Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

October 30, 2008 -

If you thought being permanently disbarred would cause Jack Thompson to ride off into the sunset, guess again.

The ex-attorney is currently seeing fire and damnation in Bethesda's recent recall of Fallout 3 trailer videos. A rambling letter from Thompson to the Federal Trade Commission accuses the ESRB of duplicity in the enforcement of its advertising guidelines:

The ESRB’s [advertising] Principles and Guidelines are not intended to protect the public.  They are obviously intended to protect the video game industry from the public backlash prior to a hyperviolent game’s commercial release.   The ESRB, by allowing such violence in games but not in the advertising is institutionally mandating the cloaking of a game’s real content from the public in advertising.

Thus, the ESRB is actively using its “watchdog” muscle to intimidate game developers into participating in the ESRB’s long-standing shell game by which it has tried to hoodwink Congress and the American people into thinking that the video game rating system is working, that the ratings are reliable, and that minors are being protected from the sale of “Mature” games... 

And, even though Take-Two has zilch to do with Fallout 3, Thompson cannot resist taking a shot at the GTA publisher:

Take-Two, for example, knows that if it adhered to “truth in advertising,” most of its Grand Theft Auto games never would have made it out of the warehouse.  Take-Two has figured out how to collaborate with the ESRB in this shell game by which false advertising cloaks the real nature of their games until the games are released, and then it is too late...

 

Bethesda’s only sin was that it advertised truthfully what its game Fallout 3 is all about.  The ESRB’s idiotic but telling response has fashioned a noose that I expect either the FTC or Congress to slip around the ESRB’s neck...

Full letter after the jump...

 

William E. Kovacic, Chairman

Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20580
Fax to 202-xxx-xxxx


Re:  Fraudulent and Deceptive Advertising Mandated by the Entertainment Software

       Rating Board (ESRB)


Dear Chairman Kovacic:


The video game industry became embroiled in yet another controversy this week that reveals the patent fraud and deception actively engaged in by its Entertainment Software Rating Board.  This requires swift action by the FTC to end this ongoing fraud by the ESRB.  If the FTC does not act, Congress will:  Please note:

Yesterday video game developer Bethesda released a hyperviolent game called Fallout 3.    It is rated “Mature” by the ESRB, and its ESRB descriptor states that the game contains the following content: [graphics of Fallout 3 content descriptors]

Prior to this game’s release, Bethesda provided “trailers” for the game that correctly and accurately depict the content in the game, including slow motion exploding of heads.

The ESRB, aware of the truthful content in these trailers, threatened Bethesda with punishment for alleged violation of its Advertising Principles and Guidelines through the ESRB’s Advertising Review Council.  As a result, Bethesda, in a panic, then asked video game sites to whom it gave the advertising trailers to remove the trailers.  Bear with me, please, because now we come to the patent fraud by the ESRB that may amount to criminal activity, proof of which is  found at http://www.esrb.org/ratings/principles_guidlines.jsp.  The relevant portions of the ESRB ARC Principles and Guidelines are underscored below:


PRINCIPLES

  1. An advertisement should accurately reflect the nature and content of the product it represents and the rating issued (i.e., an advertisement should not mislead the consumer as to the product’s true character).
  2. An advertisement should not glamorize or exploit the ESRB rating of a product.
  3. All advertisements should be created with a sense of responsibility toward the public.
  4. No advertisement should contain any content that is likely to cause serious or widespread offense to the average consumer.
  5. Companies must not specifically target advertising for entertainment software products rated “Teen,” “Mature” or “Adults Only” to consumers for whom the product is not rated as appropriate.

 

GUIDELINES

In applying the above Principles when evaluating advertisements, ARC will focus on the following core Guidelines. The scope and weight of each Guideline shall vary on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the demographic for which each product and its associated advertising, is intended and in relation to the advertising medium involved. While the Principles set forth the scope of ARC’s review, the Guidelines are general parameters intended to further assist companies in providing responsible, appropriate, and accurate advertising. These Guidelines are not intended to restrict or impede creative and/or innovative advertising. Rather, the following areas merely highlight certain types of content that publishers should avoid when creating advertisements.

1. ESRB Ratings and Truth and Accuracy in Advertising

*                   Misrepresentations regarding the character and/or rating of a product

*                   Inaccurate or false content

*                   Exploitation of an ESRB rating

2. Violence

*                   Graphic and/or excessive depictions of violence

*                   Graphic and/or violent depictions of the use of weapons

*                   Graphic and/or excessive depictions of blood and/or gore


Here, then, is the problem that amounts to fraud:  The ESRB seeks to enforce two mutually exclusive advertising Principles and Guidelines, and it is doing so in order to hide, as opposed to reveal, the true content of games from the public, most notably parents. 


More specifically, the trailers for Fallout 3 in fact comply with Principle #1, above, in that they “accurately reflect the nature and content of the product it represents and the rating issued.”  The trailers show the exploding heads in the game.  They show the violence that is the hallmark of the game.  As the narrator in the following trailer states, the exploding heads “never get old.”  See http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/10/28/eve-launch-fallout-3-trailer-unexpectedly-yanked


However, the ESRB, at the same time that it supposedly mandates “truth in advertising” mandates adherence to a completely contradictory Principle #4: “No advertisement should contain any content that is likely to cause serious or widespread offense to the average consumer.”


The ESRB cannot insist upon both Principle 1 and Principle 4.  Either advertising must be truthful as to what is really in the game, or ads cannot cause offense.  The ESRB can’t have it both ways.  Proof of the disharmony in these two Principles is that the ESRB strong armed Bethesda into pulling the trailers precisely because they were accurate as to the content in the game.

Look then at the disharmony also in the ESRB “Guidelines” as well, above:  Under Guideline #1, there must not be “Misrepresentations regarding the character and/or rating of a product” or  “Inaccurate or false content,” in the advertising, but Guideline #2 mandates that game advertising shall not contain “Graphic and/or excessive depictions of violence” or “Graphic and/or violent depictions of the use of weapons” or “Graphic and/or excessive depictions of blood and/or gore.”

Wait a minute.  If the advertising for Fallout 3 is to be truthful and accurate it MUST reveal the endemic and high levels in the game of blood and gore, the graphic and violent use of weapons, and the graphic depictions of violence!           

Let me then conclude by pointing out the obvious:  The ESRB’s Principles and Guidelines are not intended to protect the public.  They are obviously intended to protect the video game industry from the public backlash prior to a hyperviolent game’s commercial release.   The ESRB, by allowing such violence in games but not in the advertising is institutionally mandating the cloaking of a game’s real content from the public in advertising.

Thus, the ESRB is actively using its “watchdog” muscle to intimidate game developers into participating in the ESRB’s long-standing shell game by which it has tried to hoodwink Congress and the American people into thinking that the video game rating system is working, that the ratings are reliable, and that minors are being protected from the sale of “Mature” games.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  The ESRB is in fact mandating false advertising to protect the industry and the ESRB/ESA as well.

The current uproar over Fallout 3 and the above examination of its two totally contradictory sets of Principles and Guidelines prove that the ESRB is simply a video game  industry that is fraudulently facilitating the sale of inappropriate interactive sex and violence to minors in violation of federal and state RICO and Fraudulent and Deceptive Trade Practices laws.  Take-Two, for example, knows that if it adhered to “truth in advertising,” most of its Grand Theft Auto games never would have made it out of the warehouse.  Take-Two has figured out how to collaborate with the ESRB in this shell game by which false advertising cloaks the real nature of their games until the games are released, and then it is too late.

I call upon the FTC to act today to end this fraudulent, illegal charade by the ESRB.  If there is to be “truth in advertising” then game advertising must accurately reflect what is in the games sold.

Bethesda’s only sin was that it advertised truthfully what its game Fallout 3 is all about.  The ESRB’s idiotic but telling response has fashioned a noose that I expect either the FTC or Congress to slip around the ESRB’s neck.  Please do so.  If you don’t, I shall.

Regards, Jack Thompson 

Copies:  ESRB, ESA, ECA

              Congressman Fred Upton

              Media



 

 


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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Jack would love to visit Vault 112 in the game.

For those who got that far, you know what I'm talking about.  For those who don't, I won't spoil it for you.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Good luck with unemployment, Jack...

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

It's a good thing I didn't celebrate his disbarment. I'm waiting for Thompson's karmarang to come back and nail him between the eyes.

Then I'll celebrate while I watch him tear himself apart trying to hold onto his anti-games crusade with one hand while fighting off First Amendment suits with the other.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I agree.

I'm just wondering if there have been any filed yet.

Will we be hearing about his suits here, Dennis, sir?

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

"The ESRB’s [advertising] Principles and Guidelines are not intended to protect the public.  They are obviously intended to protect the video game industry from the public backlash prior to a hyperviolent game’s commercial release."

I was scared there for a minute, because Jack Thompson was saying something that is actually right.

But then he veered off into Crazytown with the "not showing mature content in the commercial is false advertising" claim.

Jack, it sounds like you're suggesting that any movie that shows bare breasts should put them in its advertising.

...Actually, that sounds pretty awesome.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

The biggest issue is is that there are much, MUCH bigger problems in the world than violent video games.

Sexual abuse, child prostitution, poverty, gang violence, lack of counseling for those effected... and, well, too little space to list them all here

The point is is that Thompson and people like him, for instance the PTC, are covering up these issues, and the people effected by them as an extension may not ever get help, and yanking away a vice as some of these people suggest could easily make the issue worse.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

*facepalm*

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I thought the actual reason for the recall was never reviled.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

GREATEST. SPELLING ERROR. EVER.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

You beat me to it.

DARN YOU!!!!

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

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In a way I have to agree with Jack for once. The publishers should be allowed to show exactly what they want from the game without hindrance. All the "clean" images are somewhat misleading and piss me off as a gamer.

 

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Most of those reading at home would be inclined to ridicule anything Jack would have to say. However, this is just as problematic and is endemic of a defender's own bias, totally unwilling to listen to anything contrary to his own opinion. Ultimately, there is a grain of truth is this, his most recent thesis, but it's not what he might have intended.

That the ESRB would censor the advertisement of Fallout 3 is a problem, but it is not a problem of the ESRB, despite Thompson's assertions. His supporting claim is that if GTA's advertising showed the graphic nature of those games, that they would never have been sold. In truth, they would probably have sold more, at least in the short-term.

ESRB censored Fallout 3 to protect the developers so that alarmists like Jack Thompson and the like would not have had a reason to vocalize yet again. Unfortunately, the crime is almost never in the action, it's in the cover-up.

The greater problem is the public view of games. On the internet, any members of a group can be prevalent among itself, including gamers. But the truth is that most people are like Jack, distrustful and legitimately alarmed at what must at least appear to be a degradation of moral society. It is not, but that's not the point.

The argument has been made time and time again; novels of the 19th and early 20th century, comic books of the 40s and 50s, and rock music of the 60s and 70s (and 80s and 90s and...), video games are the latest scapegoat. Despite all evidence to the contrary, people who are shocked by violence/sex in videogames (the non-desensitized) point to them as the reason for the failings of man, at least for today. Some are able to recognize that that is not truly the case: the crazy are crazy before they played a video game, not because of it. However, those same people might point to the desensitization itself and say that that is the true failing.

I think that there is some truth to that assumption. Still, people have come to enjoy violence, or at least accept it, in and around their lives since long before videogames. In truth, the natural world is a very violent place and someone or something that was repelled by sight or thought of blood, let alone death and dismemberment, was in for a rough ride indeed.

Does that mean that it is a circular problem, that one must accept violence because it is all around us? No. That is a coward's answer. Man is bigger than his failings.

Despite his abhorrent habit of sending caustic and abusive emailings to the world over, it might come as a surprise to most gamers that John Bruce Thompson loves his wife and son and that they return his love unconditionally, that he believes the core of what he is saying. Unfortunately he has fallen into the trap of doing anything for a cause, including being untruthful at times. I am sure that he believes that he has made the ultimate sacrifice now and that he is a martyr for it. But don't believe for a minute that he'll stop speaking, nor would I want him to.

Seek not to silence your opponents, seek to convince them. Censorship never works for either side.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

True, but you can't have dialogue with someone who, besides not even listening, screams at and insults you just for disagreeing with him.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

"However, this is just as problematic and is endemic of a defender's own bias, totally unwilling to listen to anything contrary to his own opinion."

Um, the man is a lunatic.  Sorry, but there are some people who are just so bat-shit out of their mind that you really don't have to listen to their point of view.

 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I never said that he was right overall, but that his statements pointed to a larger problem, even if it wasn't the one he meant.

-Nate http://nate.tronerud.com/

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

So I take it when Jack goes to the movies he has a problem with the phrase: "The following preview has been approved for all audiences", when refering to a movie that will be rated R?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

sadly, no. that's what makes him a hypocrite

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Ahh its good to see pointless bollocks again.

Is it just me or has jacks letter writing improved somewhat? I only read the letter through once and fairly quickly but I didn't see any major spelling errors or pictures of a penis in another man's mouth.

Side topic: Am I the only person here who things fallout 3 looks really boring?

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Not reading the letter, not reading the comments, don't feel like it. Hit the road Jack.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I wonder how he'll react to Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe for including SOME fatalities (The Joker has one where he shoots the other player in the head offscreen)...

I can see it now:

Jack Thompson: "Midway games has done it again in releasing a clearly "M" rated game to children by slapping comic books characters on the cover and in the game's content. The trailer shows DC comics character Batman exchanging blows with Subzero and then ripping out his spine and using it as a toothbrush. Midway games should be held accountable for everyone with cronic back problems, or I will send more pointless letters to your company head and make myself look more insane than I already am."

Midway: "... what are you talking about? the DC superheros don't HAVE fatalies, and the game's being toned down for a "T" rating. Are you high or Just stupid?"

Jack Thompson: "I'm not high. I'm the greatest anti-videogamer lawyer in the world."

Midway: "Riiiiight..."

 

-Cougar Leon, The Werecat

-Cougar_Leon, The Goddammed Werecat

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

@everyone who's been mentioning the disbarrment
The rest of the world wont know that. It's not like JACK is going to tell them, unless it's to "prove" a supposed conspiracy. I see you guys point though.

Here at GP, we all know he's a joke, but it's not funny anymore. It's just plain sad. He feeds off of attention and the best way to punish a powerless attention-whore is to ignore him. We should, from now on, never mention the attention-whore by name. Or maybe keep all his rantings in a category, but not appear on the front page.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

'' call upon the FTC to act today to end this fraudulent, illegal charade by the ESRB. If there is to be “truth in advertising” then game advertising must accurately reflect what is in the games sold. ''

.....yeeeaaahh..... um.. mr thompson, did u miss the big RATED M FOR MATURE part in the adverts??

Ill give you a hint.

The clue was there.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

wheres the letter to tell them to stop airing movie and TV trailers that don't show the true nature of the movie/show?

i don't recall much in the way of gore shown in the texas chainsaw massacre tv spots, or for the doom movie, SAW, Silence of the Lambs, etc....

 

oh thats right, they tried that stuff in the 80's... and it FAILED, just as every case JT has tried to pull in almost his entire carreer.

i'd like to see him try and go after the FTC. he's a disbarred lawyer who's word is like that of a convict who's track record would argue against his claims of recent crimes not being his own.

judges and jury's will take history like that into account, and JT's word doesn't mean anything anymore after his loss of license, and the marring effect it'll forever have on his carreer. (and possible sadly his wife's as well :/ speaking of her, how can he complain when marshalls knock on his door as she's recovering, but he himself runs self inflicted crusades half across the country at any given time... makes one wonder a few things right there... i won't mention what, so let your imaginations run wild. Hope she's recovering(ed?) well though either way...)

its just common etiqutte to censor the previews, but at the end of every preview, GAMES INCLUDED, the rating is shown as whatever the media format has gotten for its stuff.

M for games, and R for movies (U.S.A anywho) and usualy they also include reasons (nudity, sexual content, violence, etc...)

besides that, most game trailers DO show a LOT of violence and such, i mean cripes the Gears  2trailers only show a massive battle and a locust being used as a meat shield.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Since he's been disbarred, why does anyone anywhere care what he thinks?

He's a moot point now. Can we ignore him as such, please?

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

You could have done that by skipping over the article and reading any of the numerous others Dennis posted today. Sort of like I did with the ones that didn't interest me.

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

No, we can't, because disbarment didn't do shit to him, other than give him something else to brag about.

Something has to happen to him that he can't take and warp to his own twisted way of thinking.

Also, he's a source of 1u1z. Take away my 1u1z, and I will hunt you down. Can't say anymore without provoking action from Dennis, so I'll leave it at that.

OFF TOPIC: I compare JT to Kristoph Gavin from Apollo Justice, except for the glaring differences. To sum my point up, they're both batshit crazy.

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Jack I already told you this is Christmas Season and Best Buy needs all the help it can get.

Seriously do something meaningful with your life.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

So is JT like some weird sort of vampire who gets nourishment off of minor media coverage? I ask this because it's obvious that he doesn't get it from being relevant... or he'd have starved to death already.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Jack Thompson, you are so full of shit. Nobody is trying to hide anything. Anyone at any time can use the internet to look up Fallout 3 and learn what content is in the game. Or how about being familiar with the series? If you know Fallout by name, you already know what you're in for.

If they hadn't pulled the trailer, you would still be jumping all over it because of the viloence depicted.

Seriously, Jack, you need to show me the store where you got the balls to be a total dickwad.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I can just imagine the reaction to the person he wrote that too:

"For god's sake we have another holier than thou idiot member of the PTA, just toss this in the garbage. Why would some moron threat us?"

The game is rated M, they yanked the trailers to make sure that over sensitive people don't get offended. You would think Jack, the moron crackpot that he is, would actually be thankful. Ah well, another annoying old fart writing letters that they don't like the "vidja game commercials because they take up my 'The Price is Right' time! Shame on you kids!"

Score none for the idiotic ex-lawyer

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

As many other people on here, I will point out a simple mistake of logic J-boy has made.

When you are playing the game, you have bought it. One would assume that you saw the cover of the game when you bought it, and thus were warned of the violence inside (it's that large black and white block, can't miss it). Actually, one could assume that if you are forking over $60, you know what you are paying for, but that is neither here nor there. However, in an ad, you didn't agree to anything. You could be watching Samurai Pizza Cats and then see someone's head blown off, which has little to do with Saurai's, Pizza, or even Cats. That is why comercials and trailers are usually trimed down to not include any controvercial material.

See, that is why trailers for movies are also rated. Before the trailer starts in the theater, it states "The following previews have been rated _". It is usually a G or a PG. I wouldn't go to the theater and watch Care Bares and the Secret of Carealot and expect to see an R rated trailer for Hostel V: We'll Leave the Lights on For You. Such could cause complaints.

That is why the violent comercial was asked to be pulled. Becaue the people watching it might not have been warned about it's rating, and you shouldn't have to change the channel on TV to avoid graphic ads. Also, the ESRB wasn't the one that pulled it. They asked the publisher to pull it. The publisher complied.

Also, since a trailer doesn't claim to accurately portray every even in the game, it is not required to show that the game is violent. Some of the Fallout 3 trailers just showed old time music playing and as the scene zoomed out you saw the area was a bombed out wasteland. Funny, it didn't portray the game at all, and you aren't complaining about that trailer. At this point you are beginning to show your true colors, chomping at the bit for anything you can complain about. Oh how the pathetic have fallen... even further.

So, J-boy, like in life and in court, in this too, you fail.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I don't get it.

Fallout 3 is rated M for Mature (17+).

The trailers were likely yanked because they were displaying M content to a wide audience.  Sounds like Bethesda wanted to take the sensible approach likely to avoid controversy and pull those trailers based on the rating, to avoid offending people like JT.

But JT is complaining that they were yanked?  Why?  He is vehemently against violence in games, and this company has tried to limit the showing of Mature content to a Mature audience.  Bethesda isn't 'hiding' anything, the game is still rated M.

Why are you not praising Bethesda for this JT?  Or is it that you want Video Game companies to actively advertise violence to children merely so that you feel justified in attacking someone?

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I am currently re-reading the letter. I didn't like the pull-dwn orders of the Fallout 3 trailer, I'd much rather it be advertised as it is. That said, I wish Jack would stop writing as if he had an entitlement, or as if he is the police force. It's as if he's some sort of backseat moderator that drives everyone up the wall. Only this time, he's been banned from being a trusted "World Forum Poster".

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

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2. Violence

*            violence -     Graphic and/or excessive depictions of violence

Gee.. do you think ..

how is that a definition... thats like saying  ' a definition of violence.. yeah.. well its.... err..  well.. violence...... you dummy.. dont you know anything. '

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Isn't there a rule that you can't define a word by using said word in the definition?

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

yeah he sounds like a 5 year old.

 

kid 1: " do you know what poo poo head means?'

kid 2(clueless): " YEAH, course i do, its a poo poo head".

i mean.. that was probably a little too intellectual a comparison to DisbarredGuy, but you can see my point.

 

goes with his whole 5 year old,  *fingers in ears* '' La La La, I CANT HEAR YOU!, SO ITS NOT HAPPENING" attitude to his epic losses over the last few years.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

He got disbarred. Can we let this die already?

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

What does him being disbarred have to do with anything?  He was just as much a "threat" now as he was before his disbarment.  Tht being laughably none.  And him being disbarred doesn't make any of his failuers any less amsuing.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Ugh. I never thought I'd be saying this, But can we start ignoring this guy's rantings now? Whereas he used to be a threat, now he's just annoying.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

or I will.....

what, harrass their mothers? 

The only thing I can see JTroll wading in is a hog-waste lagoon.

 

 

Insanity has its toll. Please have exact change.

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Why does the ESRB have control over video game ads?  When can we have the first amendment back?

--- Official Protector of Videoland!

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Publishers are welcome to not have their game rated.  They are then free to run any ad they want.

Of course, none of the consoles will license an unrated game so...

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Its all part of the contract. In return for allowing the publisher/developer use their rating symbol on their packaging and advertising, the publisher/developer agree to follow certain advertising guidelines. The publisher/developer are well aware of those guidelines when they get their game rated.

If they don't like the guidelines, they can choose not to have their game rated and thus not be obligated to follow them.

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Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

You know jack, this is about the point where any rational human being would have backed off. I mean, going against the video game industry got you disbarred. You really thing it's good to taunt the army of lawyers now that your legally not able to practice law in florida? 

As for fallout 3, it's not nearly as bad as most people think. The worst part about the game isn't the violence, no no. It's the fact that it's riddled with bugs. some of which make the game nearly unplayable.

Wish someone would run a story on that some time soon. Still, it is funny to watch jacks flailing about like an idiot.

"Good,bad, I'm the guy with the GUN" Bruce cambell as ash, Army of darkness.

"My name is Lenerd Church, and you will fear my LASER FACE"

Who cares?

Because everyone gives a shit what Disbarredguy says. And just a little note: In a comercial, you don't need to show every piece of objectionable content. That's what the "RATED M FOR MATURE" bit is all about.

 

-Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers! -The Buck Stops Here. -Thou Shall Not Teamkill, Asshole.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Yes, Jack, I would like fries with that!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

Jack, you're just an unemployed private citizen, you don't matter anymore.  You pose no threat to these companies any more, either.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

This is just stupid.  WHO CARES ABOUT A LETTER JACK THOMPSON SENT?  God Damn it, people send letters to the FCC, FTC, FBI, etx EVERY DAY.  Jack Thompson is now a NOBODY. 

How about the next time I write a letter to a government body (and I have), I get a story on GP.  After all, I have as much to do with the games industry and the law as Jack Thompson does now...

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

to be fair, he sent a letter about GAMEs to a POLITICal organization.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

Re: Jack Thompson Wades Into Fallout 3 Trailer Controversy

I ask you a simple question: WHY. DO. YOU. CARE?!

You're NOT being forced to read any specific article here, Dennis is NOT gaining or losing anything from posting it or not posting it, and for crying out loud, he posts half a dozen articles A DAY. JUST SKIP IT.

GAWD.

 
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