Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

September 15, 2008 -

16-year-old secret shoppers were able to purchase knives and Grand Theft Auto in a retail sting operation conducted by Trading Standards officials in the U.K. city of Plymouth.

As reported by the Plymouth Evening Herald, five of nine game retailers sold GTA to the undercover buyers while only two of 25 sold them knives. Fair Trading Officer Lynda Braddock commented:

We’re disappointed that the games sellers concerned don’t seem to have taken their training on board or recognised the fact that these games are given a high age rating for a reason.

Councillor Michael Leaves, Cabinet Member for Streetscene and Environmental Regulation, added:

Parents will be worried about these test purchase results. The carrying of knives by some young people seems to be a plague at the moment. It’s vital for shops not to sell youngsters knives and I find it very disappointing that any in Plymouth have done so.

 

As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue. Everyone who sells these games must take extra care to ensure they only sell them to those who can legally buy them.

 


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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Well shit. We were gonna take bets on how long it would be until Jack came on here, but the dumbass beat us to the FALCON PUNCH. Oh well. There's always next time.

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Help!  A youthful hooligan just stabbed me with a GTA4 disc!

Jesus, what are these people thinking?  It's like reporting that police searched a serial killers house and found ten severed heads and a copy of Playboy.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Haven't you seen that sequel of Hellraiser where the guy would slice people in two with CD's...It could happen...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

That's some bullshit how they feature the games with the knives like Games+Knives+perfectly normal children/teens=SOCIOPATHIC RAPIST KNIFE MURDERER!

 

Does the UK actually have a newspaper that isn't written up by sensationalists?

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Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

"Does the UK actually have a newspaper that isn't written up by sensationalists?"

The Financial Times?

Seriously though, our tabloids are probably some of the worst in the world :/

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

so let me get this straight they where investaging what type of stores where selling to underage kids okay okay but they where doing 25 stores for knifes and 9 stores for video games. Now let me ask one little fricken question why Would they compare the two together and post it in the same paper that is just asking for stuipedy and trouble

my view is they use that info to try to push their own angenda

Thanks

Zaruka

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

This is not an attack, people. Trading Standards checked out a bunch of shops in a small area to make sure they weren't breaking the law by selling age-restricted stuff to minors. The local newspaper reported the statistics. The article plays loose and fast when it comes to mixing the two stings - both sales are illegal, but one is much more serious than the other - but the results are there to be published.

Regarding knives, knife crime is an incredibly hot topic in the UK at the moment. Carrying knives is illegal and there is no reason for a teenager to have one on his person in public.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

What's that some game stores sold games rated for 17 year olds to a 16 year old? HEAD FOR THE HILLS! RUN! RUN! (and yes I know in UK they are rated 18+).

Oh and Jack if you read this please realise that this story has nothing to do with the ESRB or the success rate of the U.S.

Anyway back to the article

"The carrying of knives by some young people seems to be a plague at the moment."

Yeah because if they're carrying a knife they MUST be up to no good never mind that knives have probably hundreds of practical uses that are legal. Honestly who cares if they have knives on them? These people should take a clue from Switzerland

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Of, but of course it has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on in this country.  The video game industry markets adult games to kids assiduously.  Then, responding to the marketing, they try to get them.  And when they get them, and it is shown by stings like this that they get them, the industry does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to rein in the retailers for their recklessness.

If the video game industry, globally, was a responsible industry, then game makers and developers would withhold product from retailers who can't seem to enforce the age ratings.

I am so sorry that I have to explain these elementary concepts to you gamers, but then again you've spent and wasted your time playing games rather than learning anything useful, so you are functionally, on these issues, retarded.  Jack Thompson 

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

It is obvious you didn't pay attention to the story whatsoever Jackass.  But if you did you may take notice that this takes place in the UK.  A country which does have age enforced laws that you would, well Jack-off over.  Therefore if children are getting their hands on adult games it is not Take-Two's fault, it is the governments for not doing THEIR job.  It is sad that we have to explain this stuff to you over and over again.

 

But even on state side to expect that the manufacturer would have to punish retailers is assinine.  That is especially when the age based ratings of the ESRB have NO LEGAL BACKING WHATSOEVER.  Therefore if I so wanted to I could open up a game store and offer a deal of 50% off all M rated games to everyone 16 and younger and there is nothing you could do about it.

 

Ain't freedom just a thorn in your side Jack-ass?

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

I'm sorry you are so functionally retarded on the issues of retail, grammar, being human, not being a lying piece of shit, keeping your job, law in general, and life. Fuck you.

 

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Of course the industry does nothing about the cashier's wrongdoing. Because it's the RETAILER'S responsibility to hand discipline down to the person that actually GAVE the game to the minor in the first place. That's how a BUSINESS works. Duh.

David "DavCube" Gagnon, User of Common Sense, and You're Not.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Jack,

You do, of course, realize that the game MAKERS do not dictate to the retailers how they run their businesses, right?  If WalMart chooses to sell Grand Theft Auto to a minor, that is not the fault of Take Two or Rockstar.

I am so sorry that I have to explain these elementary concepts to you, but then again you've spent and wasted your time failing miserably as a lawyer, so you are functionally, on these issues, retarded.  Dog Welder

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Either he doesn't and will never see the difference, or he does and he just doesn't care.

This is the same guy who, back when GP was on LiveJournal, would check the "email me when someone replies" box and then threaten to sue for all the emails he received. The issue of the burden of responsibility is not one of his strong suits.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Apart from this councillor making a daft comment trying to connect games and knives there isn't much of a story here.

The sting was carried out to see if under 18's could get hold of items that they shouldnt be able to.  Regardless of what that items were.  I dont think Trading standards are implying a link between knives and games, they are just conducting a test for both individually in different shops in Plymouth.  This is to test the training of the staff and the how well the law is being enforced in these sales.

Silly Councillor has tried to turn it into a games link to crime story... and suceeded it would appear

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Classic garbage British tabloid journalism. The headline screams scandal while using distortion to play on the readers fears ("Shops caught selling violent games and knives to children"). Teenage knife murders are a big thing here in the UK at the moment and the politicians are desperate to pin the blame on video games, rap music and movies as opposed to the real reasons of social inequality, the breakdown of law and order and a crumbling education system.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

i remember the time i was held up at "Copy of GTA"-point.  terrifying.

also, when i was 8 i had a pocketknife GIVEN to me and was taught how to use it responsibly.

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Don't you guys know that GTA is a U.K knife training simulator.:)

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Funny thing is, i got ID'd buying a copy of GTA4 for my brother's birthday last week ...I'm 28 years old

(for the record, my brother is 22)

I find the UK shops to be very good for checking ID in my experience, if anything a little too good.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

I am receiving apologies at *Retracted by EZK* as gamers are admitting I was right all along.

Thanks for the encouragement!  Jack Thompson, Attorney and You're a Nerd

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Jack,

How about posting some of the "apologies" you're getting?  Or are they just as imaginary as the "hundreds of supporters" who were signing your petition to get you on the ballot for Florida Bar President?

And someone sending you an e-mail that says, "Sorry you're retarded" don't count.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Why in the world would I expose these people to harassment?  You can't be THAT dumb.  Jack Thompson

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

So you haven't recieved a single apology?

Ok, thank you for clarifying.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Translation:  "I got nothing but my overactive imagination."

Jack, here a newsflash:  your legal career is circling the toilet because you never seem to have any actual evidence.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

We can't really harrass them if we only know their names. Only the lifeless would spend the time to hack and find their e-mail addresses, "Anonymous." At least i SIGN my name.

David "DavCube" Gagnon, Literate, and You're Not.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

More lies about receiving apologies from gamers whose rights you are attempting to gut based on, meaningless shit like this.  Why the hell would anyone apologize to you necrophile?

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Are you so passionate about bullying that you took your hatred of nerds outside thre schoolyard and straight into adulthood?

Also ,Zelnic is in no war responsible for international sales. As soon as the game shipment leaves distribution, it's out of their hands.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

your bullying is apparent.

BTW, a nerd is a person who passionately pursues intellectual activities.

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Newsflash, jerk:

Don't complain to Zelnick about UK matters. Complain to the the people selling the games in the UK. Zelnick is not personally responsible for out-of-touch, rule-breaking people behind counters all over the world.

David "DavCube" Gagnon, User of Common Sense, and You're Not.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

That's awful.  Has anyone tried to stop the madness?  I mean these people are at least as dangerous as crazed psychos who stalk women.

Don't these folks have anything better to do?

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

No, They are trading standards... they are employed to check that traders stick to the standards :p

it is unfortunate that the link has been made here between knife sales and game sales... both were just check as part of a check against selling to minors... im sure things such as alcohol and cigarettes are checked in this way often too... they just werent part of this story.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

"Don't these folks have anything better to do?"

I suppose they could come on this site and post comments like yours. Would that make you feel better?

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

No, they don't have anything better to do than prove you're an idiot.  I love it.  Thanks for the apologies that I am getting via email, as GP readers are telling me I was right all along about this.  Jack Thompson 

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Wow lying again old Jacky boy? No one has emailed you a sincere apology. Just snide, sarcastic, and insulting mails :)

Go play a disbarment simulator and practice real hard at it.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

so you admit they're not trying to prevent any deaths.

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Oooooo... young people carrying knives. So scarey.

I started carrying one when I was 12, and carried one until I got my gun permit at 18.

Big deal.

 

 

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

 your penis must be pretty small if you need to compensate that much

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Dude that quote of yours probably holds the record for most butchered quote of all time. I've heard at least 12 different versions of it (and no the constant butchering of a quote in the same way does not qualify for the award).

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

There was a cigarette shop near where I live that got busted for sellling knives and weapons.  The moral of that story was that its ok to sell potentially illgeal weapons as long as you add "novelty" to the end of the name of your store.

 

Good times......good times.....

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

16? your point?

IMO its to keep the the preteenand set away from it but not so much the older teens.

Film is still 2-3 tiems as bad as keeping media away from "kids"...

 

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Good lord I missed the UK blurb...but thats even mroe funy sicne 16 yearolds in the UK have more rights than thoes in the US...I mean they can have sex and get married...uhhgggg.........

*drownes in coffee*

 

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Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue.

That's funny because I believe that cabinet members on the whole are a bunch of badly informed buffoons who'll jump on public opinon rather than fact to push their own agenda. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is a connection between holding a position of office and being stultifyingly ignorant.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

lol,  that is true but i feel that they are all at it. not just the cabinet but the shadow cabinet and whatever you call the Lib Dems.

This guy quoted is a councillor rather than an MP though.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

In Britain councilors regularly use anti-terrorism surveillance powers to spy in people and prosecute them for letting their dog sh*t on the sidewalk. Think of the geekiest most irritating, anti-social and most picked-on kid from your school, grown up and legally given a fair degree of power. What would he / she do with that power? Abuse it of course to get their revenge on the world.

Councilors / town hall officials in the UK are by and far worse than the politicians, and we have some pretty horrific politicians even by US standards.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Nah, I consider officials and corrupt cops to be the ex-bullies of school, not the ex-geeks.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

No offense to the guys you quoted, but "some" and "plague" don't seem like adjectives that would work well together.  Other than that, stupid retailers!  At least the guys that you quoted blame them and not the game industry.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

If you played GTA, you would know that you don't use knives. You use M4s and RPGs.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

They have knives in GTA games.  They're just seldom used if you have access to better firepower.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Very disappointing to see people selling 18 rated games to underage kids.  Yes I know that knives are dangerous and this is more scary, but it's not an excuse for the retail industry not to be keeping its house in order.  However I repeat... RETAIL industry.  Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, HMV, Zavvi, WHS Smiths, Woolworths and all the other retailers that sell games are just as much to blame as Game, Gamestation, GamesXchange and the rest.

Re: Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

Dude...last I check....M17 is for the kids of the age of 17 or higher...so 16=blunderbuss.

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