Veterans Group Drops Army Game Protest After Promise of Age Restrictions

The Defense Deparment’s Virtual Army Experience game continues to make waves as it tours air shows and summer festivals.

In the latest flap, the Ohio chapter of Veterans for Peace agreed to drop its planned protest after Army officials agreed not to admit players under 17 to the interactive game, which depict a firefight between U.S. soldiers and virtual insurgents. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports:

The Army recruiting video game originally targeted teens as young as 13 to use simulated machine guns to kill virtual enemies in a projected Middle East war setting. Show-goers sit in a replica of a Humvee, virtually speed through desert terrain and shoot fake machine guns at life-size pictures of people projected on a wraparound screen.

The Army utilizes the simulator as a recruitment tool.

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  1. SJ Zero ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I’m neither left-wing nor liberal. I’m a true right-wing conservative, in the dictionary sense of the words.

    You, on the other hand, are part of the far-left whackjobs who think Iraq is somehow justified.

    You’re one of the people who says "9/11 changed everything" and created a catchphrase so perfect that Stalin himself would approve. You’re part of the far-left whackjobs who think that the United Nations is some world government that lets us bypass the constitution and go to war without a declaration.

    Sure, Iraq didn’t attack us. Sure, they had no means to attack us. Sure, they had no plans to attack us. But going in there and turning a country on the brink into a war zone is totally moral! It’s totally ok that twenty times the civilian non-combattants have died in this war than died on 9/11! Americans are worth more than Iraqis!

    I’m the only non-PC one here. The rest of these people are going to kiss your ass because "support the troops" has turned into an infallable call for political correctness. You know what? I’m NOT politically correct. I’m politically incorrect, and I’m saying that as long as you’re over there, you’re a bloody murderer. Every single civilian that dies in Iraq is a civilian that didn’t have to die, becuase Iraq was a totally unjustified war.They hadn’t attacked us. They didn’t have the means to attack us. They didn’t have plans to attack us. We just murdered 50,000 people.

    You didn’t have a choice as to whether to go, but you sure as hell had a choice as to whether to enlist.

    As for your wonderful after-the-fact "strategy", yeah, I hope you feel really good about yourself, dragging terrorists into a previously secure reigon. I bet you’d feel really patriotic and not like capping some Chinese folks if China decided to make your home a battleground for terrorists. I’m sure you’ll agree with them that it’s better to fight terrorists in New York than Beijing.

    As for what Japan did, you seem to forget why the Japanese were being so Ruthless. Admiral Perry, of the American Navy, brought an armada of battleships into Tokyo bay and forced Japan to open their borders at gunpoint. The next century was Japan tirelessly arming so they wouldn’t be attacked again. Their conquest of surrounding lands was called the "thin line of advantage", and was supposed to protect the Japanese mainland from attack. Then the US got scared and started to try to stop the conquest, and they got attacked for their effort. You should learn some history.


  2. Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I could give a crap less for protecting the government, it is all about the civilians.  They are who matter most, they make the country what it is, and they are worth fighting for.

  3. Deep Thorn ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So video games are so bad that they cause people to commit murder, but are safe enough to have military simulators to recruit people for war…   Either the government is wrong for using games to recruit, or the government is wrong for wasting time and tax money attacking the video game industry…

    This is how our government is though, its only good as long as it benefits the government or politician’s wallets…

  4. -Jes- ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You guys DO take in consideration, that Japan was already conducting terms of surrender when the bombs were dropped? Also, as much as Hiroshima had military value, it was still a MAJOR civilian hub.

    Hell, even today there’s a good quarter of a million japanese citizens who suffer from extensive radiation exposure.

  5. PHOENIXZERO says:

    I brought up some of what Japan did in my edited post but it included a bit of uhhh "not so nice" things and decided to just edit it since there was no point in egging the idiot on. Unfortunately everyone who bitches about the two A-Bombs being dropped either want to ignore what Japan was doing around to the countries in and around Asia on the island nations such as the Philippines or are just completely ignorant about it and think the biggest thing they did was bomb Pearl Harbor and have absolutely how screwed up and sick the soldiers and people in command were, I could of soldiers that were still alive proudly talked it in an interview I saw awhile back with no remorse for what they did, you never hear a US soldier being proud of killing or raping innocent civilians but that was the way of Japan with soldiers and it didn’t stop with killing the men but went to raping the women and children, many times while their husbands helplessly watched or forced the boys to have sex with their mothers or sisters for the Japanese soldiers entertainment before they killed the males and took the women/girls to be sex slaves, then there’s the whole cannibalism thing that occurred and that still only scratches the surface of just how f’d up the Japanese were. There’s also the Japanese POW camps which made the German POW camps seem like a trip to Disney Land in comparison.

    Even Hitler was afraid of the Japanese and what they were capable of. The guy who was ordering the extermination of not just Jews but blacks, homosexuals and other "minorities" thought they were extreme, it was a rather uneasy alliance. The Japanese murdered just as many innocent people during that time than Germany, maybe more and I can’t remember exactly right now. There’s a very good reason why Japan was forced to give up their military back then as part of the terms of surrender and the measures taken and wasn’t even all about Japan, it was also about sending a message to Stalin and the USSR who wanted to go further into Asia, which of course they still did but they didn’t go nearly as far as they would have.

    It’s not about saying that the US is innocent but Japan, Germany, Russia and the others are certainly not innocent either.

  6. E4-USMC says:

    To the loser named SJZero, I am a U.S. Marine typing this from Iraq. You are the typical brainwashed leftist that probably no one would miss if you died. Contrary to the trash you believe in, I joined because I believe even with the sad state America is in, it is worth fighting for. Nobody tells me how to think, and I am not a right-winger, neither a liberal moron like you. I consider myself to be a non-PC libertarian with views that conservatives would like. I’m not the religious, Rush Limbaugh listening type either. Are there idiots in the military, yes, yet I’ve met way more intelligent, duty-minded individuals I would risk my life for. Even I don’t agree with the war, yet what’s done is done and we should finish what we started. In my opinion, the invasion was excellent, the occupation badly mismanaged, and like it or not, our presence draws terrorists in from all over the Middle East. I’d rather we fight them here than in the streets of NY.

    Also, I am Chinese and if the millions of my grandparents’ generation that were slaughtered by the Imperial Japanese were still alive, they’d agree with the A-bombs. The Rape Of Nanking, Pearl Harbor, The Bataan Death March, the list goes on and on…

    Study some more with an unbiased view before you judge an institution you don’t understand, or spout your narrow-minded views on history, otherwise go cry and whine about how evil "Bush and the war and the army is" in your own corner. I should be focused doing my job out here, not with so-called "Americans" that don’t deserve the freedoms that they take advantage of every day.


    Proud Cpl. in the USMC

  7. kurisu7885 (can't log in) says:

    If you, you know ,read the article[I know, difficult concept to grasp] then these veterans have decided to calm down about this.


    Go back to grade school. You’d certainly fit in.

  8. Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This has nothing to do with the "gaming world".  This is a military simulator.  I do wish you would learn the difference.

  9. DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It was 60 Minutes, ‘Jack.’ If you were this ‘Jack,’ you would have known that. And you would have plugged your book, and said you won every case you were in. Something along that line.

  10. BmK ( User Karma: 1 ) says:

    This is just rediculous. The average normal 13 year old isn’t going to join the army solely because he played a video game. Give teenagers some credit people, they’re not all drones who can’t think for themselves and have no mind of their own. Well, at least most of them aren’t, but the way society treats them what with sheilding their eyes and ears from everything out there and telling them and making it so they’re not responsibile for their own actions, they eventually will be.

  11. Jttttttttttttttttttttttt says:

    I was on ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings about this idiot Army game three years ago.  Glad to see some others are catching up with my curve.  I’m right yet again, and the gaming world is wrong yet again.

    Hooah!  Jack Thompson


  12. Krayt'heili ( User Karma: 0 ) says:


    I love how the makers of the stimnulation point out that you’ll actually DIE in real combat.


    Oh…. they don’t?

    Well, I understand why Vertans don’t want it- FALSE ADVERTISMENT.


  13. TBoneTony ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    a bit contradicting how in their younger years, veterains would have experienced war in real life and that was far more horrible than in any videogame.

  14. SJ Zero says:

    I find this funny. How could this possibly be a good recruitment tool?


    "If you die in the game, you would’ve died in real life!"

  15. Father Time says:

    I’m sure there are people who worry about that but we don’t hear about them because this is gamepolitics not a general news website.

  16. Generic Enemy Number 12 says:

    People are worried over an army video game and not the recruiters that go to high schools every day?


  17. Anonymous says:

    Veterans Groups Drops Army Game Protest After Vague Assurances About A Sliver Of The Game’s Exposure

  18. SJ Zero says:

    My grandfather fought in the war, and was a decorated war hero. What he learned was that it’s a waste of your life.


    He fought for freedom, just to see his rights stripped away one by one.

    My grandfather was a good man, but he was lied to, and saw many of his friends die on the battlefield in what turned out to be a phyrric victory for a freedom he could never hold.


    It was sensible not to know that in WWII. It’s not sensible to not know that in 2008.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Why would that happen? It’s the US that has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on the planet.


    God you guys are arrogant.

  20. SJ Zero says:

    Why exactly SHOULDN’T I dismiss it? The fact that the least free nation in the world put more effort and sacrificed more to win the war than the free nations pretty much eradicates the whole "fighting for freedom" thing. Hell, the Germans had a better reason to think they were fighting for freedom than anyone else, since there was a chance they’d be ruled by the Soviets(And they were, and it was terrible), a truly an universally despotic regime!

    Actually, if you’d done your research, you’d know that people pretty much knew what was going on. NBC had a general on not long after pearl harbour, and he said basically that the reason they attacked pearl harbour was to buy time for an attack on Saipan, a country that wasn’t US-held at the time.


  21. PHOENIXZERO says:

    EDIT: I think I’ll just remove to keep what little peace there is left here. There’s no point in even trying to argue with people like this, not like it’ll change their minds, even if I do get to have a little "fun" in the name calling.

  22. Grombar says:

    I’m curious, SJZero (and the Anonymous guy above): How many soldiers do you know? I’ll say the ones I know are standup guys; brave, tough, hardworking family men. My father and grandfather both served in the Air Force, my great-grandfather drove an ambulance in World War I, and they’re all good people. As are the people I know today who’ve come back from Iraq, and are willing and able to go back again, for their comrades in arms and for a mission they believe in.

    Not everyone believes in the mission they’re on now. Honestly, I really don’t myself. But there’s a saying among military families: "There’s politics, and then there’re soldiers."

    To borrow an analogy from Bill Whittle, it can be hard to tell the wolves from the sheep dogs. And some sheep dogs become so fanatical about catching the wolves that they become wolves themselves. But, like it or not, there are real bad guys out there. People who do things you and I can’t imagine, and do it for fun. We either let them do what they please or we fight them, and no one’s better equipped to fight them than our men and women in uniform are.

  23. SJ Zero says:

    Yes, the safe little Americans always dehumanize their opponents. The Nazis, the Japanese, they were all less than human. Then the Soviets.


    It’s because you can sit across the ocean and all this killing is just a game to you. I see no problem with dropping atom bombs in Civilization, either. I mean, it’s just a game. It’s not like the people we’re mass-murdering are humans.

  24. SJ Zero says:

    Yeah, about that.

    If you don’t kill innocent people, you’re not fighting a war. That’s the nature of the beast, as has been mentioned before.

    For example, when you blow up a civilian resturaunt because Saddam might’ve been in there (He wasn’t), all thsoe dead people are now dead. If you say you’re not going to blow up that resturaunt, then you’re gonna get court martialed and you’ll get hung until dead. If Saddam wasn’t in there (he wasn’t), then guess what you’ve got? You’ve just blown up dozens of innocent people who had no quarrel with you, and who had no means to defend themselves. That’s murder, my friend.

    And then we brought on the insurgents. "Bring ’em on".

  25. SJ Zero says:

    I think you’d see massive domestic violence and crime as the planet’s biggest welfare system dissolved and millions of people with no marketable skills are forced into the job market. Many towns would collapse as their major support mechansim in 60 countries around the world would be gone. Several major industries in the USA would collapse.

    The US, oddly, wouldn’t be less safe from terrorists or rogue nations, except the white kind trying to blow stuff up to convince people to give them their old jobs back.

  26. SJ Zero says:

    It’s a matter of personal responsibility.

    By joining the army, you know you’re going to have to kill people. You know you won’t neccessarily agree with the people you have to kill. If you’re really smart, you’ll realise that the trend over the past century shows you’ll likely be killing people who don’t have the means or the plans to attack America. In other words, you’ll be committing murder.

    When I left college, Halliburton wanted to hire me right out of school. I hadn’t even written my final exams, and they were begging me to work for them. I knew full well the role Halliburton played in Iraq. I knew full well the consequences of joining their company. I turned down their offer, and while I make a lot less money than I would have if I’d taken them up on their offer, this way I can sleep at night.

    I wouldn’t mind a draft. It’s much more difficult to cavalierly throw troops into a country that’s done nothing to us and never planned to if people’s kids are actually going to be sent there to die and it’s not just the "soldier demographics".

  27. Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I am not SJ Zero but I can still answer that question.  The answer: World War 3 followed by a dash of the end of the world.

  28. tallimar says:

    Mr. SJ Zero, i implore you to simply answer me this one question;  what do you think would happen if the United States of America completely dissolved it’s entire military, not one single soldier left in service? 

  29. PHOENIXZERO says:

    Ah yes, poor poor innocent Japan…. It’s the US’s fault! Especially the actions Japan took that made them actually worse than Nazi Germany. Oh and there was plenty of reason as to why the A-Bomb was dropped.

  30. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    First of all, I doubt many soldiers signed up specifically hoping to kill civilians.


    Secondly, nobody forces them to kill innocent people. If they do, that’s on them as individuals.


    Third, Iraq is not made up of nothing but innocent civilians. There are actual terrorists there, and there have been for quite a while. Those are the people the soldiers fighting and killing.


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  31. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    Yes, individually they are responsible for their own actions. This person however, has chosen to label every United States Soldier as a murderous sociopath who kills innocent people.


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  32. Anonymous says:

    Soldiers are responsible for their actions, just because they let someone else make the decisions for them doesn’t mean that they aren’t the ones doing it.

  33. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    Once again you blame soldiers for something that was decided by their superiors and the Government…


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  34. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    The military doesn’t get to choose where it gets deployed, or under what circumstances. The government dicides that.

    Refusing to join won’t change the way the miltary gets misused, as the government will simply draft them.


    As for people joining the army just for the killing, that is crap. Nowadays it’s kinda true, but there have been many cases of people enlisting to fight FOR something. How many Jews enlisted to fight the Nazis and protect their people? Or do you honestly believe they were just fucking around?


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  35. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    Just because the Soviet soldiers did more in WWII against the Nazi’s than U.S. soldiers did, that does not dismiss what we did or why we did it. I’d also like to point out that there were many Jewish soldiers fighting with us in WWII. Do you honestly think they joined just to kill shit? Do you honestly think they risked being sent to concentration camps for a petty reason like that? Or is it more likely that they did it to secure the fate of their race and faith?


    As for the Pacific side of the battle, that was a pretty wicked fuck up. But you must recognize the fact that people believed their goverments back then. Hell, they (the government) could have told them that the Japanese were kidnapping Americans and selling them into prostitution, and they wouldn’t have had a way to find out they were lying. And they did lie. The soldiers who went into the Pacific thought they were doing the right thing, and there were very few ways for them to find out exactly how everything ended up the way it did *EDIT:I forgot to add that in the end it doesn’t matter how things went down with Japan, because in the end they were still on the same side of things as the Nazis*. According to you, they were essentially lied to. As for thanking Stalin, he can suck my balls (he murdered his own countrymen for fuck sake). I will however extend my thanks to the citizens and soldiers of the Soviet Union.


    And now, to the war in Iraq. Yes, I agree with you…to a point. However, Saddam Hussein and his family were mistreating their own people(look up what they did to their soccer team, for example). Their deaths were bennificial to the people of Iraq. It’s all the shit after that was truly wrong. Everyone who joined prior to the capure and execution of Saddam are, as far as I’m concerned, noble (exept of course for the war criminals and those sorts). Thing is, people can get called back in. And no, Canada doesn’t take deserters anymore.

    On a final note, yes, some of the people who have joined the United States Military have done so out of ignorance, but since you have spoken frequently about Heaven and Hell, I must ask, what do you believe regarding forgiveness?


    -Entertainment isn’t the reason the world sucks. It’s the reason we know the world sucks. For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007)Grand Theft Childhood, by Harvard researchers Larry Kutner&Cheryl Olson

  36. Anonymous says:

    Yeah, Join the army! We’ve got the equipment to make Katrina no problem at all, but we’ve got it in Iraq for no good reason!

    Join the army! We’re supposed to be defending the borders, but instead we’re in Iraq, so we’re just going to build a wall around mexico instead.

    Join the army! We’re supposed to be protecting against enemies from other countries attacking us, but we’re off in Iraq, so we’re just going to let those planes hit the world trade center and pentagon.


    The army is a BAD THING. If they bothered definding the country, that would be one thing, but the only thing it’s effective at is killing people who are innocent in that they don’t have any ability to harm us. If we kept our CIA out of the middle east, they probably wouldn’t have a REASON to harm us either.

    And this isn’t a new development. People who join the army do so to kill. They’re just murderers for hire. They don’t have any choice or say in who they kill, they’re paid just to kill.

    Monsters. Their existence is an affront to God. Enjoy your patriotism in hell.

  37. SJ Zero says:

    When I set off that nuclear device for no reason, of COURSE civilians were killed. It’s just the nature of the beast.


    I mean, sure it was unjustified. I guess that would make all those people dying murder. But I’m a good guy, so it’s not! Right?

  38. SS says:

    stop being a troll.

    Joining the army is the only option for many kids.  Some join it in good intentions and patriotism.

    The army isn’t a bad thing, however it can be misused(done frequently) for agression. 

    Go after the losers who created this war.

  39. Anonymous says:

    America’s biggest role in WWII was in an unrelated war in the Pacific. We sent battleships to force Japan to open their borders, and Japan responded by modernising and building an empire of their own. When the empire started to scare us, we used our navy to pursuade them to stop, and that’s when they attacked pearl harbour, hoping not to invade the US, but to stop our involvement in the pacific.

    You want to know a truth that’s going to break your heart? The country that really made sacrifices in the fight against Hitler is one you’re probably familiar with. It’s the country that captured Berlin, the country that most historians say changed history when it was attacked by Germany. Soviet Russia. Your freedom depends on Soviet Russia. They’re the ones who put their nose to the grindstone, the ones who made the biggest sacrifices against Hitler by far. Historians all agree that Hitler’s mistake, the only reason we won the war, was fighting the Russians, breaking that alliance, and spliting his unbeatable army into two fronts.

    How ironic that today we’re fighting the fallout of proxy wars we fought with the Soviets in the middle east? 


    Maybe you should thank Comrade Stalin for his good work in World War II instead? I’ll tell you what. I’ll start respecting the hired murderers in the army, and you start showing Comrade Stalin his due, and we’ll meet in the middle. Good?

  40. Father Time says:

    "murders tens of thousands of innocent civilians in a war that had nothing to do with 9/11"

    I think there have only been an handful of wars in human history where civilians weren’t killed. In any case civilians die in wars it’s the nature of the beast.

  41. Anonymous says:

    All of these "idiots" in the past have died for your right to speak freely.  Think how we live now is worse than a post-WWII Nazi america?  Show a little respect for the decent soldiers of this country.  I’ll admit that there are bad people in this world.  Some even grow up to be president!  The great majority of soldiers are not murderers, and the ones who help commit war crimes are the exception to the rule.  Ease up a little bit.  You do a lot of talking about Heaven and Hell.  There was fighting in the bible.  Get over it.

  42. SJ Zero says:

    So which part being untruth? That Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? That 50,000 innocent civilians are now dead? <– Fearless leader admits Bush had nothing to do with 9/11 <– Pentagon EMPHATICALLY arguing that there are ONLY 50,000 innocent civilians dead


    It IS downright disrespectful.


    Because I don’t have respect for people who will kill, without ever being allowed to ask why or choose who they do or do not kill, just to make a few bucks. I have no respect for people who will participate in murderous wars of aggression against countries that haven’t attacked us, just so they have something good to put on their resume.


    It’s not like they were told they were going to eat cotton candy every day for a living, it’s their JOB to kill people, and their JOB not to have a choice in the matter. They APPLIED for that job, knowing that. It’s not a game here. You can’t just go off and sign up to kill people, then act all appalled that they actually ask you to do it.

    Go to hell a patriotic murderer, or go to heaven a beggar. I’d prefer the latter.


  43. DraginHikari says:

    That’s downright disrespectful.   Even if any of that is true it is not because of those that have given up their lives.   If you don’t like the actions of the government that’s fine.   But labeling soldiers as idiots is a little much.

  44. SJ Zero says:

    Anyone who joins the army is an idiot.


    Playing an expendable pawn in a morality laundering scheme where you’re part of a force that murders tens of thousands of innocent civilians in a war that had nothing to do with 9/11, simply as part of a game some nepotistic old loons who have been trying to get control of certain mining rights for generations is so unbelievably foolish, you couldn’t be anything but an idiot to sign up.


    I guess at least you’ll go directly to hell a patriot, rather than going to heaven a human.

  45. Unruly ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I wouldn’t say that everyone that joins the army is an idiot. A lot of people join the army because its a great way to get a start on your adult life and there’s a sense of pride that comes with it. You get decent benefits in terms of healthcare and stuff like that, as well as making a decent wage. Sure, you sign your life away for a minimum of 4 years, but when its over a lot of people get out better off than they were before. That, and military service tends to look good on a resume as well. It shows that you have at least some discipline and know what hard work really is, and a lot of employers value those qualities.

    Calling everyone that joins the army an idiot is extremely disrespectful. Especially to the people who have friends and family that are in service or have been killed in action.

  46. Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Okay, there you go.  That actually does look like a viable combat simulator.  Unlike, you know, eating cheez doodles while grasping a 360 controller with one hand.

  47. King of Fiji ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    So essentially this was all a ploy to get the Veteran Groups in the public eye because if the idiots are going to join the army because of a video game and or simulation theyu are going to join it regardless of being younger than 17 or older than 17.


    Same idiot joining the army for a stupid reason thinking its all video games like in real life but now the idiot is older.



  48. infect999 says:

    I gave the VAE a go earlier this summer at Six Flags…it isn’t that bad. The violence isn’t graphic, nor do the enemies look realistic (the virtual part is running on the same engine as the PC game…which came out in 2002), and it’s not going to make any sane 13-year-old want to join the army. A 17+ age restriction is overkill.

  49. ZippyDSMlee says:

    My gandmaw WAS like that 10-20 years ago while not that…insane..she did try to "keep up appearances". thankfully  shes just stubborn now adays…her and her 9X year old sis, both of them can be a hand full ><.

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  50. ZippyDSMlee says:

    age heckswere in silly heads here *hands you a helmet and wodden gun* go paly in the yard or chase skirts like normal vets!

    (god I been watching to much Keeping Up Appearances…..)


    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  51. Anonymous Ninja says:

    Fat chance!  EVen if they do, what won’t stop underage players from trying to sneak in or stop the army from encouraging it?

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