Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like Ban in U.K.

August 25, 2008 -

Given the pre-release backlash from media watchdogs over the level of violence depicted in Sega's upcoming Wii title Madworld, publisher Sega is said to be in touch with officials of the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) and Pan-European Gaming Information system (PEGI) in an effort to head off the type of outright ban imposed on Rockstar Games' controversial Manhunt 2 last year.

Nintendic reports on the dialogue between Sega and the ratings bodies. Of particular significance is the BBFC. The organization was behind the Manhunt 2 ban, which was later overturned by Britain's High Court. More recently government officials have indicated that their preference is to turn the U.K.'s game rating chores over to the BBFC. The British game industry, however, would prefer PEGI.

Nintendic quotes Sega exec  David Corless:

Yes, [Madworld's] violent. We don’t try to hide that, but as publishers, we see it as a fantasy game - it’s fantasy violence. It’s over the top. It’s cartoony. We also take the violence very seriously. We are working with the age rating boards, with PEGI and with BBFC. We’re not at the end of the game’s development, but we’re working with them now to make sure that we don’t go over the top. The game has been banned in Germany; there’s no getting around that unfortunately. But we are taking it seriously and we’re going to make sure that this game is rated for the appropriate audience.

 


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Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Considering that it took Rockstar all this time with Manhunt 2, it seemes that the entire Videogame Industry is becomming gutless and really REALLY afraid of causing controversy.

 

in the end, no matter how hard to try, you will ALWAYS find people who are offended.

 

When I make games, I will know what to do and what not to do, and know that I am the only one who decides what I will have in my games regardless of any ratings body trying to censor me.

 

Being in Australia is hard enough....

 

But it is important to know where to stand sometimes than to be afraid of the BBFC banning your game.

 

SEGA are just too afraid to make mistakes because it would mean a loss of money that they can't afford to resubmit a game to the BBFC a second time.

 

 

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Doesnt this happen anyway,  Developers/Publishers working with the ratings board to see where their title will fit in and how to ensure it gets the rating they want.
It's just more public this time.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

At least they aren't going to censor the U. S. version unless you have to rip off a guy's testicles like in Manhunt 2.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

So does this mean they are going to censor it???

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Way to toss the floodgates open sega

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

They shouldn't HAVE to cooperate with them. To me, this is more than a video game issue. It's a human rights issue. Someone needs to go to the UN about the whole censorship issue and convince them to add excessive censorship as a crime against humanity punishable by at least some time in prison for the perpetrators, or expulsion from the UN if it's bad enough, *cough* Germany *cough*.


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Doesn't SEGA understand that this doesn't work? YOU CAN NOT REASON WITH THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE. They want everything to be portrayed all pleasant and cheerfull, but when that's what you give 'em, they bitch about "misrepresenting" things. They will always find something to bitch about. Always. Honestly, I hope they cut the game up and it gets banned anyway, just so they learn not to reason with the kinds of people who spend their time looking for anything to cry about.

 

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. HOLD THE LINE. DO NOT BUDGE.

 

Dumbasses...

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

"We’re not at the end of the game’s development, but we’re working with them now to make sure that we don’t go over the top."

That is a perfect example of a chilling effect.  Textbook.

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SEGA, you have dissapointed me again...ehh...

The entire game industry should refuse to release games or consoles to the UK and Australia until this shit stops...in the end, they (UK and Australia) will be better off.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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The "highest common tolerance" approach doesn't work. Suppose the games industry shuts out the US for the sexual censorship, Germany for banning nazi references, China for anything that disagrees with the party line, the UK and Australia for protesting violent content... That doesn't leave a lot of sales.

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THERE IS NO ENTITY IN THE UNITED STATES WHO CENSORS VIDEO GAMES! JESUS CHRIST, WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP POUNDING THAT OUT?!

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The industry itself does. Witness Fahrenheit, which cut sex scenes from the US version.

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Yeah, it's a shitty deal for the industry, but eventually enough game players would get pissed off enough that they'd stop buying, and with the boycot method they'd get pissed off at the Government for denying them their games. It'll never happen though. The Game industry is a bussiness above all else.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Sega is a pussy.

I am ashamed of Sega.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Interesting how the game is already banned in Germany when it hasn't even been finished yet.  That can't bode well for German gamers.  What's next, they'll ban a game based on the title alone before any screenshots are released?

This whole article is a pretty good example of why I dislike the government getting involved with any form of entertainment/art.  It just becomes another "selling point" if you will for when elections roll around.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

And indeed, it has not been banned, Sega is wrong here. It is not possible for anything to be banned in Germany before release. They could be denied an age rating, but it has not been banned yet - that would be against the German constitution that clearly says that banning can only happen after first publishment.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Careful Sega.

Censor the game and I won't buy it.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

'It’s over the top...'

 

'but we’re working with them now to make sure that we don’t go over the top'

 

wha? its ok because its over the top, but your working with them so you dont go over the top? How can 'over the top ' be both a defence and a thing to avoid in the same sentence. lol im confused.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

I didn't notice that. Perhaps this is a case of saying two opposite so that both groups (gamers with bloodlust and censors) will be satisfied. Or maybe they just mean they won't go over the top in terms of realism, who knows.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Well, it's Sega's fault for buying in to all this nonsense. If you're making a violent game, make a freaking violent game. Apparently for them sales are more important than freedom of expression. Maybe that's normal for a publisher but as a designer I would feel a bit cheated when my publisher went out to suck up to ratings organizations and some of my ideas had to go. Especially when it's a bunch of hypocrites they're sucking up to..

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

See, this is something worth attention. Here we have an honest to God government threatening free expression.

(Note to the British: I say "government" because the BBFC needs government power to enforce these bans. Without it, threats of refused rating are worthless.)

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

(Note to the British: I say "government" because the BBFC needs government power to enforce these bans. Without it, threats of refused rating are worthless.)

Even though you have taken great pains to explain your usage it is, unfortunately, incorrect. The power to enforce the law is not that of Government, but that of the State. The power of the State is exercised through Parliament who enacted the VRA 1984. That is the source of the BBFC's current responsibility. Once Parliament has enacted legislation it is the responsibility of the Government to ensure it is properly enforced.

The BBFC's responsibility to the Govt. is therefore trangential.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

The distinction is absent in the United States. The only time state is used is to refer to one of the fifty landmasses composing our nation. In the U.S., anything that makes or orders enforcement of laws is considered either the government itself or an arm of the government.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

And that is why the BBFC sucks.  *Shakes head*  Did they ever unban Manhunt 2 over there though, or is it still banned?

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

MH2 got unbanned, in one form or another. Rockstar just haven't got around to releasing it.

/b

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

This is the worst part about ratings systems.  Games have to deliberately restrain themselves because watchdog groups cry foul - often without even realizing what they're talking about.

M. Carusi

Capitol Gaming

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Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

The ESRB and, to my knowledge, PEGI, have both avoided the situation you've described. The AO rating exists almost exclusively for expliticit or near-explicit sexual content.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Uh-huh. And Manhunt 2?

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Uh-huh, testicles. Like, chopping them off. That's the problem. That would be why Manhunt 2 got the AO rating. Funny thing, the AO rating isn't a ban. The ESRB has no power other than to issue ratings. The game companies ban AO content on their consoles, not the ESRB. Go see for yourself. The only game that didn't have a sexual component was a game where you actually gambled.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Then why did they have to not only remove the worst testicle-related executions, but also blur ALL executions and remove several decapitations/head disintigrations? As well as shorten the dentist chair execution to get rid of the tooth pulling.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Games designers do that without rating systems. When was the last time you saw a child in any Grand Theft Auto game?

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

I don't know, possibly for the same reason you don't find gta mods that add children (well at least I haven't found any).

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

And I'm working with authorities as well.  Is this a great planet or what?  Hooah!  Jack Thompson

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

No you're not. Because you're not Jack.

STOP POSING AS HIM.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Would these be the authorities searching your house?

or the ones blocking your entrance to court rooms?(cause you 'figuratively' threatened to blow up court houses... with threats of making some explicit pictures come true...)

or the cyber crimes devision tracking than spam machine which is you? By the way, how did you ever get away with spamming public websites (which are frequented by minors studing law) with pictures of gay porn?

 

Or are you talking about that crossing guard near your house that always helps feeble minded persons of age across the street, you know the one that helps you...

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

A great planet huh? How many trees have you killed in the process of your fax machine killing spree?

Also, which authorities? Or are you being vague in the slim hope none of us will find out? I mean, being so proud of it I'm sure you'd be eager to name who you're supposedly working with.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

I think he's getting interviewed for a security guard job.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

This isn't the real Jack...this is a UK issue and he's working with the authorities....JT wannabe EPIC FAIL!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

He likes to insert himself into anything that he thinks MIGHT hurt the game industry and by extension Take Two.

Basically, he's the guy nobody invites but shows up anyway.

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Borders don't apply to John Bruce. His crusade is a world wide one.

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Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

You know, if they were handing out gold medals for failure, JT would be the Michael Phelps of attorneys.

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

A little algebra problem for you Jack

 

Jack Thompson + Is this a great "A" or what + B trivial action + time = Failure

 

Have you ever noticed that everytime you say that that afterwards whatever trival filing or letter you write always ends in failure.  Not often ends in failure.  Always.  Or are you pattern recognition skills that underdeveloped?

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

You mean with the authorities in charge of your disbarment, making sure that it goes smoothly and there are minimal interuptions.

But of course you are a liar and probably consider "working with authorities" to mean spamming the FBI and the Supreme Court with you inane ramblings.

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

Ugh, now do people see the inherent dangers in an organization such as the BBFC?

Re: Report: Sega Cooperating with BBFC to Avoid Manhunt 2-like

I call it artistic myself but fantasy violence will do... unlike the findings of the Daily Mail (Tripe)

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