Little Big Planet Release Delayed Over Qur'an References in Song

October 17, 2008 -

The Little Big Planet launch won't go off next week as originally scheduled.

As reported by Joystiq, Sony is delaying LBP worldwide due to concerns about Qur'an references in a single song file. SCEE issued a statement on the situation:

During the review process prior to the release of LittleBigPlanet, it has been brought to our attention that one of the background music tracks licensed from a record label for use in the game contains two expressions that can be found in the Qur'an. We have taken immediate action to rectify this and we sincerely apologise for any offence that this may have caused. We will confirm the new launch date shortly.

Joystiq reports that the tune in question is Tapha Niang by Grammy winner Toumani Diabaté. From Joystiq's report:

From the brief research we've done (um ... Wikipedia), we have yet to find evidence to suggest "Tapha Niang" (or any Toumani Diabaté production for that matter) has been criticized for possible religious offenses prior to today's development. In fact, a profile published by Taipei Times describes Toumani Diabaté as "a devout Muslim, with his own prayer room next to his office."

GP: SCEE, still smarting from the Resistance / Manchester Cathedral controversy, is likely being extra-cautious here in an effort not to step on anyone's religious toes.

Thanks to: GP reader Josh Thompson for the tip!

UPDATE: Just got this e-mail with reviewer info from Sony:

Please be sure to check out the latest PlayStation blog post regarding LittleBigPlanet for the PS3.  Feel free to move forward with publishing reviews and features, but note that SCEA will begin shipping LittleBigPlanet to retail in North America the week of October 27th. 

UPDATE 2: Kotaku has a translation of the offending passages:

Every soul shall have the taste of death...  All that is on earth will perish...

UPDATE 3: Here's the official PlayStation blog announcement. Doesn't add much, although some of the commenters are outraged.


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He more than likely won't.  He's fighting his own "religious fight" with the courts now anyways.

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I doubt JT will weigh in on this at all.  Religious faux paux doesn't seem to be his type of schtick.

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True, as far as i know he sure seems to hate mormons  for some reason though.

Question: People who do have a copy somehow of this game already. Can they force you to give the game back?

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No but if you're connected to PSN it's going to patch automatically.  Which again begs the question: what's the point of a recall and delay?

 

Andrew Eisen

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I don't believe so since they would already have it.  They can get onto the retailer for breaking the street date, but that's about it.  If they wanted, the could TRY and put a patch through for them but, once again, not everyone has internet access. 

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Whats a trade program?


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A trade in program would be where purchasers of Little Big Planet who are offended by two lyric lines in one music track can mail the disk to Sony who would replace it with a copy of the game that doesn't feature the offending lyrics.

Activision did something similar for the Wii version of Guitar Hero III.  That game shipped without stereo sound.  The users who were upset about the missing feature (like me) sent in our game disk and had it replaced free-of-charge with a corrected one.  We even got a free face plate out of the deal.

 

Andrew Eisen

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-ehm-

people seriously need to relax...

I don't get what the fuzz is all about ?

I'm for not offending any religious persons etc. - but there is a line.
And that line is when religions is forcing people to either be afraid of saying something or forcing people to censor themselves. This is simply not just that great a thing to do.

Now 'the song of songs' also has expressions in it...

And of course a devout moslem would put a tribute the to Koran in his music - despite that fact that many -ehm-
Islam Scholars do not acknowledge music as part of the arabic and islamic tradition. In Pakistan and Turkey and Somalia, however, there seem to be a strong musical tradition, though...

 

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As much as I support most thing's rights to be offensive, I think intent plays a big part of things.

If Sony isn't intending to have the text of the Qu'ran mixed with music (which appears to be the problem, I hear), then I think its great that they're changing the game to match their intent.

If Sony/Media Molecule REALLY wanted to offend people on the sly and have offensive religious content in their game, then this sucks.

In the case of Resistance, I think there was palpable artistic (not necessarily high art) merit to sticking to their guns regarding the use of a church building as part of a level.

Considering Zack and Wiki along with this incidence, wherein sound bites are foudn to be offensive outside of original intent, I think its a good move to change the product to reflect that.

Show me a game that actually intends to offend with its gameplay, and I'll support its right to do so.  Though I'll react to my own offense accordingly by not consuming it.

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"Show me a game that actually intends to offend with its gameplay,"

That would probably be Postal and a few flash games like Virginia Tech rampage.

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Bingo.  Everyone has the right to make themselves out to be jerks, if they so choose. :D

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Remeber that flash game that involved killing JFK? that was pretty god awful and offensive to the full level.

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Honestly I don't think that game was intended to offend, but to educate.  It was intended to show you how it would/or would not be possible to do what was done on the sad day.  Sort of an answer, or addition if you will, to the already fueled discussion on if there was either only one, or more than one, shooter involved in that.  If there only intention was to offend, it would have had more than what it did.

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"If Sony isn't intending to have the text of the Qu'ran mixed with music (which appears to be the problem, I hear), then I think its great that they're changing the game to match their intent."

True, but there's no need to recall and delay the game when a day zero patch (which has already been created) would suffice.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Yeah, the method of fix is a bit silly, to put it lightly. 

Its even more silly since the game has broken streetdate already, and can still be bought and received on line by some sources right now.

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Dear Nintendo,

As a life long misogynist I am deeply offended by the fact that the protagonist of your Metroid games is a woman. I expect you to recall all games featuring Samus Aran and replace her with an appropriate male character. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, you must kowtow to the whims of a vocal minority.

 

Love and kisses,

Andrew Eisen

 

P.S. - And no, I can't just buy a different game.  I'd still be deeply offended knowing that somewhere out there someone's enjoying a game with a female protagonist.  If I don't like it, no one else should either.

P.P.S. - And no, a trade in program or software patch for only those who are deeply offended is not adequate either for the reason mentioned in my above post script.

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A Mr. Swift called for you. He wants his shtick back. :P

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Tell him he can have it back as soon as I'm done eating these delicious Irish babies.

 

Andrew Eisen

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You sir win a cookie ... and half of the internet.

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the half without women that is =p

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There's a half with women?

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Yeah man it's called porn.

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 Allow me to take a poll... everyone where who feels offended that the game was delayed, please respond as such.

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Religion needs to die.

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Yay! Hot controversal topics!

I have a conflicting view of the matter. From the moment the human started looking, as said by Avenged Sevenfold, "towards the sky for answers to our lives" we were kinda screwed. And it's a given. We rise from the depths of the sea, get rid of our tails and have a larger brain than other animals. So what do we do now?

Religion has shaped our society greatly. Without it, we may still be picking ticks off of each other's behinds and eaing them while in huts made from our own shit. Sarcastically, you could say that we haven't changed much but consiter this. I think that religion gave humanity a base in morality of some sort. Sure, alot of actions made by the church and religious folk have been hardly moral, and I respect and agree with that statement. Religion is now being exploited to gain support and money by fanatics or people who just want to benifit themselves.

If you look at the scriptures based out of the middle east, you'll see at least one common factor: Jesus Christ. When Jesus came around, he had some pretty awesome ideas and suggestions for us to run our lives. Then he got executed. He died for what he belived in, and his close followers and people who loved him took this as a tragedy and spread his work. Now we have Christianity and the Catholic Church who, today, has got the mindset of the world by the balls.

It makes me think about "The Return of the King", an episode from adult swim's (awesome) series, The Boondocks. The episode focused on a "what if..." premise, where Martin Luther King Jr. survived his assassination and went into a coma, awakening around the time of 9/11 where he made comments that infuriated a post-9/11 America. And because he survived, he hadn't played a huge role in history or in the common knowledge of the people. He dies at the end of the episode with his death announced in a small section on the front page of a newspaper, with Oprah winning the presidency as the cover story.

We live in a society where we now have more knowledge based on scientific fact and historical truths. More people are stewing on the "fuck religion" thing, living a life where they have no rules and don't want to conform. I understand. As much as the major religions of the world complain about things that we accept, we dig up dirt on their logic and crimes. I can only use the Bible as an example because I have more knowledge on it than I do on any other scripture. (I was raised Catholic.) When you look past the Jesus thing, and watch the History Channel a lot, you would see that many of those things mentioned are dated. There was a huge flood that enveloped the middle east. From that, we get the story of Noah's Ark. A lot of the things mentioned may as well be rantings towards the oppresive rule of the Romans. Some themes are just weird and rambling, like things from the book of Revelations; some things mentioned range from epic to making as much sense as Xenu.

Also, life sucks. We want something endulging and awesome from living a life of pure hatred, evil, and all around suck. If you get shot in the head, and the last thing so see is black, that's just lame. We want something at the end. We want an afterlife. We want heaven. Some people say it exists, and i'm one of them. Hell might as well too. But if Hell's just a invention made to keep us from going to some random woman and raping/murdering her, than bravo; it works.

So i'll just tell you want I think to wrap this all up. Religion has acted as humanity's training wheels, to keep us from falling off our bikes and into total extinction. Some of us want to keep them on because it makes them feel safer because the world acts as a one lane bridge with no guard rails. Others want them off because they feel like they've outgrown them or feel that we must learn for ourselves. (I lean more towards the latter)

Accounts of out-of-body experences (made by Christians and rock stars who overdose and almost die) and the supernatural lead me to belive that there is an afterlife, but since we all want something out of it. (a paradise for those who do good or a paradise for those who like to do nothing but wack off)

A lot of humans just can't cope with the fact that our exstiance was a total accident, and we just try to make the best of it.

 

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First off how is it religion's doing that we don't live in grass huts? Religion explains things it doesn't advances technology.

Oh and as for near death experiences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAywxhVvLU4

And finally how could Noah fit two of EVERY animal on the ark? That's pretty much impossible.

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I'm of the same opinion. Religion is such an epic fail for humanity.

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Getting rid of regilion wouldn't stop people from whining about things that offend them.

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Quick refute: It is through religion (not exclusively, however) that there are grandeur works of artwork, scultpure, music, etc. Furthermore there is a vast significance to social culture and even science. Religion isn't what causes suffering, it's people. The idea of that there should be no religion because there is a dark, violent side or whatever reason against it, is a fallacy.

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Quite refute: Religion has damaged a lot of people's life’s (for others it has been beneficial). Religion has also helped greatly to stifle artistic works and science. As human gain a greater understanding of life the need for religion weakens. Whilst the statement that religion needs to die because of the delay of the game is over the top, there is a very clear argument that religion is very damaging.

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AS long as humans are moral and have mortal fears faith will be a part of their lives, its theys that demand absolution in their faith that damns others to a life of hell upon this world. Because hell is what you get when you mix humanity and absolution.

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Religion is only damaging when it is held with an inflexible and fearful grip.

Religion, by its very nature, is used to try to understand things human beings can not begin to comprehend using the basis of faith to support the insupportable (what happens after we die? What is the meaning of life? Who created the universe?). The problem is an essential part of ANY religion is its incompleteness. the incomplete nature of ANY religion causes togetherness and a sense of community within those that band together to interpret religious text. So you have insupportable ideas, with incomplete text, and believers who so desperately want to believe every single word mentioned within these texts is fact. Can you see where the conflict is?

In today's society we have two supposed conflicting forces... Science and Religion. Those who have an inflexible view of either can not incorporate the other (physicists who can not believe in God, and christians who refuse to agknowledge evolution are just two examples off of the top of my head).

Now there is another sector, and the most responsible I'd argue, of religious followers. There are those with a flexible view of religion that allow themselves to say perhaps not everything in the koran/bible/bagivad ghita (forgive my atrocious spelling) is stone cold fact, is interpretable as allegory and metaphor. These people are able to hold religious beliefs AND incorporate science into their religion. These are the same people who are usually more accepting of others and are willing to live and let live. 

Religion doesn't stifle art and science... In fact, some of the most beautiful works of art were inspired DIRECTLY from religion. Without religion there would be no Venus de Milo, Sistine Chapel, Last supper, and numerous other works of beauty. Insane people with religion stifles art and science. Religion is, for a very good reason, one of the ONLY areas in our world where a totally incompetantly insane human being can comand control over a vast number of pawns. This is because they don't have to explain their insanity. They only have to say its divinely expired.

Religion isnt damaging... insane poeple are damaging, and while its true that without religion these people would have no platform to stand on, you can not blame the cargo boxes for transfering guns to third world countries.

The fact of the matter is, religious texts were oral traditions, passed on for decades, sometimes centuries, before they were written down. Oral stories are subject to mass interpretation and metaphorical devices in order to make them interesting and memorable. They are prone to exageration and because of that should NEVER be interpreted as fact. The most you can gather from most religious texts are stories that are told to help guide your day to day life. They are glorified fables that, while some of them have scientific evidence to support them (the great flood, for example), should be interpreted with a grain of salt. These texts, even revalation/doomsday scriptures, were useful for those who heard them in their day. They can be useful for those that read them today IF they approach them with an open mind, and a logical perspective.

I could go on to my own religious views, but that's boring and i've rambled on long enough. The point is, its not religions thats evil... it's evil PEOPLE with religion that makes things all crazy stupid.

 

Oh yeah, and I eyerolled when I heard about the delay.

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"In today's society we have two supposed conflicting forces...Science and Religion".

What makes you say that? Where is the sources that conclude these two are at odds? If you're going to mention evolution I can spout off a number of religious and non-scientifc organisations that support evolution. And just because a couple of physicists are atheists doesn't mean it's science vs. religion.

Hell I can spout off literature vs. religion by looking at all the athiest authors and by looking at all the instances where religion tried to ban literature. But like 'science vs religion' that would be ignoring all the areas where they co-exist.

Oh and if you want more arguments against religion we can explore the cons of accepting blind faith vs. an open mind.

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did you even read my post? You've just read one line and immediately jumped to conclusions. I wouldn't make a point of saying this except you've done this in more than one post i've written... Read my ENTIRE post before you jump to conclusions. I addressed why they are opposing forces and HOW they can co exist within the body of my post. :p

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Yes I did read your post, now are you going to expalin how there's a religion vs. science battle or are you gonna keep throwing more red herrings.

Anyway almost every major religion (except agnosticism which is simply 'I'm not sure/I can't know') requires some kind of leap of faith and when you put that faith into some crazy guy the world suffers. If you were so determined and you knew what you doing., you could use religion to take over an entire country or the world over, that's the power of blind faith. Can you name me something else that rewards blind faith as much as religion (peace of mind, heaven, 72 virgins, etc.)? Yes I know this probably doesn't apply to littlebigplanet but still... 

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If I have to spell it out for you...

"Religion, by its very nature, is used to try to understand things human beings can not begin to comprehend using the basis of faith to support the insupportable (what happens after we die? What is the meaning of life? Who created the universe?). The problem is an essential part of ANY religion is its incompleteness. the incomplete nature of ANY religion causes togetherness and a sense of community within those that band together to interpret religious text. So you have insupportable ideas, with incomplete text, and believers who so desperately want to believe every single word mentioned within these texts is fact. Can you see where the conflict is?"

I thought it would be obvious that science is the exact opposite of that. Science exists to prove what causes the universe to operate and how it came to be imperically. If there is no evidence, then it does not exist. It is the opposite of religion. Religion/faith vs Science/evidence. How much more explanation do you need? Unless you approach either with an open mind you're not going to get very far. Albert Einstein once said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind". If you can manage to incorporate both, then you are slave to neither.

"If you were so determined and you knew what you doing., you could use religion to take over an entire country or the world over, that's the power of blind faith. Can you name me something else that rewards blind faith as much as religion (peace of mind, heaven, 72 virgins, etc.)?"

um... Politics? You put blind faith in people that you hope will "End the war in Iraq" and "bolster the economy" without hearing significant proof as to HOW they plan to do it. The same people who put blind faith in religious figures are also the ones who put blind faith in politicians that offer "change and hope" and believe that "Obama is a muslim terrorist! Palin told me so!" Need I bring up how Hitler came to power?

Again, don't blame religion. Blame the mindless sheep who refuse to think and interpret their own religion for themselves. Discounting religion because of a few idiots is just as simpleminded and foolish as the portrait you're trying to paint of the followers.

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Wow that was kinda harsh dude.

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Me, I'm also angry that we have to wait a while just because seem easily offended people MIGHT have gotten concerned that the song had Qu'ran verses in it. I mean come on how much a controversy would it be ...? Cute harmless game has Qu'ran verses in it in Arabic .. details and the 1 or 2 people who care about it at 11. I guarantee that, giant genitalia and 9/11 simulators aside, the custom levels people create will wind up being more offensive than those stupid verses, probably without meaning to be too.

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From what I have found so far, they had to translate it to find what it said. 

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Wait if they got the song on the game, before realeasing it, wouldn't they already have known the lyrics?

 
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