Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

October 26, 2008 -

After failing to locate Brandon Crisp despite more than a week of intensive searching, police are reportedly focusing their investigation on the missing gamer's Xbox Live account.

This morning's Toronto Star reports that the cyber crimes unit of the Ontario Provincial Police will attempt to identify members of Brandon's Xbox Live Call of Duty 4 clan. Barrie P.D. spokesman Sgt. Dave Goodbrand told the Sun that Microsoft has agreed to breach its normal privacy protocols in the hunt for the missing 15-year-old:

Brandon's dad made a plea to Microsoft. This is an exigent circumstance, where it's a kid you're searching for. This isn't the same as other criminal investigations, where you're looking for evidence... [Brandon] was getting good enough that there's a possibility he was expanding into other clans.

In related news, GamePolitics spoke with Sgt. Goodbrand last night and learned that police are not releasing Brandon's Xbox Live gamertag. While the gamertag would give concerned gamers a starting point from which they could explore online resources in the search for Brandon, law enforcement officials fear that the information may be misused. There could also be important investigative reasons. It is not unusual for certain pieces of information to be withheld from the public in major cases.

How might gamers help? Although the circumstances are much different - and infinitely more serious - in Brandon's case, here's one example: Crime File: Global Gamer Community Tracks Down Xbox Live Thieves.
 

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Typical attitude of today's world: dont blame yourself for what your kid does, blame it on an outside source and play the helpless victim of their child's actions. Our society as a whole has gone down the sh!tter.

Now, back on topic: It seems that, if he is ever found (which I hope is sooner rather than later), the police dont want to give out his gamertag so they can take all the credit and continue to blast gamers in general. But on the other hand there are some people out there who, if the gt was released, would probably hack it or whatever those kinds of people do with stolen information.

But the majority of gamers are helpful (aside from the pre-pubescants that ruin online gaming for everyone) and they would most likely team up to help find this kid. I really hope he's found soon and safe

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Let's blog EVERYWHERE call of Duty gamers go--to pages with cheats etc...and blog on Myspace abd send bulletins with Brandon Crisp's picture...SOMEONE has seen him...let's bring this mystery to light and--everyone should know Microsoft has offered a humungous cash reward...something to come in handy to gamers...so start blogging and talking and let's not stop till we bring this teen safely home to his loving family in Barrie Ontario, Canada. Go to ALL sites you can think of...and talk about this online while you are gaming...does anyone know Brandon Crisp's gamer name? Check all chat forums about this game Call of Duty.  Sure--it sucks he couldn't play as much as he wanted to...but let's FOCUS...Brandon--we can work this out...your Mom and Dad love you and your friends are worried. I'm a Mom and I can imagine how you must feel right now...call your parents please. Your Dad and Mom feel just terrible...just call them...even if it's from a phone booth.

 

Thank you.

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Hmmm, And i thought they only had clans for MMORPGS,Im learning alot here.

Magic Taco

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Exactly how close and organized is the COD4 community?  Do they have XBL chat lobbies?   Are there official forums?  Was this kid part of any COD4 forums?

I am only familiar with the Halo community (as far as XBL games go), and most of the community socializing aspects stem from bungie.net. 

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"Brandon's dad made a plea to Microsoft. This is an exigent circumstance, where it's a kid you're searching for. This isn't the same as other criminal investigations, where you're looking for evidence... [Brandon] was getting good enough that there's a possibility he was expanding into other clans."

I hope I am looking too far into that comment, I hope they are not actually thinking that his clan members could have killed or kidnapped him because he was thinking of joing another clan.

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 A quote from Brandon's father in the Oct. 22 Toronto Star:

"I'm worried he has met someone online through this game. It could be organized crime or someone involved in Internet gambling."

Worrying about who your child talks to online is a legitimate concern, but...organized crime? REALLY?

Article from today's Star that focuses primarily on the volunteer searches up in Barrie over the weekend:

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/525008

Note the "Specials" side bar on the right hand side of the page--one of the articles is (partially) about family bonding around Rock Band 2.

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Ugh, the more they speak the more they just come off as ignorant luddites who are trying to shift the blame to anything else.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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''but...organized crime? REALLY?''

 

yeah totally. Dont you know that the mafia love nothing more than to sit back and chill with some COD 4?

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if he was addicted too video games wich i think does happen but it aint the games fault and i dont think this kid was if he was he woudnt have left the 360 behind.

i hope this boy gets found

Shobidoo, the hardcore gamer

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Taking a 360 with you when running away from home by bike is rather problematic.

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Nah nah nah.

Send the naked blue guy. He'll find him four days before he vanished and then get arrested as a probable pedophile.

Who you gonna call?

Send Rorschach! He'll find him...and kill a fuck load of people along the way...and then get vaporized by a naked blue guy...

He was a pretty damn good crazy detective...

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! -The Buck Stops Here. -Thou Shall Not Teamkill, Asshole.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Just send RoboCop to find him.

 

Sure, lots of people will die, but hey...We'd buy that for a dollar!

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While it's an excellent thing that gamers want to help by looking for the gamertag, it'd be pointless and not as good as a single script run on the XBL servers.

All the xbox live data would be stored in a microsoft SQL database within a centralised (or at least networked) server cluster and a basic script (for example: select * from LOGINS where GAMERTAG='brandoncrisp') could be automated to run every 30 minutes to an hour to report the last login time & IP address. Infinitely more efficient than managing the reports of potentially 14 million xbox live gamers. It also removes the whole potential abuse of the gamertag thing.

If microsoft are even close to competent (and they certainly aren't useless), they'll have been running such a script since the whole thing started.

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I don't think many people are getting the point.

The release of the Gamertag isn't to decide when he last logged on, it's to let the community that might have known him identify specifically who he was so that those who did know him will be able to think of the person they knew and whatever communications they had with that individual in case he shared some clue as to where he may have gone.  Whether it was to be with someone he knew or if he might of let slip a secret hiding place he might go by himself.

I suggested that on the Facebook site and suggested 2 versions:

One was an actual release of the Gamertag, which many seem to not want to directly make use of a portion of the online community that would have obviously known him well, it's still quicker than either the second option or waiting for Microsoft and the police to cut through that red tape.

The second option is to merely suggest publically that any online COD4 players who noticed that a teammate or regular opponent that went missing almost a couple of weeks ago, check in with the police department, especially if they might have some ideas from prior conversations where Brandon might be.  After nearly 2 weeks, even weak leads would be helpful.

Of course, some folks are so up in arms over the release of the Gamertag, as if everyone online were some sort of criminal and shouldn't be trusted, that they pretty much overlooked the second option.

I even pointed out that they didn't have to like the online community in general, because what was more important is finding Brandon.  The online community, whether XBox Live or other groups have helped close friends that are online for a long time.  Whether they get to know the person they are helping or not, contrary to popular belief and misconception, many online folks are good, honorable, helpful folks.

Some will track you down if you go missing out of concern.  Even if you go "missing" because of financial reasons and can't stay online, one does make friends online who DO care about you.

Many times, those type of situations don't end up in the news or discussion groups.  They don't get talked about because they aren't "sensationalistic" enough for people to read about.

But they do happen, and the Crisps shouldn't miss out on ANY reasource, especially at this point.

Nightwng2000

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Are these parent rich?  This kind of stuff happens all the time by now I thought it would have fallen off the radar.

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When kids used to go missing, you'd put their name and face on posters, milk cartons, anything for the chance somebody might identify them and let the authorities know.

Nowadays, you hide as much information as you can from the public, because the public can't be trusted to alert the authorities? I don't know where the logic is behind this one.

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Its a tough call to make, but I think not releasing the gamertag is somewhat a good idea.  However, the fact that this person might actually be in our friends list is kinda nerve wrecking.

But the idea that M$, the company at the helm of all of XBL, well it makes a lot of sense.  They can easily focus on that specific name without the traffic of other users.
Its not a bright idea because of the simple fact that one little slip up could screw the entire case over.  Extra eyes and the knowledge of his name could blow the case wide open, anywhere OUTSIDE XBL, which is what they should be concerned of.

But I'm not the leader of the case, so I can't really put my 2 cents in.  I should get my lawyer degree and call myself an expert on video games.

The most horrible, cold hearted joke ever...

Oh my GOD. I get it now. The parents said he's been addicted to COD4 longer than it's been out, which means he got an early copy, which suggests he has connections with the developers! He's with the developers playing COD5!!!!!!!! JT was right, the mutha fuckas is in a conspiracy!

 

I'm going to hell for that joke, aren't I?

 

In all seriousness though, this shit doesn't seem to be helping too much. The police need to reign this back in and get everyone's shit together. All this theatrical crap is just fucking it all up.

 

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! -The Buck Stops Here. -Thou Shall Not Teamkill, Asshole.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: The most horrible, cold hearted joke ever...

"Oh my GOD. I get it now. The parents said he's been addicted to COD4 longer than it's been out, which means he got an early copy, which suggests he has connections with the developers! He's with the developers playing COD5!!!!!!!! JT was right, the mutha fuckas is in a conspiracy!"

Dude. Decaff.

"I'm going to hell for that joke, aren't I?"

I doubt it. You have a better chance at getting the BanHammer from Dennis than you do at going to Hell for that.

"In all seriousness though, this shit doesn't seem to be helping too much. The police need to reign this back in and get everyone's shit together. All this theatrical crap is just fucking it all up."

Agreed.

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Things that the everyone up in canada need to get straight

1. dont listen to jt

2. get the right name of the game and stop jumping on the most recent one

3. realize that the parents are at major fault

4. stop wasting time

AM I right to say that?

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Excuse me??? I'm Canadian!!! This incident is happening just kilometers North of where I live. *looks out window* HEY IS THAT HIM THERE!?? No it's just a dog.

Point is, you shouldn't be chastizing EVERYONE IN CANADA. I'm with you on this too. *please read my previous posts here*

Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Woah woah man, calm down, my fault for not being clear, I know your on my side. What I meant was the people up in canada such as the parents and police and the press! Dam I really need to be more clear.


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No worries no worries. I understood what you meant (I'm from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada). I do agree the Barrie Police and Press...should really research their video game angle (actually who cares if he is obsessed with a game? JUST LOOK FOR THE KID) and stop listening to self proclaimed experts (ref: look up IDIOT, FAILURE, and DISBARRMENT) like Jack, and go 150% to looking for the kid. It has been 2 weeks... we can always lay blame AFTER he is found...

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God damn it. When someone is missing, the ONE PLACE you can be 100% sure they are NOT located in is a VIRTUAL WORLD / Internet.

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*facepalm*

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Seconded.

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! -The Buck Stops Here. -Thou Shall Not Teamkill, Asshole.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Tripled this ain't going to end well.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

When Life gives you lemons, you find a new god.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

 

hasnt call of duty 4 not even been out a full year??? if so how can he even have been playing it for 2 years when i could of sworn it got released in like 07?

 

do they know for a fact it was cod 4?

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These are a bunch of idiots that don't know what they are talking about. (The police, the parents, the local news paper)

So the CoD4 is not a solid fact.  The parents never involved themselves in their childs life enough, and were horrid parents, the police are taking the "games made him do it" excuse and running with it, even though it may result in certain death of the child due to their lack of logical response, and what else do you expect from the press.  After all, the press said the VT shooter was a gamer, when he refused to ever play video games.

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For all we know, it could be Unreal Tournament, Gears of War or Sally's Happy Online Cake Baking Game.  These parents obviously have no idea what their son does in his life.

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Okay, I'm still confused by this.

Original Article mentions that the game was a WW2 game.

2nd Article Mentions he got the game with christmas money in 2006, and has been playing it for 18 months(COD 4 has been out for just under 12 months now).

I mean if were gonna name him the COD 4 Teen, shouldn't we make sure we get the iteration of the game right?

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It's the parents. They like to chuck this blame around, but can't even get the name of the game he was 'seriously addicted to' consistent.

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

Except that they never blamed the game.

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Do you not pay attention, or do you just lack reading comprehension?  The parents have done nothing other than blame the game, the other people who play the game, Microsoft, and anybody else as long as they don't have to claim any responsibility for their kid running away.

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Are you retarded? They've blamed Xbox Live, not the game.

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'She insists her son was taken by some misfit teammate who may be participating in a bizarre video game that has somehow crossed over into reality. Crisp said her son was "addicted" to the terrorist war game, Call of Duty, and might have met up with team players online. "I think someone has him," Crisp said.'

The mom blames the people he played with, the game, Live.

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Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

I'm still not getting "the game is at fault" from those statements. She's blaming HIM for being addicted, and HIS LIVE COHORTS, but not the game itself.

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really your not?

 

'''She insists her son was taken by some misfit teammate who may be participating in a bizarre video game that has somehow crossed over into reality.''

 

Im sorry, that statement alone, is enough for the average parent to hear and think wow, this game is messed up, it must be something in the game making them do it.

Re: Missing Gamer Search Now Focusing on Xbox Live

No, I'm still not buying it. In every other instance, an army of Live trolls would rise up to claim that her statements are ill-informed and misleading, but suddenly today she's competent?

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Which proves lack of involvement in their kid's life, and that is why they are in the situation they are in.

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Look, I'm sure the police have it perfectly under control. Microsoft are assumedly going to notice if he logs in. We, as gamers, can't do anything to help and would presumably get in the way if we tried. Handing out his gamertag will reduce the controls on the situation the police currently have because then suddenly he'll have thousands of friend invites.

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Ok, this is a serious question. Not to undermine how terrible this situation is, but don't kids go missing all the time?  2,185 children are reported missing every day. How is this kid worth over $50,000 and mobilizing people accross the country? What makes this remarkable enough to report on national news and not the other 2,184 kids?

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It's the typical and highly annoying 'Missing white kid syndrome' (See also: Madeline McCann)

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While it is fun to blame it on 'missing white kid syndrome', in reality, plenty of white kids go missing all the time too.

What it really takes is some unusual element (or just a producer deicding to prime the pump) to get the media going.  In many ways it's kinda random,..

Within the US, there are nearly 800,000 reports of missing children per year.  Only about half a dozen make prime time news with only half a dozen rising to the level of national story with big corperations and celbrities getting involved.

I can garuntee that those numbers are NOT 5 white kids and 799,995 black/asian/hispanic/etc children. 

In short, 'missing white kid syndrom' is BS.  It's a product of selective viewing of media when one is looking for descriminiation.

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Well the $50,000 reward isn't really THAT unusual.  Especially since 1/2 of it is being put up by MS.  So it isn't a "government" reward.

But untimately you're right, it's a sensationalist story.  Kid goes missing, parents are blaming the bogey-man of the moment (video games and gamers) so it's a good story.  Them there evil vidja games turned this sweet boy into some kind of horrible addict (which of course connects this to drugs as well).

It's purely sensationalist journalism.  But let's at least try to find the kid right? 

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I love that microsoft is trying to help, but doesn't it almost look like they're admitting fault with putting up some of the reward? Like "hey, this kid went missing and we made him do it... better find him before we get in trouble..." 

 

eek.

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You gotta admit, it's a great tactic for getting everyone focused on YOUR kid, and not someone else's.

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He's Canadian?

everyone knows our American kids aren't worth crap.

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Apparently, there is further manipulation by certain individuals to keep the search from being properly performed.  If those individuals really are whispering in the ears of the police to prevent valuable information from being shared with the public and, therefore, preventing a large segment of society from helping, then those indivdiuals are actually creating a dangerous situation for Brandon and they should be held responsible for any harm that comes to him.

This isn't out of vengence or hate, it's out of the simple fact that there ARE a large number of folks that Brandon had obviously had contact with but are being kept in the dark so they can't provide assistance.  THAT places Brandon in greater jeapordy.

Since we don't have a Gamertag, I'd recommend this to the COD4 community on XBox Live:

If you've noticed a fairly heavy playing teammate or opponent having gone missing in the very recent time, report it.  It's possible he's playing somewhere else, or using a new gamertag, but don't let anything slip by you.  If he stopped playing, and he's as good as they say and he played as heavily as they say, then someone noticed.  And the release of that gamer tag may also help to communicate with those online who he trusted.

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