Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

September 17, 2008 -

The man behind the Muslim Massacre controversy seems unwilling to relinquish his 15 minutes of fame. Although Eric Vaugh issued a widely-reported apology for his game, the object of which is "wipe out the Muslim race," he now claims that the apology was a scam.

We know because Super Columbine Massacre RPG creator Danny Ledonne, himself no stranger to controversy, has shared with GamePolitics an e-mail conversation with Vaughn which took place on September 15th:

Danny Ledonne: It is too bad that you pulled your game simply because some people didn't understand your political message (I for one gleaned a satirical criticism of Bush's foreign policy from "Muslim Massacre" whether you had intended it or not)... I believe by complying with demands of censorship toward the Danish cartoon depicting the prophet Muhammad and games like "Muslim Massacre," we are enabling a culture of taboos that are ultimately unproductive in cross-cultural dialogue...

While I recognize my serious/satire game "Super Columbine Massacre RPG!" merely pissed off a vocal but benevolent PTA instead of Muslim extremists... it is disheartening whenever an artist (however amateur or vulgar) raises the white flag at the first sign of social disapproval...

Eric Vaughn: The apology was actually fake. I put the site back up shortly after. Now the media is in a total bind and doesn't know what to believe.I was just f***ing with everyone the entire time and have had great success.

[GP: Indeed, the Muslim Massacre site, which had been down, is back up]

Danny Ledonne: Erg. I get it. But I don't. I mean, you have an actual message ( I presume?) and I think you could legitimately stand behind it. Please don't tell me you're just another Ryan Lambourn... doing it for "the lulz." If I were you, I would define success as the opportunity to think more critically about the elements your game addresses...

Eric Vaughn: Not exactly, basically my message was the Muslims need to suck it down and stop getting offended by everything. If they learnt to just ignore people, things would be better. It's not just a message for Muslims, it's for people in general. There are people all around the world who will do things that make you mad. If you search for them, they are easy to find. Just get on with your life.

GP: Readers may recall that Ryan Lambourn, mentioned by Ledonne, created the execrable V-Tech Rampage last year (see: V-Tech Rampage Creator Demands Payment to Remove Game).

By the way, Playing Columbine, Danny Ledonne's film detailing the controversy surrounding his game, will be screened at the AFI FEST in Los Angeles later this year. We'll have review of the film coming up on GamePolitics in the near future.


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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

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YES.

Now I don't have to get off my ass for the important shit anymore!

Whats next, ordering pizza from Xbox live?

Wait... I think that sounds like a good idea.

But I think voting should MAKE you get off your ass, and see outside or a second while you go vote. I mean, your picking the president of the United States of America for God's Sake... least you can do is drive down there and punch out a card.

 

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Getting to know all about these things, I feel that if I can make a game the way I want, not matter how offencive other people find it, if I can make a game the way I want and know the real message I try to portray, then I can stand up against those people who are offended by my game but I can point out if or if not they had accturley played the game at all.

If we are going to stand up for what we believe in when we make our Videogames, we also have to know how to be strong in doing it even against an angry mob of people.

This is how Rockstar is still alive because they never had bowed down to political pressure

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

You will also note that Rockstar doesn't lampoon the Islamic faith in its games.

Yes, some Muslims are easily offended, but then everybody has their bad days. Why take the piss? What's the point? Everyone knows that toddlers can be irritable, grumpy, and unsociable - would anybody try and discipline a toddler? Or reasoning with them? They have to grow older and mature, then only will they be capable of controlling their emotions when someone takes their favourite toy.

Please note I'm using this as an analogy, not a metaphor.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Being easily offended is not a survival trait in today's world, whether you are an individual or an entire culture.

Granted, the need to have a thick skin is evidence that the human race as a whole has become more prone to offensive behavior, but that doesn't change the fact that people who are easily offended by every damn thing really need to lighten up.

If you let someone "wind you up" (as the British say) over the slightest things, they can control you.  They can make you stop thinking rationally and react emotionally.  This does not help anyone, especially the person or group being offended.

There is a difference between seeing something and thinking, rationally, that it is tasteless and disgusting, and deciding not to look at it or buy it or whatever, and reacting emotionally by frothing at the mouth while threatening to sue, kill, dismember, or even ruin credit ratings.

Let us not forget that satire is the first form of political protest, and often the most powerful.  If history teaches us anything, it's that satire should be protected at all costs.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

This isn't satire, it's some guy who made a game to upset people because he's upset at people getting upset at things. ...

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

I wish mr Vaughn all the luck in the world.

I will also mention to him that there will be riots and death threats over this...

I hope he doesn't get killed but without a real apology I doubt he will survive... seriously there are some crazy people out there...

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Bad Games create by  animal person

do what you want silly

it's just games no anybody care to your game

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

he will see what muslims will do!!

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

What if he also creates a game where muslims can kill americans? He can have both games uploaded in the same site and shut up people.

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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

So wait... he's annoyed by people who are offended by things, so he makes something to... offend people. Maybe if the world weren't inundated with immature, ignorant dickweeds like him around, people wouldn't have reason to be up in arms all the time.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Kajex is the one thats right.

People just need to suck it up and move on.

Dont like it Dont play or watch it

 

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

FAIL.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Wait a second, why is Danny Ledonne a reliable source?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

You don't have to believe a word I say, Mister Anonymous.  But I put my name to my word and I think the corroborating evidence (ie "Muslim Massacre" being back online) seems to validate my claim.  If you'd like, email Eric yourself and ask him if we have emailed.  In fact, post the conversation here.  Then I can question if "Anonymous" is a reliable source.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

You know who else loved the "oh ho, what big balls ANONYMOUS has" non-argument? Jack Thompson.

You're a vapid, sensationalist hack whose fifteen minutes can't pass soon enough.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Hmmm.  Jack Thompson and I have a few things in common though we seem to be in disagreement on most issues.

Anonymous, you are more than welcome to email me if you have something substantive to tell me.  Or I suppose you can continue to anonymously troll the Net and lob insults at someone you've never met and haven't bothered to talk to.  In either case, you wouldn't be the first and won't be the last.

And in Web 2.0, the "fifteen minutes" formula does not apply; we all make our own time here.  I suggest you make some of your own instead of bemoaning mine.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

"something substantive to tell me."

Wait, you also are a sysop at Conservapedia?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

I had never been to Conserapedia before.  I just spent an agonizing hour there... and I want that hour back.  Sadly, it is lost forever.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

*Conservapedia

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

He was also attacked for making Super Columbine Massacre RPG a while back. He and Jack got into it if I recall.

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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

I respect this guy. Yeah, he made an offensive game. And that's fine. If we can have black people in our nation rapping about cop killing and supposed white supremacy, and if we can have "Carlos Mencia" on a stage portraying white and black people negatively, then we can have a video game that isn't hurting anybody as a way of saying "yeah, this is offending you, now grow a pair!"

Honestly, when have overzealous muslim NOT been anal over the smallest of transgressions? Some chick names a class teddy bear "----------"- the zealots come in and threaten to execute her. Some comic features ------- with a bomb-turban- half the muslim world proves the point with a violent reaction that scares the entire world for about 3 months.

So you'll excuse me when I say "god bless you" to this guy for not bending down just because it MIGHT offend somebody. The world USED to be an alright place that wouldn't stab you just for a generalization, but if it's getting to where we have to censor ourselves fearfully while not censoring similar things, then maybe his game DOES have a point.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

So, because one small subset of the global set of Muslims are overzealous, it's ok to make a game about killing all of them?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

In a word? Yeah. You have hundreds of other entertainers and businesses who do the exact same thing- creating entertainment at the expense of other people by making blanket statements.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

This guy just proved to us that he is doing it for controversy sakes. Even if he rick-rolled again, if won't change our opinion about him. As far as I concern, he is just a immature person who wants to laugh at people who get offended, even though they have a good reason.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

The game is hard at level 3. They send suicide bombers at you and they are fast.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

BEHEAD THE INFIDEL!!!  

 

Sorry, I had to do it.  But honestly, I hope this kid enjoys hidding for the rest of his life in fear.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Al-Qaeda's going to have a field day with him.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

Any group large enough is going to have at least one asshole. When you add the Internet to the mix, this is the result, though far from the only, or most glaring one.

I don't know who's more pathetic, the people who make these things or those who draw attention to it, no offence to GP, but it's blogs such as this that Vaughn and others rely on for their lulz, and the more attention these things garner, the more impotent non-entities will try and get 'fame' by being offensive.

We've spent several years as a group coping with someone causing offence purely for his own self-promotion, I think it's time the Internet, as a culture, wised up to the trick.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

That fooled me.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator: My Apology Was Fake

TROLL. Simple as that.


Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

 So I was completely fooled when I saw this as a satire on American foriegn policy... It was just an asshole that thinks video games are more fun when you're killling Muslims and they don't like it....

oy vey

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

He just finds the reaction of the entire world population to his offensive game funny which I totally find excellent.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Danny Ledonne might speak for the intellects, but the easily offended idiots aren't going to care to understand what Danny means. Eric deals with the idiots though. If he makes them feel stupider than they are already, then maybe they'll grow a goddamm brain. I'M LOOKING AT YOU FOX NEWS!

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

There is delicious irony when someone claims someone else is "stupider" (or, "feel stupider")... Makes me feel.... well a bit more stupid every time I see that abomination of a word that's gotten into the English language :P

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

"I'm stel not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Awesome! So you try to direct an insult at me because I used the word stupider instead of the more grammatically acceptable word unintelligent or intellectually challenged. You then try to insinuate that there is irony because I used that word in an attempt to anger me. LOL!

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Direct an insult? Nope. If you took it as such, then maybe you're taking things a bit too personal. Relax & chill out dude. Get a grip, and stuff...

And, if you looked at my message, I used the more "grammatically correct", which is not the same as "big freaking word politically correct" like you did. However, as I pointed out, "stupider", unfortunately, has actually made it ino the English language, despite the broken nature of the word (as opposed to the correct "more stupid")

"I'm not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

"I'm stel not responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors." -- Xlorep DarkHelm

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

I'm not taking this personal at all. I just find it funny that you were offering me a critique on using the word stupider, and I assumed you were trying to insult me because I took the side that was morally unacceptable by the majority. That's what seems to happen when I agree with the views of internet trolls.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Who cares what he tells the press or what he says his message is.  It's a video game, it speaks for itself.  

Le Done: "Blabbity blee, don't you think you should be a man of principles and stand out blurbal von blurby blab?"

It don't matter if his intended message was to make Michael Jackson president, he made the game the way he made it.  Anyone who wants to get caught up in the intended meaning and stick behind or criticize it, is doing it for their own entertainment and nothing more.

 

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

In all fairness, it's easy for everyone on this board to critisize Muslims for being easily offended, but remember Invaders! Yeah, quite a few Americans decided to act all offended at that too. You're not all thick skinned yourself.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

I actually wasn't offended by that at all.  But then I look at art as a very wide spectrum of ways for a person, or people, to express thoughts, ideas, and emotions about themselves, or the world around them.  If you don't agree with something, you are just as free to make your opinion known, or even make art that contradicts or goes against the other.

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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

"invaders"?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

I've got to agree with the creator Eric.

 

I really fail to understand how on the news they report "the troops stormed a building a muslim holy site..." on damn near a daily basis.

They get up in arms about every little thing and the media reports on it but meanwhile if it's Christians or Jewish people complaing the media ignores it.

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

"if it's Christians or Jewish people complaing the media ignores it."

I ... don't think that's true. What complaints from these groups do you think are being ignored?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Jack Thompson?

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Possibly because you're at war with a predominantly Muslim country?  If the world were turned upside-down and America went to war with Israel you'd hear about some synagogue raids.  (Took you at face value here; if you were trying for sarcasm, I missed it.)

And there's always the annual war-on-Christmas stories to look forward to in December.  Fill in the location: "Rabbi Protests Christmas Trees In ______."

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Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Not exactly, basically my message was the Muslims need to suck it down and stop getting offended by everything.

 

Right.  Because the best way to communicate cross-culturally is to mock the other culture and tell them to just 'suck it down' and 'get over it'.

Or you know, you could not do stupid shit for the sake of pissing them off...then act surprised when they get pissed off.

"I poked this huge hornet nest with a stick today, and the damn bees actually came out and stung me!  WTF!  Those dumb ass bees should just accept being poked with sticks, because I'm not going to stop."

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Accutally when I'm trying to mow the lawn and they decide to bury their hive in the ground of personal property without permission from the person who owns the property then yeah the bees can go ($%^ off.

 

This has nothing to do with the story but I did get gang stung by bees one time when just trying to mow the lawn.  I can't blame the bees but at the same time I wasn't trying to kill them or anything I was just mowing the grass.

 

T_T  So think before you talk Liekos.

 

 

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Many extremist muslims are very hypocritical in that sense though. They simply make fun of and rally against anything different that we do, but then complain when we make fun of them. Granted, it's the extreme haters that make fun of us, and the non-haters that complain about being made fun of, but as long as that stereotype is shown by the media, people will keep telling them to "suck it down."

Re: Muslim Massacre Creator Tells Super Columbine's Danny

Exactly, they are the ones that have and recite the the holy book that contains phrases such as:

"Have no unbelieving friends, kill unbelievers wherever you find them"

"Jews are the greediest of all mankind, they would like to live 1000 years but the fire shall be their home"

"Allah will torment Christains in the fire saying 'where are my partners whom ye imagined' "

And we are meant to respect those beliefs? Who gives them the right to have a free pass?

 
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