Underage Buyers Score GTA & Knives in U.K. Retail Sting

16-year-old secret shoppers were able to purchase knives and Grand Theft Auto in a retail sting operation conducted by Trading Standards officials in the U.K. city of Plymouth.

As reported by the Plymouth Evening Herald, five of nine game retailers sold GTA to the undercover buyers while only two of 25 sold them knives. Fair Trading Officer Lynda Braddock commented:

We’re disappointed that the games sellers concerned don’t seem to have taken their training on board or recognised the fact that these games are given a high age rating for a reason.

Councillor Michael Leaves, Cabinet Member for Streetscene and Environmental Regulation, added:

Parents will be worried about these test purchase results. The carrying of knives by some young people seems to be a plague at the moment. It’s vital for shops not to sell youngsters knives and I find it very disappointing that any in Plymouth have done so.


As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue. Everyone who sells these games must take extra care to ensure they only sell them to those who can legally buy them.


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  1. Harmless Bunny says:

    Wow lying again old Jacky boy? No one has emailed you a sincere apology. Just snide, sarcastic, and insulting mails 🙂

    Go play a disbarment simulator and practice real hard at it.

  2. King of Fiji says:

    There was a cigarette shop near where I live that got busted for sellling knives and weapons.  The moral of that story was that its ok to sell potentially illgeal weapons as long as you add "novelty" to the end of the name of your store.


    Good times……good times…..

  3. favc4 (awaiting reg email) says:

    lol,  that is true but i feel that they are all at it. not just the cabinet but the shadow cabinet and whatever you call the Lib Dems.

    This guy quoted is a councillor rather than an MP though.

  4. Anonymous says:

    As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue.

    That’s funny because I believe that cabinet members on the whole are a bunch of badly informed buffoons who’ll jump on public opinon rather than fact to push their own agenda. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there is a connection between holding a position of office and being stultifyingly ignorant.

  5. Zero Beat ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    No offense to the guys you quoted, but "some" and "plague" don’t seem like adjectives that would work well together.  Other than that, stupid retailers!  At least the guys that you quoted blame them and not the game industry.

  6. davc4 (stuff here) says:

    Nope Zippy it is definetly 18 here 😉

    Using 16 year olds seems a bit cheap but they are still breaking the law.

  7. Disco D says:

    Classic garbage British tabloid journalism. The headline screams scandal while using distortion to play on the readers fears ("Shops caught selling violent games and knives to children"). Teenage knife murders are a big thing here in the UK at the moment and the politicians are desperate to pin the blame on video games, rap music and movies as opposed to the real reasons of social inequality, the breakdown of law and order and a crumbling education system.

  8. Conejo says:

    i remember the time i was held up at "Copy of GTA"-point.  terrifying.

    also, when i was 8 i had a pocketknife GIVEN to me and was taught how to use it responsibly.

    Here are we — and yonder yawns the universe.

  9. koichan says:

    Funny thing is, i got ID’d buying a copy of GTA4 for my brother’s birthday last week …I’m 28 years old

    (for the record, my brother is 22)

    I find the UK shops to be very good for checking ID in my experience, if anything a little too good.

  10. BunchaKneejerks says:

    "Don’t these folks have anything better to do?"

    I suppose they could come on this site and post comments like yours. Would that make you feel better?

  11. Krono says:

    I’d imagine that the logic is to check to see if they’re strictly adhering to the law or not. Using people near the cutoff is theoretically the best way to check for laxness. They’re supposed to err on the side of caution, hence various stores here in the US carding anyone that looks to be younger than their late 20s or restricted purchases, or just plain carding everyone.


  12. Anonymous says:

    No, they don’t have anything better to do than prove you’re an idiot.  I love it.  Thanks for the apologies that I am getting via email, as GP readers are telling me I was right all along about this.  Jack Thompson 

  13. Jacky Tacky says:

    I am receiving apologies at *Retracted by EZK* as gamers are admitting I was right all along.

    Thanks for the encouragement!  Jack Thompson, Attorney and You’re a Nerd

  14. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Good lord I missed the UK blurb…but thats even mroe funy sicne 16 yearolds in the UK have more rights than thoes in the US…I mean they can have sex and get married…uhhgggg………

    *drownes in coffee*


    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  15. DavCube says:

    Newsflash, jerk:

    Don’t complain to Zelnick about UK matters. Complain to the the people selling the games in the UK. Zelnick is not personally responsible for out-of-touch, rule-breaking people behind counters all over the world.

    David "DavCube" Gagnon, User of Common Sense, and You’re Not.

  16. davc4 (xxxxx) says:

    I take it you posted this before you realised that this is the UK we were speaking about, 😉
    Im well aware of the US ratings as well.

  17. Anonymous says:

    That’s awful.  Has anyone tried to stop the madness?  I mean these people are at least as dangerous as crazed psychos who stalk women.

    Don’t these folks have anything better to do?

  18. Attack_Gypsy says:

    Oooooo… young people carrying knives. So scarey.

    I started carrying one when I was 12, and carried one until I got my gun permit at 18.

    Big deal.



    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. ~ Benjamin Franklin

  19. ZippyDSMlee says:

    "ESRB Rating: M (Mature) MMature: Contains content that is considered unsutiable for people under the age of 17. Titles in this category may contain violence such as blood sensual references and/or language. Examples for M games include Grand Theft Auto IV, No More Heroes (video game), and Fable.An example for M- is Halo:Combat Evolved. An example for M+ is Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas or Resident Evil. Many retailers (such as Target and Wal-Mart in the United States, Future Shop in Canada, and Best Buy in both countries) have a policy of not selling games with this rating to teenagers and others under the age of 17 without parental presence and approval.[1]"

    18?? I see no 18…… besides 16/18 the diffrance they both are still children, 18 being more recognized as a responsible maturing human.. in the US mind you


    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  20. Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    More lies about receiving apologies from gamers whose rights you are attempting to gut based on, meaningless shit like this.  Why the hell would anyone apologize to you necrophile?

  21. Kincyr says:

    your bullying is apparent.

    BTW, a nerd is a person who passionately pursues intellectual activities.

    岩「…Ace beats Jack」

  22. Father Time says:

    Dude that quote of yours probably holds the record for most butchered quote of all time. I’ve heard at least 12 different versions of it (and no the constant butchering of a quote in the same way does not qualify for the award).

  23. Father Time says:

    Yeha they sell manhunt 2 to a psycopath then give him half off on a knife and then they pretend to be shocked when he does something bad.

  24. Father Time says:

    What’s that some game stores sold games rated for 17 year olds to a 16 year old? HEAD FOR THE HILLS! RUN! RUN! (and yes I know in UK they are rated 18+).

    Oh and Jack if you read this please realise that this story has nothing to do with the ESRB or the success rate of the U.S.

    Anyway back to the article

    "The carrying of knives by some young people seems to be a plague at the moment."

    Yeah because if they’re carrying a knife they MUST be up to no good never mind that knives have probably hundreds of practical uses that are legal. Honestly who cares if they have knives on them? These people should take a clue from Switzerland

  25. Pug says:

    Apart from this councillor making a daft comment trying to connect games and knives there isn’t much of a story here.

    The sting was carried out to see if under 18’s could get hold of items that they shouldnt be able to.  Regardless of what that items were.  I dont think Trading standards are implying a link between knives and games, they are just conducting a test for both individually in different shops in Plymouth.  This is to test the training of the staff and the how well the law is being enforced in these sales.

    Silly Councillor has tried to turn it into a games link to crime story… and suceeded it would appear

  26. Pug says:

    No, They are trading standards… they are employed to check that traders stick to the standards :p

    it is unfortunate that the link has been made here between knife sales and game sales… both were just check as part of a check against selling to minors… im sure things such as alcohol and cigarettes are checked in this way often too… they just werent part of this story.

  27. Disco D says:

    In Britain councilors regularly use anti-terrorism surveillance powers to spy in people and prosecute them for letting their dog sh*t on the sidewalk. Think of the geekiest most irritating, anti-social and most picked-on kid from your school, grown up and legally given a fair degree of power. What would he / she do with that power? Abuse it of course to get their revenge on the world.

    Councilors / town hall officials in the UK are by and far worse than the politicians, and we have some pretty horrific politicians even by US standards.

  28. Dog Welder says:


    How about posting some of the "apologies" you’re getting?  Or are they just as imaginary as the "hundreds of supporters" who were signing your petition to get you on the ballot for Florida Bar President?

    And someone sending you an e-mail that says, "Sorry you’re retarded" don’t count.

  29. Zaruka ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    so let me get this straight they where investaging what type of stores where selling to underage kids okay okay but they where doing 25 stores for knifes and 9 stores for video games. Now let me ask one little fricken question why Would they compare the two together and post it in the same paper that is just asking for stuipedy and trouble

    my view is they use that info to try to push their own angenda



  30. Matthew says:

    This is not an attack, people. Trading Standards checked out a bunch of shops in a small area to make sure they weren’t breaking the law by selling age-restricted stuff to minors. The local newspaper reported the statistics. The article plays loose and fast when it comes to mixing the two stings – both sales are illegal, but one is much more serious than the other – but the results are there to be published.

    Regarding knives, knife crime is an incredibly hot topic in the UK at the moment. Carrying knives is illegal and there is no reason for a teenager to have one on his person in public.

  31. DavCube (can't log in) ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Of course the industry does nothing about the cashier’s wrongdoing. Because it’s the RETAILER’S responsibility to hand discipline down to the person that actually GAVE the game to the minor in the first place. That’s how a BUSINESS works. Duh.

    David "DavCube" Gagnon, User of Common Sense, and You’re Not.

  32. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    That’s some bullshit how they feature the games with the knives like Games+Knives+perfectly normal children/teens=SOCIOPATHIC RAPIST KNIFE MURDERER!


    Does the UK actually have a newspaper that isn’t written up by sensationalists?

    -Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007) Just to name a few…

  33. Dog Welder says:


    You do, of course, realize that the game MAKERS do not dictate to the retailers how they run their businesses, right?  If WalMart chooses to sell Grand Theft Auto to a minor, that is not the fault of Take Two or Rockstar.

    I am so sorry that I have to explain these elementary concepts to you, but then again you’ve spent and wasted your time failing miserably as a lawyer, so you are functionally, on these issues, retarded.  Dog Welder

  34. Dog Welder says:

    Translation:  "I got nothing but my overactive imagination."

    Jack, here a newsflash:  your legal career is circling the toilet because you never seem to have any actual evidence.

  35. Anonymous says:

    Of, but of course it has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on in this country.  The video game industry markets adult games to kids assiduously.  Then, responding to the marketing, they try to get them.  And when they get them, and it is shown by stings like this that they get them, the industry does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to rein in the retailers for their recklessness.

    If the video game industry, globally, was a responsible industry, then game makers and developers would withhold product from retailers who can’t seem to enforce the age ratings.

    I am so sorry that I have to explain these elementary concepts to you gamers, but then again you’ve spent and wasted your time playing games rather than learning anything useful, so you are functionally, on these issues, retarded.  Jack Thompson 

  36. DavCube says:

    We can’t really harrass them if we only know their names. Only the lifeless would spend the time to hack and find their e-mail addresses, "Anonymous." At least i SIGN my name.

    David "DavCube" Gagnon, Literate, and You’re Not.

  37. Chuma says:

    "Does the UK actually have a newspaper that isn’t written up by sensationalists?"

    The Financial Times?

    Seriously though, our tabloids are probably some of the worst in the world :/

  38. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    I’m sorry you are so functionally retarded on the issues of retail, grammar, being human, not being a lying piece of shit, keeping your job, law in general, and life. Fuck you.


    -Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! For information on games and psychology, look up: Jonathan Freedman(2002)Block & Crain(2007) Just to name a few…

  39. Matthew says:

    Either he doesn’t and will never see the difference, or he does and he just doesn’t care.

    This is the same guy who, back when GP was on LiveJournal, would check the “email me when someone replies” box and then threaten to sue for all the emails he received. The issue of the burden of responsibility is not one of his strong suits.

  40. Erik ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    It is obvious you didn’t pay attention to the story whatsoever Jackass.  But if you did you may take notice that this takes place in the UK.  A country which does have age enforced laws that you would, well Jack-off over.  Therefore if children are getting their hands on adult games it is not Take-Two’s fault, it is the governments for not doing THEIR job.  It is sad that we have to explain this stuff to you over and over again.


    But even on state side to expect that the manufacturer would have to punish retailers is assinine.  That is especially when the age based ratings of the ESRB have NO LEGAL BACKING WHATSOEVER.  Therefore if I so wanted to I could open up a game store and offer a deal of 50% off all M rated games to everyone 16 and younger and there is nothing you could do about it.


    Ain’t freedom just a thorn in your side Jack-ass?

  41. Chuma says:

    Very disappointing to see people selling 18 rated games to underage kids.  Yes I know that knives are dangerous and this is more scary, but it’s not an excuse for the retail industry not to be keeping its house in order.  However I repeat… RETAIL industry.  Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, HMV, Zavvi, WHS Smiths, Woolworths and all the other retailers that sell games are just as much to blame as Game, Gamestation, GamesXchange and the rest.

  42. Klokwurk ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    five of nine game retailers sold GTA to the undercover buyers while only two of 25 sold them knives.

    Game shops sell knives now? O_o

  43. NovaBlack says:

    see i think these ‘stings’ would have more weight when it was say a 12 year old buying the game.


    The fact they deliberately use 16 year olds is a bit misleading. I mean alot of 16 year olds LOOK 18. i mean i know its not the point, the sales were wrong. but i know what im trying to say.


    The ironic thing is that this is again taken completely out of social context.. why is there outrage that a 16 year old can buy GTA?

    in the uk a 16 year old can START A FAMILY. for gods sake we need to get priorities right. If a 16 year old is not responsible enough to buy gta, then how the **** is he/she responsible enough to bring a new life into the world?

    yeah, the games shouldnt have been sold. But im not gonna pretend to be outraged by something i dont see as a problem whilst there are far more pressing issues to look at.


    Its like complaining your about to get wet when it starts raining , whilst at the same time standing on a beach infront of a 100ft tidal wave speeding toward you. Get your priorities right uk! (and yes i am a uk resident!)


  44. kurisu7885 (can't log in) says:

    Are you so passionate about bullying that you took your hatred of nerds outside thre schoolyard and straight into adulthood?

    Also ,Zelnic is in no war responsible for international sales. As soon as the game shipment leaves distribution, it’s out of their hands.

  45. cube says:

    Rubbish… I live really near Plymouth…

    To be honest though, it’s full of yobs… I know a GP who works there and moans at me about how pretty much every patient is a pregnant teenager…

    Doesn’t surprise me… but damn… wasn’t planning of going to Plymouth unless I had to anyway…

  46. BunchaKneejerks says:

    Fellow Scot here as well and I’ve spent a lot of time in different parts Glasgow which has a tendency to be no- so-nice-a-place due to the level of poverty in some parts of the City.

  47. davc4(Coming up with asides till my mail server comes back) says:

    You can say what you like about me or my views,   I have no problem with you having a difference of opinon to me.
    But you must understand that here in the UK (Scotland if you want to be particular about it)  It is highly unacceptable to carry a gun without it being in your job remit for it. i.e. Some police officers can carry firearms etc.

    I feel a lot better knowing that the majority of the population do not have access to firearms and that the majority of people do not routinely carry knifes.  This is my personal perception and many others over here carry the same perception.

    This doesn’t seem like the case in the US but as such we are not arguing about the US here.

  48. davc4 (stuff) says:

    Regardless of your personal position, we are products of our environment, and your environment probably isn’t as hostile as others who would carry a knife if they were smart.

    I personally do not live in a nice area and have been attacked before but never with a weapon and im pretty glad my assailant never had a weapon or i may not be here now to be having this argument.

    I understand we do things sort of backwards here, but don’t get so pompous as to believe that everywhere is all tea and crumpets my friend.

    Wrong stereotype here,   im not an Englishman, whereas if you said drunk, tight fisted, skirt wearer you would be more on the mark. 

  49. d.vel.oper says:

    Oy, drink related violence you say? All the better reason to carry a knife. Also, the spam filter tripped up my response to the post you were agreeing with, and I can’t be arsed to repeat myself. Just know there’s a verbal flogging which will render your post null coming your way.


    Have at you then.

  50. Anonymous says:

    It does have some advantages – where I am the nightclubs in the city are a given staggered closing times. That allows the police to concentrate in the right area just where the crowds are gathered, and minimise problems.. seems to work quite well.

    Before the laws were relaxed they all had to finish at the exact same time, which was far harder to handle.


  51. BunchaKneejerks says:

    Agreed, what works in the US doesn’t mean it will work in the UK and vice-versa. Here is an example, in the UK there is a problem with alcohol abuse in our culture, some parties often look too mainland Europe and try adopting some of their approaches to fix it but the problem is that it doesnt address out cultures specific needs and causes of the problem. I mean 24 hour licencing was supposed to encourage better behaviour, instead of all the bars closing at one point in time and everyone drinking heavily to get those last rounds in it would allow people to pace themselves and not feel rushed and thus behave in a responsible manner. What happened? Folk just spend longer getting pished and there is the same amount of drink related violence.

  52. davc4 (stuff) says:

    Better not state what Billy says about peeps from my neck of the woods or i would probably be IP Banned.

  53. Kirkburn ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    I would have to ask you, then, how is a knife going to help you against someone drunk?

    Either they won’t notice the knife and attack you anyway, or two people will get hurt instead of one. Someone comes at you? Run away. It’s not cowardice.

  54. NovaBlack says:

    got to say i agree with davc4


    Ive lived for 25 years in the uk in a rough area, and NEVER ONCE have i NEEDED a weapon.


    in 25 years. 


    And like i said, i dont even live in a great neighbourhood.


    Everyone keeps ripping on the UK for knife crime, but statistically London STILL has roughly half the knife attacks per year of a similar city such as new york. It gets reported alot in the uk, because any carrying weapons is seen as bad over here. It just gets misreported that its at a ‘globally’ high level.  London is high compared to the uk average, but still lower than most other places.






  55. d.vel.oper says:

    Regardless of your personal position, we are products of our environment, and your environment probably isn’t as hostile as others who would carry a knife if they were smart. I understand we do things sort of backwards here, but don’t get so pompous as to believe that everywhere is all tea and crumpets my friend.

  56. lumi says:

    Selective reading much?

    "As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue."

    Sounds like wild conjecture completely unrelated to trading standards to me.

  57. Geryon says:

    Ummm… actually it was 9 stores tested for games and 25 for knives which to me shows they do have a greater concern for actual weapons.  It was 2 out of the 25 stores sold the knives and 5 out of the 9 sold GTA.

    P.S. – Sorry if this is a double post but my original didn’t seem to go up.

  58. BunchaKneejerks says:

    So are you saying that Trading Standards shouldn’t be investigating whether stores are illegally selling video games as well as knives, dvd’s and alcohol?

  59. beemoh says:

    Going against the grain [i]for the sake of[/i] going against the grain and assuming that you’re automatically right as a result is as bad as bias, if not worse.


  60. BunchaKneejerks says:

    No, I do not believe he was. This is not some conspiracy about games, it was trading standards ensuring that traders were behaving in a way that they are legally required too. If the story was about DVD’s and drink, no one would bat an eye lid, but throw video games into the mix and what do you get…

    "Ummm they are listing GTA along with knives? Someone see something wrong with this?"

    Yeah, I might be going against the grain here (oh woe is me if I have a problem with groupthink) but did you ever consider I’m actually right without letting your bias getting in the way,

  61. Krono says:

    I’d guessed that he wasn’t a member. My point was it was bad reporting on ya’ll end, as presumably the investigation included more than just knives and games. Yet those and a bit of speculation linking the two were pretty much all that was reported on.


  62. BunchaKneejerks says:

    That comment was not made by a member of Trading Standards. It was made by a Plymouth counciller. If you are going to draw a link between the two I could just as easily say that the reporter for that website asked for a comment from the counciller to increase the word count by a third.

  63. Krono says:

    No, he’s saying that they shouldn’t be making wild speculations on violent games being involved in knife issues. It’s rather outside the scope of the Trading Standards investigation.


  64. Krono says:

    Well, seeing as they only reported on those two things, and included a quote from a councilman that essentially blames problems with knives on games; I’d say some questioning of their motives is in order.


  65. Anonymous says:

     Seconded. It’s kinda depressing how this  site gets enraged by anything negative  said about games. Let’s not develop a persecution complex here.

  66. beemoh says:

    …of which only nine sold games.

    But then, that wouldn’t play up to your I-must-be-right-because-I-go-against-the-grain complex.

    Either way, he’s probably more commenting on Michael Leaves’ comments, rather than that of the sting.


  67. Squigs says:

    When we talk about “knives”, we could be talking about kitchen knives, where there is at least a reasonable possibility that they want kitchenware?

    What sort of knives are used in UK knife crime?

  68. Anonymous says:

    Ummm they are listing GTA along with knives? Someone see something wrong with this? Is the UK suggesting GTA has as great of a danger to teens as an actual weapon…….

  69. BunchaKneejerks says:

    Oh get a grip, its office of trading standards. Don’t you think its at all possible that they were investigating underage sales. But y’know that doesn’t play up to your persecution complex quite as well. So lets have a look at the article and see what it says…

    "34 shops were tested for their compliance with the law relating to underage sales."

    Wow, looks like I was right.

  70. Anonymous says:

    Each trading standards office isn’t very large and they have to cover a lot of stores.. having a handful of stores for a single investigation is pretty normal.  They regularly do these kinds of operations coverting drink, cigarettes, etc. and adding knives and games to the mix isn’t unexpected.

    They are there to enforce the law – and selling a game to someone underage is just as illegal as selling them alchohol or a kitchen knife.  Typically a first offence is only a warning (although for something like knives they may skip that and go straight to criminal prosecution).

    The headline does seem to be written in a rather odd way though… 2 out of 25 sold knives, which is progress IMO as it means 23 out of 25 didn’t..  The age limits on games are harder to enforce *precisely* because they’re not seen as so important – nobody ever got killed by a GTA-wielding youth.

    Another factor is that TS often target stores that they’ve had complaints about in the past, or who have failed such tests in the past, which tends to skew their results.


  71. davc4 (cant log in) says:

    I believe this was only done in the Plymouth area so hence why the sample size is so small.  They might well of targeted all the applicable stores in the area.

  72. Drazgal says:

    re The sample size


    This was carried out by the Plymouth Trading Standards officers, nine stores probably means they checked all the major stores selling computer games. This isn’t ment to be a nation wide survey but just one of Plymouth.

  73. ZacharyMiner says:

    I didn’t know you needed to be a certain age to buy a knife – maybe the laws are different in England.

    Also, 9 stores is a pretty small sample size. The survey done in America sampled many different retailers and the spread was from 8%-60%, depending on which one was being examined at the time. The results aren’t good, to be sure, but they might just be an artifact.

  74. Chuma says:

    Even when guns were not outlawwed, carrying them certainly was.  And knives are not banned either, just carrying them (or at least carrying them on your person, concealed and if they are offensive – obviously a well wrapped chef’s knife in your bag is fine for the purposes of cooking).

    If you think "toting a knife" is a sign of an advanced culture, I pity you.

  75. Pug says:

    Everyone having a gun is obviously the answer! how did we miss it, I mean look at the US, everyone having a gun has completely stopped crime.

    To be honest I’d rather have a knife crime problem (which we dont really have) than a gun crime problem.

    Most people in the Uk dont carry knives, and we dont need to. As another poster said, it appears to be a different mindset here. 

  76. davc4 (awaiting registration email) says:

    and you would be breaking the law as well,  we have a completly different mindset over here and as such the carrying of a knife is basically a thing you don’t do.
    I have never carried a knife and never will and dont feel any less safe because of this.

  77. d.vel.oper says:

    Well, you silly bints decided to outlaw guns. Self-defense is a real part of life, anywhere you go. I’m not a big fan of guns, but it doesn’t mean I don’t own one. If guns were outlawed here, and I were a kid (who couldn’t find a gun connection, I mean, I know I live in the US, but it can’t be THAT hard, stiff upper lip and all that) I guess I’d be toting a knife.

  78. Brokenscope says:

    UK citizens are not trusted with anything that could be used as a weapon. Any type of knife really. I’m waiting to hear about increased restrictions on newspapers next.

  79. Krono says:

    There is virtually no need for a knife in the modern urban setting

    You’d be surprised at how handy it can be to have a good cutting tool at hand. I usually carry my pocket knife with me, and it comes in for a fair assortment of uses.


  80. davc4 (xx) says:

    Im not suggesting the US gets rid of their guns that is a decision for you guys to make, 
    Here it is simply not an option the general populace is against people owning guns so hence our views over the subject.

    With regards to knifes in general people who carry them here are up to no good,  some exceptions are people like chefs or people who use stanley knife etc. for thier work but these people should not be carrying their knifes around with them.   There is virtually no need for a knife in the modern urban setting,  I have never needed to use one outside of the home so why should i be allowed to carry a weapon around with me when i have no physical need for one.

    These are my opinons and they are quite widespead throughout the UK.

  81. Father Time says:

    "I mean look at the US, everyone having a gun has completely stopped crime."

    If you honestly think all or even most of the people in the U.S. own guns well then your perceptions are probably influenced by stereotypes because that isn’t the case. Also I don’t think one action, even one such as ‘all citizens must have concealed carry’ would stop crime. Oh and I can point to your laws as not stopping crime either.

    Now before we go any further let me point out that it would be a LOT harder to get rid of guns here than the U.K. This is due to the guns we all ready have, the amount of people who like guns and since the U.S. is really big it’d be harder to keep people from smuggling guns or secretly making them (just look at our succsess rate keeping weed out of the U.S.)

  82. Anonymous says:

    "There is virtually no need for a knife in the modern urban setting"

    So, basically you don’t want to cut food then huh?

  83. BunchaKneejerks says:

    We Brits have evolved to the stage where we are bwyond your reliance on primitive forms of cutlery. We cut our food with razor sharp wit.

  84. DexX ( User Karma: 0 ) says:

    Help!  A youthful hooligan just stabbed me with a GTA4 disc!

    Jesus, what are these people thinking?  It’s like reporting that police searched a serial killers house and found ten severed heads and a copy of Playboy.

  85. sortableturnip says:

    Haven’t you seen that sequel of Hellraiser where the guy would slice people in two with CD’s…It could happen…

  86. Shadow Darkman Anti-Thesis of Jack Thompson says:

    Well shit. We were gonna take bets on how long it would be until Jack came on here, but the dumbass beat us to the FALCON PUNCH. Oh well. There’s always next time.

    Shadow Darkman and "Locnil Fignirf" – Sane Human Church-Goers, And Jack Is Going To Burn



  87. Anonymous says:

    "As for violent video games, I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue. Everyone who sells these games must take extra care to ensure they only sell them to those who can legally buy them."

    So wait, are we using one man’s personal opinion as the basis for whom retail stores are allowed to do business with?

  88. davc4 says:

    Just FYI it is illeagal for anything rated 12+ to be sold to anyone under that age.  This is the retailers at fault here and are liable for a fine for doing so.

    This is completely different to the "stings" in the US because here they are looking at retailers breaking the law in selling products to people who are not allowed to buy said product.

  89. Shoehorn O'Plenty says:

    Yes, I’m terrified that my son or a member of my family will walk down the street and encounter someone weilding a copy of GTA… Do these people have any priorities at all?

    Then we have this Councillor invoking the irrefutable power of opinion! "I believe they must have a detrimental influence on any children who play them and I would not be at all surprised if there was not a connection with the knife crime issue." Well Councillor, I believe that violent games have no detrimental influence on children and I would be surprised if there were a connection with knife crime. Which of us is right? Maybe it’s him because he made a much bigger leap in reasoning.


  90. Joseph4th says:

    Anybody have the data for last years stabbing deaths inflicted by software? 

    Seriously, its dangerous stuff. I cut my finger trying to open a video game package just last week. Cardboard cuts hurt.

  91. davc4 (Awaiting Registration Email) says:

    Doesnt matter as they are all rated 18,  but esentially this is just testing out whether or not stores are not sticking to the law by selling underagers products which they shouldnt be allowed to purchase.

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