art itself was garunteed to cause offense, meaning he is either an idiot or a real life troll. And the killing blow? He took it down himself, and blamed America's immaturity.

I don't support censorship, but this doesn't really qualify. This is more of a gray area. This idiot set out to cause uproar for the sake of getting attention, and he succeeded. The internet community should be able to spot his kind, and avoid them, from a mile away. But what do we do? We pretend he wasn't a hack. We attack those with differing opionions as immature, and declare ourselves to have the moral high ground, thus stomping over the "everybody has a right to their opinion" facade that gamers try to hide behind.

The only person at fault here is the artist. He made a game garunteed to cause offense, and then, when the copyright owner threatens to sue him for stealing and repurposing their code without permission, he takes down his exhibit and pretends that Americans are immature. HE'S AN ASS. He deserves to be forgotten, not defended.

We are not considered a legitimate artform, and this is why. We don't want to confront the idiots within our ranks. We don't actually judge our artistic output on its subjective grounds. We simply say that everybody else should respect free speech and tell them to suck it for thinking that this guy shouldn't be supported.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Have you even seen the whole game. It feels like Lawrence Cooper all over again. As GamePolitics reported, many whistle blowers dropped their statement when they actually played the game. Maybe there is a real message in the game.

Also, how many space invader clones do you see on the internet? There must be a new one daily, and almost an exact copy while this is a modified version with a new way of interacting with the game based on video image of the player. This guy wasn't trying to sell the game, it was like a tech demo.

Lets say that you made a game console, and you didn't want to make to go through a whole process of making an original game, so you make a Mario clone. Even though you are not selling that game, do you think Nintendo would be knocking on your door for copyright infringement?

I see nothing in the article about stealing codes either. Also, Nintendo is constantly being sued all the time for patent infringement with products like DS and Wii, but do you think Nintendo is a criminal?

About America's immaturity, you would be surprised what kind of comments these people get. When Black Looks blogged about RE5 being racist, you see comments with the 'n' word more often then the word "the". Do you call that mature?

You might say that the people who were offended by this game are respectable people. Well on a website called OneNewsNow, it's full of very Christian people commenting on the articles. They should be respectable people, right? Well there was an article about discrimination against Homosexuals and Transsexuals being recognized by the government, and all over the comment page, you see people saying that they all should die and go to hell, they are corrupting sociality, confusing children, blah blah blah. I would call their response very immature even though the bible told them that it was a sin. So they have a good reason to say that, right?

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

He is being a "douche" because nobody could handle the game.  If I was him I'd act the same way.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Name calling and barely concealed condescension reveal him to be far more immature than anybody he offended. He's either a douche for purposefully creating a game which garunteed a harsh reaction, or he's an idiot for not realizing a great many people would be offended by making light of the worst terrorist attack in the United States' history. I'm leaning to the side of douche.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Why is it, that many otherwise normal people, when faced with some thing that offends them, turn into fucking moronic bigots, with no perspective and no ability to think critically about that which upsets or offends them. Essentially, they act like Jack Thompson.

You like so many other people on this are seeing it it what you want to see. You want to be fucking offended by it, so therefore you see it as a joke about 9/11, despite the fact the the exhbit does nothing of the sort.  You are offended because you can't find a middle ground between speaking of it with a sort of reverent awe or shouting down anyone who doesn't talk about it the same way.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Boy somebody's projecting hard. I'm not offended by it. I don't care if the game is shown or not. I don't like the bad PR this gives gaming, and the artist is not somebody we need representing our community. I find the game forgettable and stupid.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Bad PR? What are you talking about? Is it bad PR for books when someone prints something offensive? Is it bad PR for movies when someone films something offensive? No it is not. This game along with many otehr games are doing more to break open the "games are for children" stereotype than anything coming from major game publishers. I would rather see more of this come from the indie sector than any number of FPS and rpg clones.

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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Books and movies already have public respect. Games don't. People need time to acclimate. Kotaku's story was right: it is "too soon", in more ways than one.

This does nothing to convince people that games are not childish. Both the author and the game are immature. I would prefer that the indie sector do something creative, and code their own games.

We, the gaming community, need to decide what we want to be. If we truly want to advance games as art, then we shouldn't be throwing our outrage behind every Tom, Dick, and Harry troll who wants to make an "ironic" or "offensive" game. Or we can be eternally seen as nerds squatting on the internet and continue acting as we do now.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Read up on the history of the Novel and Film. Both had their offensive works during the infancy of their medium. The fiction novel was looked upon as a thing for vagrants and heritics. Many films created ourrage in the public because they showed things like a person firing a gun at the camera or a train riding to the camera. Even worse things were shown during films infancy. You think pornos started in the 50's try before 1910.

Every time a new medium is created there imediately follows offensive works. But, we can either let it happen as in books or film, or we can limit it like what happened with comics.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Clearly, all of those things are just as offensive as making a video game based off of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. Jesus. Do you even understand why people are offended? Did you seriously consider that the other side has a point here? I not going to say I'm sad he took it down. Bad art is bad art. It doesn't deserve ANY respect. What we're dealing with here is a hack and a pussy. If video games want to be taken seriously, their community needs to treat them like a serious art form. That includes calling idiots like this one out on their bullshit.

Bullshit number 1: The game is a commentary on the Iraq War.

No, the game was made in 2001. Before the Iraq War started.

Bullshit number 2: "I took it down because Americans are immature"

Thinking that material is completely tasteless and pointless is not immature. And the artist took it down because his ass is/was about to get sued.

The video game community needs to learn when bad art is bad art. It's beginning to seem as if gamers don't actually take themselves or their media seriously. Certainly, this person didn't.

Re: Controversial 9/11 Space Invaders Mashup Pulled as Creator

Just as with all art, every person has their own taste and opinion. Not everyone agrees on what constitutes "bad art" To one person a pile of crap on a canvas is bad art while to someone else it is good art. To one person romance novels are great literature while to another they are not worth the paper they are printed on. To one person Invaders is bad are while to another it is good art with meaning and a message about the war on Terror.

We won't ever agree on what is good art and what is not. That is part of how art works. Art is a debate topic.

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You Americans are full of shit. There's no proper way to explain their complete inconsistency.

 

If you were really going to get offended by something, get offended by the fact that the US Air Force DIDN'T scramble a jet to shoot down the second jet, directly causing the deaths of thousands of people, all while the president refused to get off his ass and do something.

 

THEN, you send off more people to die in a meaningless war against someone who never did DICK to the USA then died on 9/11, all in the name of "getting the terrorists who caused 9/11".

 

No, you're going to get outraged over a space invaders clone. A FUCKING SPACE INVADERS CLONE. People are dying RIGHT NOW, but YOU decide to act outraged OVER A SPACE INVADERS CLONE, instead of SENDING INNOCENT SOLDIERS TO MEANINGLESS DEATHS.

Congratulations, you're just as shallow and nihilistic as the muslims claim.

 

 
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Andrew EisenOoo, this one came down to the wire! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/749082525/nefarious09/19/2014 - 1:03am
Andrew EisenI don't doubt that many are truly interested in journalistic integrity. The problem I'm often seeing is they seem to have no idea how or where to talk about it.09/18/2014 - 11:46pm
Andrew EisenDidn't word that well. Busy at work. I've seen people claim that GamerGate is solely about ethics and transparency in games journalism and then go on to show that what they're really after is silencing those who talk about gender issues in games.09/18/2014 - 11:45pm
Kronodebate. Becaus apparently people who only post on Reddit are supposed to police twitter before they're allowed to question anything about the people involved.09/18/2014 - 10:40pm
KronoI highly doubt many, if any are using journalistic integrity as a cover for harassment. The people harassing are essentially trolls. They aren't interested in subtle. More often it's othe other way around. People use "but X is being harassed" to shut down09/18/2014 - 10:38pm
Andrew EisenAnd exacerbating everything is the fact that all the cries of ethics violations have been obnoxious and easily proven false.09/18/2014 - 8:59pm
Andrew EisenProblem is, I would imagine, the sheer number of people who are using journalistic integrity as a cover for their harassing actions or only bringing it up on the false pretense of journalistic integrity.09/18/2014 - 8:47pm
Andrew EisenHaving said that, I can certainly see how one would be frustrated if they truly just wanted to talk about journalistic integrity and someone said they were one of the people harassing Sarkeesian, Quinn and others (though I've seen no examples of that).09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoThat's been the common refrain, that talk of journalism ethics is just an excuse to harass people.09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoLines like "like a partial compromise with the howling trolls who’ve latched onto ‘ethics’ as the latest flag in their onslaught against evolution and inclusion." are taring everyone questioning the ethics as a harasser.09/18/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Except, none of the articles were talking about gamers complaining about journalist ethics, let alone called them white male misogynists. They were talking about the gamers who were harassing others.09/18/2014 - 8:36pm
Kronomakes plenty of sense. It's rather hard to dismiss someone as a white guy running a sock puppet when they've posted proof they're a woman, or black, or another minority.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat any critics of journalists were white guys that hated women, and could be dismissed as such. It seems to have helped some. It's kind of difficult to maintain the white guy narrative in the face of a bunch of women and non-white guys. So the tag09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat, someone vented on a #gamergate 4chan thread about being dismissed like that. The suggestion they got in return was to organize their own hashtag in response, with #NotYourShield being suggested. Thus the tag came into use to combat the undercurrent09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronomuch more general problem. And while several of the articles were fairly tame, they spured a bunch of people to dismiss any critics of the journalism involved as misogynistic men. Usually with insults aimed at the geek stereotype. After about a week of09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Not sure what that has to do with anything but yeah, the gender percentages differ depending on how the study defines what a gamer is.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
KronoThe rhetoric pushed by the spearheading articles that the "gamers" complaining about journalist ethics were just angry white male misogynists, insulted a lot of people that were previously fairly neutral. It made it go from a Kotaku problem, to a09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Krono@Andrew I'm not surprised overlap exists. I expect much of it is a rush to jump on the bandwagon, either by reporting on the original articles, or rushing out their own. The point is that was a major flashpoint, much bigger than the reddit mass deletion.09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Sleaker@AE - well the gamer trend was described with stats on Factual Femenist. Only 1 in 7 males plays games 20+ hrs going into college vs 1 in 40 females. So gaming is definitely still male dominated despite fake stats trying to say otherwise.09/18/2014 - 8:30pm
Craig R.Do conspiracies ever make sense? The fact that people are now having to defend themselves against nutjob websites like Breitbart.com shows how far down into the rabbit hole we've all been forcibly dragged.09/18/2014 - 7:05pm
 

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