Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy Treaty

September 23, 2008 -

The governments of the United States, Canada, European Union, Japan and other countries are negotiating an anti-piracy agreement that could have a massive impact on digital media consumers.

And they're doing it in secret.

At issue is the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). As Ars Technica reports, public interest advocacy groups Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Public Knowledge have filed suit in federal court against the U.S. Trade Representative, a part of the executive branch. The suit is essentially a demand for information about ACTA and is based upon the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Art Brodsky of Public Knowledge told Ars:

We believe they should conduct these negotiations with some transparency for what goes on, particularly when the talks are transparent to one side and not to the other (us). At a minimum, we should know how the US delegation is formulating its positions and have access to what they are doing.

Meanwhile, p2pnet reports criticism of ACTA by Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) counsel David Fewer:

If Hollywood could order intellectual property laws for Christmas, what would they look like? This is pretty close.

Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA) has also expressed concern about ACTA:

Because ECA supports the balance that must exist between the rights of copyright owners and the right of copyrighted material consumers, we do not think it wise to include any portions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) currently being discussed by the US Trade Representative (USTR) and the Department of Commerce. 

 

We are concerned that any DMCA language in ACTA may cause enormous, unforeseen negative implications in US law.  That is why ECA, together with the Consumer Electronics Association, the US Internet Industry Association, Intel, Yahoo, Verizon and others, sent a memo asking the USTR to carefully consider that any discussions of “Internet issues” in ACTA be carefully circumscribed, consistent with U.S. law, and not include any portions of the DMCA.

FULL DISCLOSURE DEPT: The ECA is the parent company of GamePolitics.


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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Kudos to Intel, Yahoo, and Verizon; I wouldn't have expected them to be on the consumers' side on this one.

anytime the two letters "JT" come up... well...

it becomes a cluster fuck of pure hatred for the jerk. i mean we all know JT something else when he tries to blame video games for violence in our schools in america. basically i think he was born hypocritical and i know now that he's also born troll too... just one of those day's i guess when bad news like this comes up...

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson told me to do it!

Jesus Jack Jones Thompson loves you, so kill for his amusement so we can get money for the new "People's Temple of Jesus Jack Jones Thompson"

but what if i get in trouble?

I'm freaking out here right now peolpe, and I think i'm going to throw up here. Jesus christ, alls i did was ask him why he does what he does and pointed out something to him. Someone plese help me here

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

I'm with everyone else on this Zach.

But, to be honest, I'd be more proactive.

I'd gather the emails to/from regarding this specific issue, I'd gather specific evidence regarding ECA and GamePolitics (including links to sites and other information) as well as links regarding John Bruce, such as links to his Wikipedia page, various wikipedia articles regarding his "involvment" in various cases such as the Cody Posey case, the Robida case, the V-Tech case, the NIU case, and other such cases, as well as various abusive and deceitful comments made by him (such as the comment about supporting the legal death penalty for GP poster, his lies and misinformation about there being "gay sex" in the game Bully, his repeated bigoted comments regarding homosexuality, and his religious terroristic attitudes), all of which show a very immoral character.  Many of these resources offer other views, so it isn't one sided.  Nevertheless, he, himself, is the evidence of what he has or hasn't done.

Take all said info and show it to those in authority at the college.  Make a pre-emptive strike by showing them the WHOLE Truth, not just the John Bruce line of lies and deceit.  If you're too nervous to do it in person, then email them.

Contrary to what the Anti-First Amendment guttertrash that is John Bruce, you DO have the Right to Freedom of Speech.  Not just what the Anti-US Constitutionalist John Bruce "Jack" Thompson says you can or can't say.

Heck, I've got pre-written affidavits and letters on stand by just waiting for John Bruce to act on his various vague threats.  I've been waiting for over two years.  He hasn't done squat yet.  And am I really that hard to identify?

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Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Dude, don't freak out. Challenge the suit. You'll make a million bucks telling the story for why you got sued for sending a ****ing e-mail that in no way threatened his well being.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Oh, and to put things in perspective.

You are being accused of having sent an email.

Which he wouldn't even show, because if he did, they would see it was nothing worth the commotion.

The other accusation, that you are associated with this website, is an outright fabrication.

Can't wait for this guy to lose his license.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Amen to that buddy.

Did Jack post all of that in this thread to distract us from it though?

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yeah I think he did

Which brings me back to this question. Why do they have to be so secrative about it? whats to hide from the public in this meeting?

Re: yeah I think he did

I would think nothing, unless they were making deal with big companies like Yahoo and so on, but if they are fearful of it, then...  Is our country turning communist.  Not really full swing, but it seems we are slowly losing our freedoms and being barried by government debt and poor choices.

Other than that, maybe it is a disguse for what they are really meeting for, but they are not smart enough to do that.  Which leads me to believe they are probably going to do what the government is trying to do with ESRB, put into law what the industry already does, just to act like they do something instead of waste tax payer money for doing things like that.

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Re: yeah I think he did

Communist would mean that everything belongs to everyone. In this case, the companies want everything to belong to them so the consumer pays to essentially rent the item.

wow what a dumb industriy

What ever happend to just having a simple game and paying for it? This is really sad how Companinies like EA want to get more money from us and give us crap back. This is really sad.

Re: wow what a dumb industriy

They do all this crap to try to combat pirates but almost end up making the pirates look like heroes because they stand up to the unfair company that's trying to rip off the consumers. It's really counter-productive.

Re: wow what a dumb industriy

Exactly, and I support the pirates that hack the games like that when it comes to that situation.  They are protecting the consumer by giving them another option, and to show they will not stand with torrent sites that keep track of downloads.  Those numbers show loss of sales, and proof of where the consumers went.

(anyone else question why GameSpot didn't post an article about EA apologizing for Spore DRM?  I swear they are in bed with EA, and if they were not, they would have posted something by now.)

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Let me spell it out for you.

Jack Thompson is a mentally ill old man who is using his attorney license to try to bully people. All bark and no bite. He sent this email precisely to annoy these people and scare you. That's it, that's all.

He is about to lose his license because of this, among many other unethical, bizarre behaviors. If anybody asks you about this, all you need to do is point out to this fact.

 

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Seriously, don't worry dude, this guy, Jack Thompson is pretty much crazy, and you have the proof right here on GamePolitics to prove it.  Besides, in usual Jack Thompson fashion, he got something wrong, big surprise there, and confused you with EKZ.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

Oh yeah, and have a look at this, quotes out the Yin-Yang from Jack Thompson, a majority of them insulting, well, actually, all of them insulting, but thats Jack Thompson for you, but you could show this to whoever runs your collage as proof that you're dealing with nothing but a trouble maker.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

You can't get in trouble for this.  You have the email conversation in question along with all of the posts here on the site.  Even if he did send something, there isn't much chance that 1) They would take him very seriously after seeing the stuff that he has/is doing, 2) The school can NOT punish you for extr-curricular activities that deal with your beliefs be them social, political, religious, etc.  It's a 1st Amendment right to be able to ask questions and speak about what you want. Just because he freaked out doesn't mean you've done a damn thing wrong. 

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Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Exactly, if you hear something from your school let us know.  I am sure Dennis, a Mod here, or someone that heads up part of the ECA else can call up your school and explain the whole situation, but I doubt it gets that far.  No biggie bud.  We'll take care of you here one way or another. 

Heck, you might get featured in an article on how Jack Thompson is at his crazy antics again, haha.  Joking aside though, don't worry about anything.  More likely than not, nothing will happen.  You have a lot of supporters here, and we will back you up 100% even if something does.

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wow thanks

Now one more thing

Has anyone read what I sent him in the first email before these two?

Re: wow thanks

Honestly, I doubt I've seen them.  But I would make sure to save them just in case you are questioned by someone at your school you can give them the e-mails.  Also, make sure you save any responses that JT sent you.

As long as you didn't do something dumb, like send death threats, you should have no problem.

Re: wow thanks

I have them archvied in my folder. Thanks to everyone here again for helping me figure this mess out and again sorry casuing such a problem to the guys that run this site.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

i dont think you have anything to worry about.  he thought you were the moderator EZK which you arent. 

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Get in trouble for what?

You literally did nothing wrong.

(Note: I haven't seen the text of Jack's latest toothless threats as it was deleted, but I assume it was nothing but hot air like all of his other failings.)

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Couple weeks ago, i was pretty verbal in a email to him and tottaly got on his case about his harrasment of the video games. This week I just asked him why he's spamming us and than told him to give game politces something better and more with proof. I didin't reply to anything eles. I know i posted the email that i sent him a few weeks ago in another jack thompson article

Btw, mods and all of Game Politics. I'm really sorry about this. I just wanted to stand up for the video gaming industry and im scared as shit right now becasue i don't know what he will really do, has anyone been in this situation like me?

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

I wouldn't worry.  For starters he needs to get the letter directly to you not to a forum where he has no catagoric proof as to the identity of the person on the other side (There are ways to find out with a degree of certainty but NOONE is going to bother with that over the sending of an email, unless you sent him a death threat or something utterly stupid).

He is reliant upon his threats doing this to people.  He's a pathetic little bully who is abusing his position as a lawyer to do it as well and thi,s amongst other reasons, is why he is being disbarred soon.  When he is, he will be legally impotent.

Seriously - chill out, laugh it off and ignore the little Hitler.  It would however probably be wise not to bother emailing him again.  Whilst he *IS* inviting it both on forum posts (which contain his email and invites to contact him) and on his website, it probably isn't worth the hassle of replacing your fax machine ;)

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Don't worry about any trouble from ol' John Bruce. He can't do anything to you. And I found it funny that he confused you for me.

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Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Yeah, I can't figure out how John Bruce could have confused the two of you.

After all, Zach's taller.

:: Blink ::

:: Blink ::

Exitstageleft!

:: Poof! ::

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Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Yeah, I find that funny too. I take pretty much everyone has been through the same situation from John Bruce like me now?

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

If you agree or disagree with something, the best thing you CAN do is to stand for what you believe in.  Otherwise people like him can get away with whatever they feel is right, regardless of our basic freedoms.  I at least think you did the right thing and should not have anything to worry about.  You can post his emails just like he loves to post others.  The freedoms don't just go the "Jack Thompson Way"...they go the same for EVERYONE.

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Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Let me put it this way:

Jack threatened me with a lawsuit two or three years ago.  I'm still waiting for him to file it.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

Ok ok, I'm trying to calm down. So hard to breath right now. To be honest, I thought he was going to ignore my stuff and just delete it. Is he litterally like a dog ready to jump on anything that goes near him?

Btw Dog, did he email your school prez and threaten to sue our college?

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

No, he didn't.

But anyone reading a letter with baseless threats like that, and who has half a brain, will realize that they are baseless threats.

Jack's modus operandi is to THREATEN lawsuits hoping that people will hop up do what he wants.  He never FILES the lawsuits.

Over on the JAABLOG site he's been spamming letters to the Florida Bar saying that he demands a face-to-face meeting to negotiate a settlement with the Florida Bar for the last couple of months, and if they don't give in to his demand HE WILL SUE THEM NEXT WEEK.  He sends this letter out about every two weeks with some new "smoking gun evidence."  He's yet to file the suit.

Jack has done this to you because he is an asshole and he's trying to make you feel nervous and threatened.  It's what he gets off on.  I wouldn't be surprised if he's sitting at his computer masturbating to these posts right now.

On the other hand, this is why I've been telling people to never e-mail Jack Thompson.  He's nothing but an asshole and will use any information he can get about you to try to make life miserable.

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

I think JT was mega banned from Jaablog, as he's only posted there once in the last 2 weeks

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: but what if i get in trouble?

he threatened to sue the school cuz he thinks your EZK, if the school says anything to you about it just point out that your not the person he thought you were and that'll be that.

okk

When i said game politics and I didn't mean that we worked together. God why do people do this. Sorry guys about this whole ordeal if this casuing problems.

Re: okk

Don't fret it. Thompson also thinks GamePolitics is stealing his TV Guide. He's crazy, and anybody from that college who would come over here to verify Thompson's claims (he seems to think people will just take his word at face value) will be able to see that.

Re: okk

Don't worry, he was a bit overdue for one of these anyway, it's roughly a tri-monthly occurence, I wouldn't let it worry you either, you should have no problem proving that Jack is a bigger Ding-Dong than New Year in the Big Ben belltower ;)

Re: okk

I hope he didn't cause a problem between you and the staff at your college.

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: okk

It's no biggy, JT is crazy paranoid.  So if anything, you can ask for help here if he causes too many problems.  There may be some people here with more money and better connections than JT realizes to fight him if he goes after an innocent person.

JT is boring me...  Do we have another story...  or wait, what is this topic about again?

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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

For anyone who cares, here's a link to an article on the recent shooting Jack seems to want Dennis to report on. There's no mention of games whatsoever, which should surprise no one, and is why it's not a GP article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_re_eu/eu_finland_school_shooting

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Who else knew this guy wasn't a child right when JT announced it? haha

Adults are called adults for a reason.  They can take responsibility for their own actions, if there might have been a slight incling of added frustration added by video games or not.  Just like JT needs to take responsibility for his actions, and do the world a favor and go live in Iran.

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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

*Deleted Same Letter*


Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Aw, poor baby, are the mean interweb people calling you a doo-doo-head? Here, have a glass of chocolate milk. Mommy will go and make it all better for you. Nighty-night.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Chinese milk?...too soon?

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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

He didn't say you were mentally ill, I did, and I stand 100% by my accusation of you ordering a case of NPD with a side-order of a messianic complex, and your continual attempt to silence any voice that disagrees with your delusions of grandeur are nothing more than evidence in my favour :)

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

With my psychology back ground, I will stand behind you on the mentally ill comment.

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Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Jack stop being a hypocrite and HARASSING everyone who disagrees with you. God, you're such a baby.

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Good ol' Jack Thompson, you can try to silence the voices that prove you wrong, but you will fail, as abysmally as you always do :)

Of course, by sending this letter you would prove how scared you really are of the truth :)

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Proof or it didn't happen, nitwit....

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Digital Rights Groups Go to Court Over Secret Anti-Piracy

Nice try, Jack. But that simply isn't going to fly.

 
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