South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music Taken Off Shelves

August 26, 2008 -

South Africa's Independent Online reports on yet another attempt to link media violence to the real deal.

The IO reports that Cape Town-based watchdog group the Family Policy Institute has petitioned South Africa's government to recall all music containing violent lyrics and all video games with violent content.

FPI spokesman Errol Naidoo made the request, expressing the group's concerns over potential negative influences on young people. The move comes in the wake of the samurai sword killing of a 16-year-old by a schoolmate who allegedly dressed himself like Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison (left).

Prefering not to wait for any type of inquiry, Naidoo requested the recall of the games and CDs "pending the outcome of the investigation". From the Independent Online:

Naidoo cited the case of two US teens who were convicted of murder in 2003 after stabbing a friend 20 times and slitting his throat after listening to Slipknot's song Disasterpiece.

He also cited the case of Bangkok teenager Polwat Chinno who had killed a taxi driver by punching and stabbing him after playing the computer game Grand Theft Auto. "Police believe he was acting out a scene in the violent video game," Naidoo said.

He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour, but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families".


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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

That agenda from Sotuh African watchdog group is based on lies and myths.  It is wrong to scapegoat video games or any other new media for criminal acts.  It is like scapegoating non-mainstream religions.  In the 1950s, rock-and-roll was scapegoated the same way video games are today.  Rap music is suffering the same scapegoat effect.  We must abolish scapegoating and regulation of video games now.  Censorship is not the answer to crime or violence or any other evil in society.  I do not condone legislation based on lies, forged statistics, or junk science.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Joey Jordison with a samurai sword!!!

I just found my halloween costume.  Thanks Satan!!!

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

The government is behind games like Grand Theft Auto, to influence kids to kill people.. its called population control people!

Wake up to the truth!

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Wow. Who knew the South Africans liked to tell people what to do?

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

How did you know?

Now shut up, you revolting troll.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

What are you talking about? I don't get the reference.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Might be a reference to the old days of Apartheid.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

shudup doos, get a better education

 

Head up his A$$

I agree! This man should ban everything that promotes violence!!

Ban the news, movies, wild life documentries, money, famin, land, possesions!

Hell lets not play around lets just ban everything in history that has ever caused someone to kill another human. It's not the humans fault. Hell the next person that looks at me should be banned!

Naidoo, naidon't publish anything ever again because your promoting violent outbursts from gamers. Ban him! Then when everything is banned. There shall be peace.

Errol Naidoo is a chop. He needs to get laid.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Everybody wants to point the finger at something else to blame when the problem is society as a whole. its not just the video games, music,parents,schools etc. All of these things whether we care to admit it or not affect us at some level. They are just smaller pieces of the bigger picture. As long as there are 2 people left in this world there will be violence.  The only way to insure there won't be would be to  lobotomize the world with medication. If they take away games then it will be music, If they take away that then it be for their shoes or their car or even because they just plain dont like the look of you. Bad stuff happens, People get hurt, its unfortunate but reality.  Thats why we have to live the best we can.

 

 

 

 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Well put.

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

NFL made me do it!!

Nobody ever bitches about sports, despite there having been so many sports related riots and outbursts...people getting trampled to death and whatnot...

 

-Entertainment isn't the reason the world sucks. It's the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: NFL made me do it!!

yeah but lots of people watch sports =p

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Again, a disturbed person kills an innocent.

Again, an intolerant asswipe blames questionable media.

Again, bans are requested from the asswipe and whatever friends agree with him/her.

Again, we must stand up and protect the right to enjoy any and all forms of entertainment at will without fear of prosecution.

...................Goddammit, this is getting real old, real quick. I may not have enough energy (or sanity, if I have any left from my teenage years) to go on if this crap continues, but I'll damn sure try. Don't blame me, though, if I throw my hands in the air and say, "Ahh, fuck it."

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I need to stop reading gamepolitics.com, everytime I read it I get so angry.

 

I hate this site.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Nooo, you hate the dumbasses GamePolitics report about, not the site.

It's okay; I hate them, too. Don't worry; if all this crap is supposed to happen, and the universe tends to unfold as it should, these dumbasses should get what's coming to them in the end........I hope....

i hope that will happen before I have a massive anyeurism blow in my head and die.

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

"He said there was no guarantee that removing violent music and games would prevent violent behaviour, but that it would "provide added peace of mind for families".
 

This statement alone should show what kind of person this douche bag is. He's not interested in reducing violent crime, what he's interested in is promoting his own moral agenda and giving people a false sense of hope. People like this are scumbags nothing more. Hope u burn in hell u out of touch piece of shit.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Gosh its so simple, video games are obviously the biggest problem in South Africa, obviously once you get all the shit out its so obvious South Africa is gonna be all happy and nice!

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Yeah, lets blame this whole thing on music and video games. Lets blame it on slipknot and the drummer dude lets worry that this dude got his hands on a slipknot album, but lets not worry how this kids got his hands on a FREAKIN' SAMURAI SWORD. IN THE 21st CENTURY! WTF!!!??

I know samurai swords still exist-duh, but where did he get it from, and why did no one catch him with it beforehand.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Maybe he got a replica. They aren´t too expensive, but they don´t have any edge to cut somebody. I think that kid used a machete and the media is just lying about the facts. Next time they will say a kid burned another one with a Hadoken.

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Meh if he didn't have a samuria sword he would've just used a steak knife or something. The samurai sword didn't place him under a hypnotic spell and neither did slipknot. He himself stabbed those people. Let's worry about why he did it whilst realizing slipknot is a scapegoat.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

What we need is to find and promote the next big thing.

Who bitches about comics as a threat these days and what reaction do they get when they do? If we were to get everyone else hysterical about the next biggest threat to "the children" then they might shut the fuck up (about games/metal) and leave us and our hobby in peace.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

What would that next thing be? Anime or manga (yes I know those aren't exactly new but neither are video games)?

We can't just try to get politicians to shift the blame, that doesn't solve anything, all it does is leaves us free to bicker amongst ourselves while other people get the shaft. We should try to get it through their heads that pop culture is not the cause or a contributing factor to problems in society.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I believe anime and manga have already been shit on as something that destroys youth.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Sure, Provide peace and mind for families but really hurt allot of really innocent people and cause more suffering for those who are generally good fans of music and videogames... I don't think that removing such things from stores would ever help families who have had loved ones murdered. I smell another Government who is just chasing for votes...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

It's not about votes. The SA government is too busy dealing with poverty, crime, corruption and a plethora of other problems to worry about silly things such as music and games...

On top of that, the current ruling party gets voted into power no matter what happens. They could ask their loyal sheep to chop off their left toes and salt the wound, and they'd still get into power.

Unfortunately, that's what happens when the majority of a country is uneducated or are "freedom fighters".

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

They want to ban music because some kid blamed it for his actions? What is it 1985 over there? Next they'll ban rock and roll and hip hop.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I vote we ban reporting on violent crimes.

Then naive lobby groups would believe they actually live in the perfect utopia they want!

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

This guy shouldn't be allowed to speak.

 

Here's why. His explicit descriptions of violent crimes may promote copycat behaviours in children in South Africa, just as over-publicization of the colombine killings caused hundreds of confirmed copycat killings world-wide.

 

If we're to believe his arguement that media that could induce violence ought to be banned, then his own voice ought to be banned first.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

So, okay.  Where were death metal and violent video games during Apartheid?

I'm sorry, but I'm curious.  It's just that South Africa kinda has a history of violence.  I suppose that the white upper class need a new bogeyman now that blacks are moving up in their society.  :|

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Please, get your facts straight. As a part of that "white" upper class you're talking about I'd like to point out that the "black" society is just as much behind this. Hell, some of them wish to ban women from wearing short skirts and they rape them to get their point across.

Mind you, it's only the minority that support these aggressive actions and that's from BOTH colours. God, it's so lame that many of you people still think in black and white...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

FUCKING HELL; NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

I had no idea we had anything like the "Faggot Policy Institute" over here!

And to top it off, our government is run by a bunch of morons! *Sobs*

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Welcome to GamePolitics, Lujan - but please remember that terms like "Faggot" are considered juvenile and offensive to many international readers :)

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Oh, and Dennis, I'm not sure what you're linking to but that's not the Independant Online.

This is: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20080826113...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Yeah I think the guy is joking you around, I doubt anyone aside from Jack himself could be that deranged... well there is the cult of Lyndon LaRouche, but they are too busy trying to cover up his death so none of us hear about it...

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Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Oh, so according to you a PS2 game teaches you how to aim, reload, fire? Without the gun firmly in you hands?

 

If its a 'Death machine/Murder Simulator' Then why not have I killed anybody yet? Why hasn't anyone here at GP killed anyone?

 

And about your comment with the gunshop...That would have to be a really stupid owner.

 

Get lost, troll

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

"Yay, the master is back in his place." Seriously, it was pure scum like 2 teenagers being told by hardcore/satanic metal band like slipknot to cause murder in the youth of a striving nation, let alone the entertainment media here is just as terrible with the ones in europe, and i never forget that case with the gruesome slaying involving a weapon, This is a reminder of why we need to get these "death machines" and "murder simulators" out of the reach of our children, This is a load of tar to see a youth buying slipknot when instead he should have been finding a cure for AIDS,solving the crisis of the country's most exotic animals, its just like as if the kid got away with buying a AK47 from a gun shop after the owner tricked into candy and gave him a training manual such as a PS2 game. 

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Please do not feed the Forum Troll....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Why are you guys responding seriously to him? It's blatently obvious this guy's a random troll.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

You try too hard troll, and it shows.  The best trolling is more subtle.  You on the other hand seem to be throwing a handful of Thompson drivel randomy and seeing what sticks.

Furthermore a violent game is no more a murder simulator than a dvd player is.  A controller or keyboard is so far removed from anything that would give any real world training you get no more benefit from it than hitting the play button on your dvd player remote.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

If the ban happens violent crime won't magically go away.

 

Also, I've bene playign video games since Super Mario Brothers, by you and moron man's logic I should have a body count rivaling the Nazi regime. Explain why I don't.

Shut your crap-dribbling mouth, death cultist.

oh, please. EVERY single claim about video games being "child-corrupting murder simulators" has been nothing but a mindless, baseless LIE flaunted by idiots like your false god Thompson, people who need a scapegoat to try and hide their obvious mass murder/child abuse fetish. of course you self-claimed "moral crusaders" will never confess to this - you barely have enough brains between you to keep your black hearts going, there's no way you retards can bring yourselves to admit that dancing on people's graves and claiming "them thar video games killed 'em!" is the exact opposite of right or moral.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I'm a south african based in Cape Town, and i am genuinely concerned about this call for a ban. People here are so incredibely ignorant/niave towards the (ridiculously false) violent media/real violence debate that i actually thing a call for a ban like this would pass quite easily.

Our politicians (the mostly corrupt morons that they are) are always willing to blame our record-setting crime rates on anything that keeps the spotlight off our real problems (poverty, unemployment, racism, aids etc etc). As far as i can remember, this is the first offical call for a ban on violent media. Considering my country's unbelievabley high (and extrememly brutal) crime rate, and the fact that less than 2 percent of the population can afford luxuries like gaming consoles and music (seriously, i'm probably being generous when i say 2 percent, it must be much less),  i think we can all agree that banning violent media what do jack to prevent anything. As everyone with half a braincell can tell, there was a lot more going on in the samurai case than meets the eye, and blaming media is almost an insult to the families affected.

Damn i hate this country. Can't wait to move. And Cape Town is supposed to be one of the more 'developed' parts of the country. Our infastructure is relatively 1st-world for the area. It's a pity we have next to ZERO awareness regarding these 'morons-wrongfully-blaming-violent-media-for-complex-issues' stuff. Crazy wannabe politicians like Mr. Naidoo have a lot more sway here than his counterparts in 1st world countries.

I swear, if violent media is banned, i will be on the next flight outta here

 

(alhtough looking on the bright side, even if it is banned, the government will completely stuff up trying to enforce it, and it'll proably never happen).

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

Flowerbed said, "I swear, if violent media is banned, i will be on the next flight outta here"

Ditto; it was really one of the few things I loved about good ol' SA.

I just sent the FPI a message. I doubt it'll work but it was worth a shot...

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

It's times like this that I must say that evolution is offensive, but not to humans.  No, evolution is offensive to monkeys.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

odd coming from a place where ownership of flamethrowers is unrestricted.

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岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

I'm calling bullshit - please provide your source for this utter pish.

Re: South African Watchdog Group Wants Violent Games & Music

you can legally put flame throwers on your car there as a anti teft device. im serious.

 
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