Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy Treaty

September 23, 2008 -

The governments of the United States, Canada, European Union, Japan and other countries are negotiating an anti-piracy agreement that could have a massive impact on digital media consumers.

And they're doing it in secret.

At issue is the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). As Ars Technica reports, public interest advocacy groups Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Public Knowledge have filed suit in federal court against the U.S. Trade Representative, a part of the executive branch. The suit is essentially a demand for information about ACTA and is based upon the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Art Brodsky of Public Knowledge told Ars:

We believe they should conduct these negotiations with some transparency for what goes on, particularly when the talks are transparent to one side and not to the other (us). At a minimum, we should know how the US delegation is formulating its positions and have access to what they are doing.

Meanwhile, p2pnet reports criticism of ACTA by Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) counsel David Fewer:

If Hollywood could order intellectual property laws for Christmas, what would they look like? This is pretty close.

Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA) has also expressed concern about ACTA:

Because ECA supports the balance that must exist between the rights of copyright owners and the right of copyrighted material consumers, we do not think it wise to include any portions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) currently being discussed by the US Trade Representative (USTR) and the Department of Commerce. 

 

We are concerned that any DMCA language in ACTA may cause enormous, unforeseen negative implications in US law.  That is why ECA, together with the Consumer Electronics Association, the US Internet Industry Association, Intel, Yahoo, Verizon and others, sent a memo asking the USTR to carefully consider that any discussions of “Internet issues” in ACTA be carefully circumscribed, consistent with U.S. law, and not include any portions of the DMCA.

FULL DISCLOSURE DEPT: The ECA is the parent company of GamePolitics.


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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

This reminds me of the last bill that was attempted to be passed in secret in the USA:  the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.  This act, which was written by a few members of the democrat party along with La Razza and (attempted to be) pushed in secret, would have made 12 million illegal immigrants legal, and give them citizenship if they paid a pittance of the benefits they had received for free back to the government.  George W. Bush, who should've have called bullshit on this, supported it, once they added an amendment so that he could have funding for a 700 mile fence along the Mexican Border. 

Of course, the real goal of this bill was corporate interest; an easy 12 million people willing to work legally for minimum wage or illegally for less, as long as they had a job.  Many senators voted for this bill, against public opinion and the opinion of their constituents, among them BARACK OBAMA, JOSEPH BIDEN, AND JOHN McCAIN.

Nearly 80% of people in America were against this bill, and during the time it was being voted on, I couldn't go out for a beer or a steak without hearing people (rightfully) furious about the bullshit occurring in Washington DC. 

For the voting record, click http://www.nclr.org/content/resources/detail/48729/.

 

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Can we please just wipe this entire comments section, move all the comments somewhere else to continue the JT discussion and start fresh? Is that possible? All this crap about JT is taking away from the actual article. =\

You guys need to shut the

You guys need to shut the fuck up. Nothing will stop piracy.

 

Don't bother replying to me because I won't go back to this hillarious article.

Re: You guys need to shut the

This post reminds me of all those people who phone up polls to register their "I don't know".  If you have nothing to say, sometimes it would be better to remain silent.

Re: You guys need to shut the

Most of what I've read is dumb shit anyways probably coming from parents who don't know jack shit.

Re: You guys need to shut the

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt

 

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

 Ya know, I have a feeling that this guy is a mere troll.  I mean, I could end up posting here as "Fred Phelps" or another nutbag of the Westboro Baptist Church, and say something mean like "Finland is going to hell because they did not obey god's word."  But I'm not that much of a jerk.

 

On topic, I hope groups like the EFF win in court.  That kind of Treaty actually bypasses our Constitution since it's made on a Global scale.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Dude, Jack's always been two stones-throw's away from being a member of that cult to begin with. Only in a way, he's worse, because he's actually a hypocrite to what he preaches.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

It actually doesn't.  Nothing on a global scale is currently allowed to violate sovreignty of a nation.  We are not bound by any decisions the UN makes, or by any treaties or protocols that are made on an international level.  The most we can do is have our congress ratify it and then try to make it into law. 

For example, President Clinton agreed with the Kyoto Protocol, and said that the US is behind it.  That went to Congress (Democratically controlled at the time) which turned down the measure to sign onto the Kyoto Protocol.  Years later, this decision was held up by Bush.  It was an international agreement, one which the US was a part of, but because our congress decided not to sign on to it (and for good reasons) we were not and are not bound to it.

So basically, we can huff, puff, posture, and protest this thing as much as we want right now, but it won't make a difference in it being made.  However, for it to actually be implimented in the US it has to be ratified by the Congress and approved by the President (and then upheld by the Supreme Court seeing how something like this will definatly go to court).  If it gets made into law in the US without going through that process, then I say let the revolution against big brother begin.

 

I'm fairly certain this is the process that things like this must go through.  If I'm at all wrong, then please correct me.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

let me make sure i have this correct

 

JT posts his contact information in a story which is absolutly not about him, between EZK and Dennis they delete such contact information when they see it and tell him not to post his contact information

people catch this contact information before it's deleted and send him an email

game politics is guilty of innitiating contact between joe schmoe internet and JT?

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

So, we know where he lives and how to get in contact with him and yet no one has attacked him yet despite us all training on murder simulators, maybe he's got some madd ass ninja skills!!!! Either that or he's wrong about gamers and that can't possibly be true.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Yea, pretty much.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

time to sing that song then...

 

Yo, ho, haul together,
hoist the colors high.
Heave ho,
thieves and beggars,
never shall we die.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Buying Media: For chumps since the advent of broadband.
Every time you buy anything you fund this crap and the lawyers that make this crap possible.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Some men have died
and some are alive
and others sail on the sea
with the keys to the cage...
and the Devil to pay
we lay to Fiddler's Green!

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

You know they have a forum for off topic discussions right? Jesus people read the article.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

JT killed it, but there isn't much else to say about this that hasn't been said I dont believe...  Mainly, this is BS, government should be more transparent, no real logical non-greed motive, prolly trying to force canada into stuff they dont want to do more than anything hopefully, rather than screw over canada and everyone else even worse.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

John Bruce,

I think it's you that needs to do some remedial studying in law if you think what goes on here passes as libel.  Calling a person a bad name, and calling them out for being a complete douche bag (which there is more than enough proof on this site alone, not to mention your disbarment trial, actions you've taken aginst groups like Penny Arcade, and this site, and now the FBI even rejects your calls) is not libel.  See, for any of this to be libel, it would have to be false, and we can easily show that what we are saying here is not false. 

 

Shouldn't you put your energies into, you know, keeping your law licence rather than barking like a small dog at a few people on an internet news blog?

 

You're the reason people hate lawyers.  You're an ambulance chaser, you belittle tradgedy for your own gain, and you get what you want by whining and strong arming people with the wrong end of the law.  You show no regard for the status of your position, or the laws which you're supposed to uphold and adhere to.  The worst thing I can say about you would be that you're a hypocrite, to the highest degree.  Say hello to the florida bar for me.

 

-Thomas McKenna

Resident of Los Angeles, CA

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Amen...now let's eat!

Zen aka Jeremy Powers
Editor and Host of the Zenspath Podcast (now on iTunes)
www.ZensPath.com
XBL: "PsychoticZen" PSN: "Zenspath"
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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

ooooooooooooh, i'm so scared.  The scary lawyer who wins every case and is the head of the Floridea bar is gonna sue for criticizing him.  Ooh. i'm so scared.  NOT!

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

I just need to keep thinking to myself "Only a few more years in Canada", and everything feels better. Sweden, anyone?

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Are comments made by crazy people outlawed there? haha

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

In Sweden? Nah not as far as I can recall... but Blond chicks on the other hand win.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Wow, JT is going nuts on this post, and it has nothing to do with him.

Jack, I take your threat as a speck of nothing, It's just words, nothing else.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Honestly, Thompson can't stand it when GP talks about him, so he has to come into the topic and make it about him, sad isn't it?

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

doesn't talk about him.*  Typos, oi.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Oh shut up.

You think threatening people's schools is clever? You're no better than the people you claim to be trying to stop, all you want to do is destroy those who you don't agree with, which is exactly what Klebold, Harris and Cho wanted to do. The irony is, the only person you are destroying is yourself.

You are scum.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

That was a reply to Jack, btw, seems the post got deleted while I was replying to it :)

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Notice to GamePolitics, Dennis McCauley, ECA, Hal Halpin, and all posters here at GP:

This site is being used, once again, to orchestrate violations of federal criminal statute 47 U.S.C. 223(h)(1).

Please consider yourselves warned, and do govern yourselves accordingly. 

Jack Thompson

 

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Bullshit, Jack. Please give our collective asses a greeat big friggin' kiss. Enjoy disbarment!

John David Dunn, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.

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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Bring it Jack. I dare you. Sue me.

You are a pathetic, whining little excuse of a human being. You are nothing more than a sad little pretend lawyer who chases ambulences and massacres, harping against societies newest controversial media spotlight. First gays, then rap music, then gays again, then shock radio, gays once more, video games, and now video games and gays. Good bye to your license you idiot.

James Fletcher @ Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

HarmlessBunny@yahoo.ca

 

Go ahead, Jack. Make my day.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

"Obscene or harassing telephone calls in the District of Columbia or in interstate or foreign communications"

I copied that verbatim from the link you provided. No one is harassing you here, or rather, no one WOULD be harassing you if you kept to your own business. little jackie hasn't had a story about himself on GP for a while, so he has to troll and flame everyone else in here? seriously? Get a life, John

Michael Muhleck, Sane human and you're not.


Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Sure it is, keep telling yourself that Thompson, maybe it'll come true, though honestly, it won't.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Notice to GamePolitics, Dennis McCauley, ECA, Hal Halpin, and all posters here at GP:

that includes you too, dipshit

岩「…Ace beats Jack」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

I love the way he identifies GamePolitics as a seperate entity from Dennis and it's posters, as though it goes out partying at weekends or something.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Hey now, GP is a cool guy. 

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Like all of the other times you have brought this up, you will fail.  Once again, we are not worried.

 

For fucks sake, I go to work and when I come back the cheese rocketed off Jack's cracker.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh good luck trying to get me then bitchface... GOOD LUCK

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

OOOOO...more baseless threats!

Jack, did you actually read that statute that you posted?  Nothing here on this website could be construed as "obscene" in any manner, and that includes me calling you a fuckface and a fucking retard.

Bring the lawsuit, bitch.

P.S. I know you won't because you're nothing but a fucking coward.

Re: To John Bruce "Jack" Thompson

1.) Sue me for it (especially since you are getting disbarred)
2.) That is for a personally owned service (Phone, cell phone, email, your own website, your private account such as on myspace/facebook/so on)

Any GOOD lawyer would be able to fight you against that buddy, and you would lose.  Even if it was a personal use of something online, especially email.  You have to prove it was the person and not someone who hacked their account, which for all you know this site has poor securty, because we all know you know very little about the internet in the first place. PLUS we can easily prove you are here to annouy us far more easily than you can say were are hear to do such to you, and the site owner could press charges against you for using a site not meant for you to troll their boards of communication.

We know the owners of this site will support us over you, therefore giving you even less grounds to stand on.  Plus the deletion of your posts is a sign that you are not welcome here.  Ignoring that could be stated as just being stupid, but I am saying here and now, you are not welcome here, leave, do not come back.  We do not wish you to ever again post on these boards of communication, and by doing so would be to knowingly be posting in an area where you are not wanted by the community, and obviously the host due to certain ads directly stating that this site is against you, not for you to rabble on with your threats of legal suits.

Just like you can ignore this post, you can ignore the other posts about you.  You are not being forced to read this posts, and they are the opinions of the people who have posted them, half of which have researched your legal history and have grounds for suggesting that you may have psychological problems, including being mentally ill.

Yes, we want you to disappear, and some of us slip up and say we want you to be dead.  Do we mean that? No, we do not really want to physically harm you, we much rather do something that would humiliate you in public.  I rather you go live in Iran for 5 years and leave us alone, because you are wasting space on these boards of communication when we are having conversations about topics in a industry we are passionate about because we support what they do, which is what this site is for mostly, with a rare case of companies ripping off their consumers with things like DRM, like you are ripping us off time in our lives for even dealing with you because you are posting in an area where you are not wanted.

Have I ever said I wanted to kill my parents or for my parents to be dead?  Yes, because at some times they get to me where I think that, but I don't actually mean it.  If I sent a letter in the mail saying, I am going to kill you in your sleep, that would be a death threat, saying I wish I could kill him with his pillow in his sleep, is a great idea for a video game, because it could help people vent their frustrations against you without actually harming you, but that shows they which they could, which means they morally are choosing not to, or they know it is against the law and wont, like me.  If it was legal, people would have taken pretty good attempts at your life buddy, but same goes to a lot of people in this world, even me, haha.

Have I heard my father say he was going to kill me when I was younger and ticked him off? Yes.  Have you heard your father say the same thing?  Most likely, unless your parents were hippies...  Normally hippie parents don't make those threats, nor homosexual male parents due to lack of levels of aggression.  I even heard on the radio a couple days ago where parents were venting, and said they wish they could kill their kids, but did they mean it, not they love them, and a part of many of us here really do care about you Jack, and dont actually want anything bad to happen to you, we just get sick of your antics.  Personally, I would try and stop someone from trying to kill you even.  Why? Because I don't want actually physical harm to happen to you, other than seeing you kicked in the balls by some guy in a easter bunny outfit, because it would be funny, but I would even like to see that happen to Will Wright, Dennis, or almost anyone else here, in the industry, or anywhere else in the world honestly, haha.

My sister has said she was going to kill me before too, though she never tried.  So all in all, we are like family, and you are the family member we can't stand, wish we could kick the crap out of, but still as a fellow human care about you enough to never actually do it.

Okay, so who wants to wear the bunny suit and hop over to Jacks house and see if he will let us YouTube the video?

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

I've said it once, I've said it many times:

Come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough.

I'm ready to introduce a couple of hunderd pages of evidence against you in my defense.  I've been waiting for over two years.

I'm even MORE unimpressed with your threats than I am with your public appearances.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

I'm with you on that one.  He keeps making the same threats to people, but just lurks back into the shadows, shaking his fist like it means a damn thing.  It drives me nuts to live in the same state and realize that SOMEBODY had a lapse of judgement (or maybe was playing a videogame) when they signed him off as a lawyer.  That or it was a charity event and they felt sorry for him.  Either way, he would be biting off more than he can chew...even with that MASSIVE mouth of his...if he comes after anybody on this site for the crap he is claiming.  And to prove how little I am actually worried by him, I will start (as I've been doing for some of the recent posts) adding my actual name and email address here.  I have NO problem, and actualy feel honored, being counted among the gamers here. 

Zen a.k.a. Jeremy Powers
Zen@Zenspath.com

Zen aka Jeremy Powers
Editor and Host of the Zenspath Podcast (now on iTunes)
www.ZensPath.com
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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

FYI - I am feeding on you Zen, haha. RSS

Have at it Jackie oh boy.

mdwillruletheday@yahoo.com

Alan Thorn

PS - That is the email for all of my junk/casual mail from people like Jack.  If I get a casual email address again, then I will post it instead for Jack.  I don't need legal BS in my family or business email accounts.  Once I get my site going for my other side business, I'll give you that email, because I have a feeling Jack-o will be talked about on it more often than I would like.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Oh noes, Florida's most inept lawyer is threatening to sue us!

Careful people or he might joke about giving money to charity again, or harass someone’s mother/wife/friends/family, or claim games kill people based on NOTHING, or tell us of how he was on sixty minutes, or fail at another case, or throw more ineffective threats/lies/insults, or sulk when he doesn't get his way.

Eh, that's odd, for some reason I'm finding it difficult to fear a lawyer that resembles a bad Jerry Springer show.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Oddly enough, he kind of resembles Jerry Springer now.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

I take it someone is sending you obscenity or child pornography?  Well that sucks.  Then again, if you're going to continue acting like a jerk, you might consider not spamming your name, number, and email address all over the internet.

That said, from the GamePolitics comments policy:

"Views posted are those of the individual user and do not necessarily reflect the views of the ECA."

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Sorry, "Anonymous," calling you names over the internet is not death threats. YOU'RE the one who said people who post on blogs should get the death penalty. Those are YOUR words, not ours. What you say isn't nulled and voided just because you're a lawyer. You're not above the law.

David Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You're Not.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

So, wait... You intend to sue yourself? You match that exact description you linked to.

E. Zachary Knight
http://www.editorialgames.com
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

"gives you the finger" This is from across the Atlantic Ocean, nice try Jackoff.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

lol. Yah, come and sue me big boy. They'll laugh you out of court.

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