Creationist Site Targets Spore

Who knew that Spore would be so controversial?

First there was the DRM madness that has enraged so many gamers. Now an apparent creationist site refers to Will Wright’s long-awaited game an "attack on Christian values."

Anti-Spore (there is some speculation that the site is a hoax) went live just a day after Spore’s September 7th release. The site’s opening post sums up its focus:

Yesterday I found out about a new game called Spore when my son asked me to buy it for him.  It looked innocent enough at first and has “E for Everyone” ESRB rating.  But don’t be mislead, apparently “everyone” means everyone they want to teach evolution to.


This entire game is propaganda aimed directly at our children to teach them evolution instead of creationism, or “intelligent design” …


I decided that Electronic Arts needs to hear from concerned people such as myself that this sort of game is not acceptable, and created this blog to find support and share information and progress with anyone who feels the same as I do.

Indeed, the domain name, which is private, was registered on September 8th. The anonymous author claims to be a wife and mother and writes that she has received hate mail and death threats over her Spore views.

The site also tosses in this small bit of politics:

I got a message from the supposed mayor of McCamish, KS [a suburb of Kansas City]. Claiming that he will make sure the game is kept out of their store. I have no way to verify the info, though.


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  1. 0
    Nessmk2 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Can we please remember that for every religious nutjob that goes on about ‘wearing the colors of satan’ and trying to convert everyone in sight constantly that there are 1000 religious people that are normal? Just like gamers. I’m christian too, and trust me, all these freaks that go out giving my faith a bad name are just as annoying to me, if not moreso.

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    Gift says:

    "Why can’t evolution be the how instead of the why?"

    Well as a scientist let me say evolution (and science in general) is most definitely about the how, not why. "Why" is the realm of philosophy and religion, not science.

    Plenty of people seem quite comfortable with the distinction in my experience, sometimes I just think the internet makes the argument look like there’s no seeing eye to eye. Which is daft really as even the devout needn’t have trouble with the science, take Ken Miller for example.


  3. 0
    Austin_Lewis says:

    I know that rock music lead me down the path to the devil.  Then I was saved by Alice Cooper. (SARCASM)

    After thinking it through, I decided to add the sarcasm tag in case people thought I was serious.  If you’re so weak minded that you get your views from a musician, a movie star, or a movie or video game, you should probably not be allowed to vote, drive, reproduce, or own firearms.

  4. 0
    Oz says:

    With me and the crowd its a real mixed back, I have JW nutters, Pentecostal nutters and Catholic nutters all in my family but yes in my family they are the worse too… example: my cousin who as 8 at the time tried pascal’s stupid wager on me.

    So yeah, they even tell their kids "your cousin is a godless heathen who’s going to burn, he needs to be saved". A quick word to her father saying to direct his debate topics towards me because unless he wants his little girl asking him "Who’s Mithras?"

  5. 0
    MantisHOUND says:

    It may not neccessarily disprove Genesis, I mean, the stuff in the Bible is not meant to be taken in literally word-for-word, like the part about Jesus "rebuilding the temple in 3 days", he wasn’t going to tear the place down and rebuild it, he was giving a metaphor.

    But then you’re right about how some modern Christians go about with the Bible nowadays, and your opinion about the Bible’s messages work, even though I’m not going to say it to my teacher’s face or she’ll fail me.

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    MrKlorox says:

    Agreed. The Pentacostals in my family are far worse pests than the Jehova’s Witnesses or Mormans… haven’t dealt with any Scientologists yet, thankfully. I have no patience for people who resfuse to respect my spiritual decisions for myself.

  7. 0
    Father Time says:

    Dude all these religious guys aren’t going to accomplish much of anything. Why would EA or any company for that matter change their game to appease a small group of people who probably have no interest in buying the game anyway.

    Fun fact: After the whole church of england resistance fiasco, someone at Insomniac has promised to include more churches in Resistance 2.

  8. 0
    Father Time says:

    My uncle is a Hindu, and he’s a cool guy. He married my dad’s sister who is a Christian and doesn’t seem to mind that none of his children are Hindu.

  9. 0
    Dark Sovereign says:

    Sadly, it’s taught already. It isn’t taught to nearly the extent that it should be, which is why you have people walking around with no idea what the theory says.

  10. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Yeah if only there was a way to harness stupidity then we’d have an bottomless energy source.

    Personally I’ll never understand how evolution (something thats been pretty much proven) is less believable than the earth being magically created in seven days. No offence I just don’t get it.

  11. 0
    Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson says:

    He’ll just say that they’re not real Christians and that they’re going to Hell.



  12. 0
    Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson says:

    Incorrect. The correct answer is "ULTIMATE Fail."



  13. 0
    Anonymous says:

    It’s not just aetheists, but those who don’t share the christian dogmatic view of the creation.

    If you look at the facts, Creationism and Intelligent design do not belong in a Science class. Science is about proof supporting conclusions. God exists on faith, not proof. There is no proof for the supposition for intelligent design.

    There is room for these creationism and ID in a philosophy or theology course. Unfortunately, christians and IDers don’t want to share the spotlight with other religious idealogies. Besides, if they can smuggle their viewpoint into a science class, it perpetuates an assumption that these concepts are fact.

    BTW, why aren’t churches teaching evolution? Oh, that’s right, because education and religion are separate entities.

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    ParanoidIndividual ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Exactly.  People are so quick to just label evolution as ‘history’.  I thought it rather hilarious when a fundamentalist Catholic I knew would argue against evolution until he was blue in the face, yet the day before he’d more or less been describing the exact same process to me in regards to pests developing resistance to pesticides.  At some point evolution needs to be taught in biology – if you prefer to ignore it on the grounds of your religion, there’s absolutely no point in pursuing any further study or research in that field. 

    Even if that site is a hoax, there will be people out there who will cry foul of Spore for it.  And that’s a real shame – I think Spore could even count as a form of edutainment.

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    Anonymous says:

    It doesn’t disprove God, but it does disprove the story of Genisis. For some christians, the text of the Bible has become more important than the message it contains.

    I once asked a friend of mine who was a devout, "If science proved, without a doubt, that the Bible was a work of fiction would you stop living your life by it?"

    He said "Yes. If the Bible was a lie than it cannot be the work of God."

    And I said, "Even a work of fiction can have good solid truths to live your life by. The ten commandments are good commandments. You should put your faith in the message instead of the table of contents."

  16. 0
    Anonymous says:

     The atheists are just opposed to teaching this BS in public school system, which the fundies are trying to do. Atheists honestly couldn’t care less what fundamentalists believe as long as they keep it to themselves.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s so clearly a trolling site! I’ve seen my share of religious sites calling to ban stuff and in nearly all instances they don’t show examples of what they’re campaigning against and there’s usually a mention on religion outside the posts. Like a proverb or some wise saying from someone.

  18. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Creationists aren’t worried that their children will be exposed to evolution. They’re worried that other people’s children will be exposed to evolution.

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    Vinzent ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The religious part of me that still has faith in humanity says that this is a hoax.

    While the scientific side of me says that there has been ample proof that human stupidity is unlimited.

  20. 0
    DavCube ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    This HAS to be a hoax. I mean, it’s not like everything else (besides school curriculums) If it’s something you don’t like, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUY IT.

    So if you don’t like the idea of evolution, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUY IT.


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    Crashus Maximus ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    You have GOT to be kidding me. This is just another good example of idiots knowing nothing about the game itself spouting off without actually playing it or THINKING ABOUT IT.

    While the game does tip its hat towards Darwins Theory of Evolution, it by no means claims it to be the end all be all of how your beasty is actually progressing. Like it says in the damn trailer; "All of the time, someone was guiding them through.. that person was you." If that doesn’t also tip its hat towards the possibility of intellegent design I don’t know what does.

    If we want to go on about how Spore is nothing more than a propaganda piece, how many other games that you very well might have no problems with are getting in your kids hands that obviously are? I don’t hear the christian right wing bitching about how Guitar Hero or Rock Band are leading our youth into temptation with their vulgar secular music. I have yet to read about any parent groups attempting to boycott Assassins Creed because it shows midaeval christianity as a bunch of rampaging, village burning,armor clad pillagers. I never saw any article in the newspapers talking about citizen groups banding against Gamespot or EB or Best Buy for selling the Playboy Mansion game because its could be considered to be pornographic or demening to women. Its a popular game, and I guess thats enough for the villagers to light their torches and start witchhunting over though. It pisses me off though because it really IS safe for kids to play. They might actually learn something, or be interested in studying the sciences of Biology, Ecology, Sociology or Anthropology in a time when most kids don’t even know how to spell the name of their home goddamn state.

    Its just great. C’mon folks. Stop blaming the fact that your kids just very well might one day have questions you can’t answer, and instead FIND OUT THE ANSWERS YOURSELF AND ANSWER THEM LIKE A PARENT OUGHT TO. Teach your kids about the world. And if you don’t know then LEARN and then teach them with a clear conscience. If its a matter of belief or faith then at least do your kids the dignity of knowing that there are other opinions that matter out there other than your own. Ie; if you believe that god created the heavens and the universe then just remind them its A FREAKIN GAME.

    *pant… pant… pant…*


    Sorry. First time poster.

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    KayleL says:

    Oh wait. This is rich. This is from the website.

    "Someone informed me that an Attorney, Mr. Jack Thompson may be able to help me. As he has had much success in raising awareness about problem video games.
    Does anyone know how I can get in touch with him?

    Turns out that Jack Thompson is a terrible lawyer.
    People are emailing me so much stuff, I don’t know which people are being sincere and which are not.

    For example, I got a message from the supposed mayor of McCamish, KS. Claiming that he will make sure the game is kept out of their store.  I have no way to verify the info, though."

    This is pure gold

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    Christophe Janson ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    We are talking about a game were you can populate the universe with penismonsters and the likes. And creationists think that it might make their children evolutionists. They are afraid that their children will chose the penismonsters over their own religion.

    Well it doesn’t mather, if the doomsday device proves successfull which Stephen Hawkings says it will be then we will pretty much have evidence that everything religious is bull and that science rules.

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    Anonymous says:

     how the hell is designing a creature evolution propaganda? unless youre just clicking randomize on everything, i have a hard time seeing how this game isnt "intelligent design"

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    Gift says:

    /Puts professional hat on.

    "One is based on faith and the other is based on theory."

    Others have dealt with this already, but I’ll reiterate. "Theory" in scientific terms, is a predictive framework supported by evidence cf. a hypothesis which is an untested idea.

    "Why can’t we just focus on the biology of life as it is today?"

    Not without addressing evolution, even the most basic research is dependent on the theory. For example, why do you think we test drugs on animals if it isn’t because we’re evolutionarily related? How do you think we know what our genes do? Much of the functional data is derived from studies in flies and other vertebrates. How something (i.e. a gene) currently works in humans is quite dependent on where it evolved from and what other organisms possess it now. Hell without comparative genomics we’d not have the first clue what swathes of human genes did, and without mice to compare ourselves to your immune system would be a mystery! Do you seriously think biology could be taught to an acceptable level while ignoring  the evolutionary elephant in the room?


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    KayleL says:

    I personally believe that it’s possible to have both the theory of elevlution, and creation.

    But anyway, not every damn thing in the world has to be Christian. I hate the loud Christian (take note that I said loud Christian) They believe that everyone have to believe in them, and they are the only right ones. It’s like OMG! God of War only values Greek’s believes! It’s Anti-Christian, so we must stop it.

    Even thought that didn’t happen, I feel that it’s the same thing.

    And one more thing. Spore has nothing to do with Man kind, or Earth in general. Maybe there are creatures that God lets free, and allow them to change.

  27. 0
    Anonymous says:

    "One is based on faith and the other is based on theory."

    Actually, evolution is based on fact. Contrary to what IDers would like you to believe, there is absolutely no controversy about evolution in scientific circles. You get a few scientists like Behe promoting the notion of intelligent design, but these people’s views on ID have almost no support among scientists.

    Evolution is science, ID is not. Evolution belongs in science class, ID does not.

  28. 0
    BrandonL337 says:

    Creationism is actually more like starting with the conclusion and trying to find evidence to support it,

    Science is: observation, hypothesis, prediction, experiment(which is where the evidence is discovered), and analizing the data.


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    Mottom22 ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I hate it when people say "just a theory" or "is theory" like it’s someone just guessing with no real proof or evidence.

    Evolution has evidence all over the place. people dig them up all the time, and there are links from one species to another. hell, our DNA even shows we are related to everything on this planet. someone once thought "hey… that monkey looks like us… maybe we are from apes… somehow" that, isn’t a theory, that is a guess. then someone found caveman skeletons and all those other types in caves and in africa. they looked at their age, put them side by side and said "hmmm, this evidence seems to show progression… this may show why we resemble apes and where, us as a species (not as life) came from. but we can’t observe this happening… so we can’t call it fact. we can’t watch it happen…. so what should we call it?" THEORY! theory is something that has evidence, that has things backing it up, but just can’t be observed or 100% proven BECAUSE you can’t observe it. the awesome thing about theory is that it can change, that new evidence can pop up and make things clearer.

    The difference between the evolution theory and Creationism, is that creationism has no room to change. they don’t want change, infact, they fear it. no new evidence can pop up, and if new evidence does, it is selected to try to convince people that its part of this idea. in theory you find evidence, make a connection, and make your best education hypothosis based on it. creationism is you come up with the hypothosis and find evidence to prove it. that isn’t science.

    Science is not a religion. it changes, and molds to new evidence and new discoveries every day. if a theory is proven wrong, a good scientist doesn’t get mad, they are happy! because they have an answer, even if that answer is "no". Creationism doesn’t want a "no" they already believe it is a "yes" and they will selectivly choose what evidence they want, to make it seem that way.

    I belive both. i believe in god, but that doesn’t mean I don’t believe in evolution. how come we have to look at it as the "this is" as oppose to "why it is". faith isn’t easy, it isn’t suppose to be. so why would god, if he exsists, make it easy?

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    bpm195 says:

     To quote a friend of mine that happens to be both a scientist and a devout Christian: "I don’t get why other Christians think if evolution is true then God can’t exist. If anything, having something like evolution goes to prove that God can do some pretty amazing things."

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    scribe999 says:

    You mean the "The Handmaid’s Tale" by Margaret Atwood? Yeah, religious fundamentalism and patriarchal control over female reproductive rights were themes in that story. But I wouldn’t see that specifically having to do with the whole creationism/evolution argument specifically.

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    Dark Sovereign says:

    Evolution is how it works. Modern biology doesn’t make much sense without it. Evolution describes how the variations that we see in todays life came to be: through competition between differing individuals in specific environments. It doesn’t actually cover the origins of life; it covers the origins of diversity in life.

    The study of how life got started is abiogenesis, which isn’t taught in middle or high schools. Abiogenesis lies outside the scope of evolution.

    Theories, in science, are a heavily tested set of hypotheses. They are as close to facts as any metatheory can be.

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    Anonymous says:

    Everything about the site screams hoax, it has a very tounge in  cheek writing style to it that doesn’t sound like it’s coming from an actual fundamentalist. The WHOIS info favors a hoax as well, what religious freak job would use a registrar wroght with criminality? (What does Jesus say about hiding your WHOIS info behind a proxy?) I personally am 95% sure someone is trying to get Will Wright’s (and your) goat.

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    Eville1NSI says:

    Eh, I don’t think so. A Handmaiden’s Tale would be closer to Children of Men (to bring it to a more modern setting here.) In that something, be it a biological agent or otherwise caused men (or people in the case of children of men.) to go sterile.


    That being said, now that you’ve reminded me of it I’m really creeped out. I’m going to go around calling all the women I know "Offred"

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    GryphonOsiris says:

    For some reason, these fundamentalist types make me think of "A Hand Maiden’s Tale". Someone prove me wrong about this, please!


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    E. Zachary Knight says:

    I know that the whole evolution thing is more about how life as we know it came to be and so is creationism. Both just have two views of how life as we know it came to be.

    Why can’t we just drop both from education courses? One is based on faith and the other is based on theory. Why can’t we just focus on the biology of life as it is today? what does it matter how it came about? What really matters is how it currently works. That is what we really need to understand.

    Sure it makes for great conversation and debate when we try to figure out how it came to be, but that is not what is important.

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    JustChris says:

    I have an aunt that’s kind of like that too. Is yours a member of Jehova’s Witnesses?

    Let me take this chance to bring up an anecdote. 10 years ago our family went shopping at Toys-R-Us and for my younger brother, our mom put a red Power Rangers action figure in the shopping cart. My aunt told her to put it back saying she doesn’t like the Power Ranger for its…color. Yes, the Red Ranger is evil because he wears the colors of satan!

    (no clue if actual red clothing is bad for you. She wears red clothes sometimes)

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    Barra Sadei ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Intelligent design being in quotes makes me think it’s a hoax… or as much as the "," or whatever the Halo 2 one was…

    If true, though, it proves that there are parents who DON’T try to find out what the game is.

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    JustChris says:

    The way these fundies talk about God, it’s like he’s selling out.

    If their God wasn’t such a sell-out we wouldn’t have much of a problem with shoving beliefs into other people. I mean, they take the promise of heaven as part of a religious conversion quota. You’re talking about faith, not about how you can make crazy money selling term life insurance.

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    sheppy says:

    You know, my post is right above yours.  You don’t have to quote me directly under the post you quoted.. seems redundant.

    Also, depends on how you look at it.  Sure, the aliens appear to be overly religious zealots, but so is the group that protests during soldiers funerals with their signs sayign that’s God’s punishment for allowing "fags."  Creepy little alien dude or creepy little preacher dude, both are idiots.

    You can’t just claim a section of your sect, mang.  Some christians ARE like the aliens in Halo.  Hell, my aunt is one of them.

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    Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Ya’know, I’ve always asked the same thing.  There’s a quote from South Park that sums it up; "Why can’t evolution be the how instead of the why?"  I’d say with the majority of people this concept is perfectly acceptable or at the very least any reasonable person could agree to disagree.

    However the hardcore crowd in both of the two camps (Christians and athiests) hate the idea of compromise.

    For the fundie Christian, the Bible is 100% literal and the Truth.  Period.  Anything that may question or go aganist it is wrong.  For these fanatical sects (I know not all of ya’ll Christians are this insane, chill out. :) ) there is no compromise.  Many of them would like to see America become a theocracy.

    As for the hardcore athiests the idea of mixing religion into a scientific theory is something akin to blasphemy.  To them to do so is trying to insert religion into a field where they feel it has no place since it isn’t "rational" or because it can’t be proven.

    Basically you’re dealing with two groups who "know" that they are "right" and everyone else is "wrong".  To compromise would be to admit that, at least in part, the group in question doesn’t actually know that they are 100% right and that’s something neither one can deal with.

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    JustChris says:

    If public schools are not allowed to force public prayer onto their students, they cannot require the teaching of religious tenets either. For parents that are dissatisfied about the lack of religious teachings there’s, well, parochial schools. Yeah, it’s too bad those don’t exist >_>

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    Dark Sovereign says:

    The "intelligent design" movement is spearheaded by the Discovery Insitute. This organization considers evolution to be a false dotrine meant to spread atheism and persecute the true believers. They subscribe to the "world in six literal Earth days" interpretation of the Bible and reject any other suggestion as heresy.

    Most Christians regard evolution as true, and many believe that God shaped evolution.

  44. 0
    Dark Sovereign says:

    This entire game is propaganda aimed directly at our children to teach them evolution instead of creationism, or “intelligent design” …

    That right there smacks of a hoax. I have never, ever, heard any of the IDers talk like this. They don’t put quotes around "intelligent design" and they rarely refer to what they believe as "creationism". They rail against how evolution is unscientific and false, and how the literal translation fo the Bible is the truth. They do not say "teach evolution instead of creationism.

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    Kommisar ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I think the best "religious" comment about Spore was by Stephen Colbert when Wil Wright was on The Colbert Report.

    "So, basically this is a game about sex?"

    I almost did a spit-take when I saw that show…

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    syr says:

    I’ve always found the "evolution"/"intelligent design" argument to be frustratingly silly.  I mean, why can’t they both be true?  This game certainly seems to find them compatible.  I suppose people just like to argue.

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    Geoff ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s real.  Some of the things actual fundies believe, like the secret One World Order, that Wicca is Satanism-lite, rock music has subliminal beats ment to turn kids into savages, etc. etc. are more far-out than this site. 

    It could be a hoax, but who would actually spend the money and the time to create a site like this?

    If it’s a hoax, well, it’s not all that funny.  If it’s real…meh, fundies aren’t happy unless they can make someone else unhappy.

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    relax_guy ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    "This wouldn’t be a problem if all Christian games except for Halo weren’t all shit" -sheppy

    Halo is not a christian game.  Halo uses christian imagry, but the plot about how humans are genetically engineered by aliens and.. well.. the way it illustrates the aliens as being horrificaly evil religious zealots…


    so no.. not very christian

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    Icehawk says:

    The problem is that Spore, while not an "Ultra-Violent" (I still dont know what that means) game apparently steps into the realms of religious beliefs.   Be the Anti-Spore site a hoax of not would not matter if you can make people beleive their religious views (or lack thereof) are being tramped on.  

    There have been several attempts to force the public school system to change how history and biology are taught because they teach evolution and religion claims creationism,  could someone do less to a game? Slippy slope at best and prone to violence. 

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    Fife says:

    This is why i don’t like religion, most of the people take the bible way to seriously and want to make sure that no one has fun. Now you have aetheists who are pissed off just because you play as god. ITS A GAME PEOPLE, STFU AND HAVE SOME FUN WITH IT!!! I rather have the DRM Bawwers than the bible humpers crying about everything.

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    Anonymous says:

    i looked at the site. The person running it is too thick headed to be a hoax. when she found out that the sporn was being removed (in july) she reported that it was because of "her efforts" even though they had done so… two months before…

    and many commenters note that the game actually promotes intelligent design, since the "evolution" is chosen by the player.

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    sheppy says:

    This wouldn’t be a problem if all Christian games except for Halo weren’t all shit.  I’m sure she was fine with Left Behind which is still the best Christian game ever made, which speaks to the genre as a whole.


    I have no problem with them, really I don’t.  But I don’t like them censoring stuff they don’t agree with.  Like I don’t particularly enjoy a Noah’s Ark inspired racing game… but I’m not going to buy it.

  53. 0
    Vinzent ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I was raised as a christian. I know what goes on in church. I’ve even attended Lutheran, Baptist, and Protestant services.

    And my opening sentence says nothing about my ignorance of chrisitanity. It says I know more than you on the subject matter.

  54. 0
    RolicRillics says:

    Ah.  I knew there was some reason I came here.  Actually rational comments to posts.

    To build on Gift’s comments.

    Yeah, in science, a "theory" must both both be supported by and take into account all evidence and experiments performed so far.  A "Theory" is as true as a "Law", the primary difference being a "law" is more of a simple underlying concept that can be explained in 1 or 2 sentences, while a "Theory" is a conclusion and "model" that encompasses or accounts for all scientific "Laws".  Each is changable and fluid if evidence disagrees with current theories (Take for instance, in Physics, The law of Conservation of Mass, as initially described, was proven to be innacurrate, it is now "The Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy".)  It should also be noted, that Biology by it’s nature is focused only on the material.  The "Why" is irrelevent, except in speculation, in fact the only times Biology contradicts with the "God did it" view, is in statements that it possibly (not that it did) occured spontaneously (ultimately most ID "reasonable" claims against Evolution argue with points of mere probability than anything else).

    As for evolution, weither a person thinks it is true or not, it is the model for life that all Biology and Medicine for the past hundred years has been based upon.  If it wasn’t relevent, we would never have to develop new flu vaccines, or antibacterial products to keep people alive.

    Evolution needs to be taught with Biology, because… it is modern biology.  They are no longer seperable.  And besides, if it didn’t occur, at least on the small scale, some of my experiments would work a lot better.  (Darned cells developing resistances to my modifications.)



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    Anonymous says:

    But the Bible teaches us that God was not done with man. For we were His creation and He then spoke to Noah in Genesis 8:21-27 after the flood.
    “21. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never gonna give you up.
    22. “Never gonna let you down.”
    23.”Never gonna run around and desert you.”
    24. “Never gonna make you cry.”
    25. “Never gonna say goodbye.”
    26. “Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.”
    27.”Never truly believe anything you read on the Internet. There will always be cases of Poe’s Law.”

    It’s these teachings that I’ve spent my life learning, believing and becoming, that have made me the woman that I am today.



    Yeah, hoax. That’s from the latest post on there.

  56. 0
    w00f says:

    I wouldnt say that, ur species evolves in the game, u would make ur species in full form at the beginning if it were intelligent design. Of course I really wasnt surprised that some1 who opposed evolution in every form would try and ban the game

  57. 0
    Hellfire says:

    Well, whoever wrote this probably didn’t play the game. Although the game may claim to be about evolution, if you think about it, it really is intelligent design. You the player take the role of a god, guiding and designing a species.

  58. 0
    Velt says:

    Don’t go to that website.


    The guy is just using the blog to get money.


    Think about it, Touchy topic, and a religious fanatic throws up a website? Fire and brimstone and the internet?

    Don’t fuel the fire, he’s less of an idiot if he gets rich because tons of people come to his site.


  59. 0
    Fandel says:

    The site is a hoax.

    Read the the end of the latest post:

    "But the Bible teaches us that God was not done with man. For we were His creation and He then spoke to Noah in Genesis 8:21-27 after the flood. “21. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never gonna give you up. 22. “Never gonna let you down.” 23.”Never gonna run around and desert you.” 24. “Never gonna make you cry.” 25. “Never gonna say goodbye.” 26. “Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.” 27.”Never truly believe anything you read on the Internet. There will always be cases of Poe’s Law.”

  60. 0
    Austin_Lewis says:

    I agree it should be taught as an outdated idea for the explanation of why we are here.  If parents want to teach their kids that that’s the real story, they can do it at home. 

    As for Zeus smiting the wicked, remind to never ever stand near you.  He sees what you type, and he is angry.

  61. 0
    Austin_Lewis says:

    It should absolutely be taught in a science class to show the evolution of the idea.

    Just like college-level criminology classes will still teach you biological theories (theories that state your genetic makeup influences criminality), then progress to newer and newer theories.

  62. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Not in science class it shouldn’t be. In science, there is no ”too sides to the issue”, often one side is provably wrong, and the other demonstrably correct. There really isn’t much debate on evoulution in legitimate scientific circles, and creationism is just provably wrong. When they write the history books on this period of american history, then it should e taught, or it could be discussed in a contemporary issues class, but not in the labratory.

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    Jackalman says:

    You have to admit, though, that creationism should not be taught as a fact, not even as a "proposed" explanation, but rather as an idea used in ancient times to explain the appearance of living beings (more or less how we teach kids helenic civilizations believed lightning was thrown by Zeus to smite the wicked)


    Anyways, creation made me laugh when I first heard of it (and my family isn’t atheist)

  64. 0
    Gift says:

    Well mistaken hypotheses can be mentioned but only where directly relevant. Spontaneous generation of life for example could be touched upon briefly when teaching hygiene/sepsis and Pasteur’s experiments. However, beyond a brief mention there is absolutely no need to teach creationism (in any form) in a science class.

    Science classes should focus on teaching current understanding and not dilute that information by meandering through past mistakes. So long as students appreciate that scientific understanding can and does change over time there is no need to labour the point by discussing science history. After all where would you stop? For example, once there were several competing ideas of atomic structure, why on earth should we devote more than a brief mention to the "plum pudding" model of an atom?

    In short, if people think this stuff needs to be taught it needs to go in the history or religion classes where it belongs. There’s no need to dilute science curricula when other forums covering religion and history already exist.


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    Austin_Lewis says:

    There are a lot of people here saying that creationism and intelligent design shouldn’t be taught in public schools.  These people are all wrong.

    It’s important to see how ideas have evolved, from Earth being the center of the universe to Earth being in orbit, from the world being flat to the world being round, from the belief that rats were born from of bags of flour and flies from meat to the realization that that is just silly, and from creationism and intelligent design to evolution.  I’m not saying that I don’t perceive the hand of God in evolution (I believe in God, and I believe he guides things from time to time).  I’m not dumb enough, however, to say that we shouldn’t teach and debunk the old theories at young ages.  When I was young, we learned both, and our teacher started the first class on creationism with ‘We’re going to show the evolution of an idea, an idea explaining where we come from.’ 

    Students need to know as many views of the world as they can get their hands on, or else they end up being as dumb as the people you can see in colleges today. 

  66. 0
    Jackalman says:

    The International Scientific Summit of 2008 unanimously agreed to change:

    Theory of Evolution


    Law of Evolution

    I thought that was common knowledge, anyways I do agree with you on the rest

  67. 0
    Benjamin Snow says:

    Hoax.   This guy went over the top when it came to the whole Creationist belife.    The whole site is B.S.  Why?  Because knowing my Chirstian people, we would had attaack this game a LONG time ago.

     Man, I don’t believe in evolution,  I believe in creation.  I believe that God created us all  but man, look I have the freakin’ common sense to know that


    Unlike these others so-call "Chirstians" who use their "faith" to attack others.  Morons.

  68. 0
    Anonymous says:

    "Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches,
    every time I think of them my trigger finger itches.
    They want to have their bullshit, taught in public class,
    Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass.
    Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
    straight up fairy stories even children don’t believe.
    I’m not saying there’s no god, that’s not for me to say,
    all I’m saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

    Fuck the damn creationists I say it with authority,
    because kicking their punk asses be me paramount priority.
    Them wack-ass bitches say, "evolution’s just a theory",
    they best step off, them brainless fools, I’ll give them cause to fear me.
    The cosmos is expanding every second, every day,
    but their minds are shrinking as they close their eyes and pray.
    They call their bullshit science like the word could give them cred,
    if them bitches be scientists then cap me in the head."

    Stephen "MC" Hawking

  69. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Totally. I bought into this right up until the most recent posting, because real fundamentalists really do say stuff like this all the time.

    I’m not sure if I should take that as something horrible about fundamentalists or as an anecdote on the state of satirical humor…

  70. 0
    Hevach ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Heck, it’s impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that some Fundamentalist won’t mistake for the real thing. I’ve seen Landover Baptist linked from actual church websites a couple times. Antispore might be parody, but it’s close enough to the mark (it’s actually more reasonable than a lot of the real stuff out there) that there’s going to be people on both sides falling for it.

  71. 0
    Woundwalker says:

    Poe’s Law: “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.”

    In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists.

    Thanks to urbandictionary.

  72. 0
    Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Not to be a dick, but I would like to see you try it.  If you were able to get even half as many articles, be paying for the domain and hosting, and program or pay to have half of this programmed, you would want to get your money at least partially back.  Maybe you would have a place for donations instead, which I am supprised they don’t here (maybe i am just not seeing it), but I doubt you would put $500+ or $50 and over 100 hours of work into a site and not have ads at all.

  73. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    It’s not about all Christans, it’s about the Chest-thumping, hair-pulling, teeth gnashing, ones that seem to think anyone that doesn’t believe EXACTLY like they do are unworthy to enter their "Paradise, Heaven or whatever" Alas all religions have them. The Christian ones are just loudest in this country.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  74. 0
    Ben says:

    To the anymous bastard who just posted his anti-religious rap song, your ten kinds of an idiot(unless your joking, I can’t tell). 

    I also find it funny how there are posters on here who whine about science being prosecuted by religion, yet have no second thoughts on savagely bashing Christianity. If you don’t like religion, thats fine. But please don’t try to make shitty generalizations about us.

  75. 0
    Anonymous ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Yeah…  I think that there should be an absolute seperation of church and state, but with people like the politicians we have, that will never happen.  One person tried to argue with me that people who don’t believe in god dont have the guidance for moral and ethical choices.  I was like, dude, I have not believed in God since I believed in the easter bunny, santa claus, and the tooth fairy.  I rank on the highest level on the psychological board’s morality test, and before you just found out that I don’t believe in God, how moral and ethical did you think that I was?

    If you want to base your morals and ethics on your religion, fine, but strip down the religious part and use your own logic and reasoning when pulling it into politics without referancing the bible.  Don’t say that because god has created the child, the raped 10 year old should be forced to have the baby.  Now if you morally and scientificly believe that the child is at the point of being classified as living, then fine, but don’t drag god into it.  Then with these politicians, especially McCain since he has the worse track record of all of them, if your religion says it is wrong to cheat on your wife, then don’t cheat on your wife.

  76. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Please don’t compare "in god we trust" on the money and "under god" in the pledge with this. Those were created by the government during the height of the Red Scare of the 1950’s specifically as a "fuck you" to non-religious people. You should be offended by that. unless you lack civic pride to begin with and therefore don’t give a shit about the government going out of its way to disparage an entire class of its citizens (sound familiar?).

  77. 0
    Anonymous says:

    Yeah, thats basically what they’re doing.  I’m atheist myself and I hate people who specifically look for insignificant things to bitch about, like "in god we trust" on money and "under god" in the pledge.  Its almost as retarded as thsoe atheists that want to have a churche of atheism, then complain that they can’t get the tax waiver, lol.

    The game itself mentions evolution throughout, but the process by which the game uses it has nothing to do with actual evolution.  You character "evolves" based on your will, rather than any specific advantage a trait gives in an environment.  Hell, when you lay an egg, you can completely redo your creature to look nothing like what it was before.  So yeah, I definitely feel this game actually leans more towards the ID viewpoint.  But seriously, who cares?  I own it, and its awesome.

  78. 0
    King of Fiji says:

    Ok if you have to bring it out to that big of a stretch on an "implication" then your just looking for something to bitch about for the sake of bitching.


  79. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    What I found hilarious about the limited intelligence of the "Admin" of the site was the lack of actual research on their part.

    Links feed the spam filter, but it’s simple to go to and look up Will Wright.

    The "Admin" claims how wonderful and lovely Will Wright was for creating SimCity.

    Then they wimper and whine about the promotion of the theory of evolution like it’s a unique idea, let alone a unique idea by Will Wright.

    Ahem… notice Will Wright’s Wikipedia page.

    Ahem… SimEarth.

    Ahem… SimLife (some might call it a type of "God" game, but it still involves evolution).

    ‘Nuff said.


    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as

  80. 0
    Zerodash. ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    The site does seem crazy enough to be a hoax.

    HOWEVER.  Jack Chick’s comics are crazy enough to be a hoax…and those are the real deal.

  81. 0
    Jack Wessels says:

    So much fail on that site, it’s ridiculous. Especially the "Proof EA is converting children to believe in evolution," if only for the fact that Thompson uses similar assertions of proof based off of one singular incident they could find.

    The only redeeming quality is the edit of the Thompson inquiry.


    -"A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

  82. 0
    MrKlorox says:

    That logic conflicts with fundamentalist’s evangelical stance. They think they are doing everybody a service by forcing their values on them. Hooray for Fascism!

  83. 0
    King of Fiji says:

    If this isn’t a hoax my only question is what happend to the logic of just not buying something if it offends you?

    Not getting into the whole debate of evolution and non evolution I just don’t get it.  Ok so you think the game is brainwashing your kids into learning something your against.  Fine.  Then why buy it?   Consumers these days seem to think they are powerless when its a simple case of not buying something!  U_U

  84. 0
    David_Ikari says:

    Joke or not, I never understood how Intelligent Designers could think this game is anti-god. The only way that change occurs in Spore is when a large overseeing figure directly interfers and redesigns a creature. It’s funny, really. It’s a game of intelligent biological and social designing. ^^

  85. 0
    hcf ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    hcf’s razor:  Hoaxes have banner ads.  Real fundamentalists don’t.

    Someone apoplectic with rage wouldn’t, in the midst of learning how to put a blog together all last-minute, will not stop and think "you know, I need to develop a relationship with a banner-ad service and get some dollars for jesus from the webhits I’m about to manufacture."

  86. 0
    BrandonL337 says:

    Then the Fund-tards would claim that the game is heresy and "atheist propaganda" since a bizzare number of fundies think that atheists think that they are gods.

    kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t, situation.


    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  87. 0 says:

    Well in essence you are right, but the game starts with an asteroid landing on planet disbursing micro-organisms as well as the term "evolution" is used throughout.


    but i seriously doubt that if it was a real god sim like populous or black and white the christian fun-duh-mental-ists would be too happy about that either.

  88. 0
    Anonymous says:

    What doesn’t spore really teach intelligence design??? I mean you the gamer are the one creating the creature, which if I understand it correctly what intelligence design talks about… If its about evolution then well the gamer wouldn’t do anything but watch what happens then it would be Spore the Movie.

  89. 0
    JustChris says:

    About the crash-landing asteroid- if that’s how the game starts out, with pre-existing organisms, there is almost nothing for the Creationists to talk about.

    Darwin’s theory NEVER intended to explain the origin of life. It only explains how different species develop.

  90. 0
    C. Aaron Browbowski Jr. says:

    wow, everybody is getting worked up over nothing serious… this is like screaming at a kid "THERE’S A BOOGIE MAN IN YOUR CLOSET" and it happened to be a friggin’ teletubbie…. (gay joke not intended)

    Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!

  91. 0
    Zaruka ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    i hope it a hoax becuse if it not  i feel sorry for people. i mean if you dont want to your kid to buy the game then dont but dont try to make them stop selling a game becuse it has someting to do about a scientific theory tho it been proven lol. plus i like the idea of evolution better then the talking snake no offince for any one christen.



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