Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

September 5, 2008 -

Police in Watertown, Wisconsin believe that an attempt to imitate Halo may have played a role in the death of an 11-year-old boy from an accidental gunshot.

As reported by the Watertown Daily Times, Joshua Nimm apparently took the day off from school to do some gaming:

[Police] said it appeared... that after playing a combat video game called “Halo,” Nimm took the gun and tried to recreate some of the things that had occurred in the game. With an automatic rifle, [Sgt.] Lee said there can sometimes be confusion over whether it contains a magazine or not, and this confusion likely led to Nimm's death.

 

“He took the magazine out and forgot to eject a round that was in the chamber. He probably thought the gun was unloaded,” Lee said.

 


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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Why was a little kid left alone with a firearm? A loaded one, no less?

You'd think the weapon should be safely locked away, or at least hidden better, so that people that don't know how to handle it properly wouldn't use it. We would certainly have fewer accidents if highly lethal weapons weren't used as toys.

I have to point my finger at the parents on this one: they get him a rifle, leave it where he could get at it, fail to make sure the rifle wasn't loaded (as if they could be sure an 11-year-old would check, himself), and fail to teach him (or fail to make the kid remember - same effect, really), among other things, that the rifle wasn't a toy. And, of course, they paid for all that.

Aside from the little boy not being smart enough to avoid playing with a weapon, it was unfortunate what happened. He had to be really unlucky, managing to put the only round in the rifle into his own head. Must have ricocheted off of something - I can't see how you would otherwise accidentally shoot yourself in the head, especially with a long weapon as that rifle must have been.

Assuming, of course, that he did, indeed, shoot himself in the head. Though I guess it's safe to assume that.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Those of you who are blaming guns for this are really no better then the people who blame video games. If the parents hadn't left the rifle in the open or better yet TAUGHT THEIR CHILD PROPER GUN SAFETY, this would have not happened. What's so outrageous is we teach our kids not to play with knives or talk to strangers yet we don't teach them proper respect and handling for firearms. Maybe if we did that, we wouldn't have so many tragedies like this.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Teaching children gun saftey is important.  But that doesn't negate the fact that the gun should not have been left out and loaded.  That is just common sense.

But do try not to set up the strawman of "You are no better than the people who blame video games".  A video game cannot hurt people if misued (well I suppose if you went through the trouble of snapping the disc the shards might be hazardous).  But a gun can.  Yes it all still comes down to personal responsibility, but don't forget that a gun is still a WEAPON.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

He used an Assault Rifle? Learn to use a BR you AR noob. I wish i knew that kids gamertag. i would pwn his ass

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Oh and Jack you trying to talk to the sheriff's department is another attempt to get your ass on tv and spew crap... please refrain from even TRYING

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I'm already working with the Sheriff's Department.  This should get interesting really quickly.  Jack Thompson

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Jack, go to the Nuked Cat Thread and find the posts of one "SounDemon" b/c we can only think of his words as a response to you.

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Well, you already stated by actions that you endorse child abuse, so why not work ot have gun safety classes remove.d Hell, go the extra mile and have after school activites banned, since yo useem to love it that these incidences keep occuring. less for kids to do should be a good thing i nyour book.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

"Things should get interesting really quickly"

That's what you said in the T2 case, and your disbarment trial, and your disciplinary hearing, and that Janet Reno case years ago, and after the VT shootings, and.......

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Working to what end? The kid already had access to the gun. The parents knew he had access to the gun. They taught him how to use it. They encouraged him to learn how to use it properly and safely. They trusted him with it. Unfortunately his child instincts took over one day and he broke the first rule of gun safety: He treated it like a toy. He unloaded it, tried to make it safe to play with, but sadly failed to do so.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

No, you're not, Jack.  You're not doing anything with anybody.  You're just not.  Admit it.

Also, I should think you'd be happy an alleged gamer died.  That's what you really want, right?

Besides sexual abuse for everyone, of course.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

You know I'm thinking if Jack was there before the accident he would have said something to the efect of: "Oh my god!  A child shouldn't be left alone with this dangerous device!"  Then would have taken the child's game system and left the kid to play with the gun.

 

Get some perspective Jack.  The games were a triviality compared to dangerous weapons being left laying about.  Just as any games played by Cody Posey were a triviality compared to his sexual abuse.

 

Fool.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Sending him 2,000 annoying e-mails by day is not the same than "working together", you dumbass.

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

hey retard. ( to jack ) guess what this was an accident! The kid didnt pick up a gun and pourpously shoot the other in the head. He thought he had all the bullets out and made a mistake. Thats all it is, an accident. Nobody should or will be punished, ( maybe the dad for letting his kid have access ) but the games are in NO way responsible.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Is this the same way you "worked" with Seattle PD to take down Gabe and Tyco?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Just like you've 'worked' with the FBI, Secret Service, and Obama to do the same thing?

Get your head out of your delusions of granduer and into reality for once. Then you might realize your son isn't 15 anymore.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

More like HARASSING the sheriff's department... thought I do a repost there.

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I would think that teaching him to shoot a gun would also mean learning how to eject rounds, but i guess that doesnt matter at all now, does it?

And why would you let a 11 year old OWN A GUN!?!?!? let alone teaching him to shoot one! If you ask me, you either lock it up or something, leave it and tell them not to mess with it, or at the very least, teach them when there 16  or something and not completely stupid...

and then theres the blameing of halo. again, when in halo do you shoot yourself? and of course, WHY WOULD YOU RE-ENACT ANYTHING IN A VIDEO GAME?!?! thats like putting a bomb on your sister so it could blow up, she'd be covered in ashes, and we could all laugh at it, just like in the cartoons. but no. that doesnt happen. kids should understand that any form of weapon can hurt/kill. and even then, kids shouldnt even be near weapons, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE NOT EVEN IN THERE TEENS!!!

that is all...

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

idiots.

The article states "automatic Rifle", and states that the 11-year old owns it himself.  His parents keep the magazines and ammo, he keeps the gun.

You don't think a a 11 year old with an automatic rifle would have an interest in games that portray people with guns?  Oh yeah, must be the video game. 

Straight parent negligence..  They allowed an 11 year old to own an automatic rifle. Assuming that he couldn't possibly acquire ammunition for it.

The parents also allowed access to a Mature rated video game.

That's like saying, "Here's a big gun, and here's how you play around with them,"

instead of,

"Daddy has a big gun locked away that's for you to use on special occassions under his supervision.  Guns kill people who play with them, they aren't toys.  Since there's nothing else you can do with the unloaded gun except play games with it, you will not have full access to it until you are 18, but it's yours. Daddy will show you how to clean it." 

Then put on a trigger-lock to emphasis the point before placing the gun into a locked case in-front of the child.  The ammunition goes into another locked container of some sort.  3 keys between the life and death of your child is NOT too much hassle if you are a respectable parent.

Whenever the gun comes out, the child must be taught that the first thing to do is sight into the chamber to ensure there's no bullet in position, and how important it is to assume (even after checking) that the gun is always loaded. A gun is never to be pointed at anything that you do not want to actually shoot, or potentially kill, it's not a game, it's a life saving rule that you always need to keep in mind.  This includes pointing it at friends as a joke, pointing it at yourself, or even being unaware of where it is pointing at any time that you have your hands on it.

The penalty for making a mistake and breaking those rules is sometimes instant death, or instant disfigurement.  Then show him the video of the police officer that was showing off guns in the classroom and accidentally shot himself in the foot.  Then ask him what he did wrong, and how it could have been prevented.  Then whenever news hits the media regarding this type of thing, show it to the child and discuss what happened, and how it could be avoided.

Especially stuff like Brandon Lee's death ("The Crow" movie) where the chamber was even checked, and a blank was inserted into the gun and fired.  Unknown to anyone, there was a second blank stuck in the barrel at the time. It was propelled out of the barrel and went through a bag of groceries before entering Brandon Lee's chest, killing him.

It's heartbreaking.. As a stepfather of a 12 year old boy with the name Joshua, it's downright scary to think he might go to a friend's house where the child has automatic weapons laying around for them to experiment and play with.

Be a parent to your child instead of an upset surviving family member. 

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I think you should read the fucking story.  It's not an automatic, its a semiautomatic .22

I agree with everything else you said, but I think you're just lazy for not reading the fucking story.

 

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Actually, I once shot myself in the head in Halo 2 with the sniper rifle, I was in the scarab....and missed the elite...the round ricohceted right back into my head.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

this was in no way the games fault

i blame the parents

firstly they let a kid play an M rated game, which is meant for people aged 17 and over

secondly they kept a pistol where a gullible naive 11 year old can get hold of it

thirdly they actually kept the gun loaded and didnt have the safety on

fourthly they didnt teach the kid that a gun is DANGEROUS and can seriously injure, or most of the time can kill

the parents should be stooped from reproducing and have any other kids taken away from them to prevent any more unessecary and quite frankly very sad cases of accidental infanticide

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

firstly, it was semi-automatic rifle, not a pistol.

secondly, i dont know "stooping" a person is...

finally, the kid OWNED the gun! if thats not being iresponsible, then i dont know what is...

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It was a 22 automaritc bolt action Rimfire Rifle, Not an Ak47.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

One, How the HELL did this kid get a hold of a assault rifle, two, the kids just an idiot for somehow shooting himself with a almost 3 foot long gun,

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Ok so the parents have a gun, within reach of an 11 year old kid, without a gun lock, LOADED!  seriously whose fault is this whole situation??  first of Halo is M, as in Mature, as in you must be 17 years old to play it.  Second off the parents left a fully loaded gun in the reach of the parents.  Its completely the parents fault.  They let a little kid play a violent shooter and left a loaded gun within his reach.  Halo is NOT a factor here.  Its the parents' fault.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

This article is stupid. Sure, Blame violent video games, that makes it so easy. There are two major problems here, both caused by the child's parents.

1) The Child got hold of a loaded gun.

Foolish parents for keeping a gun AND for not securing it AND for keeping it loaded.I mean, what retards keep loaded weapons in the first place let alone within reach of children?

2) The child was playing Halo in the first place.

WHAT THE FUCK IS AN 11 YEAR OLD KID DOING PLAYING A 16 GAME! How irresponsible are these parents. I am 16, and I only just started playing it. My parents told me that if i even showed any violent tendancies they will stop me playing it. I got banned from it for a week just for saying they should shoot President Mugabe for being an arsehole.

 

See, not Halo's fault at all. STOP BLAMING VIDEO GAMES AND BLAME THE SODDING PARENTS.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

You know, reading through all the posts here, it pretty much disgusts me that the second biggest thing you are all upset about is the fact that people are calling it an Assault Rifle, Automatic, what ever. DOES IT REALLY FUCKING MATTER what gun type it was? Regardless of gun control arguments, an 11 year old kid just fucking DIED and all you care about is correcting people and calling them idiots for calling it the wrong thing.

 

Maybe you should all take a step back and cool off before you make yourselves sound like idiots or trolls.

Re:Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Dumb Boy

Good. One less moron having dumbass kids.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I am so sick of stupid parents having stupid kids. If Halo was indead the cause of this idiot child doing something stupid, what was he doing with a game that is not meant for him in the first place. Its so annoying when people try to blame what is the most popular as the worlds problems.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

The kid lived in the country, that's why he had access to the gun, it's perfectly normal to shoot guns when you live in the middle of  no where.http://www.wdtimes.com/articles/2008/09/05/news/news3.txt

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I didn't get the impression they were blaming Halo in the report, more that they were namedropping it and hoping that the readers would blame it for them. Sadly, the readers do. Even we do, leaping into defensive action like an engineer convinced he just saw a spy.

The kid here was reasonably gun-savvy, and his parents encouraged him in his pursuits. Then they left him with unobserved access to a loaded rifle and misadventure followed. The parents can't (and I suspect don't) blame Halo for that.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I find it odd that people are upset about Halo and not about how the parents apparantly have a loaded automatic lying around.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It was a .22, not an automatic weapon.

Read. The. FUCKING. Article.

And I think the parents are as dumb as the kid was.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

"I'd go after lack of gun control, you can still buy automatic rifles in the US, but its illegal to buy any automatic weapon up here in Canada, and I REALLY dont c how halo got involved with a 11 year old accidently shooting himself"

I am sorry, but gun control is not the answer. The answer is educating children about guns and keeping them locked up where kids cannot access them. It was pretty retarded to keep one loaded anyways with kids around.

Anyways, the kid was pretty stupid for doing that anyways. Oh well, one less stupid person in this world to spread his stupid genes.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

And what if that happened, and you teached a kid how to use a gun properly? Whats next? Kids owning their own gun? If they know how to properly use one, they might as well own one, right? So, that would mean schools with armed kids all around.

Angry kids can do pretty stupid things. Like throwing bricks at each other, stabbing the hell out of someone, shooting someone.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

It almost sounds like you're trying to be sarcastic with the first part, but then I realized that you really are an idiot.

I'm properly trained in guns, and I didn't even fire a gun until a few years after my dad was teaching me gun safety. Yes, kids can be stupid. I agree that the legal age to own a gun should be 18, and don't disagree with the legal age in Michigan to carry a concealed weapon being 21. I fail to see how teaching kids gun safety will lead to kids carrying guns. A few of my friends have owned guns since 13, went hunting with their parent's, etc etc. None have accidently killed themselves or brought a gun to school. This was just an accident, whether it be that the parent's trusted their son, they didn't teach him all the proper gun safety, they forgot to empty the chamber, or they thought he wouldn't be that stupid.

Of course angry kids can do stupid things. Humanity 101 for you. Any angry person can do something stupid. They can just use their fists or a pencil if they want, trying to restrict guns won't solve anything. Teaching proper gun safety and use, and keeping the guns locked or secured until your kids are responsible enough to not play around, is the only way to bring down accidents like this.

Nightmare world

I don't know where the heck you went to school but I'm glad I didn't.

Bricks, knives and shootings? I can understand why gun control might be an issue where you live but since the rest of us don't live in such violent areas I think we'll just stick to educating our children about the weapons and how use and NOT use them. Teaching your children about weapons is fine, in fact it's better that way so that you can teach them to respect them and what they can do.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Two words:

Natural Selection.


Two more words:

Darwin Award.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Darwin Award aplication denyed under the humor clause

now hiding your ammo in the stove going off on vacation and forgetting the ammo's in the stove and heating the stove to cook something would get you a darwin if you died or sawing off a branch thats keeping a tree bent under your gutter after a storm and while seated on the tree

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Denied on the age clause also.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Because thats not routinely used to kill people?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

This begs a few questions: 1) Where the hell were the parents? 2) Wasn't there some sort of safety switch? 3) Was it locked or not locked?

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Ok.. so this kid got hold of a rifle how?

Im not gonna sit here and argue gun control because it always falls on deaf ears and i get shouted down with the same old lines over n over, 'constitution' this n 'even without gus something else would have happened' that.

All im saying is, had it been a knife he was playing with, hed probably be injured n not dead.

*sigh* oh wll lets just all put our hands over our ears, beacuse for some reason people think its wrong to debate stuff like this, and do it again the next time.. and the next time.. etc.

'If you keep on doing what you've always done, you will always get what you have gotten'

 

 

 

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Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I agree with you.

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

I maybe in the 'gun control' crowd, but every once in a while, I do side with gun owners on matters of legal issues.

This is one issue, that will bring the gun control nuts (meaning, folks more fantaical then myself) out of the woodwork.  To me, having a firearm is like an automobile in several ways.  Both are easily able to destroy property and life.  And both can be safely used without either property of loss of life (unless your Dick Cheney....).

As far as I can determine, a rifle of some sort was used.  Whether bolt action, semi-auto, or full automatic, doesnt really matter here, ladies and gentlemen.

A 11-year old child's life was cut short.  Children have to be supervised all the time.  The parents are now learning one of the toughest mistakes of parenthood.  The gun owner should lose his ability to have firearms until such time as he or she demostrates the proper use, storage, and cleaning of said firearm.  Further, negilence charges at the least, and 2nd degree manslaughter charges should be brought on the parents for this.  Its their responsibility, and they failed.

The Christian side of me, would make a prayer for the boy.  If the parents asked forgiveness, I would accept it.  But they must still bear the guilt and any legal issues that now face them.

All you gun owners would do well, to make sure stuff like this doesnt happen often.  Or the more insane (read: uncomprising) people in my gun control group, will be well justified in banning guns out of existance.

An we dont want to be like the british, right?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

You might not like to go down the UK route of an outright ban, but couldn't a compromise be reached such as banning automatic and semi-automatic weapons unless a certification is earnt, background checks made and a yearly check of how the gun is secured?  The second amendment was never designed with the current society and social climate in mind and frankly it is time to move on, no?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Actually, the Second Amendment was pretty much designed for today's social climate. At the time of writing, it almost didn't make it in because nobody thought the government would ever try to disarm the people. The Anti-Federalists, however, were worried that the central government would get too powerful (as it has), and insisted on codifying the right to bear arms so that the people would have a reset button.

At any rate, it is still the law of the land, so you can't just ignore it and "move on." We've already comprimised automatic weapons (except nobody asked us, and instead they passed the ban in the middle of the night with no vote after most of Congress went home), and the only way they'll be able to ban semi-autos is by amending the Constitution to repeal it. Which would require two thirds of the States to ratify.

It's unlikely that more than four or five States would do so. Even if enough of them did sign on, it would cause another civil war because there are a few States would secede. But, hey, what's a few million dead if it saves the life of just one kid?

On that note, how the fark did he manage to press the trigger of a rifle with the muzzle pointed at his head anyway?

Re: Halo Named in Accidental Shooting Death of Wisconsin Boy, 11

Wrong right from the get go.  The right to bear arms infact was implied to be a single gun locked up somewhere in the cabinet of the local mayor's office - again hardly relevent today where most people have their own guns.

The argument that "it is still the law of the land" is laughable.  Laws are there to govern and when they fail they can be changed or adapted.  If the UK can change the House of Lords, I'm pretty sure your amendmends can be... oo.. amended... see what I did there?

"Even if enough of them did sign on, it would cause another civil war because there are a few States would secede."

*laughs*  Yes right.  That's comedy right there.  And I thought that Jack Thompson was a nut job shouting that the world will end...

"On that note, how the fark did he manage to press the trigger of a rifle with the muzzle pointed at his head anyway?"

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