Missing Gamer Found Dead

Toronto TV station CP-24 is reporting that missing gamer Brandon Crisp has been found dead.

From the report: 

Police have found the body of missing Barrie-area boy Brandon Crisp… He was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area…

 

A massive search was underway for the teen in Shanty Bay on the Oro Medonte Rail Trail, just outside of Barrie, since his disappearance on Thanksgiving Day.

 

Last week, a second witness confirmed seeing Crisp on the trail the night he disappeared.

CTV spoke with Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of the Barrie Police: 

At this point we believe it to be Brandon, and we’re still obviously in the early stages of our investigation, It’s not confirmed because nothing’s confirmed until we have pathology, but we believe it to be Brandon… [Brandon’s parents are] obviously distraught by the information.

On the Facebook group Where is Brandon Crisp? some posters are saying that Brandon’s body was discovered by hunters, but that is unconfirmed by police at this point. The London Free Press also reports that Brandon was found by hunters.

UPDATE: The Facebook group has been removed by its moderator, apparently over hurtful remarks being posted.

UPDATE 2: Police are now saying that they don’t suspect foul play. CTV quotes Ontario Provincial Police Const. George Silvestri:

Our indication is, at this time, no foul play suspected, but of course we have to examine every possibility… There’s absolutely no fear for any residents of Oro-Medonte. This is a safe community.

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481 comments

  1. DeepThorn says:

    I want to see a child in that kid’s situation, and as punishment, the parent FORCE the kid to keep playing, because if he stops for more than 10 minutes they will take the console away from him.  So he better figure out a way to keep playing.  The kid would end up so freakin tired of the game that he wouldn’t want to play anymore about a while, especially with the thought that, I am being forced to play.  That would kill the fun of it quite a bit.

    Maybe let him sleep, then have to get right back on the games, but either way, it would be interesting to see the result, see how long the kid plays until he gets sick of it.


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  2. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    That’s true, but I still reserve the right to call you a jackass.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  3. BlackIce says:

    That’s because there isn’t actually anyone up there to listen to them.

    ~You Could Be Mine, But You’re Way Out Of Line..~

  4. Flamespeak says:

    Having a dead child because you acted immature and packed his stuff to help him run away in the middle of winter instead of stopping him and just letting him play a video game for a few hours is punishment enough, in my book.

    Of course if he was in America he would be getting a manslaughter charge for helping the kid run away which lead to his death. (if the cause of death is exposure to the elements).

  5. KayleL says:

    They have been doing a lot of searching. They even considered that he made it to Toronto. GP had reported that Man Tracker was helping too

  6. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    200% on my end.

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  7. Austin_Lewis says:

    Brad, I think you ought be ashamed showing your face here, after you lied earlier about having ‘sources’ (I don’t know about the rest of the people here, but when I have ‘sources’ at a media outlet telling me things, they don’t give me the wrong information after the factual information has been printed) and basically twisted this whole ordeal for some exposure.  Or how about when you edited comments to make another idiotic statement?

    Let’s face it.  You didn’t really care about the child, you just cared about making your statement.  Well, here’s some facts for you asshole; 93% of youths 6-18 play videogames, and a large portion of the adult population does too, and there are very few instances of people becoming as addicted as you like to think people are.  Your point wasn’t made any stronger by dragging the name of a missing child along with it.

  8. Austin_Lewis says:

    They didn’t even check around the area that he was last reported to be seen in is what it looks like.  And that, ladies and gentlemen, is terrible policing. 

    Seriously, this whole department needs to be disbanded and replaced under new leadership.

  9. gamepolitics says:

    As a parent of teens, I can say that it’s not always easy to know what the exactly right thing to do is in every situation.

    If there’s one thing of which we can be sure, it’s that his parents will suffer for the rest of their lives over one wrong decision.

    So, while we may not like seeing games blamed, that was the media capitalizing on what the disraught parents were theorizing.

    Please try to be human about this.

     


  10. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    lol… but I really believe he is saying in his head over and over:

    it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it– it´s not my fault, videogames did it–it´s not my fault, videogames did it–"it´s not my fault, videogames did it– 

    It´s scary…

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  11. sheppy says:

    Okay, quick question for you.  What is the value of this life over all others?  People die everyday.  Hell, someone I knew in high school recently had half her face caved in by her abusive husband.  I will shed tears for her, I will bleed for her.  But I cannot bleed for everyone.

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  12. metroidprimegmr says:

    lol epic. You should have a full-time job for this stuff.

    I can see it now… "The Cynical Gamer: Only on Comedy Central!"

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  13. DarkSaber says:

    Manhunter: Fat lot of good he was when it actually matters.

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  14. SimonBob says:

    Well, it’s bogland and hilly terrain, so not expansive but still rough in places.  And they got a lot more people out as the story got bigger — they even got the Manhunter guy from Alberta.

    As for the concentration on the X-Box aspect, well, the cops needed a new angle to give the media a reason to keep the story alive.  So they went from "we’re looking into it" to "we think it’s the key" to "hey guys: video games!"


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  15. Serrenity says:

    I stand by my original statement:

     

    Disgusting.

     

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Krishnamurti

  16. ConnorM5 says:

    Well, Darwin award if the "I played Call of Duty, I’m a survivalist" stuff has any merit. Though, judging from the rest of the stuff surrounding this… it probably doesnt.

  17. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    That is exactly how I feel now…except for the "Darwin award" stuff…Ouch…

    Anyways, kudos on the post. But there is no handing out wins for today. Brandon Crisp, you will be missed. Rest in peace, fellow gamer.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  18. DarkSaber says:

    Hmmm, using tragedy to self-promote……now who do we know that does that?

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  19. DarkSaber says:

    Of course people are going to care more about a service they are paying for being unavailable for a week over someone they don’t know going missing.

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  20. hosehead says:

    I find your decision to hock your goods and services over the mourning of this dead child, repulsive.

    Just because you couldn’t define your limits doesn’t mean you should impose Christ on people in your ’12 steps to freedom’.  I should join your club just to infiltrate and disseminate real freedom among your members.

  21. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Dude…shut up. "Boo hoo, everyone’s so selfish!" If something happened and everyone started blaming you, even though you had nothing to do with it, wouldn’t you be expecting the other side to continuously blame you for the end results? Hell, wouldn’t you want to place blame on something else just to get it and everyone else off your back?

    I do agree with your last part, though, and I hope the family can overcome this tragedy in time. Godspeed, fellow gamer.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  22. ConnorM5 says:

    You know, I feel an odd mix of things. Sorrow than a young person is dead before they ever got a chance to live their life, and for the family and friends. Anger at the parents for failing to protect and raise him. Regret that this whole ordeal has a link to games. Apathy at the kid himself. Disgust with his father. Resigning myself that this could be a nomination for a Darwin award.

    But over all, somebody’s dead. Humans arent in this world for too long, and when they’re around for an even shorter time, it’s very sad. What will be even more cause to weep will be if he becomes an unwilling martyr for people who would denounce games as something evil and to be feared.

  23. Loudspeaker says:

    This is very sad indeed.  Hopefully the police get enough information to wrap up their investigation.

    My condolences to their family.  Right or wrong they must live with this the rest of their lives.  Sad all the way around.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  24. Nekowolf says:

    Easier one: it’s also called "Not reading." And before you say, "but that’s all there was," then I say, 1. Bullshit. 2. Go elsewhere to read then.

  25. Nekowolf says:

    By how long it took, and looking at other factors, by now it was pretty much, yeah. I was almost certain he’d have been dead by now. If he was found alive, I would have been VERY surprised. But…best to wait for police conformation for now.

  26. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Don’t summon him, you jackass! The less we speak about him, the less we seem to care. Get it?! Don’t summon the troll!

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  27. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Wow, that really is horrible. While I may disagree to a cetain extent with their willingness to blame the entire thing on video games, I feel completely awful for the parents.

  28. Geoff says:

    True, but I don’t think the forests around Barrie are exactly expansive wilderness like what you find near the Rockies in the Oregon/Washington area.  Also, as far as I know, there wasn’t massive search parties being conducted by the family/friends/neighbors. 

     

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  29. exgamerdotnet says:

    GP: The text of this post was removed at the user’s request. I did not simply delete it because doing so would auto-delete the replies as well and none of those who replied have requested to have their post removed.

  30. Geoff says:

    Yes, and I was actually near the area this past weekend for a friend’s wedding.  It’s a very rural area, lots of farmland and from what I saw some decent sized forests dotting the landscape.

    With that said, I have to question if they placed full effort on combing the area.  The boy was missing for, what, 23 days and the entire time he apparently had not left the county. 

    Tell me, throughout the investigation what did we hear about in terms of their efforts to search, besides that they were "investigating"?  Were there large amounts of police searching the area?  Did the parents gather friends, family, and neighbors and search for themselves?  How about police in the neighboring counties?  Checking with border patrol?  It may be possible that some of these things were going on but the emphasis was constantly on "we’re looking at his Xbox", "we’re checking out the people he knows online", etc. etc. as if information they find there would have been the smoking gun.  Hell he was gone for almost a month and earlier today we were STILL hearing about how they were investigating his Xbox.

    They may have put forth a credible search, but from the information given there was an unhealthy obsession with the Xbox 360 like it would crack open the case wide open.  That’s what I’m getting at.

    I suppose it is entirely possible that he was abducted and then dumped, but I guess we’ll find out as more information is released.  If he was found to have died from exposure or some such event, though, I’m going to be skeptical with just how much effort the police did in searching the surrounding area.

     

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  31. DarkSaber says:

    I guess his CoD 4 addiction led him to believe he was as good as the SAS and that he could survive in the wild.

    That or he ran out of quarters for extra lives.

    Game Over.

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  32. DarkSaber says:

    Life is cheap. There’ll be another human along any second now.

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  33. txshurricane says:

    I’m dismayed by the comments that just continuously look to place blame on something other than an unfortunate incident stemming from a common household situation.

    A real tragedy to some of these turds is when Live goes down for a week. Everyone is so selfish!

    I feel for the family, and hope they recover.

  34. DarkSaber says:

    You’re absolutely right.

    You need a stick as well. Y’know, for poking in bushes with.

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  35. Mr. Stodern says:

    Some people simply look at the whole "games being blamed for everything-under-the-sun" as being part of a very large issue, which is in turn bigger than one dead kid.

    Can’t say I disagree.

  36. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Oh, shit!

    That is NOT good.

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  37. Serrenity says:

    So I had a gut response … I’ll admit the Good Riddance was a bit over the top …. just … yeah

    I’m still disgusted by the disregard for like that some people (note: not all) have shown for this kid’s life. 

    You look what’s been said – there are some people that have mentioned nothing of the loss and immediately start complaining and moaning about the backlash of video games and COMPLETELY disregard the fact that a 15yo boy is dead … I mean, come on.  Put the agenda aside long enough to actually acknowledge the tragedy that this represents — there is humanity behind the issue.

    Compassion is the name of the game

     

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  38. Alevan says:

    This is such a tragedy. I really had prayed he was just at a friend’s house and hiding from the police… but as it went on, part of me began to wonder if he was murdered. I’ll wait for the results of the autopsy before I make any decision as to what happened here.

    Despite the parents’ situation, my heart goes out to them.

    Amy Levandoski

  39. Mr. Stodern says:

    Not that I think you honestly do, but who gives a shit? Everything he might say will be geared towards being a douche. Nothing more.

  40. Mr. Stodern says:

    "Good riddance"?

    You need to learn how to read. And if you have an issue with us taking issue with the blame-game crap, take it up with the kid’s parents. We wouldn’t be saying such things without them having opened their mouths to say something so stupid.

  41. I_Kerotan_I says:

    I’m placing cause of death as exposure, I don’t worry about Videogames being blammed for his death, Videogames are big enough that they can withstand the allegations that they caused a single death, what I worry about is the family, who if they come to said conclusion will have no remote sense of closure on the whole issue, it sounds cliche, but I don’t think I could run with the whole "CoD 4" killed my son, it just doesn’t make sense.

  42. Serrenity says:

    Good to see we have so many heartening individuals here. 

    This is a tragedy.  It sucks, it’s very sad.  I think all the snide, sarcastic, and outright ignorant remarks should be stopped now.  Who cares who they blame at the moment?  A kid is dead, a gamer is dead, one of your own community and all some of you can say amounts to, "good riddence"

    Disgusting.

     

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Krishnamurti

  43. Neeneko says:

    The big question will be, is JT going to offer his expert services to the family to help them sue microsoft? Or perhaps start ranting that the police are covering up the gaming connection and try to force them to release details about the xbox live account?

    Or will he simply make fun of the guy’s friends for not being ‘real’ and say that if he had been doing more godly things he would be alive.  Banned here or not, I’m sure he will say something vile somewhere.

    (and looking at the cbc thread there are already people saying that the kid was dead because he did not follow god’s rules)

  44. Nocturne says:

    I think the best thing now is that they start looking into how he died rather than why he ran away. Whatever the circumstances for him leaving, this is tragic.

  45. Mr. Stodern says:

    This is too good for him.

    And how vile is that? I’m willing to bet that he ACTUALLY experiences GLEE when something like this happens, just because it gives him the ability to be a bigger asshole than ever before.

    He may be a joke, but he’s also a monster.

  46. gamadaya says:

    For your own safety, never turn on a TV or listen to the news again. Your head might explode from the grief you will feel.

  47. HarmlessBunny says:

    He has in previous articles of this, sadly…and he has been harassing the Barrie police, calling them and "offering his expert advice"…

    He is nothing but a f^%#ing ambulence chaser…

  48. MaskedPixelante says:

    Let’s hope Jack stays out of this one… he’s not going to, is he? Can we get the banhammer ready for when he decides to comment?

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  49. magic_taco says:

    Heard what happened, This is Sad.

    Its sad enough to hear he’s gone, But the aftermath is going to be hell when you have idiots and morons blaming his death over his "addiction" .

     

  50. Geoff says:

    In regards to the police, there’s only one thing I can think of;

    "That’s some fine police work, Lou."

    Seriously, maybe if they did some actual searching instead of putzing around with the Xbox 360 like it was the friggin’ Ark of the Covenant maybe they would have found him in time.  I mean what did they expect to find in there?

    I guess the next question we should wonder is if it was foul play or not.

     

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  51. Cecil475 says:

    Yes, please. The horse is dead and is beaten beyond recognition We get the point that Amen4u and the rest of us have diffrent viewpoints and we are going to disagree, Thats a given, and we don’t need to give those with opposing viewpoints to think we act like a bunch of kids. *looks at  Austin_Lewis*

    Brandon Crisp is dead. Weither it was a addiction to a videogame or bad parenting that led him to run away is no longer an issue. The cause of his death, for the time being is, and we won’t know that till later. Much later. Maybe, at best a week or two, I think so anyway.

    This thread has turned from responses about the death of a boy, to bickering back and forth about defending a hobby. I am guilty of doing this too. I am not blameless. If we keep this up, who is to say thet we are any better than Thompson?

    Amen4u, as others have said please stay with us if you wish, I think an alternate viewpoint would be welcome. Heck, I would think Leeland Yee, would be welcome here if he were to post. Yeah, he has a opposing viewpoint that us but he would be more civil than you know who. Even Amen4u is that way.

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  52. Adamas Draconis says:

    Bloody hell! This has passed the point of Sado-Beastial Necrophillia and gotten into flat out Rediculousness. It’s done, drop it!

     

     Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  53. Adamas Draconis says:

    **Watches Zippy being used as a hammer** I’m just gonna enjoy my coffee

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  54. BearDogg-X says:

    Joshua’s a poster she was responding to, Nightwng.

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  55. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    AUSTIN, SHUT THE F*** UP ALREADY!!! JESUS!!! Your insults to Amen4u will get you the BanHammer, and you’ll be seeing Tarosan again.

    (I’d use big text to emphasize, but I got yelled at for doing it on the Forums and I don’t want to get the BanHammer myself.)

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  56. nightwng2000 says:

    I have seen a number of contridictions and hypocriscy from "her".

    Most notably is the argument that she didn’t come here to debate but to gain insight into Brandon’s thoughts.

    She spews a diatribe about "Game Addiction".

    A debate topic.

    She says she wants to gain insight into Brandon’s thoughts.

    But she doesn’t care about our opinions and comments (specifically stated by her).

    Not to mention that it’s far more unlikely that any long time members here knew him as the community he was reportedly publically associated with was the COD4 XBox Live community, not GP’s community.

    And, though "her" identity doesn’t really matter to me in the long run, "she" refers to her "husband".  But at the very end of one of her posts, the name Joshua (I can’t remember the last name) popped up out of the blue.  Who is that?

    Is Joshua the poster?  Not a female name.  But we’re assuming because they are talking about their "husband" that it must be a woman.  If it’s a homosexual couple, no skin off my nose and I couldn’t care less, but it leaves an apparent identity crisis to them as we’ve assumed "she" and there feels something a little misleading going on.  Not that I care about identity, but the character of the individual also does apply, even to a tiny degree.  And faking, as opposed to being anonymous, one’s identity leads one to wonder what other deceit is possible.

    Still, I take it in stride and counterargue the important points.

    Nightwng2000

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  57. Austin_Lewis says:

    Oh, don’t get me wrong.  I’d say the same thing to their faces.  They spent three weeks blaming video games and the online community for a child’s death instead of, you know, telling the investigators what was really going wrong in the household that led to this.  Was the Xbox the thing that broke the camel’s back?  Certainly.  But was addiction the cause?  I doubt it.

    A little boy hiding behind a ‘computor’?  Once again, I’d say the same thing in person.

    Three or four usernames?  You know who you should ask about that?  Dennis McCauley.  But isn’t this your second one Yahweh?

    Actually, I have 12 usernames, Yahweh and Amen4u being two of them, and this has been a discussion with myself.  Tons of fun. (Please, note my sarcasm).

    I think its interesting that the ‘intelligent poster’s on this thread have actually seen through your bullshit and the fact that none of your facts match.  You are one of a variety of things.

    You could be

    1) A troll (you’re certainly unintelligent enough for it)

    2) A pathological liar looking for an audience

    3) One of those Olganon idiots looking to spread disinformation

    4) One of that rare breed of asshole who delights in feeling like they’re important by making up information about a big news event.

    No matter what, I know you’re a liar.

  58. BearDogg-X says:

    I highly doubt that saying "Go spout your idiocy in Canada, we’ve had enough of it on the internet" makes him anti-Canadian.

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  59. Austin_Lewis says:

    But here you are, pretending you know what happened better than everyone else and the news sources.

     

  60. Austin_Lewis says:

    Heil mein grammar fuhrer. 

    Great sentences by the way.  Do you want me to make my sentences shorter so that you can follow them?  Because you’re the only one that’s bitched about it so far.

  61. nightwng2000 says:

    :: Grabs Zippy and starts beating the computer with him. ::

    I can tell, most times, when it’s going to happen.  I hit the "Post Comments" button and the screen kinda jumps but doesn’t actually appear to be posting.  Then I hit it again, and sometimes I’ll end up with one post, sometimes two.

    It did it twice last night, but not yet this morning.  I’m not sure if it’s a problem on my end or on GP’s.  I know this rinky dink computer i’m using right now has problems on a regular basis.  Still, it’s annoying.

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  62. nightwng2000 says:

    1.  Reread my post.  I SPECIFICALLY stated that I didn’t blame him for his death.  I blamed them for his gaining control over them, which led to his running away which I blame them for.  His death was the responsibility of Brandon himself who chose that path, for whatever reason.

    2>  Do I look like I care if you look down on my Associates Degree?  Nope.  I do to.  Just like I look down on a lot of decisions I’ve made over the decades.  I don’t even give much value to my Salutatorian medal from high school graduation.  Why?  Because I was only 1 of 15 kids to graduate that year.  Kinda hard to have a large population when you’re going to a school for the blind and many kids are being merged into regular public schools. 

    3.  Do I claim to be an expert in Parenting?  Nope.  But clear observation of the choices made didn’t require a Parent, any more than your observations as a non-Expert in the field of psychology or addiction allowed you discern that Brandon suffered from "Game Addiction" as opposed to "Parental Control".  I’d say my 12 1/2 years of Parenting successes and failures gives me sufficient life experience to develop personal opinion Rights.

    4.  Yes, Zachary did take Adderall.  In fact, he started with a different medicine at a very young age.  And when discussing with the doctors and counselor (which I’ve stated long ago that EVERY child should have, whether they have any problems or not) specific negatives along with positives of the medications.  We discussed giving him the loswest effective doses without turning him to a zombie.  Since each child reacts differently (there’s that pesky individuality again), it was a matter of trial and error.  We fine tune it enough to where he’s far more focused with a properly chosen med than when he’s not on the med.  During a time of adjustment of meds, Adderall was suggested.  We did do proper research and were told if it didn’t work out, we’d try something else.  It worked in the very short term, but after several months, Adderall proved a dramatic failure for Zachary.  We kept a close watch on Zachary, so we had a clear idea when things went bad.  He’s been changed to a new med which, despite a couple of adjustments, is far better for him.  Indeed, the doctor’s office requires a special checkup every six months to continue prescribing the meds.  Works for me.  We keep VERY close tabs on the effectiveness of the meds.

    Wanna take a few more shots at me?  How about expanding your research efforts about me, since you want to do so, and search for my ID on both the old GamePolitics (on LiveJournal) and this new GP site and read some of my other long winded posts.

    Oh, and by the way, you came here, so you said, to get some insight on what may have happened to Brandon?  Bad choice.  Why?  Not because of our attitudes.  But because, to my knowledge, Brandon didn’t hang around here.  You see, he played COD4 online.  His close friends would be among THAT community.  If you wanted REAL insight into what Brandon was thinking, you, like the police and his family, should have gone and looked for his online friends.  They would have been able to give you better insight into Brandon’s thinking than people who didn’t personally communicate with him.

    If your chiild spends lots and lots of time with friends in the library, do you run and ask your local grocer what was going on in the mind of your child if they disappear? 

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

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  63. Amen4u says:

    I guess it really makes you feel like a man to use curse words, and hang a parent out to dry when they are not even here to defend themselves, eh Austin, You’re  a little boy hidding behind a computor and trying to make yourself look like you actually know what you are saying. You probably have three or four usernames on here just to try and convince everyone that you have support in your mean and evil ways. Well you don’t fool me or any other intellegent poster on this thread. May I suggest you seek proffesional help for your many personalites. None which I might add get any respect from me. I wouldn’t doubt it for a minute if you were both Austin and Nightwng. Maybe you should be on medication.

  64. Cecil475 says:

    CHILDREN! Calm the bleep down! ALL OF YA!  You are slinging insults around like you are all in Kindergarden! Can we have a little order here?

     – Warren Lewis


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  65. Amen4u says:

    Look I was not there to follow every single step of how they tried to solve the problem ok. Maybe they did try that, and maybe they didn’t. My God why are you doing this. I understand that you gamers get really defensive about gaming and addiction. But come now. Do you have to go as far as that. They did the best they could. They have loss their son, they are devasted and all you want to do is keep blaming them for what they could have done or what they didn’t do.

  66. Austin_Lewis says:

    Actually, if you want your ‘insider information’ from Brandon’s father to be accepted as fact, you do.  Because until it is established as fact, it is nothing, not worth entering into the conversation, and, let’s face it, you’re probably lying about it. 

  67. Austin_Lewis says:

    I’m sure you don’t care for my opinion, mainly because you can’t rebut anything I’ve said.  God forbid that I tear apart your narrow-minded and idiotic view on the matter.  Of course, it doesn’t much matter; all you have to substantiate your version of this story is your husband’s alleged work searching for the child (by the by, being a professional Search and Rescuer is like being a Weatherman), and a theory about what happened that isn’t substantiated by any research, or any history. 

    But what really offends me is that you think you can push your idiotic views on medication on other people and judge them.  Who are you to say that Nightwng is a bad parent because he gave his child the Aderral?  You obviously have no knowledge of medicine, and you don’t appear to have any knowledge on the Brandon Crisp story that we don’t already have, except a load of unsubstantiated bullshit.

    So why is it you don’t care about my comments?  Because the logic is pretty near airtight, unlike yours that are based on emotion and an all around lack of knowledge.

    By the by, go read up on the Ten Commandments.

  68. Amen4u says:

    I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK, I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. You already voiced your opinion on Canadians, why would I even give you the time of day. GO AWAY  and bug someone else.

  69. Kincyr says:

    Man you guys only read what you want to right.

    so do you, they didn’t even try to cancel the Live subscription

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  70. Amen4u says:

    I am not going to get caught up in a fight with you Austin, I wouldn’t give two cents for your thoughts, opinions, or comments. 

    Nightwng, maybe I was a little harsh on my comments to you, but you really do not have any right to judge Brandon’s parents for this tragedy. And although I do not agree with medicating children that have ADHD, I am sure that you probably have your reasons and they are non of my buisness.

  71. Austin_Lewis says:

    My my.  With that maturity, I really find it easy to believe what you say and take it as credible.

  72. Austin_Lewis says:

    My my, what intelligence you show with your reply.  I’m not trying to be the ‘grammar police’ (nice spelling), I’m just pointing out that you’re an idiot.  Either grow up enough to say bitch or leave the word out.

  73. Amen4u says:

    Man you guys only read what you want to right. Brandon’s parent did try all those things, They didn’t work. That is why they took it away from him completely.  The two day, one week thing did not work.

     

  74. Kincyr says:

    that, and using an at-sign just makes it stand out as an email link

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  75. Austin_Lewis says:

    Also, saying B@&tch doesn’t make it any less offensive.  The word still carries the same meaning, whether you write it as bitch, B@&tch, B1tch, or BITCH.  Grow up.

  76. Kincyr says:

    well, as nw2k said, the parents could’ve grounded Brandon for a week or two. They could have cancelled the Xbox Live subscription (the father is the one who signed up, so it’s his to cancel) limiting Brandon to the single-player mode until he quits out of boredom. But no, they tried to make him quit cold turkey.

    If gaming addiction is as bad is you think, cold turkey is not the way to go.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  77. Austin_Lewis says:

    I didn’t realize that the dead child had parenting skills.  Sadly, because his parents lacked them, we’ll never get to see if he had any. 

    Gaming addiction was unlikely to play a role in this event.  Why would I say that, you may ask?  Well, because when you deny an addict their addiction, THEY GO FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. Astounding, to be sure.

    You’ve done nothing to warrant an insult?  You didn’t go on a tirade about Nightwng’s child?  No?  Really?  Hold on, let me ask my wife if she saw what I did.  Yep, she did.  Do you enjoy insulting people’s children?  Do you think that treating people who are bipolar is a bad idea too, asshole?  Should we not give medication like Aderral, Dexadrine, Ritalin, etc. to kids who really need it?  Are you in any way capable of making an intelligent diagnosis on the mental or emotional (or even physical) health of Nightwng’s child?  No?  Are you capable of learning about these medications from a source other than wikipedia or webMD (two sites that have terrible information)? Still no? Then l’d shut my fucking mouth were I you.

    As for your ridiculous ‘omit from playing’ challenge, I was recently without power for a week.  My whole family got by just fine.  Hell, I didn’t even really change my daily routine; I just had to add in a five minute drive to my BP to get a newspaper every morning, plus another 20 minutes three times during that week so I could get a few hundred dollars’ worth of glow sticks to light my house. 

    You tried to ‘clarify some facts’ you say?  Like what?  The only fact I’ve seen anyone try and clarify thus far was from Yahweh, and I think she’s full of shit.  I’m going to trust the news before I trust her, and let’s face it, neither of you have anything to add to the conversation.

    You didn’t cast blame upon anyone?  No?  Who or what do you think ‘game addiction’ casts blame on?  The game?  The game caused him to run away?  Or are you a 12 step believer, in which case did God give Brandon this addiction to help him find faith?  Was he being tested?

    Please Note.  I do not pretend to know what any divine being may or may not be doing.  I’m simply pointing out that Amen4u is an idiot.

  78. Amen4u says:

    Yes I guess I can be a B@&tch when someone attacts the parenting skills of a dead child. and blames them for his death when he knows absolutley nothing about the family other than what he processed through the media. blogs and threads like this one. I have not given any parenting advice,or casted blame upon anyone,. I only debated the fact that I believe in Gaming addiction and that it contributed to Brandon’s death. I also only tried to clarify some facts that were wrong, and shed some light on the situation from closer to home.  I made a single mistake of challenging the gamers on this thread to omit from playing for a period of time and other than what I just posted about Nightwng I have done nothing to warrant your silly statement.the things I’ve seen you say thus far smack of ignorance born of an understanding of parenting that can only be found from Dr Phil and Maury.  So what education do you have to say these things to Mr. Nightwng

    I am no better a parent than anyone else, never claimed to be, never said what I thought Brandon’s Parents could do better to prevent their son’s death. Maybe I am being over protective but those that want to judge, be prepared to be judged.

     

  79. Austin_Lewis says:

    Quite the little bitch, aren’t you?  Nevermind that many children WORLD WIDE are on medication for ADHD, ADD, Depression, or some other problem they may or may not have, or that in the 90’s those diseases were so over-diagnosed that it’s hard to get accurate statistics on what portion of the population had any of those diseases, have a stab at insulting him and his opinion.

    Since you’re going to have a go at Nightwng, you might as well have a dose of your own medicine; many of the things I’ve seen you say thus far smack of ignorance born of an understanding of parenting that can only be found from Dr Phil and Maury.  So what education do you have to say these things to Mr. Nightwng?

  80. Amen4u says:

    So, for me, when it comes down to "blame", I really DO place his running away at the feet of the Parents.  It may not be a popular stance, but then, I’m not looking to be popular

    Nightwng

    Since your post I did a little research on you, you really got my back up with this one and though it may not be appropriate, and I oppologize to the other members and Dennis for this inappropriate post,  you are in no position to give advice on this matter.

    Since when does your Technical Community College degree in Business Computer Programming give you the right to give parenting advice. Or is it those prior life experiences that caused your emotional difficulties to give you the right to cast blame on Brandon’s parents. 

    You have no business giving parental advice, you do not have a degree in anything related to parenting. Your precious son Zach is 12 and is on medication for ADHD – a stimulant medication. Have you done the research on Adderal ?-MR research. 

    Lets pray that Zach doesn’t develop extreme psychological dependence, severe social disability or extreme fatigue and mental depression. The drug is dangerous, but oh ya, you did the research right.

    Seems to me that your parenting skills and controlling your child has resorted to medicating. Shame on you

    You know nothing about the situation first hand, you were not here, you do not know Brandon, nor do you know his parents.  But let me assure you that if Zach ever goes missing You will be the first person I blame.

  81. DeepThorn says:

    As someone who was in psychology for more than a few years and have treated people before.  While dopamine is rather addictive, the reason you start doing whatever to get addicted to sex or playing video games is normally depression, which is an underlying cause.  You have to follow the trail all the way back, not just to the next bread crumb.

    This depression could have been caused by so many things.  A girl he liked said she hated him, him and a close friend no longer getting along, parents having a rough time in their relationship, his parents and him not getting along, death of someone close to him, stress from expectations of the parents, being bullied at school, and so many countless more.

    Gambling addiction is the same thing, releases the same chemicals, but only when in the right mind set, and normally only in a depressed mind set does dopamine actually cause someone to become addicted.  If they are down, it gives them that rise for a short while.  If everything is going great in your life, you wont notice that rise as much, and are far less likely to become addicted to it.  Granted, there is a small population that excrete too much dopamine in these situations, and it could be triggered by puberty.  In that case, there would have been signs far earlier, and then the cause is not video games still, it is a genetic problem where during puberty his dopamine levels increased during times of excretion.

    If the parents noticed he was starting to become addicted when or shortly after he started puberty, then it should have been addressed then, but at the age of 14, he should have been well on his way through it, which would make the odds even less that he had this problem, but still not impossible.

    In all reality, I think he was depressed about something, and we may never know what.  Depression is a problem that is becoming more and more common, and parents dont notice or throw their kids on drugs, when in all reality, they just need to talk it out or see a psychologist that does not support the use of drugs to help in such cases.

    Even if Brandon was depressed, most parents dont notice until it is too late.  Either the child attempts suicide (which parents don’t always notice that either), start drinking or using drugs, or something else, which could be addiction to sex/masterbation or video games.


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  82. DeepThorn says:

    No, we all need to be a part of our kid’s lives, talk with them about any problems no matter what they may be, and listen to them when they need someone to talk to.  If it isn’t one thing, it is another ma’am.  Teenagers are teenagers, they need someone to talk to and someone to fight with to work out their frustrations with life. 

    Coming into a realization into what this world is isn’t easy.  Teenagers definitely get caught up in a lot of stupid things, like populatiry, and don’t see what really matters.  Having someone to talk to, such as their parents, about what they went through in their teenage years can definitely be helpful.  Life is life, and we all make mistakes.  No one is perfect, and you shouldn’t hide your mistakes and mistakes you have seen happen right in front of your from your kids.  It can only help them learn from those experiences.

    Though you didn’t grow in in the computer age, there is normally at least something that can relation to whatever situation your child is in, at least in some small way.  Even if you do fully understand what they are going through, they will not believe you and say that you don’t.  All you can really do is say "Well, either way, I will always love you, and be here for you no matter what you need.  Even if I don’t understand, I am willing to listen.  Sometimes it just makes things easier to be able to talk them out with someone." And that is being a good parent.


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  83. DeepThorn says:

    So do you understand why I blame the parents for giving him the chance to become so involved with the game in the first place?  My parents played video games too when I was little, they forced me to go out and play if I liked it or not.  (sucked with weather was over 90 degrees, HOT after being in the nice AC)  They also took games away if I played them too much or we’re doing chores, homework or other things I was suppose to be doing.


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  84. nightwng2000 says:

    Since this did turn into an argument over "blame", I’ll throw in with what I’ve already said before:

    I DO blame the Parents.

    It’s established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with school work.

    It’s established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with socializing.

    It’s established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with his sleep habits.

    It’s established that X (in this case, a game) interferred with his overall personality and attitudes towards others.

    This took place over a period of time, not just 1 or 2 days or even a mere week.

    Who was in control here?  Brandon or his Parents?

    His Parents, upon the very first sign of a problem, could have said "straighten up, or you’re grounded for 2 days from the game".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

    His Parents, upon the second sign of a problem, could have said "straighten up, or the TV/Computer comes out of your room".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

    His Parents, upon the third sign of a problem, could have said "if you don’t straighten up this time, the game will be sold".  Failing his straightening up, they should have acted.

    The Parents didn’t take control, so they lost control.

    Would I blame them, or anything, for his death?  No.  He made his own choices.

    Would I blame them for his running away.  Yes.  They could have prevented the situation from reaching this point in the first place.  Was it "addiction", "obssession", or just the game equivilant of a "book you can’t put down"?  Probably.  But not because of the game.  It was because the Parents didn’t act like Parents and say "Put it down and eat/sleep/socialize/do some other activity/stop screwing up your eduction/etc or else" from the very first sign of a problem, the second sign, the third sign.  No, they waited til the situation was WAAAAY out of control.

    Ya know what?  I’m a Parent too.  Not every individual, kid or adult, responds the same way.  But I tell you this, my son does get grounded from the things he likes best.  And he has other things that fill in that time.  He’d rather be doing his favorite things, but he’s been made to diversify.  MADE to by me, his Parent.

    And those studies?  Need I go into a long drawn out post yet again about my opinions regarding the incomplete, incompetantly performed studies that take out the most important part being studied: the individual?

    You’re right about one thing:  The law sucks big time.  Would his online friends have been able to help any more than folks offline?  We’ll never know now, will we?  The Parents and the police did all they could to alienate a resource, his online friends, and didn’t take advantage of what he may have shared over time with them.  No, it was much better to slam them and put them down.  And let’s just keep doing it because we need something to smoke screen the REAL reason Brandon ran away:  The Parents allowed the situation to reach the place it went and that left Brandon feeling the need to leave, whatever his intent at the moment of leaving really was.

    Perhaps some folks are right.  Individuals need to take a Parenting course and earn a license before they can have kids.  You want to scream "do the research"?  How about there were plenty of resources for the Parents to research how to use the equipment, such as the Parental Controls of the XBox360.  Or how there are lots of resources to learn about the ratings system.  Or how to find out about various games, online games and offline games.  How about the various resources on how to deal with kids who become focused on single things and don’t diversify their interests?  How about resources helping Parents raise teens? 

    We take the time to research insurance for our kids.  We research foods that we may feed our kids.  If we have kids and we can drive or if we plan on helping our kids choose their first car, we do research on vehicles with them in mind.  We research the schools we send them to.  We research where we will live, more so than when we are alone without kids.  We do a lot of research on everything else.  But we don’t actually do thorough research on the media and products associated with the media that we expose our kids to.  While I wouldn’t decree that certain products are inappropriate for other people’s kids, I’d say it’s important for Parents to do proper, balanced and complete research so that they can make well informed decisions for themselves and their children.  I’ve been known to even include resources that I wouldn’t use myself simply because another individual may consider the resource more appropriate for them.

    So, for me, when it comes down to "blame", I really DO place his running away at the feet of the Parents.  It may not be a popular stance, but then, I’m not looking to be popular.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

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  85. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    What PHX said. Sorry if it seemed like we were talking to you.

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  86. PHX Corp says:

    We didn’t mean it, Shobidoo said somthing stupid so they are only telling Shobidoo to leave, not you

  87. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    *FACEPALM*

    That sucked. Seriously.

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  88. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Actually, I never figured you WERE Liz, I was only wondering if you knew her.

    BTW, my condolences on your sister-in-law.

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  89. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Not at all, I was wondering if she knew about Liz.

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  90. Amen4u says:

    The news report tonight at 6:00 reported that the 7 hour long autopsy is still inconclusive. But They have confirmed that it was Brandon by dental records.  They also said that many hunters in the area were suspecting they might come accross Brandon’s body in the upcoming weeks of hunting season.  The Hunters that found Brandon were a group of family members and freinds out on a family hunting trip.

  91. mogbert says:

    My point was that this information you got was from the parents while they were already distressed. I can honestly say that my parents could say the same about me and watching TV, however it wasn’t a constant thing. Finding me watching TV real late at night one month, grounding me from watching TV another time and catching me sneaking watching it later. In other words they may have exagerated the situation. Taken all at once, these things would sound very serious, but to a kid, getting up late at night and playing a game doesn’t seem that big.

    While I’m not saying that he didn’t do these things, I’m mearly suggesting that these things could seem much worse when two or three years of ancedotal evidence is presented all at once by a distressed parent. We will likely know more when the media circus starts interviewing friends… but to tell the truth, I think they should just let them mourn in piece.

    Personally, it is sad when anyone passes from this world. However, I always wind up seeing things from other perspectives. There are so many people in this world dying every day, in every country, that are dying for no better reasons then Brandon. When seen in this heartless light, you could possibly see why some people are more cynical in their responses. While not politically or socially correct, a lot of the comments on this page are saying "One teenager died in another country by doing something of his own free will. What makes this more important then a car full of teens that died in a traffic accident right down the road from me?"  This is likely why they take offense that this person is given multinational attention and people they knew pass without a wimper.

    I had a classmate in highschool. He was in a car accident. He hadn’t been hurt but the other person in the car was. While trying to flag down help (this was long before cell phones) another car hit him and killed him. We didn’t find out about it for months because when I was growing up no one talked about death in school for fear of kids suiciding (stupid, but that was the way they thought in the country). In my opinion, it was a much nobler death then many we hear about, including teens driving in cars way too fast, drinking and driving, even being hit in a cross fire. And yet almost no one knows his story. So I can also feel the animosity that some here show when they hear of someone who died because they left home of their own free will. Then everyone hears bout them, huge sums of money offered for information, around the clock news coverage… it feels as if this person was worth more then others that have died.

    Also, the reason that many here reject the idea of game addiction ,at least I think this is why many of them do, is because we are immersed in games constanty, and yet for whatever reason we have to stop playing for a while, it is only a minor annoyance. It wasn’t too long ago that I stopped playing for almost a month, it was because I had too many things on my plate at that time. I had games to play, but other things were more important. This is the difference between cocaine and heroine. If you take someone who and regularly inject them with cocaine against their will, they will become addicted, whether they want to or not. When you stop, their body will have withdrawl symptoms, even though they never wanted the cocaine in the first place. The same with any physiological addiction. However, with gambleing, shoplifting, video games, the addiction isn’t physiological. The vast majority of people, can routinely play games and not have any withdrawl from stopping. The withdrawl from these kinds of things is entirely mental.

    The people who claim that it is as bad as physiological withdrawl have never experienced both. It is similar to a man getting kicked between the legs and saying it was as bad a pain as childbirth. These are two pains that no one person has felt both of. Both are considered some of the highest degrees of pain either can experience. And yet, a woman would be mortally insulted if a man compared the pain of childbirth to the pain of getting kicked between the legs (and likely would be willing to kick him between the legs to demonstrate). In this same way, people who have gone through drug withdrawl are mortally insulted when someone compares what they have gone through to gambling withdrawl or video game withdrawl.

    The defensive stances a lot of us drop into here are simply because we often see people turn these cases, where even if the kid WAS addicted to video games, into a general "Games are evil" bandwagon. For an example of this, please check out the article about Vaz the MP in Britain. A single, non-industry, shock-jerk (like a shock-jock, but just doing rude things to have people notice them) made a politically incorrect game about suicide bombing. He even asked for people to e-mail him to tell him if any news places talk about his game. Vaz is attempting to use this old, politically incorrect game in order to increase laws against inductry made retail games. His "solution" would have no effect on the kinds of games he is using as examples and we find it hard to think he doesn’t already know this. That is why most of us attack the concept of Game Addiction. Most of us don’t believe it is a problem because we aren’t affected and though game regularly we have no problems stopping when we have to. We see the addiction angle as a tool that some people use to villafy our hobby. And we regularly have peopl come in here which only attempt to attack us or try and make us feel bad about our hobby. The way I see it, I spend much less then the people with other hobbies around me, fishing, music, shoot even sporting events and rock concerts. It let’s me connect with other people and spend time with my wife (who is a casual gamer, loves the Lego series of games). We get together in parties (just had one Nov 1st-2nd) where we meet new friends, rock out on Rock Band, and run around virtual environments shooting eachother.

    This comunity has a wide variety of people in it, just like most communities after a certain size. And in any large enough sample you will hae people in it you disagree with, people you agree with, and people you just don’t get. Most here are at least willing to debate on topics they disagree with, but until you are here for a while, many topics with views such as yours are posted by hit-and-run trolls. The main difference is that you stuck around to continue a dialog.

  92. Amen4u says:

    There’s the possibility, even if nobody would expect it, that a deeper problem underneath stacked with puberty might be present.

     Of course there could have been, but again there might not have been.

    according to the principal Brandon didn’t have attendance issues until when he disappeared. This contradiction is confusing and makes it hard to increase our insight in the situation, would you perhaps know what the cause of the contradiction is?
    The article in question is
    http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697

    Sorry I can not make a comment on what the pricipal said, I can only make a comment on what the Father told my Husband. And that Brandon was starting to skip school to stay home and play COD4.

    And of course I am greiving, as so many others that have had this incident touch their hearts. I am not greiving any more or any less than anyone else. I am experiencing my own grief of a young child that was missing, that my husband assisted in the search, and now found dead. The entire world has been following this story since Brandon’s diappearance. Our Family has been directly involved through the search efforts, and I am an aquaintance of Angelika through a previous job I held at a sister paper that she works for. I also still have close personal friends that work at the paper she works at.

    My Husband and I have the same desires in life. We choose to do the things that might make a difference in peoples lives. My husband’s job is helping others and put his life in danger for others. I myself raise money for Charity- mainly Children’s hospitals. We are very compassionate people and yes we are Grieving. I also cry watching a sad movie- anything wrong with that?

  93. Amen4u says:

    Shadow D. Darkman,
     

    No I do not know Liz Wooley and no I am not her. But I will be watching the local news in 15 minutes for updates on Brandon.

    Shadow, I only shared that story because when it comes to suicide there is no telling what a person might do, bring, say or not say, or leave or not leave a note. My sister-in -law was a beautiful young girl 18 years of age and no indication that she would commit suicide. She was fun loving, athletic, plenty of friends, and very outgoing. It was a SHOCK to all of us. And she did not display any underlying reason. She did not appear depressed, upset, or troubled.

     

  94. Michael Chandra says:

    Regarding us not posting good riddance, when you posted you’d leave I myself was quite tempted to try to get some bashes in, try to criticize you heavily, act on some of my frustrations, make comments about what’s required for an actual debate and things like that, hurtful comments. And every time I felt the urge, I resisted it, told myself not to. As they say, before you speak, think. Is it necessary? Is it true? Is it kind? Will it hurt anyone? Will it improve on the silence?

    I chose silence.

     

    There are three things I’d like to say for now, the first is the repeating of a question others asked before as well, which easily could have gotten lost in the myriad of posts and replies around here. You say Brandon started skipping school, however, in an article posted about in his second and third post on this page (the first used a tone I am uncomfortable with, please ignore that one), it said that according to the principal Brandon didn’t have attendance issues until when he disappeared. This contradiction is confusing and makes it hard to increase our insight in the situation, would you perhaps know what the cause of the contradiction is?
    The article in question is http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697

    Second, from personal experiences I can tell you that the trigger of a fight and running away don’t necessarily have to be the full cause. There’s the possibility, even if nobody would expect it, that a deeper problem underneath stacked with puberty might be present. So even when the parents say, or think, there’s no underlying reason present, this still might be the case. Unfortunately I can’t go into details, it would not be right for me to talk here about parts of my private life that I still haven’t properly coped with in real life.

    Third, this might be intrusive from me but it appears to me as if you have heavily emphasized with Brandon’s mother, to the point where, partially due to your relation to the search team, you’ve become so involved that the case and Brandon’s death have affected you nearly as much as his family. As a result, you seem to have a lot of grief. I won’t use that as an argument pro or contra your words and acts, but I would like to express my concerns about you and my hope that you will be able to find a way to cope with your grief, by counseling, help from friends, talking to specific people or any other way. I’m hardly an expert on that area so I wouldn’t be able to tell what the best way is, but I’m rather concerned, the last thing we want is for someone to heavily suffer emotionally from this loss even more than they already have.

    Sincerely,
    Michael Chandra

  95. LujanD says:

    Shadow D. Darkman,

    I seriously hope you don’t mean to imply that Amen4u and Liz Wooley conduct themselves in the same manner.

  96. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Wow, I cannot think of what to say. Amen4u, do you happen to know the name Liz Wooley?

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  97. Amen4u says:

    http://photos.thebarrieexaminer.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=630344&CategoryID=0&thisPage=2&ListSubAlbums=0

     I have provided a link to some photos that were taken to the are Brandon was found. My husband has confirmed that the corn field next to this area was searched, they were so close. But it would not have mattered in finding him alive. It is a blessing that Hunters found his body. Most missing persons are eventually found by hunters, they usually go in places where deer and Moose hide. A little deeper and thicker in the woods. I have no idea how Brandon ended up here, but I would like to  share  a personal story again:

    27 years ago last month my best friend who was also my sister in Law committed suicide. She was 18 years old, She took the family car, a rope, some food and her schetch pad, she was an artist. She had driven out to a remote place in the woods, a family piece of Property that was planted with thousands of Christmas trees. It was the most beautiful spot overlooking the water high on a cliff. We had spent that summer together pruning the trees and she had said that someday she would like to build her home there. It was her favorite piece of property that her father owned. This property was so far out of the way and surrounded by thick woods, that only the people that new of this location would ever venture in. When she went missing, her father kneeled down and asked God for some guidance on where his little girl may be. After praying he felt compelled to drive to his property where he found his daughter hanging from a tree over the cliff. She had packed a lunch, shetched the scenery, locked the car doors and put the keys in her pocket. Climbed fifty feet in the tree and hung herself. It was the most unsettling thing we had ever experienced. To this very day we still have unanswered questions. Why would she pack a lunch? Why would she lock the car and take the keys? Why didn’t she leave a note? How the hell did she get up that tree? There is no rhyme nor reason when one takes their own life. A full investigation was done to the possibility of murder but they concluded that she took her own life.  I am not looking for sympathy, I just wanted to share a personal story that when someone contemplated suicide they do things that are not rational.

  98. Amen4u says:

    The only videogame angle that was brought in was from the parents themselves, who may, again, I’m only saying "may", have been subconciously looking for a defense mechanism.

    I think that we are all missing the point here. The problems that Steve and Angelika Crisp were having with Brandon were the issues surrounding his compulsive behaviour with this COD4 video game. Brandon was spending every waking hour playing this game, he wouldn’t even stop to eat dinner. He started skipping school, taking money from the house and neglecting his social life outside of gaming. The Crisps had taken the game away from him several times, for two or three days  at a time but Brandon would find the game and resume playing. Angelika would wake up in the middle of the night to find Brandon playing at three and four in the morning after she assumed that Brandon was asleep. The Crisps tried to deter their son’s attention  away from this game, their final straw was to get rid of the game completely and indefinately.

    When My husband was filled in at the search on the particulars of the situation, it was discussed that he may have runaway and committed suicide due to the fact that this game was completely removed from his life at home. His only source of feeding his compulsive behaviour. There was no other way for him to continue with this other than at home.  It was obvious that the game was very much a bondage in Brandon’s life.

  99. Amen4u says:

    "According to the brief television report the body of the missing boy was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area.A blue-checkered jacket, tent, crackers and full bag of chips were found on the trail on Oct. 24. No other details were given and police have yet to confirm the information."

    This report founded that it was in no relation to Brandon, he did not bring a tent, and didn’t have a blue checkered jacket. As far as the tootbrush and other things Brandon packed, yes it did sound like he was going to friends overnight, not things he would bring to spend out in the bush overnight. When My husband spoke to Brandon’s father he told my husband that due to the things that Brandon had packed in his nap sack it was evident that he was planning to stay overnight somewhere. People who contemplate suicide do not make rational decisions.  And please do not get me wrong, I am not confirming his death was suicide. Anything is still open for conclusion. My Husband and I were discussing this last night again and I brought the possibility of Brandon being accidently shot by hunters, and them not realizing that they shot him. A bullet can travel a fair distance. We are all just waiting for the autopsy report which is being done today.

  100. Amen4u says:

    And I admit I’ve perhaps been a bit crueler then is my usual and for that I apoligise. (I have some experience with a family member disappearing and later being found dead so bad memories I guess.) 

    I too have had experience with family and close friends disappearing, as well as family members committing suicide.  One thing that I would like to share is that because of the work and search and rescue that my Husband is involved in, I get emotionally involved in each case that he is called to participate in. 90% of the time the person is found dead. He did have two cases this summer that the people were found alive.  Each time we get the call, usually in the middle of the night, my worry and concern over the missing person begins. Even though I do not know most of these people we are directly involved, it is like my husband is put into a position of great responsibility to search for these people and find them alive.  He is also a full time firefighter and is responsible for saving lives. 

    The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon’s body. "You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said.

    My Husband has plenty of experience in search and rescue and most of these missing persons are like looking for a needle in a hay stack. I can assure you that every effort was put into searching for Brandon once an area was determined to search. Many of you only have the reports on media coverage to go by. I assure you that everyday that my husband left this house he spent endless  hours in the search and returned home dirty, wet, and extremely exhausted. The bike that was found, was not actually found in the location of the sites being searched . The bike was given to police after a lady phoned police and said she found the bike on the trail. Apparently her son found the  bike and brought it home, repaired the flat tires, and put the chain back on. The women could not pinpoint the exact location of where she alleged that she had found the Bike. It was several days later that she admitted that her son had found the bike and repaired it.

  101. Amen4u says:

    I want to thank you for all your kind postings. I wasn’t going to come back today, but I am glad I did. I was expecting a GOOD RIDENCE posting by many, but was very touched by the reponses I read.

    Like I said in one of my earliest postings, I came here before Brandon was found searching for some kind of insight that maybe would lead to his wearabouts.  I would like to thank Dennis for all his time and effort on covering this in GP.

    I am going to try and respond to everyones comments;

    Yahweh/Amen4u is little different in that regard in that she insinuates that we’re all addicted, then turns around and insists she never called us addicted; generalizes the behavior of the most poorly behaved posters to all of us; repeats the same copied information over and over rather than respond to arguments that refute it; and so on.

    I never came here to argue or debate anything, I never intended to imply that all of you were addicted. You were so defensive about gaming and that it was next to impossible for anyone to be addicted without an underlying reason that I challenged you to stop playing for a period of time and see how you would cope. I should not have done that.

    The copied information was repeated twice because I thought that I had been removed, I then signed in under a different name to see if I could post the information again. I again didn’t see my post so I contacted Dennis and he explained to me that the post was there I just had to go to next page because of the glinch in the system. I oppologize.

  102. mogbert says:

    I’m still going over my old rss feed, and came across something posted just before this article. I think it was kotaku:

    "According to the brief television report the body of the missing boy was found on Fifth Line in the Barrie area.A blue-checkered jacket, tent, crackers and full bag of chips were found on the trail on Oct. 24. No other details were given and police have yet to confirm the information."

    According to someone previous in this thread, the kid also packed a toothbrush. The fact that he wasn’t heading over to a friends house to play made some people who were fixated on videogame addiction suspect that he was going out to commit suicide. However, he took all the things he thought he would need to survive, not to die. It looks like he was just planning to camp out for a day or two, they said he loved the outdoor survival shows. A toothbrush isn’t something I would take if I was planning on killing myself, or a tent for that matter.

    While not trivalizing his death, I think too many people are latching on to his fathers description of the events. Any father in his position would be feeling imense guilt, but all we here is the parents blaming the addiction. To tell the truth, it seems more of a defense mechanism. Unfortunately we can no longer hear from Brandon himself on what was happening, but I think there was more then one side to this story. These other people here that are saying that Brandon was absolutely addicted to games never knew him, never even met him, they heard about it from the parents after Brandon was already dead and the parents were already in a state of despair, grasping at straws. No one has the other side of the story now, and to tell the truth, it doesn’t really matter what the truth was anymore. It is already too late. By the time they started looking for him, it was already too late.

    There are lots of people who stated that it was all the games fault, and others that have stated it was all the parents fault, I think only one actually stated it was Brandon’s fault. To start off, we are speaking of a 15 year old boy. According to the time table, he started misbehaving around 12 years old. While the parents blame this on video games, I’m afraid that children starting to misbehave around 12 years old has been going on for some time now. It has been blamed on everything from comics, rock and roll all the way back to the influence of those damn Romans across the street. As for him running away from home, think back to your own childhood. While not everyone of you ran away from home around 15, most of you did, whether it was for 2 hours or 2 days. It is extremely common. Perhaps your parents didn’t like your music, your friends or your hairstyle, it doesn’t matter. The point is that young men go through changes at that period of time, and many do attempt to run away from home, even if only for a short while.

    What I’m trying to say is that some people are trying to paint this as a horrible decent into madness and despair, when it really seems this was a common enough happening all over the world. The only difference seems to be that Brandon overestimated his ability to stay outside overnight. I say this not as an insult, no one should get their hackles up by claiming that I am belittling the situation. This is just what the details that were released seem to fit together. The only videogame angle that was brought in was from the parents themselves, who may, again, I’m only saying "may", have been subconciously looking for a defense mechanism.

    I hope that I have covered this in a respectful enough manner that both side can read this through.

  103. Loudspeaker says:

    The hardest part for me with your posts Amen4u is you have been solely focused on this thread.  Many of us in this community, including myself, have been very concerned for Brandon’s well being and hoped he would be found unharmed.  This story has been covered heavily on GP (I think there have been 7 stories so far).  Yes, you will find those who are crass here just as you would anywhere, however that isn’t ‘us’.  I feel the moderators are a true measure of the people in general on this site (EZK and Dennis).

    *sigh* Jack Thompson came in here with venom and vitrol declaring that video gamers were all the anti-christ and video games were the devil incarnate.  Most of us here want to defend our hobby and simply wish to not be villified.  I guess what I’m trying to say is most of us here are sorry we’ve lost a gamer in our very large community.  We are very sorry and sympathetic to the loss.  Since you were very close to the situation it is obviously going to affect you more than most of us posting here in the forums.  Please understand we are all human beings here simply trying to explain our point of view philisophically and logically.

    My sincerest condolences to the Crisp family and thanks to all the support you and your husband have given to them during their time of need.

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  104. SimonBob says:

    From the article Smokey linked in the shoutbox:

    The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon’s body. "You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said.

    I bring this up because a few people were complaining that the cops and parents were focusing too much on the Xbox and Brandon’s account information, and not enough on actually searching.  However, several of us maintained that it could be extremely difficult to find anyone in the area surrounding Barrie, and unfortunately, we were right.


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  105. Adamas Draconis says:

    It’s not that you are not welcome. But this is a site where we can and will discuss and debate (Sometimes heated to volcanic intensity). And I admit I’ve perhaps been a bit crueler then is my usual and for that I apoligise. (I have some experience with a family member disappearing and later being found dead so bad memories I guess.) We as a whole enjoy debating over things, but after years of people like Thompson trying to push their own agenda, we are perhaps overly sensitive about it. I am truly sorry about Brandon’s death, but until the investigation is over, there is truly no point in declaring that it was "This" or "That" that was the cause of it. That being said, You are more then wlecome to come back.

     

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  106. Krono says:

    A lot of us instinctively get angry when people bring up game addiction because usually the only people who do it are lunatics and/or deluded like those two.

    Actually I’d say we get angry because the people bringing it up because those people are usually treating us poorly, refusing to engage in real debate, and so forth. Yahweh/Amen4u is little different in that regard in that she insinuates that we’re all addicted, then turns around and insists she never called us addicted; generalizes the behavior of the most poorly behaved posters to all of us; repeats the same copied information over and over rather than respond to arguments that refute it; and so on.

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  107. Cecil475 says:

    Ma’am. We are all going to lose someone. Family, friends, loved ones. alcohol related, drug related, accident related, negelect related, and even because he or she is old, and it’s just time. I lost my Grandmother last year. Dad thinks she ‘willed’ herself to die on a certen date, like quite a few people in the family have. I don’t know about that, other than, she had lived a long life and it was her time.

    Brandon was only fifteen. He had many many years ahead of him. It does hurt to see that it turned out this way. I really did hope that he would be found, alive, or he would return home. I had hoped this even after every passing day and every passing week that went by without any word from him.

    I’m sorry he is dead. I wish I could have helped. But as I said before, being where I live, makes it impossible.

    Edit: Yeah, you are welcome here. Sorry for sounding harsh earlier. Thats what I get for staying up late. I get cranky

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  108. Fedule mk II says:

    As an observer of all this, I would concur with Andrew, and add that just because we don’t agree with a lot of things you say doesn’t mean you’re not welcome. In fact, it’s the opposite…

    Try to understand – we’re used to having to deal with people like Jack Thompson (if you don’t know him, look at the Bar Trial Series here on GP) and more recently, Liz Wooley (with whom we tend to be more sympathetic but nevertheless we get a lot of vitriol from her). A lot of us instinctively get angry when people bring up game addiction because usually the only people who do it are lunatics and/or deluded like those two. It’s a bit of a shock to the system when someone such as yourself, who is clearly in disagreement with some of our beliefs but doesn’t act like a two year old, comes along. I mean, damn, in your last post, you conceded that you learned something. You don’t need to earn anyone’s respect here, but you have anyway. We need more people like you around – so we can have actual discussions between people on different sides of the fence without someone having to play Devil’s Advocate.

  109. BearDogg-X says:

    Because it’s so obvious that he may not have been "addicted".

    And besides that, you totally ignored my post that had links to two articles, one of them with a quote from the principal of his school:

    In another article(http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697): St. Joseph’s Catholic Secondary School principal Matt McCann said Brandon was a good student, without attendance issues, until he left home over a week ago.

    And the principal would know since he has access to his permanent record. So it sounds to me like he wasn’t "addicted" as you claim.

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  110. Nocturne says:

    Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason.

    Instead of just reading the out-of-context highlights from wikipedia, try reading the article itself.

     

    Like compulsive gambling, video game addiction is said to be an impulse control disorder
     
    (Impulse control disorder is a set of psychiatric disorders including intermittent explosive disorder (hot-headedness), kleptomania (stealing), pathological gambling, pyromania (fire-starting), trichotillomania (pulling one’s hair out) and dermatillomania (skin picking). The onset of these disorders usually occurs between the ages of 7 and 15.[1] Impulsivity, the key feature of these disorders, can be thought of as seeking a small, short term gain at the expense of a large, long term loss.
    Impulse control disorders are considered to be part of the obsessive-compulsive disorder spectrum.[2]
    The essence of emotional self-regulation is the ability to delay impulse control in the service of goal.)
    Dr. Brody, head of the media committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry[21], puts forth that the addiction to computer games can be caused by psychological problems such as antisocial personality disorder, depression, and phobias such as social phobia.

     

    If those don’t sound like an underlying reason to you, then I don’t think you know what the phrase means. If Brandon had never picked up a game in his life, it is likely that it would have been something else he became addicted to.

    How about actually following some of the references through, you’ll see that they don’t all conclude gaming addiction is real and those that do believe it to be a psychological condition (in other words an underlying reason, and one that is treatable)

    If you are not putting time into hobbies and interests, [life] would be pretty boring,” said Dr. Stuart Gitlow, an AMA delegate representing the American Society of Addiction Medicine. “If it wasn’t an addiction with baseball, model trains and cars, then it isn’t with video games.”

     

    ? I began to read the current research on internet and gaming addiction – but found very few answers.? Despite the reports of internet and gaming addiction becoming common in the mainstream media – rigorous research is moving slowly.? Mostly its hampered by difficulties in the application of the concept of ‘addiction’ to behavioural compulsions such as a gambling and gaming.? ? Even in clearly pathological cases of compulsive behaviour – where the compulsive behaviour completely takes over the life of the individual – it’s difficult to isolate gaming itself as the cause of the problem – as opposed to simply being an effect of other deap seated psychological problems (depression, anxiety and the like).? They conclude in the main that there simply isn’t enough empirical data to support the claim that these games are addictive.

    Professor Griffiths said: "Although these gamers show some signs of addiction, our results do not conclusively show that the gamers are genuinely addicted.

    "there is currently insufficient research to definitively conclude that video game overuse is an addiction,"

    Dr. Michael Brody, head of a TV and media committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, agreed. He praised the AMA council for bringing attention to the problem, but said excessive video-game playing could be a symptom for other things, such as depression or social anxieties that already have their own diagnoses.

    “You could make lots of behavioral things into addictions. Why stop at video gaming?” Brody asked. Why not Blackberries, cell phones, or other irritating habits, he said.

  111. Andrew Eisen says:

    Well, I’ve enjoyed talking with you and I say you’re welcome to post here any time you like.

     

    Take care,

    Andrew Eisen

  112. Andrew Eisen says:

    "Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason."

    Simple.  An addiction to anything with no underlying reason just flat out doesn’t make any sense.  There’s always a reason.  With drugs it certainly could be as simple as a physical dependency but because you cannot develop a physical dependency to playing a video game, it has to be something else.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  113. Amen4u says:

    You know, enough is enough, I do not want to debate this any more. I know that I am not welcome here, and maybe some of you are right, it is time for me to leave. I never intended to come here and debate anything. Like many others I was hurting inside and was trying to make some sense over Brandon’s disappearnce and gaming addiction. If one thing I have learned through this site It’s we must all educate ourselves to the potential dangers of gaming addiction and take it more serious so we don’t find ourselves in the same situation as the Crisp Family.

    I hope none of you ever have to experience a loss related to gaming addiction.

  114. Kincyr says:

    Dopamine has many functions in the brain, including important roles in behavior and cognition, motor activity, motivation and reward, inhibition of prolactin production (involved in lactation), sleep, mood, attention, and learning.

    Dopamine is produced by the Hypothalamus, which is responsive to:

    • Light: daylength and photoperiod for regulating circadian and seasonal rhythms
    • Olfactory stimuli, including pheromones
    • Steroids, including gonadal steroids and corticosteroids
    • Neurally transmitted information arising in particular from the heart, the stomach, and the reproductive tract
    • Autonomic inputs
    • Blood-borne stimuli, including leptin, ghrelin, angiotensin, insulin, pituitary hormones, cytokines, plasma concentrations of glucose and osmolarity etc
    • Stress
    • Invading microorganisms by increasing body temperature, resetting the body’s thermostat upward.

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  115. Amen4u says:

    Andrew, why is it so hard for you to just accept the fact that Brandon had an addiction with no underlying reason. It was his addiction that was causing him to miss school, steal money and neglect his health. My God, Brandon was pratically living off crackers. He wouldn’t even take  the time to eat a proper meal. 

     

  116. Andrew Eisen says:

    "You don’t have to have underlying issues to become addicted to something."

    I suppose not but when we’re talking about losing oneself to a hobby (as opposed to a substance you can form a physical dependency to) there’s usually more to it then just "it’s really fun."  One newspaper quoted his father as saying Brandon had recently started stealing money, ignoring his studies, and skipping school to play the game.  CoD4 is a fun game sure but not that fun.  If Brandon was finding a video game to be preferable to his family, friends, and school (okay, maybe not school) then it sounds to me like there was something wrong in the lad’s life.  Or at the very least something he felt was missing that he was trying to fulfill with the game.

    I’ve never heard of the Bengali region of the brain (and a quick look online is coming up nil) but I do know what dopamine is.  I don’t know where your info is coming from but I would not be at all surprised if video games caused the brain to produce the hormone just as any pleasurable activity or circumstance (sex, food, praise or even aggression) could.

    It’s possible that Brandon had a chemical imbalance in his brain that was releasing higher amounts of dopamine then normal (CoD4 being the main trigger).  That would certainly explain his alleged recent mood swings.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  117. Amen4u says:

     Andrew

    No underlying reason for Brandon’s affixiation to COD4. Just  a kid that got addicted to games. You don’t have to have underlying issues to become addicted to something. Playing games is a natural part of growing up. It’s one way that kids learn to socialize and compete. Computer and online games, in most instances, are no more dangerous than other games that kids play. But sometimes, computer and online games become more than just play. They become an addiction. And when they become an addiction, a child’s psychological and physical well-being may be in jeopardy.

     Did you know that playing video games activates the Bengali portion of the brain. The region that releases dopamine. This is the region of the brain that is  also affected by cocaine. It’s the chemical released when one is taking cocaine. Dopamine is also the chemical released when you’re having sex. . It is extremely addictive.

    And just because some of us can handle drinking in moderation doesn’t mean that alcoholism doesn’t exist. And I never once said I was in here asking you to answer for Brandon’s addiction?JoshuaOrrizonte .

  118. Andrew Eisen says:

    It may have been a bluff.  Brandon’s body was found about three miles from his home.  Unless he died on his return trip home, he didn’t make it very far.  I’d recommend we all wait and see how he died before we start placing blame.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  119. Andrew Eisen says:


    Either that or she’s misspelling "affixation" which technically isn’t a correct usage but colloquially I’d give it a pass.

     

    Andrew Eisen

     

  120. Kincyr says:

    well, seeing as the father thought his running away was a bluff, it may be more along the lines of neglect.

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  121. Andrew Eisen says:

    By allowing his kid to go blow off some steam?  Pretty unlikely.  Brandon was 15, not 6.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  122. Andrew Eisen says:

    I could see your reasoning if it turns out Brandon committed suicide but if he was shot, attacked by an animal, or fell down a hill and broke his neck then I don’t see the connection as any of those things could have happened whether he left the house in a huff or not.

    Any thoughts on what might have been the underlying reason behind young Brandon’s affixation to CoD4?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  123. Amen4u says:

    Yes Andrew, I am blaming his affixiation with COD4 for the cause/factor of his death. I am sorry if you can not understand my reasoning, I am not trying to blame the game. I am blaming his affixiation with the game.  

     

  124. Austin_Lewis says:

    You should go to olganon.org and ask them that question.  Or to any 12 step program enthusiast group, really.  It’s fine if they go from spending three hours a day drinking or masturbating to three hours a day in church, even though that’s still an addiction.

  125. Flamespeak says:

    I wonder….if he had been ‘addicted’ to reading the Bible, would it get the same kind of treatment? What about math? What about classic literature?

    To be honest, this is just a case of a 15 year old running away from home after an argument and dying of exposure. Some view it as tragic, I suppose.

    I am sorry if I don’t, but a 15 year old that won’t return home when he is freezing to death over such a small argument is either A) Moronic, B) Stubborn as hell, or C) Afraid to return home for some other reason.

    Maybe he got lost and froze to death? Once again, it is hard for me to have sympathy for him when he died for such a ludacris reason. I don’t weep for people that fall to their death when they don’t tie off their rope when bungee jumping and I am not really going to care if a 15 year old storms out of their home and dies from having a drama fit.  Kids dying from cancer, from being beaten to death by their abusive parents, from hunger, from any number of other things is truly tragic. Not this.

    Would the world have cared if Brandon did it when he was 18? I seriously doubt it.

  126. DeepThorn says:

    Yup, because it is easier to blame something that can not defend itself, than to blame the parents.  I blame video games on the fact that I drink 3+ cans of soda a day, not my parents who never limited my soda intake as a child.  Actually I am down to 1 soda every 3-4 days, woo hoo.  (FYI: Headaches from caffeine addiction suck, slowly wheen yourself off instead of going cold turkey.)


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  127. DeepThorn says:

    Yup, she said it.  Saying I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing…  that was stating that all gamers are addicts.  You may not have said it directly, but that is what you said.

    And studies do not get published if publishers feel such articles were researched with bias views.  The publishers have a reputation to uphold, and publishing something that is bias does them no good.  They only publish facts.  As someone who has seen addiction, grades in school will go lower unless doing homework is the person’s addiction, which it definitely was not here.

    I think the majority of us are being resonable.  Granted, I urge everyone in the world to see a psychologist at least once every few years to make sure they are okay, but other than that, I don’t think there is any unreasonable things going on here given communities like these and the number of people we are talking about.  If you expect better, then you need to realize how the majority of article based threads like these go.  The majority of them I see are FAR worse than this.  You have a good number of people trying to talk logically with you, while in a normal community, like a local online news paper, you would only have 1 or 2 logical people on the entire site.


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  128. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    EDIT 2: I take that back. This is pissing me off. Why aren’t my pics showing up?

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  129. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Actually, it’s the 25th unless they pushed it back a day.

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  130. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    *takes a cookie*

    I got a thread in the Off-Topic area of the Forums relating to this. Go see.

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  131. HarmlessBunny says:

    Nice narrative. Seriously, you could be a novelist with all of that. So you know exactly what happened in that household huh? Know every detail, and every thought? I would ask that you do not try and present your person opinion as fact, because at this point…no one knows what the FACTS are.

    I am in Alberta, ma’am. I do know quite a bit of Ontario laws. The moment a 15 year old boy exits out of the house the father could have called him as a runaway. It is very unfortunate, but a lot of this is speculation and heresay at this time. I would say you should refrain from assuming so much, but it seems you have weaved a tale of intricate blame and possibilities…so I am not sure if reason would appeal to you. I support any parent that has had such a devastating loss, and I feel nothing but sympathy for the Crisp family and wished there was a better solution to all of this. However please, rather than come here to insult and berate those who were not involved in this matter what so ever, refrain from such comments and instead go and support the family as well. They need it now more than ever.

     

  132. Adamas Draconis says:

    Ummm…. Might I point out that, at least in the Chinese sources listed… CHINA is an OPPRESIVE REGIME that has been trying to control access to the internet for years because of access to information they do not want their citizens to access? The simple fact that your trying to cite research from such a dictatorship’s medical establishment is rediculous. As your post mentioned:  " Most of whom have been Forced to attend by Parents or Government Officals.  So excuse me if I say That such a report is as much use as a pile of bullshit in a Clean Room.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  133. Erik says:

    I have a cousin who died because she made the choice to drink and drive.  I don’t call it an accident or mince words about it.  She did something frankly stupid and she unfortunately paid the price for it.  So don’t assume that we would not use critical thinking if it was one of our family members.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  134. DeepThorn says:

     

    I thought was a funny point or 2 in there, and a couple good points.  Addiction to games is just like addiction to gambling, but that was already covered.  I’ll bet crediblity though, because money is kinda tight.  I will give the benifit of the doubt that he was addicted, but things just don’t add up if that is true.  If the father thought he was running away to a friend’s house, I hope he at least offered to give his son a ride, because if not that will eat him up for year.  I know it would to me.

    With the media coverage of this, the family is going to have a hard time with this.  Claiming the main problem was gaming is what the media grabbed ahold of, and they will be beating the parents over the head with it for years.  Luckily, there are only a few more things to report on, then this will calm down a lot for them.  Then they will finally be able to begin the healing process.  If anything, gaming made this thing into a bigger mess it needed to be, and the parents will unluckily not hear the end of it.


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  135. Michael Chandra says:

    Miss (madam?), I’ll be blunt, as far as I’m concerned you do not have the right to tell me what I am supposed to give to people. If someone insists on insulting me out of grief, you can’t just expect me to swallow it due to their being emotional. The way you insist on treating us shows us as little respect as you blame us ALL from showing.
    As for their true beliefs, they can keep those. It’s claims I have a problem with, especially when they are used by people to take out things on us.

     

    Now that we put that aside, the first reply I made was one posting my regrets. You’ll be able to find it if you look for the following line: "As for Brandon, let’s call him by his name instead of "the kid" people, it’s the least we can do for him, I’m sorry to hear he is dead."
    Only after that did I bother to start replying to posts others made, trying to fight the crude things said. You see, expressing my regrets and sympathy I considered more important than trying to defend myself against the attacks some people seem to make, and to defend ‘us gamers’ from the fanatic way others acted.
    For a few minutes I considered heavily beating down a post from someone who said actions like yours decrease sympathy, since as far as I’m concerned sympathy should be unrelated to disgust over the behaviour of those caught up in grief or personal interests. However, I decided it wouldn’t help the discussion at hand to answer anger with anger.

    I ended my first response with the hope that the parents wouldn’t get caught up in latching onto a scapegoat and would instead be able to find a way to cope with their grief. I would like to express the same hope for you.
     

     

    Edit: I won’t make another post after this, because I too would like to keep this discussion from becoming a flamefest. I don’t think we should do this, so rather than making more posts like this one, getting worse and worse, I will leave the responses to the few selected individuals such as Dennis, EZK and grey_poet, who I think will be able to deal with this better and seem to have a better insight on the manner than I have.

  136. DeepThorn says:

     

    I thought it was funny where she said, his father could not stop him because of the law.  I dont know what the laws exactly are in Canada, but the parents are responsible for their child.  The parents are allowed to punish their child any way they see fit as long as they do not hurt the child, withdraw him from basic needs such as food, and makes sure he goes to school.

    Through and through, this lady is stating more reasons on why his parent should be punished by the law for not parenting their child, BUT I think they are going though a enough right now.  This lady needs help or to be hit up side the head as many times with a smart stick as she was with the stupid stick if she stands by what she is saying.


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  137. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    I readed almost all comments of this thread and the only offensive comments I founded were against media and trolls whinning against videogames as cause of everything is wrong in the planet.

    Brandon was a victim (and probably he was his own victim), but not because games. And we don´t have to feel guilt about his dead. We are sorry about him, but we won´t stop our lives for him.

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  138. Michael Chandra says:

    I play 0 to 8 hours (or more if a vacation) per day, depending on if I’m currently hooked on a game. I tend to get hooked on a game, a book (series), a comic, a different hobby, a story concept I have lying around, and it will drive out all interest in other things and be on my mind all day. Haven’t touched my favourite online games in weeks due to being too busy to be able to focus on them, and NaNoWriMo starting again with me behind schedule won’t really help much either.
    Now the INTERNET, I seriously am addicted to. If I go several days without forums and internet comics I’ll start looking for internet cafes or anything. Of course, if need be I could always just go to the library and take up reading again. Plenty of famous authors who I still haven’t read much or anything from, I can easily waste an entire year or more there. The good thing about having multiple hobbies, and I’d like to emphasize the word "hobbies", is that if one becomes unavailable to me I can simply switch to another. God knows I did it the two times my favourite MMO banned me. (Off topic, in my defense the server owner was an emo. Second ban actually was for me calling him that.)

    As far as your claim that game addiction was the CAUSE, rather than the symptom and the trigger, I’d hate to repeat others so I’d like to refer you back to the post Dennis made in response to you earlier, which started with "I’m glad to hear from someone in Brandon’s community, and thank you for taking the time to post." Also, I’d advise checking a previous article about Brandon that featured an expert’s opinion about how addictions can often be merely the symptoms of something deeper, or so I recall a rough summary would be. Please read those things with an open mind, rather than one shut off by grief, and try to understand that your opinion can be seen as flawed as much as it can be believed to be correct. It’s rude for me to say this, but you might actually be wrong on some things, jumping to conclusion without looking at all the experts’ opinions and all the facts. Please, before you put the blames on the video game addiction in itself, ask yourself if there may not have been a different cause underneath, and try to supply yourself with enough information to be able to make a less biased answer to it.

    Sincerely,
    Michael Chandra

  139. Cecil475 says:

    "Give up games for a month?  No can do; Chrono Trigger DS drops on the 26th."

    And me with no DS. I want to play the updated Final Fantasy IV =P

     – Warren Lewis


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  140. Cecil475 says:

    "By LAW Brandon’s father could not stop him."

    If I was Brandon’s age and in his situation, my dad would have stopped me.

    "The Bottom line here is. YES Gaming in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This game was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug."

    Sounds like you have an agenda going here. Maybe you are getting something out of the kid’s death.

    "I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day."

    1. What makes you think all of us are gamers?

    2. What are you betting? What if I go without a day, or a month, or a year? Can you spend the same amount of time without you being on your high horse, acting so damn high and mighty, huh, CAN YOU?!

     – Warren Lewis


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  141. Aliasalpha says:

    The Bottom line here is. YES Gaming in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This game was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    The Bottom line here is. YES Exercise in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This exercise was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    The Bottom line here is. YES Religion in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This religion was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    The Bottom line here is. YES Cheese in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This cheese was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    It works for anything

     

    The problem is that you seem to be blending psychological and physiological addiction into one condition simply because of the word ‘addiction’. To use an anaology, that would be like operating on the lungs to remove breast cancer because of the commonality of the word ‘cancer’.

    Physiological addiction requires the introduction of a chemical to the body upon which it depends after a while. Psychological additction merely requires any form of stimulus, it can be enjoyable, productive, helpful to the community or even painful & futile. The end result is that the individual feels gratified by it and gets what their brain thinks it needs. If games were physiologically addictive then there would be a seriously widespread problem the likes of which fox news and similar disreputable media organisations can only have wet dreams about BUT the fact remains that it is not physiologically addictive and therefore any deleterious addictive effects are the result of the psyche of the individual.

    We cannot curtail access to something because one or two people might have a problem with it otherwise we will soon end up with nothing at all. Photoreactive epilepsy is probably a lot more common than game addiction and games have been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to have the capability of inducing that in sufferers of the condition. Since the late 80s, almost all games have come with an epilepsy warning to inform people of the unlikely but possible effects that a game MAY have and recommend precautions. That is a responsible reaction to scientific data whilst not constraining the individual’s right to do whatever the hell they want & suffer the consequences. A screen talking about the possibility of psychological game addiction SOUNDS like a good idea but then that would set a precedent and after a few years, you’d see the warning stamped in tiny letters on the shell of every egg you boil for breakfast.

     

    You know what? I actually SUPPORT stronger controls on access to games & movies. I think it is appropriate for a unified and official ratings board to set a required minimum age level (but not 18+ in Australia obviously, we’re apparently too immature for that!) and that stores be penalised for breaching that. I am, for some parts, on the side of the ‘think of the children’ people but only until the discussion devolves into it’s natural end of "If children can’t play it, then it has to be erased from existence", then I remember that most people are idiots and walk away shaking my head in disappointment.

  142. Austin_Lewis says:

    Well Yahweh, I think you, much like Brad from exgamer.net, are a fucking liar.

    Why would I think this?  Your husband spoke to Brandon’s father during the search, and came up with something completely different than the rest of the world found.  If I’m not mistaken, NEWS OUTLETS were reporting that Brandon’s father helped him pack.  I’m sure you’re a more reliable source. 

    If his addiction was indeed ‘so bad’, he would’ve gone somewhere he could satisfy it when he ran away.  I know, you know better because your husband was part of the search team (sad though, that none of you geniuses thought to check the last place he was known to be seen well enough to find Brandon), but him walking away from his community and not walking towards the nearest friend with an XBOX 360 rules out an addiction.  Come back when you have a Doctorate in Criminology and Sociology and any knowledge of how addiction affects a family and you can try and discuss this again. 

    What do I get out of gaming?  An activity that branches generations; my dad, my son, and I can play guitar hero together and everyone has a good time.  Now, my dad and I can play guitar together, but any time my son tries to he gets embarassed (he’s not quite as talented as us yet) and gives up, which turns fun into embarassment for him.  What do my wife and I get out of it?  A fun activity that we can compete against each other in without resentment spawned by certain other activities.  We also enjoy the stories games have, from the tale of Niko Bellic and his life in America to the tale of the Wanderer of the Wastes, to a tale of a child named Link carrying a man’s burden, the tale of a blonde kid with a punk hairdo and giant sword who saved the world, the tale of a team of Elite SAS soldiers who gave their lives to put an end to a terrorists’ regime and save the world, to the tale of a scientist who put down his pencil and picked up a crowbar to make a future, to a whimsical tale of an AI that had some strange tests to run and lied to me about some cake that I NEVER FUCKING GOT.

    Once again, I think you’re lying about your husband helping in the ‘search’.  Call it a gut feeling.

    Anything can be ‘addicting’ but it isn’t the cause, addiction is the symptom.  Find the underlying cause; let’s examine his home life, his school life, his peer interaction, and his self-image.  Or we could pussy out again as a community and blame an inanimate object.

    By the by, I recently went without video games (and power) for a week.  How did I survive?  Oh, wait, I have other hobbies too.  Hmm, probably because VIDEO GAMES ARE NO MORE ADDICTIVE THAN GAMBLING, CHURCH, SPORTS, OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY.

    Go spout your idiocy in Canada, we’ve had enough of it on the internet.

  143. HitlersGaybar says:

    As ze article in EscapistMagazine attempts to convey, Brandon was addicted to ze online community in which he was a part of in Call of Duty, eine place where he mattered, eine place where he was skilled and could boast his achievements to his fellow kamerads. When ze xbox was taken from him, so waz ze identity he had created for himself, ze identity that waz his escape from eine mundane and meaningless existence. It was his haven, the place where he would go for frieden, peace, a place where he thought he mattered and when his family tore that identity from him, he stood face to face with ze cruel reality. This he could not do, and as eine responze he rebellierte by leaving ze heim. Ze enorme media-coverage he received might also have discouraged him to return. Zis kind of escapism iz not exclusive to games and is seen troughout modern society, it iz identity crisizes like zese all parents must be vary of in all their forms. Unfortunately, his parents were at fault as zey did not have ze insight to help their child in time.

    You meine fraulein should also show better insight than you have done and research alternative viewpointz.

    Also, as eine 15 jahr old who had grown up in ze local area, he should have known besser.

  144. Nocturne says:

    Just to piggy-back on Andrews point, a quick look into the articles that are referenced in the wikipedia pastins brings up some telling sentances.

    Being British myself I looked into that one from Professor Mark Griffiths, of Nottingham Trent University which surveyed 7000 online gamers:

    Although these gamers show some signs of addiction, our results do not conclusively show that the gamers are genuinely addicted.

     

  145. Andrew Eisen says:

    I’m not going to bother with the whole argument as I’m quite busy at work today but I will say this:

    I find it very telling that each time the wiki entry for Video Game Addiction has been copy/pasted into this thread, the first sentence has been left off.

    "No formal studies have been published addressing the prevalence of a possible video game addiction."

    Now, why would that be deliberately omitted?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  146. ezbiker555 says:

    I went back and fixed my comments once I realized how immature and stupid they were. Not to mention, this thing is already getting out of hand becasue its like JT all over again minus JT (which I guess is a good thing depending on how you look at it). I mean tarosan got banned today for saying something really offensive today, and was banned for that. We are getting too emotional here.

  147. ezbiker555 says:

    EZK you always amaze me with the points you make everytime in a argument. I couldn’t agree more with what you said.

  148. CYVR says:

     

    I consider myself between casual and hardcore when it came to games, I used to be on XBL pretty much everyday for maybe 3 hours total.  My 360 went on the fritz about 5 months ago and it still isn’t fixed. I’ve gone without my 360 for 5 months, and I’m still here and fine. My PS3 is in perfect working condition and I play it maybe a total of 4 hours a week. I use my other consoles maybe once or twice a week for a few hours at the most.

    So saying a gamer wouldn’t last a day without their console is a pretty broad generalization isn’t it? I have other things to worry about rather than gaming. Would I love to have my 360 fixed? Hell yeah, but at the moment it’s low on my list of life priorities.

    (I apologize if this double posted, my computer was acting funny)

     

  149. CYVR says:

    I consider myself between casual and hardcore when it came to games, I used to be on XBL pretty much everyday for maybe 3 hours total.  My 360 went on the fritz about 5 months ago and it still isn’t fixed. I’ve gone without my 360 for 5 months, and I’m still here and fine. My PS3 is in perfect working condition and I play it maybe a total of 4 hours a week. I use my other consoles maybe once or twice a week for a few hours at the most.

    So saying a gamer wouldn’t last a day without their console is a pretty broad generalization isn’t it? I have other things to worry about rather than gaming. Would I love to have my 360 fixed? Hell yeah, but at the moment it’s low on my list of life priorities.

  150. PHX Corp says:

    Let’s just stop what we’re doing for a moment. we dont want to end up being outright banned. so lets calm down for once. we don’t want people(Both gamers and non-gamers) getting out of control and becoming Trolls. to the point of forcing Dennis to ban ppl who violate the Terms he set forth.

  151. Loudspeaker says:

    In respect to the dead and his parents I will simply reply with logic.  Proof of the addiction or it never happened.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  152. Loudspeaker says:

    9000??!!  9000!!!!!!!!!  He’s over 9000!!!!!!

    A cookie for all who get the reference

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  153. magic_taco says:

    Could beat that in my sleep,

     

    Good luck miss, I hope i get something good,Cause i’ve not touched a video game in a month, Well I spend more time weightlifting, Drawing Furry art, Studying business and finance at Job corps of america, And Oh did i mention studying?

  154. Krono says:

    1) You’re copy/pasting from Wikipedia like Yahweh up there is, which isn’t exactly a good source of unbiased research or facts.

    2) Posts over 300 end up on a second page.

    -Gray17

  155. LujanD says:



    Yawheh, I agree that it’s wrong to lump the blame solely on the parents but honestly, you’re not exactly building sympathy by insinuating everyone here is addicted to games.

    As for a game addiction being worse than heroin…

    This has been mentioned before and (to put it bluntly) is the BIGGEST load of rubbish I’ve ever heard. It trivializes chemical addiction if anything and I can’t even begin to express how infuriated that makes me.

  156. jer says:

    I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

    I haven’t played any games for over 4 months, including board games. I wish I could but have too many projects keeping me occupied, not including working to support myself.

    Since i won the bet, what do i win?

  157. Krono says:

    The Wikipedia article has already been copy/pasted from once. Kindly do not keep repeatedly doing so, as it adds nothing to the argument, takes up space, and makes you look likea fool that cannot do research, or come up with their own arguements.

    -Gray17

  158. Arcanagos says:

    "Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug."

    Assuming this isn’t a troll, who is your "expert"? Jack Thompson, a.k.a. the former lawyer that lost his job for lies just like that one?  Withdrawal symptoms for highly addictive drugs like crack and heroin include nausea, vomiting, severe mood swings, irritability, and in some cases, death; NONE of which happen when someone doesn’t stare at pixels for a few hours.  The game may have been the last straw for him, but if he was truly addicted as you say, wouldn’t he have gone to a friend’s house where he could "get his fix" as crackpots like you might say?

    If this is a troll, then yes I’ve been fooled, and I hope you’re banned

  159. Amen4u says:

    I guess the entire population that have recorded studies are all wrong too.

    A Harris Interactive poll released in April 2007 found that 8.5% of "youth gamers" in the United States could be "classified as pathologically or clinically ‘addicted’ to playing video games."[9] A British survey reported in November 2006 indicated 12% of polled gamers exhibit addictive behaviours.[10] Video game overuse is believed to be more of a problem in Asia.[11] A governmental survey in South Korea estimated that 2.4% of South Koreans aged 9 to 39 are addicts, with 10.2 percent more "borderline cases."[12]

    A 2005 survey by the Entertainment Software Association found that "video game overuse" was more common in players of MMORPGs.[13] In an interview in 2005, Dr. Maressa Orzack of McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts estimated that 40% of the 10 million players of MMORPG World of Warcraft are addicted, a figure she derived from the survey managed by Nick Yee at the The Daedalus Project. [14]. However, Nick Yee has pointed out that caution should be exercised when interpreting this survey data[15].

    A July 2007 article indicates a 15-year-old boy from Perth, Western Australia abandoned all other activities to play RuneScape, a popular MMORPG. The boy’s father compared the condition to a heroin addiction.[16]

    A 2008 Study by Stanford University School of Medicine suggests that video game addiction in men may be more prevalent than women when the game concept revolves around territorial control. [17] In a first-of-its-kind imaging study, the Stanford University School of Medicine researchers have shown that the part of the brain that generates rewarding feelings is more activated in men than women during video-game play. "These gender differences may help explain why males are more attracted to, and more likely to become ‘hooked’ on video games than females," the researchers wrote in their paper, which was recently published online in the Journal of Psychiatric Research.

    Some countries, like South Korea, China, the Netherlands and the United States, have responded to the perceived threat of video game addiction by opening treatment centers

    The Chinese government operates several clinics to treat those addicted to online games, chatting and web surfing. Treatment for the patients, most of whom have been forced to attend by parents or government officials, include various forms of pain or uneasiness.[24][25]

    China also introduced an "anti-online gaming addiction system" in 2005 intended to reduce addiction by diminishing in-game rewards after three hours of play.[26] In 2006, the system was altered so that users over 18 did not face the limitations.[27] Reports indicate underage gamers are finding ways to circumvent the measure.[28]

    The Chinese government has launched a campaign to limit the number of hours teenagers spend online playing games. Under new rules, from July 2007 Internet cafes in China must install a program that requires users to enter their ID card numbers. After three hours, players under 18 are prompted to stop and "do suitable physical exercise." If they continue, the software slashes by half any points earned in the game; all points are erased if players stay on more than five hours. [29]

    The Netherlands

    In June 2006, the Smith and Jones Clinic[30] in Amsterdam became the first treatment facility in Europe to offer a residential treatment program for compulsive gamers.[31]

     United States and Canada

    McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts has set up "Computer Addiction Services"[32]. Elsewhere, gamers may seek services at generalized addiction support centers. At one such center in Richmond, British Columbia, Canada, excessive gaming accounts for 80% of one youth counselor‘s caseload.[33]

    Online Gamers Anonymous, an American non-profit organization formed in 2002, is a twelve-step, self-help, support and recovery organization for gamers and their loved ones who are suffering from the adverse effects of excessive computer game playing. The organization provides a variety of message boards, several on-line meetings and other tools for healing and support

  160. TheSmokey says:

    You are completely wrong on the age thing, you know.

    This is why the police wouldn’t conduct a search right away. Brandon was thought of as a runaway, but here in Canada children at the age of 14 can leave home if they wish and the parents can not make them stay.

    No. What you are quoting is the Age of Consent (sexual consent) for Canada, which WAS 14 until a year or two ago. It was raised to 16. However, for a minor to be considered an adult (and no longer a minor), the age in Canada is 18 in Ontario (yes, I know the two seperate ages don’t make sense; at least not to me). Here are the other provinces:

    CANADA-AGE OF MAJORITY BY PROVINCE:

    Alberta: 18.
    British Columbia: 19.
    Manitoba: 18.
    New Brunswick: 19.
    Newfoundland: 19
    Northwest Territories: 19.
    Nova Scotia: 19.
    Ontario: 18.
    Prince Edward Island: 18.
    Quebec: 18.
    Saskatchewan: 18.

    So at the age of 15, Brendan was a MINOR and his father, while unable to use FORCE to keep him at home, had every LEGAL right to have him considered a run-away the minute his foot stepped out the door, and the police can be called at that time. As I said in a previous post, though, 99% of parents aren’t calling the cops when their kid says they are going to runaway.

    Al

  161. ezbiker555 says:

    Edited to be a more mature here.

    1. Using information from wikipedia is useless becasue almost most of the time its incorrect or biased

    2. Challenging us to go without gaming. Already Completted, in fact, im more of a gamer than my roommate is in college and he’s playing on my xbox everyday, while i on the other hand am studying most of the day, and haven’t even touched my xbox in a full month now

    3. Yes it sad what happend, but the more i think about it, the more I see that Brandon had a chocie and chose to keep playing. I will admit, games can be addicting, but one has to be able to seperate games from their life and Brandon oviboulsy couldn’t do that. Here’s why Im able to. My parents set time limits for me. At first i hated it, but in the end now, I appriciate it. Had they not done something siimple as that i would be in the same boat as brandon (not dead however) playing non stop. Its that simple, make time limits and be more involved with your kids life. Yes I’m now saying that both the parents and the kid are at fault for this whole ordeal but it still a tragedy at the same time for the family.

    4. Stop generalizing, not all of us here are who you say we are.

     

  162. E. Zachary Knight says:

    You probably aren’t reading much of the comments here, but I will ask you this:

    If what you say is true and Brandon was addicted to gaming, What were his parents doing to find and fill that emotional need he had been filling with gaming?

    If read my comments above I outline the difference between a chemical addiction(alcohol, tobacco, drugs) and an emotional addiction (gaming, gambling, porn). In essence, chemical addictions alter the body’s chemical balance and the body becomes dependent on the outside chemical to retain the new balance. This can be fixed through proper treatment and heavy withdrawal. The body re-balances itself eventually.

    Unfortunately, emotional addictions cannot be fixed as easily. First you have to find what emotional void the person is filling with the object of the addiction. Then you have to replace that with something better that fulfills that need. You cannot, understand that cannot, simply remove the object that fills that need. Because of the emotional and psychological attachment, the person will not be able to cope without it.

    Now I bring this up because emotional addictions can be expressed in a variety of ways. They can be expressed through gaming, gambling, pornography, even relationships to other people. Have you ever met someone who just lost their best friend. Depending on that person’s emotional connection to the lost friend, their life starts to collapse. That friend filled an emotional need for the person and now that is left void. They cannot fill it with anything else. This person could be said to have been addicted to their friend.

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  163. Krono says:

    Do the research for yourself. It is highly documented that Gaming is addictive.

    Again, your copy/pastes from Wikipedia are not research. Nor does anything in the section you just pasted actually refute or even dispute my statement that your comment from the experts regarding withdraw only applies to chemical addictions, not to psychological addictions.

    -Gray17

  164. nighstalker160 says:

    Challenge completed several times buddy.  Law School doesn’t give me much time for gaming.

    What do I get out of it?  Well it’s fun, its an escape.

    Particually in World of Warcraft it’s a way to "virtually" hang with some friends of fine from high school when we now live in different states (I’m in Virginia, one is in New York, the other in Oklahoma.  We can’t hang out like we used to but we can get together in World of Warcraft, talk over voice-chat and run some quests.  It’s fun.  90% of the time we’re just chatting while killing boars or something to grind.

    So, I can give you an example where video games have let me preserve to valued frienships that probably would have died if I didn’t have World of Warcraft.

  165. TheSmokey says:

    By LAW Brandon’s father could not stop him

    Ummmm. No. Unless you live in a different Ontario, Canada than I do, a minor can’t legally leave home / move out (without parental / guardian approval) until they are 18. Under that age they are considered a run-away. So by strict definition of the "LAW" (your caps), then yes, Brandon’s father could have stopped him.

    Mind you, 99% of parents aren’t going to call the cops when their kid threatens to run away.

    Al

  166. BearDogg-X says:

    Maybe you shouldn’t believe anything you hear. The first words out of the father’s mouth was blaming the game.

    Oh, by the way, I did last 10 days, assclown, because of Hurricane Gustav. Maybe you heard of it?  I also lasted another two weeks after that without cable tv or internet. So when do you plan to pay up?

    Why is that some so-called adults don’t know how to grow up and get a life?

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


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  167. Yawheh says:

    I do not know about any comments or dates about COD4, this is what Brandon’s father told my husband.

    Brandon was very upset that we took is XBOX away from him, we had tried to limit his use several times, with no success. We had taken the xbox and hid it from him, but only to come home and find that he had found it and was playing online against our wishes. Brandon had become so addicted to playing online that he wouldn’t even sit at the table with us for dinner.

    On the Thursday before thanksgiving, Brandon’s parents spoke to him about skipping school that day and staying home to play COD4. They took away his xbox and Brandon became quite upset. Brandon tried to look desperatley for the xbox but the parents had removed it from the house. Brandon got really upset and threatened to run away if his parents didn’t return the xbox to him. When his parents refused to give him back the xbox, Brandon packed his napsack and left. Just before he walked out the door, the father looked in his napsack to see what he had inside. A tooth brush, deodorant, a shirt, and a pack of crackers.  All indicating that he might be gone overnight to a friends house and prove to his parents that he was serious about running away if he didn’t get his xbox back..

    Lots of children threaten to run away when they don’t get their own way.

    This is why the police wouldn’t conduct a search right away. Brandon was thought of as a runaway, but here in Canada children at the age of 14 can leave home if they wish and the parents can not make them stay.

    After several days passed and there was no word from Brandon the police put out a missing persons report. My husband got the call late one night requesting his participation in the search. My husband belongs the proffesional team of searchers that assit police in missing persons in Ontario. They commensed there search with a lead from the witness that said she saw Brandon onlong the railroad trail. The search was massive, my husbands team seached along with the police unit, using tracking dogs. Terry Grant, an expert bush tracker who is featured in the Outdoor Life Network show Mantracker, arrived Friday night to take part in the search. He assisted the volunteers (over 100) so they would have some guidance in the search. My Husband also spoke to Terry Grant on Saturday Morning. Terry advised that there was very little hope that Brandon would be found alive if indeed he was loss in the woods for this long a period.  Others on the scene had speculated that Brandon might have commited suicide as his withdrawl worsened. And that withdrawl could be worse than coming off heroin.

    I know that alot of things are being said, some constructive and some cruel. Like I said in an earlier post. I originally came to this site in hopes of gaing some insight to help with the search. When my husband came home after each day of searching, I found myself getting more and more involved emotionally. I know Brandon’s mother from when I worked at a sister paper of where she works. I do not know her very well, but I am sickened at the thought that she has loss her only son. Angelika  and Steve Crisp deserve your support at their time of loss, not bashing their parenting skills or descrediting their true belief of their sons gaming addiction.

     

  168. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    "I am assuming that most of you are adults on this site and are not under the rules of parents when it comes to playing your games. Lets see how most of you would cope if your gaming was taken away from you indefinately."

    I stopped playing games when my son was born for several weeks. I didn’t run off and kill myself, because I have no problems that lead me to be addicted to it. I wasn’t able to go out and drink alcohol with my friends for several weeks, and I didn’t go crazy because I have no problems that lead to me being addicted to it. Games don’t make people addicted. Problems do. This kid had problems and that’s unfortunately why he is dead.

    "I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day."

    Done it. You lost your bet.

    "Game addiction was and is the CAUSE of Brandon running away."

    Game addiction is not the fault of the game, nor of those who create it. It is the fault of the individual who becomes addicted.

    How dare you try and paint us as some kind of junkies like this kid apparently was? It’s a passtime to us. An interest. A way of having fun. Not some kind of overpowering compulsion that renders us incapable of or averse to human contact. Not something that overrides our sense of responsibility.

    We aren’t the ones with a problem. This kid was.

  169. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Challenge me not to play for week? Ha, my dear Yawheh, I often don’t play video games for even more than a week at a time. It has something to do with work, sports, and my studies. Think next time before you make an ignorant, rash generalization such as that.

  170. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Yawheh, I love how you paint everyone here as some sort of game addict. Yes, games, like anything else, can be highly addictive for certain people. But I am being completely and truly honest when I say that I am in no way, shape, or form addicted to video games. With school and work, I’m lucky if I’m able to play games for one day a week, and even when I do have free time i often spend it doing something other than gaming anyway. Bottom line: rash generalizations and stereotyping do more to make you look like the fool than me.

  171. Kincyr says:

    Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

    Care to put your money where your mouth is? ’cause you just lost that bet; I didn’t even play a board-game yesterday.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  172. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    "I am assuming that most of you are adults on this site and are not under the rules of parents when it comes to playing your games. Lets see how most of you would cope if your gaming was taken away from you indefinately."

    I stopped playing games when my son was born for several weeks. I didn’t run off and kill myself, because I have no problems that lead me to be addicted to it. I wasn’t able to go out and drink alcohol with my friends for several weeks, and I didn’t go crazy because I have no problems that lead to me being addicted to it. Games don’t make people addicted. Problems do. This kid had problems and that’s unfortunately why he is dead.

    "I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day."

    Done it. You lost your bet.

    "Game addiction was and is the CAUSE of Brandon running away."

    Game addiction is not the fault of the game, nor of those who create it. It is the fault of the individual who becomes addicted.

    How dare you try and paint us as some kind of junkies like this kid apparently was? It’s a passtime to us. An interest. A way of having fun. Not some kind of overpowering compulsion that renders us incapable of or averse to human contact. Not something that overrides our sense of responsibility.

    We aren’t the ones with a problem. This kid was.

  173. Yawheh says:

     Anyways, your comment from the experts only applies to chemical addictions, not to psychological addictions?

     

    China introduced an "anti-online gaming addiction system" in 2005 intended to reduce addiction by diminishing in-game rewards after three hours of play.[26] In 2006, the system was altered so that users over 18 did not face the limitations.[27] Reports indicate underage gamers are finding ways to circumvent the measure.[28]

    The Chinese government has launched a campaign to limit the number of hours teenagers spend online playing games. Under new rules, from July 2007 Internet cafes in China must install a program that requires users to enter their ID card numbers. After three hours, players under 18 are prompted to stop and "do suitable physical exercise." If they continue, the software slashes by half any points earned in the game; all points are erased if players stay on more than five hours. [29]

    McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts has set up "Computer Addiction Services"[32]. Elsewhere, gamers may seek services at generalized addiction support centers. At one such center in Richmond, British Columbia, Canada, excessive gaming accounts for 80% of one youth counselor‘s caseload.[33]

    Online Gamers Anonymous, an American non-profit organization formed in 2002, is a twelve-step, self-help, support and recovery organization for gamers and their loved ones who are suffering from the adverse effects of excessive computer game playing. The organization provides a variety of message boards, several on-line meetings and other tools for healing and support.

    Do the research for yourself. It is highly documented that Gaming is addictive.

  174. Adamas Draconis says:

    Miss, considering I haven’t played much of anything lately, mostly because I’ve been reading. I already call your challenge defeated.  You say gaming can be addictive. Last I checked any source of pleasure can be addictive. Does that mean I need rehab to get over an addiction to books? People would call that a GOOD thing. So tell me just whats the difference. Otherwise, and this is to the whole lot of you who automaticly claim game addiction when something like this happens. 

    PROVE IT OR SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCKING HELL UP!

     Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  175. Krono says:

    So for you folks that are truly uneducated about the reality of gaming addiction, why don’t you really do some research on the subject before trying to convince others that gaming is not addictive.

    Copy/pasting from Wikipedia is not research. Certainly no self respecting scholar would accept it as a source for a research paper, and there are a number of Universities that would issue a failing grade to any assignment that did so.

    -Gray17

  176. HarmlessBunny says:

    Actually I went to Ecuador for a year, and didn’t play video games for that time. ( I was 17 at the time)

    I play quite often now, but if my fiancee or my friends have free time to go out and have fun, I will walk away from WoW or anything else I am playing, because I know I can always return to it later. Are multiplayer games addictive? Sure they can be, if you have an imbalance in your life…that takes over and consumes you. Yahweh, it wasn’t the addiction that killed him, it was his CHOICE to leave the house in protest and hide out elsewhere that killed him. What caused the addiction, the addition (if he was) were indeed fueling his fire. However it comes down to choice, and it was HIS choice to run. His father could have made a choice and told his son to stay, but didn’t.

    Would it not make sense if you were addicted to a game, to stay put and try to find another way to feed the video game addiction?

  177. JHorel says:

    I agree with you on a few points.

    1. the Media gets information wrong
    2. Brandons gaming did have a CONTRIBUTION to his running away (how much is up for debate and as brandon is no longer with us, RIP, we will never truly know)

    However I doubt that it was the ONLY reason he had for not returning/taking his own life/other possiblitys that I will not speculate on.

    you say that they are blaming his addiction but in every article about addiction(gaming/drugs/gambling/other..) and responses to such, Most people end up placing the blame on the item of addiction(gaming in this case) rather than the addictive behaviour itself. This is why this community defends gaming. The gaming itself is not to blame but the persons behaviour.

  178. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

    I challenge you to use your brain a little more and start thinking that not all gamers are sociopaths or slackers, you dumbass…

    My current job don´t let me play games a lot, but I´m OK but still playing enough because is something I like to do no matter how many years have passed, I´ll keep playing games as much I´d want.

    Get a life, you dork.

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  179. Krono says:

    My Husband Spoke to Brandon’s father during the search. His addiction to this game was soo bad that he would stay up until 4 or 5 in the morning playing this game. He also started to skip school. Friends would come over to his house and he would refuse to go out and play a game of Basketball  or go to the movies to stay behind and play COD4.

    Ok, if your husband spoke to Brandon’s father, then could you clear up the whole thing about how Brandon could be addicted to playing COD4 months before it even came out?

    Lets see how most of you would cope if your gaming was taken away from you indefinately. Mybe you would not run away or commit suicide , but I guess there would be a whole lot of withdrawl going on.

    My power went out one weekend a few months ago. After a couple of hours of reading, I went out, caught a movie, and stopped by the bookstore. When the power came back after two days, the router was screwed up, and it was a couple more until we got it fixed and got internet connectivity back. I considered the whole thing to be only a minor annoyance. I’d imagine pretty much everyone that posts here can tell similar stories of their own.

    The Bottom line here is. YES Gaming in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This game was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    No, the bottomline is that anything can be addicting. Food can be addicting. I highly doubt Brandon was addicted. I think it’s possible he was depressed and unconsciously attempting to self-medicate in a manner healthier than over or undereating, or seeking out drugs or alcohol; but I doubt he was addicted. Anyways, your comment from the experts only applies to chemical addictions, not to psychological addictions.

    I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

    *Yawn*

    Didn’t play games at all from early September to late October. A little matter of too much work to be done around the house. Specifically a little project of fixing the doorknobs and hinges in the house I’d set myself to work on.

    Now were we betting money, or just your credibility? Personally I’d prefer money, but given the state of the economy I understand completely if you’d rather just lose a bit of your credibility.

    -Gray17

  180. Yawheh says:

     

     

    Here are some facts that I found

    A Harris Interactive poll released in April 2007 found that 8.5% of "youth gamers" in the United States could be "classified as pathologically or clinically ‘addicted’ to playing video games."[9] A British survey reported in November 2006 indicated 12% of polled gamers exhibit addictive behaviours.[10] Video game overuse is believed to be more of a problem in Asia.[11] A governmental survey in South Korea estimated that 2.4% of South Koreans aged 9 to 39 are addicts, with 10.2 percent more "borderline cases."[12]

    A 2005 survey by the Entertainment Software Association found that "video game overuse" was more common in players of MMORPGs.[13] In an interview in 2005, Dr. Maressa Orzack of McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts estimated that 40% of the 10 million players of MMORPG World of Warcraft are addicted, a figure she derived from the survey managed by Nick Yee at the The Daedalus Project.

    A 2008 Study by Stanford University School of Medicine suggests that video game addiction in men may be more prevalent than women when the game concept revolves around territorial control. [17] In a first-of-its-kind imaging study, the Stanford University School of Medicine researchers have shown that the part of the brain that generates rewarding feelings is more activated in men than women during video-game play. "These gender differences may help explain why males are more attracted to, and more likely to become ‘hooked’ on video games than females," the researchers wrote in their paper, which was recently published online in the Journal of Psychiatric Research.

    Researchers at the University of Rochester and Immersyve Inc. investigated what motivates gamers to continue playing video games. According to lead investigator Richard Ryan, they believe that players play for more reasons than just mere fun. Ryan, a motivational psychologist at Rochester, says that many video games can satisfy some basic psychological needs and often players continue to play because of rewards, freedom, and often a connection with other players.[

    The Chinese government operates several clinics to treat those addicted to online games, chatting and web surfing. Treatment for the patients, most of whom have been forced to attend by parents or government officials, include various forms of pain or uneasiness.[24][25]

    China also introduced an "anti-online gaming addiction system" in 2005 intended to reduce addiction by diminishing in-game rewards after three hours of play.[26] In 2006, the system was altered so that users over 18 did not face the limitations.[27] Reports indicate underage gamers are finding ways to circumvent the measure.[28]

    The Chinese government has launched a campaign to limit the number of hours teenagers spend online playing games. Under new rules, from July 2007 Internet cafes in China must install a program that requires users to enter their ID card numbers. After three hours, players under 18 are prompted to stop and "do suitable physical exercise." If they continue, the software slashes by half any points earned in the game; all points are erased if players stay on more than five hours. [29]

    McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts has set up "Computer Addiction Services"[32]. Elsewhere, gamers may seek services at generalized addiction support centers. At one such center in Richmond, British Columbia, Canada, excessive gaming accounts for 80% of one youth counselor‘s caseload.[33]

    Online Gamers Anonymous, an American non-profit organization formed in 2002, is a twelve-step, self-help, support and recovery organization for gamers and their loved ones who are suffering from the adverse effects of excessive computer game playing. The organization provides a variety of message boards, several on-line meetings and other tools for healing and support.

    There have been a variety of well-documented deaths around the world caused directly by exhaustion from playing games for excessive periods of time

    Gamer Lee Seung Seop died after playing Starcraft in a non-stop, 50 hour gaming marathon

    Dr. Karen Pierce, a psychiatrist at a children’s hospital in Seattle, treats at least two children a week who play computer and video games excessively, and "treats it like any addiction." [22]

    So for you folks that are truly uneducated about the reality of gaming addiction, why don’t you really do some research on the subject before trying to convince others that gaming is not addictive.

     

  181. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Who the FUCK do you think you are, some fan of Jack Thompson? Grow up already.

    I have more to say, but the words are lost. When I find them, I will edit them into this post.

    BTW, I hope Dennis bans you. We do not tolerate Trolls.

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  182. Yawheh says:

    Game addiction was and is the CAUSE of Brandon running away. Do you folks only read between the lines. My Husband Spoke to Brandon’s father during the search. His addiction to this game was soo bad that he would stay up until 4 or 5 in the morning playing this game. He also started to skip school. Friends would come over to his house and he would refuse to go out and play a game of Basketball  or go to the movies to stay behind and play COD4.

    Tell me something! what do you folks get out of gaming. How many hours a day do you spend on your games.  Gaming is an emotionally satisfying ritual. It is an adrenaline rush, to beat your opponant wether real or animated. I am assuming that most of you are adults on this site and are not under the rules of parents when it comes to playing your games. Lets see how most of you would cope if your gaming was taken away from you indefinately. Mybe you would not run away or commit suicide , but I guess there would be a whole lot of withdrawl going on. Now remember we are talking about a young 15 year boy who was realtively shy and never got into any trouble.

    As I said earlier, my husband had the opportunity to  speak to Brandon’s father. HE DID NOT PACK HIS BAG. He looked inside his napsack to see what he had packed. With what he saw, he assumed that his son was going to stay overnight somehwere and would be back after he cooled down. By LAW Brandon’s father could not stop him.  When Brandon did not show up at anyone of his friends home, they assumed that he might have went to another gamers residence that he met online. Brandon had over 200 contacts on his XBOX.  Brandon was MISSING. None of his friends had heard from him and it wasn’t until they launched a Missing persons report on the news they got their first clue. Please do not believe everything you read on the news. The media gets most things wrong. No one is blaming the game or gaming community! They are blaming his addiction to the Game.  After they didn’t hear from Brandon for over a week, all kinds of things started to run through everyones minds. One thought was that he was lured by another gamer and was hurt or being kept against his will. He had not logged onto his account, he was not in touch with anyone. Yes there are many sick individuals out there that also prey on young boys. I am not saying that Gamers are sick individuals, but predators use any means to lure their victims. And what better place than a  site being used by thousands of children.

    The Bottom line here is. YES Gaming in any form can be addicting. Was Brandon addicted? Yes he was. Was this addiction so powerful that it contributed to his death? YES. This game was his entire life. Some experts say that the withdrawl can be worse than coming off any highly addictive drug.

    I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

     

  183. ZippyDSMlee says:


    My condolences for the lost and the living yet left behind.. life can be inafectcauil and the mind hatful towards self spiraling down dark depressing roads… my condolences for the living that have yet move on and for the dead that have left us to quick. (no I am not knee deep in a depressive slump this past week or 2….. >>)

     

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
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  184. PHX Corp says:

    I think we need to set up a Special article after what happened yesterday titled "What we’ve Learned from the flame war in one article" and show similar incidents in two similar articles outside Gamepolitics so we may never go that far again

  185. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    While I was rather busy yesterday and was not able to follow the comments here like I wanted to, What I have read so far has really taken the cake. There are some rather insensitive comments, but also some sincere onces. I understand the defensiveness that gamers have over their hobby. When it is attacked from all sides, it doesn’t take much to get us into defense mode.

    I read Liz Wolly and Exgamer’s comments and both really disgust me. They both accused us of using this boy’s death to forward our agenda, when they were both guilty of the same. 

    I really feel bad for the loss of this kid and feel sorry for his family. I don’t know the full story over what happened to him leading up to him running away or what caused his death. Those things will probably be revealed later.

    What I do know is that video games were not the cause of death. They probably weren’t the reason he run away, but a part of the whole reason.There was definitely more to this than the media or the parents have let on.

    I am also disgusted at the level of focus the media placed on this so called "game addiction". This had very little to nothing to do with him running away. I also think that as gamers and readers here, we took what the police were doing with the console a little out of context. They were most likely trying to find people who spoke to him shortly before running away and maybe some kind of chat log. 

    This story ended badly for the kid and his family. I feel sorry for that. Happy endings don’t always happen, no matter how much we wish.

    I also feel sorry that this will be another story that will be used to fuel the attacks of ignorant people against the games industry. The only thing we can do is act a little more civilized similar future incidents happen.

    EDIT: I would also like to add this. Game addiction cannot be compared to a chemical addiction such as alcohol, tobacco or drugs. Those types of addictions create chemical dependencies in their hosts. The chemicals in the substance alter the chemicals in the body and create a dependency on the external chemical to fulfill the bodies need to keep the new chemical balance up. When you take away the external chemical, the body can’t remember how to correct itself for the missing chemical and bad things happen. With chemical addictions just about anyone can become addicted to them, some easier than other but still just about everyone.

    But with a game "addiction" or gambling "addiction" or porn "addiction" there is not chemical alteration in the body. So rather than altering a chemical make up, these "addictions" fill an emotional need in the host. That emotional need could be success, assertiveness, intimate, whatever. The host develops an emotional connection to the object of the addiction. But this is not a chemical addiction. These can be treated by addressing the reasons behind the emotional needs not just allowing the body or mind to correct themselves. If you take away an object of an emotional need without addressing that need, that person will either seek something else to fill that need or fall apart. But not everyone can get one of these "addictions". It takes certain personalities or other problems to gain one of these.

     

    WIN.

    EDIT: [E. Zachary Knight has won OVER 9000 Internets!]

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  186. digipen89 says:

    I wasn’t going to try to comment on this whole thing but some of these comments (and one’s on Kotaku) are disturbing. I feel bad for the parents, family, and friends of Brandon and my thoughts and prayers go out to them.

    I can understand people fighting against Jack and video games being blamed but come on. Sure the parents may have pushed the games side a little bit but the media is what took it further.

    Some people said stuff along the lines of the kid got what he deserved for running off? That’s just sick.

    If it had happened to your friend or brother you would be saddened and you wouldn’t be saying such things.

    Just cause the Internet gives you anonymity doesn’t mean you should say such horrible things.

    I’m a gamer but I don’t think I’ve ever wanted more to disassociate from that title if it puts me in the same category as some of these commenters.

  187. E. Zachary Knight says:

    While I was rather busy yesterday and was not able to follow the comments here like I wanted to, What I have read so far has really taken the cake. There are some rather insensitive comments, but also some sincere onces. I understand the defensiveness that gamers have over their hobby. When it is attacked from all sides, it doesn’t take much to get us into defense mode.

    I read Liz Wolly and Exgamer’s comments and both really disgust me. They both accused us of using this boy’s death to forward our agenda, when they were both guilty of the same.

    I really feel bad for the loss of this kid and feel sorry for his family. I don’t know the full story over what happened to him leading up to him running away or what caused his death. Those things will probably be revealed later.

    What I do know is that video games were not the cause of death. They probably weren’t the reason he run away, but a part of the whole reason.There was definitely more to this than the media or the parents have let on.

    I am also disgusted at the level of focus the media placed on this so called "game addiction". This had very little to nothing to do with him running away. I also think that as gamers and readers here, we took what the police were doing with the console a little out of context. They were most likely trying to find people who spoke to him shortly before running away and maybe some kind of chat log.

    This story ended badly for the kid and his family. I feel sorry for that. Happy endings don’t always happen, no matter how much we wish.

    I also feel sorry that this will be another story that will be used to fuel the attacks of ignorant people against the games industry. The only thing we can do is act a little more civilized similar future incidents happen.

    EDIT: I would also like to add this. Game addiction cannot be compared to a chemical addiction such as alcohol, tobacco or drugs. Those types of addictions create chemical dependencies in their hosts. The chemicals in the substance alter the chemicals in the body and create a dependency on the external chemical to fulfill the bodies need to keep the new chemical balance up. When you take away the external chemical, the body can’t remember how to correct itself for the missing chemical and bad things happen. With chemical addictions just about anyone can become addicted to them, some easier than other but still just about everyone.

    But with a game "addiction" or gambling "addiction" or porn "addiction" there is not chemical alteration in the body. So rather than altering a chemical make up, these "addictions" fill an emotional need in the host. That emotional need could be success, assertiveness, intimate, whatever. The host develops an emotional connection to the object of the addiction. But this is not a chemical addiction. These can be treated by addressing the reasons behind the emotional needs not just allowing the body or mind to correct themselves. If you take away an object of an emotional need without addressing that need, that person will either seek something else to fill that need or fall apart. But not everyone can get one of these "addictions". It takes certain personalities or other problems to gain one of these.

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  188. shobidoo says:

    Also im addicted too video games to some extent. Does that mean im gonna kill myself? No. Does it mean ill run away from home? No. Liz im sorry for your loss but Jack Thompsons not a desent man. In fact i dont know if he is a man at all.;) But i wil say that i do have withdraw at first when i stop playing video games but i play the game of life or somthing else. If only he had the game of life. i pray for the family and Brandon i dont blame the parents for the video games nonsense. They are confused and probably no they are completly Devastated.

  189. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Got that right, brother.

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    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  190. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    The only problems are that Paris hasn’t done shit (That I know of) and someone needs to reply to Miami Jack, otherwise he’ll get worse. Liz Wooley is the best alternative example of a Troll that I can find.

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  191. Aliasalpha says:

    Oh very much so and even though "Teenager Missing, authorities seek help" would have been better, if they HAD to focus on the game as part of the story they COULD have mentioned the community outpouring of sympathy, the offers of help, an appeal for help to anyone who may have known him online or even a mention of the selfish massacre chasing ex lawyer trying to stick his nose into things and grind his own long-ago-blunted-by-failure axe.

    There were plenty of ways to go but the media in general seem to have decided to go negative and go easy and as far as I’m concerned that’s about as unethical as it gets in journalism.

  192. Aliasalpha says:

    For those guests who may not be familiar with the term, Tarosan is what is termed as a Troll

     

    Troll
    One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument (Urban Dictionary)

     

    They’re as much an annoyance and embarassment to us as they are to anyone sane. Ignoring them is the only thing that approaches a defence as they are merely petulant children (or people retarded to the same level) who are only seeking attention of any dscription to validate their empty existance.

    See also: Jack Thompson, Paris Hilton

  193. Nocturne says:

    I think the game was targeted because, even if incorrect, it gave a focus which would have been better than not knowing anything at the time

  194. Aliasalpha says:

    The parents aren’t really the cause of any of this ‘games are evil’ bollocks, they said something in the heat of the moment and inspired by pain. Is there a person alive who has NOT said stupid or ill-considered things at moments like that?

    it’s the MEDIA we’re really pissed off about, how they ignored facts (or more importantly the lack thereof), logic & investigation because it’s more work than writing the headline "OMG! GAMEZ KILL TEH CHILDRENZ!!!!" and grabbing another few ratings points from people who really need to think more.

  195. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    I saw this. I say let him soak his head and cool down. There are better people here than Liz and Jack.

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  196. Mnementh2230 says:

     To Liz,

     

    Please stop for a moment.  First of all, let me say that yes, your son’s death was tragic.  So was this case.  HOWEVER, you’re missing a few points here.  Addiction is rarely a cause, and is more often a symptom of a deeper problem.  These deeper problems are best solved with PROFESSIONAL help.  Amature efforts like what was done in this case (cold turkey removal of the escape mechanism provided by the game) are just as likely to make the problem worse instead of better.  The kid needed professional help, as did your son.  The parents had the best of intentions, yes, but to be very blunt:  they messed up.  Now they’re blaming the symptom (game addiction) instead of the cause (unknown).  That makes as much sense as blaming a murder on a weapon, instead of the person wielding the weapon.

     

    The vast, VAST majority of gamers don’t have a problem with addiction.  We’re more or less mentally healthy and find a good balance between the various facets of our time, including our lesiure time.  You may ask why I’m being defensive?  It’s because people are quick to lash out at a scapegoat that for most provides harmless amusement and social interaction.

     

    The entire debacle has been tragic, but the best thing that can come of it is education for parents and friends to make sure that such things don’t happen again:  SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP in situations like these, or you might just make the problem worse.  Don’t treat the symptom, treat the cause.

     

     

  197. Nocturne says:

    He may have been wrong but in an argument neither party really acts rationally, things get said and done which arn’t meant and certainly no one would think that it would end the way it has. He stated that he believed Brandon would just come home and I don’t think there’s any reason to not believe that. Seriously when you had an argument with your parents (or kids if you have them) how often would the parent say straight away, hey let’s just talk about this. I don’t think this was an immediate thing either (ie Xbox one day, none the next) all the reports indicate that the late hours of gaming had been going on for a while and his parents had confronted him over it before ( also I think there was mention that this wasn’t the first time the Xbox had been confiscated but I may be mistaken.

    I’m sure that the dad feels somewhat guilty over what happend, I would if it had been me, but it’s not his fault, assuming the initial reports of no foul play are correct, it’s not really anyones fault. Things could have been handled better yes, but that doesn’t make him responsible.

  198. Nocturne says:

    P.S If this is banable offense then do so, I’m pretty much done here

    Well here’s hoping, comments like this don’t help anyone and make us all look bad.

  199. Trencher says:

    I feel for the family but to be perfectly honest it was the father who HELPED the kid pack his bag and sent him on his way. Instead of sitting down with him and coming to a comprimise with him he instigated his owns sons death. He may not of planned on it happening but the truth hurts and unfortunatly his father was WAY in the wrong on this one.

     

     

  200. NovaBlack says:

    wow.. what an idiotic and horrible comment.

     

    I hope you do get banned.

     

    Its because of the minority like you, that many people have the incorrect impression that gamers are immature, cruel people.

  201. Miang says:

    My cousin had schizophrenia. For years he abused drugs, self medicating in an attempt to cope with this illness. My family ignored his underlying conditions for the majority of this time, even when they were told that mental illness was the problem. I was a teenager while all this was going on. When I got older my family realized how bad my cousin was. They got him treatment for his drug additions, but for years more they ignored his mental illness. I, and several other people tried to change this, but were unsucessful. Only in the last year did they accept that he was schizophrenic. By the time he went to see a psychiatrist for treatment he had been schizophrenic for over 15 years and a drug addict for most of that time. He died of an overdose while in a treatment clinic three months ago. The drugs may have been the physical, chemical cause of my cousin’s death but it was the schizophrenia that killed him.

     

    That is just one example of the reasons for addiction. Games, like anything when taken to an extreme, can be addictive in people prone to impulse control problems. But they are not a cause of illness, rather they are the symptom of an underlying problem. Without treatment or acknowledgement of whatever the root cause is addiction is a problem that cannot be surmounted.

     

    Brandon Crisp may have been addicted to gaming. We’ll never really know. It doesn’t matter either, except that it will be a terrible thing if games are blamed instead of looking into whatever underlying causes made this boy so unhappy that he behaved this way. I feel terrible for the people who have to suffer through this loss, provided they were not in any way involved in whatever happened to the boy. My greatest sympathy however is reserved for Brandon himself who was obviously a deeply unhappy person.

     

    To Liz Wooly:

    We don’t have to justify ourselves or our hobbies to you. Plenty of us play games in an appropriate fashion, knowing how to balance them in our lives. Plenty of us have sucessful jobs, friendships and marraiges. I’m sorry your son had a problem, but whatever it was his gaming habits were a sympton of something deeper. Addictions always are. Your loss does not give you the justification to behave in an appalling manner. I know this will fall on deaf ears; your praise of Jack Thompson as a decent person reveals far more of you then it does to condemn us. Frankly your loss is a horse that you have beat to death for years. You arn’t the only person to ever loose a loved one to tragic circumstances. Most people who suffer tragedies don’t go out and try to hurt others; they deal with their grief and get help if they need it. I would reccommend you see a grief counselor but I see others have already suggested it and I doubt you would realize that it is a suggestion made out of compassion for your pain, not scorn for you.

    Some of the posters who have been harsh about Brandon,

    If the boy went out into the wilderness by himself with no idea how to survive and no clue where he was going it wasn’t bright. But doing not so bright things is almost the definition of being a teenager and I don’t think it adds anything constructive to the discussion to talk about how stupid a choice this might have been. We don’t know what he ws thinking at the time or where he planned to go. Let’s try not to judge the dead to no purpose.

  202. Krono says:

    I gather from your complaints about swear at you and calling you names that you are one and the same as the poster Yahweh?

    Kindly stick to one name, or clearly identify that you’ve switch. Otherwise it makes it look like you’re trying to create a sockpuppet for support.

    -Gray17

  203. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    You accused us of being addicts. That is why people are angry with you. We dissagree with each other all the time, including the topic of game addiction but we do our best to keep it civil. However, when a person comes along and insinuates that people she doesn’t even know are addicts and says things like "you couldn’t even last a day", people get angry.

     

    As for joining in the search, I live in California. Kinda difficult for me to do any searching in Canada.

     

     

  204. Cecil475 says:

    Join the search? My dear, quite a few of us do not live in the area in which Brandon Crisp lived. It would be hard for one such as myself, who lives in North Carolina, to search for someone that is in Canada. As I said in an earlier post, if you have taken the time to read them, is that if we all lived in the area where he lived, I’m sure a great deal of us would be looking for him too, but alas we do not. I take it you searched for him then if you made such a big deal of it. If not then get off our case, and quit pushing your agenda on us. Oh and as far as I know chat transcripts arn not kept on the XBOX or on the XBOX 360, or even the PS3.

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  205. Michael Chandra says:

    Edit: Please delete this, due to the constant new posts added a reply might not be read, so I’ll post it normally instead.

  206. Andrew Eisen says:

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t backtrack and read your earlier comments but I take it you are of the opinion that video game play is at least partially responsible for his death.

    My question is: without knowing how Brandon died, why would you assume his gaming habits had anything to do with it?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  207. Amen4u says:

    I am who I say I am, and it doesn’t really matter if you believe me or not.  You will no doubt argue until the cows come home that Gaming had nothing to do with Brandon’s death. Well folks, I am entitled to have my own opinion without being called a dork or some other foul mouth name.

     You are very mean people here. Cursing and swearing and calling me names. Didn’t see any of you so concerned that you joined the search.

    I do not care if you disagree with cut and past article, I do not want you to prove to me one way or another. I know what I know. And for the 100 time. Brandons’ dad DID NOT HELP HIM PACK HIS NAPSACK.

    His exact words to my husband were. " looked inside his napsack and it was evident that he was packed to stay overnight." He had his toothbrush, deoderant, a change of cloths and a pack of crackers." "I thought he was only going to a friends house for the night" and would be back tomorrow. "

    "when he didn’t come home we called all his friends, the school and no one had heard from him or seen him. Now we are worried that he took up with one of his internet friends that he played online with"

    That is what he said to my husband word for word.

    The police were concentrating on his xbox to see if there were any of his on line gaming friends nearby. 1000’s of tips and calls were made to police and were putting every idea into their heads. From Going to Las Vegas to a gaming covention to someone kidnapping him for tournament playing.  They were leaving no call unturned. They had to follow up on all calls.

     

     

  208. BearDogg-X says:

    And I never said that all gamers were addicts

    You implied it:

    I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week. or one month, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day.

    ===========

    You are also blaming his parents for letting him leave to the point you are saying that his father Packed his napsack.

    It came from a news article:

    http://www.thestar.com/News/article/521731

    Steve called his son’s bluff and even helped him pack his knapsack.

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    I do find it weird that everytime you copy/pasted the wikipedia article, you conveniently omit the first sentence:

    "No formal studies have been published addressing the prevalence of a possible video game addiction."

    Also, a study on alledged "video game addiction" was inconclusive, meaning it wasn’t proven one way or another. Maybe it does exist, then again, maybe it doesn’t.

    In another article(http://www.simcoe.com/innisfil_journal/article/119697): St. Joseph’s Catholic Secondary School principal Matt McCann said Brandon was a good student, without attendance issues, until he left home over a week ago.

    Maybe we are sick and tired of self-righteous hypocrites attacking our hobby, but it still doesn’t give you the right to look down on us. You owe us an apology as far as I’m concerned.

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  209. Amen4u says:

    And I never said that all gamers were addicts, you folks start your fights and put words into peoples posts. I said that Brandon was addicted to playing his XBOx, you folks said there was no such thing as being addicted to gaming.

    You are also blaming his parents for letting him leave to the point you are saying that his father Packed his napsack. I think that you folks here have been so brutally attacked about gaming that you are all taking everything that I have said to mean that I am attacking gamers. On the contraire. I don’t claim to be an expert on gaming addiction, but I do know that it is very real and effects peoples lives. And no I would not go into a wine store and start ranting about liquor being sold because of all the drunk drivers out there. I am not in here to blame anyone. I was only trying to clarify some facts about Brandon. MY GOD what is wrong with people. Stop being on the defense about gaming. 

     The term "addiction" is used in many contexts to describe an obsession, compulsion, or excessive physical dependence or psychological dependence, such as: drug addiction, alcoholism, crime, compulsive overeating, problem gambling, computer addiction, etc.

    The term addiction is also sometimes applied to compulsions that are not substance-related, such as problem gambling and computer addiction. In these kinds of common usages, the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual’s health, mental state or social life.

    Now what part of addiction don’t you understand. Gaming addiction exists, get it through your head. A young boy just died because of his addiction and the addicting game being taken away from him. There are no other underlying reasons. No he was not mental, no he was not depressed, no he was not into drugs, no he was not dealing with an unhappy life at home. HE LOVED PLAYING GAMES AND BECAME ADDICTED.

     

  210. Andrew Eisen says:

    "Wether he was trying to make it to a friends house, and died of exposure. or committed suicide. The main issue was his affixiation with COD4 that he felt the need to run away."

    So, however Brandon died, you’re going to blame his death on the reason he walked out the front door?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  211. Amen4u says:

    My question is: without knowing how Brandon died, why would you assume his gaming habits had anything to do with it?

    Andrew I am a little closer to home than the readers here. My husband was part of the proffesional search team. And not only had first hand knowlege of the situation but also spoke to Brandon’s father. The search team know a little more about the situation than most. I am not talking about the 1000’s of volunteers that showed up to help search, god bless them, I am talking about proffessional search and rescue team. 

    Brandon’s gaming habbits were interfering in his social life, family life and school work. He was not eating properly, his entire life was solely arround COD4. When his Parents took this away from him he threatned to run away if they didn’t give it back.  Now what other reason is there? The entire issue with him running away was about the video game he was afixiated with.

    Wether he was trying to make it to a friends house, and died of exposure. or committed suicide. The main issue was his affixiation with COD4 that he felt the need to run away.

  212. JoshuaOrrizonte says:

    Not "mental"? Nice to know you’ve got a great opinion of mental illness.

    I love playing video games. I’m not addicted. My boyfriend loves watching football. He’s not addicted.

    There are CIRCUMSTANCES that cause addiction. They do NOT just appear because someone is a fan of something. If his whole life was that game, there was something wrong, internally or externally- who knows? But there was something wrong. In your post, you even SAY, "the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, DESPITE HARMFUL CONSEQUENCES TO THE INDIVIVDUAL’S HEALTH, MENTAL STATE OR SOCIAL LIFE."

    I’m asking you, from one human being to another, leave this site if this is that triggering for you. If all you’re going to do is try to force us to acknowledge that Brandon was AOK! and it was all the game’s fault- us, a bunch of strangers on the internet who DIDN’T know this kid- please go. As I said in my previous comment: I’m not going to bars and asking the patrons there to answer for my friend’s addiction to alcohol (that caused him to make choices that killed him). Why are you here, asking us to answer for Brandon’s addiction?

  213. Michael Chandra says:

    Looks like I’ll be breaking my promise not to make any more responses here.

    Let’s start with the least important part: There’s a difference between a study’s claims and what the numbers it has truly can support in claims. On top of that these numbers don’t have to be correct. You cut-and-paste links to studies, without knowing whether or not these studies are actually proper ones. A fine example has been in the GP news lately, a study which other experts immediately disagreed with due to mistakes it made from their perspective. Blind faith in studies will only serve to discredit one’s position. So will stating one’s position and then refusing to show any interest in the rebuttals.
    There’s also a difference between opinions and facts, and as much as people might believe their opinion to be fully correct, since it is an opinion anyone can disagree with it, and try to reason against it. For example, it is your opinion that there were no underlying reasons with Brandon. This may or may not be a fact, but it is an opinion for sure, just like it’s an opinion of some experts that most likely there were underlying reasons.

    Now for a more important part: I don’t claim video games had nothing to do with what happened to Brandon. However, I refuse to believe the claim they are the one and only cause. Many others have been arguing the same thing, stating a belief in that the addiction was more a symptom than a cause. So no, many of ‘us’ won’t "argue until the cows come home that Gaming had nothing to do with Brandon’s death." It is related to the trigger, and was at the very least a symptom, and I would never deny that much, I never did in the past either.

    And the most important part. You say "You are very mean people here. Cursing and swearing and calling me names. Didn’t see any of you so concerned that you joined the search."

    Let me start with telling I live in the Netherlands, and unfortunately I am a poor student. I cannot afford to fly over to Canada to help looking for a missing child, and even if I could, doing so only because it’s a gamer and games are said to be tied to the case would be a cruel thing for me to do, it would objectivy Brandon to "a gamer" rather than the individual he was. Why would I help look for Brandon and not in other, famous or infamous, cases of missing children? Who am I to decide which of thousands of searches over time I should spend my money, time and life on? I say this because even though you might believe otherwise, my concern was in no way tied to not joining the search.

    I notice you generalize a lot. You say "you are very mean people", you talk about ‘us’ calling you names. However, many of ‘us’ haven’t. Also, many of ‘us’ have tried to respond properly to your story, your claims, your knowledge and your opinion. In return you have demonized all of us, generalizing ‘us’, calling us all mean, accusing us of not caring enough to join the search. And you tell us you don’t WANT us to respond to you with reason, which would equal telling us not to respond to the claims you make about Brandon’s addiction, our addiction (you did ask us if we were able to cope, the tone you used seemed to suggest that we were in denial about suffering from addiction symptoms), addiction in general, the studies you talk about with blind copy-and-pasting.

    Now many people around here have done their best to show you as much respect as possible, or have gone back and changed the harsh words they used because they considered them unfit. I ask of you, would you please treat ‘us’ in the same way, and not let the way some individuals act cloud your judgement, acting as if all of us are your enemy, mean, even evil perhaps? The way you keep generalizing and accuse us all of the actions of specific individuals, gives an extremely hostile impression and one I am quite uncomfortable with. It troubles me nearly as much as the actions against you that cross lines for me I do not think should be crossed, because words I personally oppose are put down as ‘my’ words by you.

    PS: Please forgive me for not fully responding to your latest post, I am afraid that after you first asked us how we would cope with games being taken away from us, I would not be able to offer a neutral response on your frustration and claims about the "us being addicts" subject. But do note I do not think you are attacking gamers in general. In my opinion you do seem, however, to be attacking the GamePolitics responders in general, as I already spoke about 2 paragraphs above this one.

    Sincerely,
    Michael Chandra

  214. Austin_Lewis says:

    They serve it warm in most of the rest of the world, including Nigeria, the biggest importer of Guinness in the world.  Seriously.  I have a Nigerian friend, and one night at a bar he began singing a song, and the lyrics said something about ‘if your woman leaves you, at least your Guinness never will’.

    Vultures, my boy?  There will always be those willing to drag the dead through the mud for their agenda, be it Liz, that Yahweh woman (BTW, its spelled YHWH), or Jack Thompson.  The sad, sad truth I’m afraid.

    Let us have a pint of stout and a bit of Scotch, and fill for him the parting glass.

    Of all the money e’er I had, I spent it in good company;
    And all the harm I’ve ever done, alas was done to none but me;
    And all I’ve done for want of wit, to memory now I can’t recall,
    So fill me to the parting glass, goodnight and joy be with you all.

    Of all the comrades e’er I had, they’re sorry for my going away,
    And all the sweethearts e’er I had , they wish me one more day to stay,
    But since it falls unto my lot that I should go and you should not,
    I’ll gently rise and softly call, goodnight and joy be with you all.

  215. Loudspeaker says:

    Excellent post!  Very well said!  I applaud you good sir.

    "Volume helps to get a point across but sharp teeth are better."

  216. Cavalier says:

    This post just begs the question, in my mind: why do non-gamers come to this site to post this kind of drivel?  It’s like going onto a gay-rights forum to bash gay marriage.  It only guarantees an unproductive result.

  217. Solipsis says:

    As awful as it is to suggest "no foul play" could indicate a suicide too.

     

    Poor Brandon, whatever happened to him must have been terrible, no matter what the cause. I can’t imagine how his family must feel right now.

  218. ConnorM5 says:

    I respectfully disagree. While Guinness is my favorite, sometimes a good Bud Light is just what you need for, say, a cheeseburger. Drinking bread while eating bread puts me off. However, not-as-cold Guinness is something I might try. They serve it warm in Ireland, I think? Maybe a more authentic experience. You know, it’s a little depressing, this. We get to yammer on about beer while a kid is dead and vultures turn the whole thing to an argument for their crusade.

    I think I’m going to have a drink tonight in honor of the fallen. I didnt know him, and he may have done some stupid things, but nonetheless, a life has been lost. A Canadian beer or whiskey should do fine.

  219. Austin_Lewis says:

    Try just having a Guinness after leaving it out of the fridge for a half an hour or so.  Ease yourself into it.  Room temperature Guinness is delicious.  Now, I wouldn’t suggest it for American made beer, because our beer is terrible (for the most part).  But you can enjoy a nice stout beer, or maybe a good lager, even if it’s warm.

  220. Adamas Draconis says:

    After reading everything up to this point, all I can say is… UMMM Stout!

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  221. ConnorM5 says:

    I just cant do it. My mouth just… rejects it. I’ve tired, but it just doesnt work. However, I am pleased that the discussion is turning to beer. Beer is rather uplifting in such a sad topic as this.

  222. Austin_Lewis says:

    American beer does, in fact, need to be cold to be consumed, otherwise it will taste like piss.  However, Guinness tastes just as well cold or warm, and drinking it warm means I have more free space in my fridge.  Am I European?  Hell no.  I just don’t mind a warm pint of stout.

  223. ConnorM5 says:

    Reading all that, it was very well put. But I couldnt get over the ‘warm Guinness’ part. You, sir, are a sick man. Or you’re in Europe. In which case, warm brew is the norm, so…

    Really I just wanted to say ‘I like mine cold’. Though I could take the "higher route" as our friends Jack and Liz do and say ‘You are a sick, sick bastard of a man and what you do to beer is a crime against God and nature."

  224. ezbiker555 says:

    Fixing this up because denis is right, some of the comments, even mine are downright wrong but can be fixed to show our side.

    Ms. Liz. I don’t know the full story about your son, but I do know that you have been blaming video games for his death. Frankly, I’m going to take a gander and say that the blame you put on video games and video gamers, isn’t going to really help anyone. I know what its like to loose a loved one, I lost my grandfather in 2007 and to this day, i feel like someone is at fault. But I know for a fact and accept that things happen and blaming others can’t change what has happend nor does it help anyone. Its hard to accept things for what they are, but untill you stop blaming the games and see who really at fault, than its not going to make things better for anyone. So please, i know this must painfull to see and it angers you, we need to remeber, that there is a dead kid here and that parents have lost their loved one. Its true that I see fault with both Brandon and His parents. But it still a sad day. Your attack is not helping at all.

  225. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    "He is no longer under the control of that game and the people in it."

    The people IN the game? If you mean the people he may have spoken with on Xbox live, then you are sorely mistaken as to the game being to blame. For starters, he ran away from home when the game was taken away, it would have taken enormous co-incidence for some internet predator to arrange to meet him the day after that happened. Secondly, if he was lured from home by a predator, you can no more blame the xbox than you can a football if a child is lured away from a match, or the swings if a child is lured from the playground.

    "He left his family for the game."

    And went out into the woods where there is no game? Yeah, that makes sense.

    "And you bastards say his death has nothing to do with the game."

    His death had nothing to do with the game.

    "You people here have to have blinders on to say that gaming cannot be destructive to some people.  Oh, that’s right, your all defending your drug of chioce, so you can justify your own game playing."

    Of course it can be destructive to some people. Chocolate is destructive to others. Sex to other people. Some people find gambling, alcohol or drugs destructive, yet, most people can deal with these things in a normal manner. Don’t blame inanimate objects for an individual’s inability to deal with them.

    "If Brandon would not have been addicted to that GAME, he never would have left home and he would still be alive today.  If this was just another game and entertainment to him, he wouldn’t have been fighting with his parents about it."

    So what you are saying is "If he were a normal child"?

    "Just, as if my son had not started playing Everquest, he would still be alive today."

    Some wishful speculation on your part. Maybe if you had intervened like a parent should your son would still be alive.

    "No wonder people don’t like gamers."

    Who said no-one likes us? This is just a childish insult.

    "You are heartless and have no cares about others and what we have lived through because of these games."

    I have every sympathy for the loss suffered by you and this family. However, I do not believe and will not accept the blame laid on games for their deaths. Their deaths were caused by whatever problems they had, problems which included addiction as a symptom but were not recognised in time in this case and in your son’s.

    "Just cause you THINK you can handle your gaming doesn’t mean everyone can."

    Newsflash Liz, I CAN handle my gaming. Seeing as I have a son nearly a year old, I HAVE to handle my gaming. While it’s nice every now and again to kick back and have a big gaming session, I understand my responsibilities and take them VERY seriously. I have the time to write this because my son is asleep right now, but if I hear him wake on the baby monitor, I will be at his side in a second, regardless of what game I am playing, or anything else I am doing.

    As I said above, ANYTHING can be detrimental to the wrong kind of person. That is a fault with the person however.

    "I am so sick of all of you"

    Likewise lady. We don’t exactly appreciate being insulted and vilified by people like you who are closed minded and don’t even understand the issues at hand.

    "So why do I come here?  Maybe to just see that someone in this place will finally admit that excessive gaming can hurt people."

    Excessive ANYTHING can hurt people. If you eat too much you will become obese and suffer from a variety of health problems. Where is the outrage over food Liz?

    "I am ranting.  I am angry, so I guess you are getting it."

    I understand your anger and frustration at your loss, but I am sad to say that it is misguided. Hopefully venting your anger will help you calm down and look at what we are saying in a more rational manner.

    "I know nothing I say, will get any of you admit that games are not good for some people."

    Games are not good for some people. However, your fault is in failing to realise that it is not a problem with the games, but with those people.

    "Sorry, Dennis.  I just wanted the people reading this to know that not all people here thnik that the gaming companies  are innocent in this latest death."

    I’m sorry to tell you Liz, but the gaming companies are completely innocent. Just like a chocolate manufacturer or fast food restaurant is innocent if someone eats to much and dies of health problems. Just like the manufacturer of a steak-knife is innocent if one of their products is used by a murderer to kill someone. Just like a car manufacturer is innocent if a person causes an accident through speeding.

    It sounds like I’m being very hard on you in my responses, but it is for 2 reasons. First of all, there is no merit in blaming games, using them as a scapegoat has the negative effect of vilifying the innocent people who make them, and detracting attention from the underlying problems. Sure, a kid can play too much of a game, but what is making him do so?

    Secondly, I want to you to see why blaming the games is wrong for your own sake. Bearing this hatred for games and launching yourself on this misguided crusade will do no-one any good, and in the worst case may be harmful to your own mental wellbeing. I hope that some day you can accept what happened to your son, however painful that may be, and find peace.

  226. DCOW says:

    coming from you and what you’ve said before? stop spewing your crap.

     

    your completely ignoring any other factors beyond the games. and you say we have blinders on and that we are bastards? look again in the mirror elizabeth, you hypocrite. 

  227. Father Time says:

    Err just to point out that it wasn’t violent games that supposedly caused this it was game addiction. My parents took away the game controllers and only let me play an hour a day on weekends when I was young and I think parents should consider something like that if they’re worried their kids might get addicted.

    Welcome to the site. Although I’m confused about your genocide comment. Are you saying gamers will go on a genocide or be the victims of one? I don’t see either scenario as being very likely.

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  228. Father Time says:

    Pandralisk was banned a long time ago. He was an atheist nut (this coming from an atheist) who blamed religion for everything and we barely tolerated him as is. He never spoke for gp and I don’t remember anyone being upset when we booted him for abusing the comments system (walls of text, excessive flaming, off topic crap, that kind of stuff).

    So yeah we apologize for that shmuck.

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  229. Father Time says:

    and moderation.

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  230. Father Time says:

    How can you call jack a decent person when he was disbarred for multiple offenses. Here’s something taken from his disbarrment ruling:

    (1) respondent made false statements of material fact
    to courts and repeatedly violated a court order; (2) respondent communicated the
    subject of representation directly with clients of opposing counsel; (3) respondent
    engaged in prohibited ex parte communications; (4) respondent publicized and sent
    hundreds of pages of vitriolic and disparaging missives, letters, faxes, and press
    releases, to the affected individuals; (5) respondent targeted an individual who was
    not involved with respondent in any way, merely due to "the position [the
    individual] holds in state and national politics;"

    (7)
    respondent sent courts inappropriate and offensive sexual materials

    (9) respondent harassed the former
    client of an attorney in an effort to get the client to use its influence to persuade the
    attorney to withdraw a defamation suit filed by the attorney against respondent; and
    (10) respondent retaliated against attorneys who filed Bar complaints against him
    for his unethical conduct by asserting to their clients, government officials,
    politicians, the media, female lawyers in their law firm, employees, personal
    friends, acquaintances, and their wives, that the attorneys were criminal
    pornographers who objectify women.

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  231. Twin-Skies says:

    There’s a time for jokes like this, kosa, but I’m afraid this isn’t one of them.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  232. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    It’s unfortunate that you feel that way, Lizwool. And I must say, I’m truly offended by you’re statements about those who play videogames. I’m truly sorry for what happened to your son and Brandon Crisp, but that does not mean I have to agree with your warped opinions regarding videogames. And I should not be made to feel like some sort of vermin for voicing that disagreement,

  233. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    @gamadaya:

    Sorry, but don’t you think that comment is a little insensitive? And by a little, I mean very.

  234. mredria says:

    The thing that sickens me the most about situations like this and about the fearmongers out there is that in their haste to blame and condemn, they hurt the people who need the help the most. They hurt kids who are really sick, who have serious mental illness and need help. By saying "He just needs less video games" they help to ignore a deeper problem at work. Addicts are addicted because they are self medicating, not always because the object of their addiction is so enticing.

    I wish people would look at the real problems, and try to think up real solutions because right now they’re doing exactly what they accuse the video games(and once rock music, and once pulp comics, and once dancing and sex and drugs) of doing.

    They’re hurting kids.

     

    -I apologize-

  235. BearDogg-X says:

    ….but as far as Liz Wooley goes: Liz Wooley, you can go to hell. In fact, you and Jack Thompson will be teaming with the 9/11 hijackers in a hockey game against the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers whenever the lake of fire becomes frozen solid.

    Your post about this is downright offensive to anyone who has ever lost a loved one, whether foul play was involved or not. 

    Liz, your actions today speak volumes about the kind of person you truly are to use this tragedy to justify your own misguided personal vendetta. But then again, mentally molesting grieving families to promote your personal vendetta is your own sick idea of entertainment anyway, isn’t it, Liz? We all already know it’s also Jack’s. You’re nothing but a vulture, only difference is that both you and Jack prey on both the living and the dead.

    Since you brought your deceased son into your personal vendetta, I’m only going to ask this one thing about him: If he were still alive, how would he have explained to his children down the line that their grandmother wasn’t really this evil person that she unintentionally made herself out to be?

    Seriously, Liz, seek professional help. It’s painfully obvious that you desperately need it.

    If you want to talk about being "heartless" snd "having blinders on", then go look in the mirror to see a heartless person with blinders on, you female dog.

    While I may be sorry that you lost your son, I have no sympathy for you now. Everquest had nothing to do with your son’s death, just as Call of Duty 4 had nothing to do with Brandon Crisp’s death. Deal with it.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  236. Aliasalpha says:

    Whilst it’s always a bad idea to base an assessment of someone’s pre-tragedy personality on a post-tragedy statement (and double that when it’s over the internet), I think I’ve got a shrewd idea as to why Ms Wooley’s son committed suicide.

    I’ve known a few people who’ve grown up in oppressive environments and fortunately managed to escape them before they were completely overwhelmed and escaped the only way they could (to death) but in each and every case, a harping shrew of a parent (usually exessively religious but that’s just extremely common rather than a prerequisite) was either the catalyst or at least a major contributing factor of almost every psychological problem.

    If it wasn’t for the escape offered by Everquest, he probably would have killed himself much sooner.

  237. PHX Corp says:

    she’s not comming back, She went off the deep end after what she did. It shows you ignorance and immaturity in her, Just like the other wacko that mustn’t be named

  238. gamadaya says:

    What? No foul play? Wha…. How…. I’m really in shock at this kid’s stupidity. First he runs away from home because he can’t play games, and then he manages to die in rural Ontario? We got a Darwin award winner here people.

  239. hayabusa75 says:

    So the worst has indeed come to pass…I was truly hoping the kid would come out of this okay.  I can’t begin to imagine what his loved ones are going through.  What a comedy (term used loosely) of errors this whole mess has been.

    As for you, Liz Wooley, I highly suggest you get back in here and respond to some of the more thoughtful and coherent answers to your vitriolic post.  Otherwise, you will only prove yourself to be just as big a coward as you are a zealot.  Then again, considering the types of people you hold in esteem, perhaps I shouldn’t get my hopes up.

    "There is no sin except stupidity." – Oscar Wilde

  240. Titantim says:

    I 2nd that.  It just seems too over the top to even be a grieving mother.  I say check out the logged IP and match it to the location area.

    If it truly is here, then I hope that she can find peace some day without having to look for any affirmation as to who was at fault for a suicide.  The list is too long to narrow down.

     

  241. hellfire7885 says:

    Jack Thompson, decent? After he was found guilty on 27 charges of misconduct and disbarred?

    Well, giving that you seem to have the same sleective dyslexia as him, and, well ,based on the accounts of someone hwo has been thruhg your little "program", you kept him starved and when he tried to clal him family so he coudl go home you disconnected the phone. So I gues by your standards, yes, THompson is a pretty stand up person.

    And thanks for ignoring the posts that were offering best wishes to the family, and for calling us all bastards. Insults and asusming all gamers are male REALLY earns you points. It worked great for Thomspon…. oh, wait…

    Also, what people in the game? No one is "in" the game. People play it from all over the world, but the game’s AI isn’t snetient, meaning no one is in the game, just playing it.

    And I’m sorry for being harsh, and I am truly sorry for your the loss of your son, and again for the loss of the young man named in this article, but people like you need to take a dose of goddamend reality and grow the fuck up.

    The fact is that your son playign Everquest was not the cause, it was a symptom, and you did NOTHING, NOTHING to find what he had nor did you even try to help hi mas far as I saw.

    SO yes, you woudl see THompson as a decent human being, woudln’t you?

     

    Again, sorry for beign os harsh, even if you likely won’t read this.


  242. nightwng2000 says:

    I hadn’t looked in on the Facebook page for about a week now.  I was disgusted by all the psychic/medium nonsense and all the desire to not work with the online community that was as familiar with him as anyone might have been.  Any idea what was happening?

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  243. BearDogg-X says:

    IIRC, she claimed on GP’s LJ archives that they parted ways because she called Sony herself and he wanted her to have no contact with them.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  244. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    "Foul play" usually means the victim was murdered by a family member and they tried to cover it up or make it look like someone else did it.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  245. Austin_Lewis says:

    Miss Wooley, I have a question for you.

     Have you ever considered what the real cause of his suicide was? What was going on in his life? What was going on in his interactions with you, with his co-workers/co-students/peers? What was it that made him feel the only place he was in power, the only place he could succeed, was in a virtual world? Was it, just maybe, some way you made him feel like less of a success (I know my parents often tried to)? Was it some way that HE felt like less of a success, or that he was less in power? Oh no, don’t let the facts get in the way of your crusade.

    You, madame, are just as bad as Brad from exgamer.net, except I got to watch him lie first-hand. You use something like this, a tragic death that wasn’t caused by ‘gaming’ but by bad parenting, and use it to further your unsupported views.

    "You people have to have blinders on, etc etc etc generalized bullshit". Let me explain something to you: you will find someone addicted to everything. That doesn’t make it bad for everyone, it doesn’t make it bad for the majority of people, it just means that the people who are easily addicted probably shouldn’t do it.

    If Brandon’s dad hadn’t packed his bag for him, he probably wouldn’t have left home with as much ease. Of course, you ignore the fact that, if he was indeed ‘addicted’ to the game, he would’ve gone immediately to a friend’s house or somewhere else where he could feed his ‘addiction’.  He wouldn’t have gone hiking into the mountains.

    If your son hadn’t started playing Everquest, he’d probably still have ended his life.  Don’t blame the game just because you don’t want to look for the truth yourself.

    People don’t like gamers?  Wow, I must’ve missed that while I was flying my Cessna earlier.  I’m pretty sure that gamers are just as liked as any other group of people, probably more liked than some.  Of course, I’m just a sociologist, spending my time watching how groups interact, what do I know right?

    We THINK we can handle them?  Really?  I don’t see hundreds of people around the world dying because of games every year.   Interesting.  Maybe Lexis Nexus is broken, or mine just isn’t working, but I seem to miss out on those ‘addiction’ statistics.  Nevermind the fact that there is no actual operating definition of ADDICTION.  When do you define someone as an addict?  Is the person who goes to Church every week an ‘addict’?  How about me, when I have a pint every night while I read, am I an addict, or do I just enjoy a warm Guinness while I read?  Are we to go by some unscientific definition of addiction provided by Alcoholics Anonymous, an organization with such a low success rate they won’t publish it? (Penn and Teller found the rate to be about 5%, which is equal to the rate of success for people who tried to stop on their own).  Let’s look at the facts; a large portion of Americans are ‘gamers’, and there’s not an outbreak of ‘game addiction’, unless you ask ‘Dr’ Phil, who has no more right to call himself a doctor than Jack does to call himself an attorney.

    Liz, I suggest you take your nonsense and keep it to your own little group.  The rest of the world doesn’t tolerate unsubstantiated anecdotes as being representative of a larger problem, so keep it to the few who you can find to agree with you.

     

  246. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    There’s absolutely no fear for any residents of Oro-Medonte. This is a safe community.

    I personally think that last part is utter bullshite. No place is truly safe; anywhere you go, a psychotic granny could pop out from behind a Winnebago and tear your eyeballs out with a rusty curling iron….just as an example.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  247. PHX Corp says:

    The Crisp Family has gone through enough(Not speaking for them but, it’s time to drop the subject) it’s time to let it go for now we covered them for since october

  248. JC says:

    I feel sorry for the parents, as after so much time has passed this is usually the result…

    My condolences go out to them, and I hope they can move on with their lives at some point. I don’t know how they must feel right now except being in turmoil.

  249. Vortex says:

    after reading your hate speech (yeah, I call it that) I have never been so outraged.  I expected this from JT, but not from another massacre chaser like you!  From the way you’ve been behaving you’ve should’ve NEVER had a child in the first place if your just going to ignore common sense and start bashing everyone that disagrees with you!         

    Let’s see what you’ve just said:

    "And you bastards say his death has nothing to do with the game.  Same garbage."

    Hypocrisy at its worst

     

    "You people here have to have blinders on to say that gaming cannot be destructive to some people.  Oh, that’s right, your all defending your drug of chioce, so you can justify your own game playing."

    If anything, YOU’RE the one with the blinders on. Massacre chasing will always be a much worse drug than gaming!So why do I come here?  Maybe to just see that someone in this place will finally admit that excessive gaming can hurt people.

    "So why do I come here?  Maybe to just see that someone in this place will finally admit that excessive gaming can hurt people"

    No, just people with the common decency to ACTUALLY CARE about a dead child (unlike you with your son, don’t pretend you do)

    What would your son think about you now if he sees you trolling around like an extremist that you are?

    think about it.

     

  250. Erik says:

    Ma’am with all due respect, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

     

    Like any parent who would go through a situation such as this you are grasping at straws to find anything else to blame other than your child or, dare I say it, yourself.  And vultures such as Jack Thompson are right there to swoop in over the dead bodies and take advantage of the situation for his own financial gain.  Did you know your "decent person" Jack Thompson was rambling on about his same old bullshit on CNN about the Virginia Tech shooting before the bodies were cold or even before the name of the shooter was known.  If that is not a vulture I don’t know what is.

    Furthermore show just how the game removed his free will and forced him to leave him.  Oh thats right, it didn’t.  Brandon CHOSE to leave home and his father supported the idea.  The game never made that decision for him, as its incapable of.  You are nothing more than an enabler of this cancerous culture that wants to blame everything else for its ills.  And video games are nothing more than the latest chain that previously included moving pictures, comic books, and rock music.

    So I will say it again.  The games had nothing to do with his death.  If you can show evidence on how his free will could possibly be negated I’d be glad to hear it.  But until then I will blame people for the actions they choose to take.

     

    So I am calling you out, show how the gaming companies are responsible for his death.  Show where they forced him to leave home. 

     

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  251. Ghost Coins says:

    My condolences to the family.

    I would write something flowery and evocative of humanity transcending the digital world to reach an emotional middleground, but I have a feeling certain bodies would take that as a confession of guilt from the gaming community, so…it stays shelved. 

    Flip side of the coin, tossing a semi-relevant issue into the fray here; one of the initial articles posted about Brandon a fondness for outdoor survival shows.  Not saying they are at fault, but he might have overestimated his ability to survive in the environment.  This arguement sounds vaugely familiar, and if someone has posited earlier, my apologies for repeating it.

    To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful. Edward R. Murrow

  252. DeepThorn says:

    I don’t see the mother being charged, but I could see the father being charged with something, but that is for the local officals to decide.  I think the death of his child will be beyond torture for him and his wife, and another additional will just add to it.  If I was a court, I would require psychological treatment to help them through the moarning process, because this is going to strain their marriage and mental health.  Maybe even have the psychologist help them come to terms with what really caused the situation too.


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  253. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Thanks. Well, anyways, is too soon to say that it wasn´t murder if they don´t make an autopsy first.

    Our indication is, at this time, no foul play suspected, but of course we have to examine every possibility… There’s absolutely no fear for any residents of Oro-Medonte. This is a safe community.

    Why I don´t believe him?

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  254. DeepThorn says:

    Agreed.  People are using games as scapegoats.  It was more the father’s fault from the I heard of the story.  I would never let my child leave the house, especially to run away.  God knows what could happen, and this family had one of the worst things happen as a result.  Bad parenting lets kids get addicted, and they use a knee jerk reaction to try to solve the problem instead of looking for the best solution. 

    You wouldn’t let your child drink 24 cans of Mountain Dew a day, because it is not healthy for them.  So why would you let them play video games for the amount of hours many of these kids are.  (Especially ones that get on right after school, then go to bed late, and rack up a total of 8-10 hours of gaming a day, on a school day, as if 10 hours isn’t bad enough on a weekend day.  Maybe for the whole weekend, if the weather is really crappy, no family events, and nothing to do at all, but still I would figure something to do as a family if that was the case.)  It comes down to parenting, and parents need help figure out how to resolve their situation.  If it got so bad that you need to have a professional give you advice, do so.  It is your damn child, and you should get knocked upside the head for not seeking the best advice for helping them in situations like this.

    I fully support preventative measures, but too many people fail to do so.  I took preventative measures to not get addicted to gaming, and right now I haven’t touched any of my consoles for 2 weeks, 4 months ago, I hadn’t touched them for 8 months.  (It seems like a waste of money by not using them because of their cost, but I have other things to do in life.)  I only drink once every other month or less, and smoke only during special occasions. (and only cigars, and that is for marriages, babies being born, huge promotion, and not many others)

    I would say that EverQuest was the affect, but you can see a professional on what the affect of what.


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  255. Zerodash says:

    If he died of hypothermia, there is a chance the parents could be charged with involuntary murder or at least child endangerment- they allowed/encouraged him to leave the house.  I would imagine that they would be worried about such developments. 

  256. gamadaya says:

    I hate their way. I like to read the controversial comments. I usually get pissed when I can’t figure out exactly what was said that pissed everybody off.

  257. Kincyr says:

    I know nothing I say, will get any of you admit that games are not good for some people.

    we don’t admit to lies and speculation, and it’s clear that you won’t admit it to be impossible that Brandon Crisp could be addicted to Call of Duty 4 a year longer then it’s been out.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  258. PHOENIXZERO says:

    No, Liz Wooley’s not trying to find her son help and ignoring whatever underlying psychological issues he might have had is what killed him. His being “addicted” to Everquest was a symptom, not a cause. Of course, refusing to take any responsibility for ones own failings and passing the blame on an inanimate object is why she’s such a fan of Jack “play a suicide game and get good at it” Thompson.


  259. nightwng2000 says:

    An unfortunate turn of events.  Though, honestly, after this much time, it was really expected.

    I don’t have a map of any of the area.  But I know on the Facebook page, people were talking about a concern that he was lost in the "downtown" area, a rather nasty, but familiar place for teens to get lost in.  I’m assuming that since hunters found his body, that it was in a wooded, forest area and not "downtown"?

    With low temperatures, I suspect it will be difficult to obtain a timeframe of how long he’s been dead.  I also suspect the police will offer more details as to the condition of the area itself.  Was this an area he was holed up in?  Did it appear accidental (articles are saying it APPEARED no foul play)?  Did he appear to have been moved there?  Were there signs of others there?  Etc.

    If there is such a thing as a soul, I’m sure he can rest peacefully now.  Though, sad to bring it up, usually in situations like this, the last thoughts were probably in turmoil.  Regret.  Sadness.  Possibily seeking forgiveness as well as offering it.  Fear.  Perhaps even still some anger.

    I’ve already had my say elsewhere regarding the Parents.  No need to reash it here and now.

    Good luck Brandon.  I really hope you were/are at peace.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  260. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    I take it you are making fun of JT by being too obvious in your impersonation of the man himself.

    My verdict: YOU ARE FUNNY.

    ROFLCOPTER

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  261. ssoltero says:

    I blame video games entirely for the cause of death.

    I mean, seriously!

    If this kid had never played a video game, his mom wouldn’t have had to take them away, and he never would have left home and ended up dead. It’s so obvious that video games were a direct cause of death in this instance.

    I would like to take this time to start a lobby for banning ALL video games EVERYWHERE!

    Such senseless death should never occur and it never will again once we do away with video games on the whole.

    Oh ya;

    The Bible is the law of life.

    Darwinism is an abomination.

    Children have no individiual thoughts other that what they are programmed with.

    God bless you all.

  262. nightwng2000 says:

    Liz’s son, Shawn, committed suicide.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shawn_Woolley

    (As is pointed out in the discussion part of the article, the article appears to be a bias piece written by Liz, in violation of Wikipedia’s neutrality codes.  It certainly reads like it were ripped from the likes of Conservapedia.)

    And this is her organization website:

    http://www.olganon.org/

    I visted their forums some time ago.  It read like the typical bigotted power site.  The only solution is religious salvation.  If you’re not of their religious beliefs, you’re an evil person.  So on, and so forth.

    As to John Bruce and Liz, Liz has previously stated that she and John Bruce had dealings but from the sounds of it at the time, there was a parting of the ways.  Though she seems to have been mentally infected with his immorality and seems to want to make nice with him now.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  263. PHX Corp says:

    I know That excessive gaming can hurt people but you need to mantain Moderation in everything, even in exercise, games and even the computer

  264. gamepolitics says:

    I’m assuming that the police will release that info once the autopsy is complete.

    I’d probably have a different theory, but will wait to see.


  265. PHX Corp says:

    I’ll notify you guys in a seperate post about the cause of death.

    I think it’s hypothermia. but that’s my guess

  266. NovaBlack says:

    ”He is no longer under the control of that game and the people in it. He left his family for the game. He replaced his family with the people in the game. ”

     

    dont mean to be rude.. but you really have no first hand knowledge of what went on in brandon’s situation so you cant really make claims like that. You dont know any more than me or anybody else.

     

    "Maybe to just see that someone in this place will finally admit that excessive gaming can hurt people."

    I will 100% admit that excessive gaming can hurt people. As soon as you say ‘excessive’, you are qualifying the habit as one that is taken part in to the point where it is too much. Its a loaded statement, so why do you expect a response to something you’ve answered already?

    The point is  not everybody that games, game ‘excessively’  (in fact that vast majority of people). They maintain a healthy balance between everything in their life (work , relationships, friends etc).  I dont understand your statement when you say :

    ” Just cause you THINK you can handle your gaming doesn’t mean everyone can ”

    Again.. you know NOTHING about my life so how can you factually make a statement as to what happens in it? Im not saying that defensively, i just genuinely dont understand how you apparently know that i have a gaming problem thats detrimental to my life, that i cant handle. In actual fact, I currently game for a just a handful of hours, and only on one day a month. I have a lot on right now in terms of my final year at university, and immediately i have prioritised, putting my work first. I dont find it in any way difficult.

    The ironic thing is You actually aknowledge that not all people react the same, and just because one person can handle their gaming, doesnt mean everyone can.  Surely you have just pointed out that the changing variable between situations is the person themselves. Some people cannot game, drink, smoke, watch tv, read books / magazines/ eat  or whatever the hobby may be, with an acceptable level  of control. Thats down to the person, not the substance/hobby/object.  I dont mean to attack you or your beliefs, but i simply cannot say nothing, when you argue in the same breath that all gamers are addicts, who only ‘think’ they can handle their ‘addiction’, and also say that people are different and some people can handle things others cannot. Its paradoxical.

  267. DarthCadeous501 says:

    Well this is rather unfourtunate. My heart goes out to the family of Brandon, but unfourtunatly its far from over. As we have blantly seen from Lizwool, people are going to blame games for the demise of this boy. They call us sad and sick? Let me be blunt. Gmaes did NOT kill this kid. The game did not physically tell this kid to argue with his parents, run away from home, and strike him when he was alone. A game can’t do that. Liz if you want to keep blaming games for the deaths of your son and others, do us a favor and think about what your doing. Is that what your child would want, to see their grown parents waving their fingers at some specter that isn’t there? I wouldn’t.

     

     

     

     

    DarthCadeous501- Pink Halo 3 Ninja, Mongoose Suicidee, and Current Iron Man Hater

  268. DavCube says:

    Are you actually saying that the person who killed your son should walk because your son played a video game? Think of OTHER people’s children, ma’am.

    Oh wait, you probably don’t even know who the hell Jack Thompson is, as you shouldn’t, since he’s never been relevent at all.

  269. nightwng2000 says:

    What do I get from your post?

    That you are sick, obscene, bigoted, dishonorable, unethical, immoral, piece of guttertrash who, like John Bruce "Jack" Thompson, uses the tragedies of others to push your lies, deceit, misinformation of an agenda on others.

    Consider your perverted, obscent, guttertrash face spit upon and that obscene, perverted, immoral religious text that you shove in people’s faces that is interpreted to represent the world according to the abusive, immoral, obscene, perverted lizwool to have been set ablaze in a purifying fire to free it of your immorality and obscenity.

    You are free to speak your bigotry, lies, and deceit all you want.  Rest assured, I will speak how you use the tragedies of others, like Brandon, to push your immorality on others.

    You truly are obscene, perverted, immoral, and incompetant as a Parent, proven by your OWN words as actions.  Nothing you say from this point will ever change that view.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  270. Arcanagos says:

    I agree, it’s time for parents to wake up and start… y’know… PARENTING, instead of relying on media and the government to do so.

  271. Arcanagos says:

    (long time lurker first time poster)

    I’m a gamer, I’ve been following this story here since day one, I’ve hoped that the kid would be found alive since day one, but I don’t think for a second that games were the sole cause of this tragedy, does that make me a bad person?

    I know you’ll probably ignore this post, but I’ll post a fact or two as to why I believe this, just for fun.

    1. The kid never logged onto his xbox account after he disappeared, if he left because of his so-called "addiction", why wouldn’t he go to a friend’s house so he could "feed his addiction" so to speak, with more of these "evil" games?

    2.  The father HELPED THE KID PACK!  He didn’t even try to keep the kid from running away!  The blame lies more with the father than anything else. In other words: the two words you seem so oblivious to: "bad parenting"

    3.  It’s true that the game being taken away might have been the last straw for this poor kid, but if he was truly "addicted" to the point where he couldn’t physically stop playing the game, as you and your pal JT say, he would have gone to a friend’s house, not the middle of the woods.

    In conclusion, you, Lizwool (not exactly sure what your full name is, apologies for that), are just as bad as everyone’s favorite disbarred lawyer, trying to blame all of society’s ills on video games, completely ignoring the possibility of personal responsibility, and trying to suppress the first amendment while you’re at it.

  272. PHX Corp says:

    I’m just saying that Parents need to be more involved in thier children’s lives, after what happened. I didn’t mean to troll

    And I suffered the same amount of torture as you guys by King Douchebag(a name i thought up for the MMoM). but Pandirisk and two post’s about the catholic church being condemmed by gamepolitics Members, just plain got on my nerves. I’m sorry for that

  273. grey_poet says:

    Who are you?  Slow down and punctuate.  If a parent needs a wakeup call to be involved in the entertainment their kids are exposed to then they are bad parents and asleep at the wheel.  This isn’t a wake up call.  This is a tragedy that may or may not have a connection to gaming.

    And what "unacceptable grief and torture" have you suffered?  Our Fine Friend has called me names and questioned my sanity, but really.  Drama much?  This is the internet, you should look up Jonathan Gabriel’s theory on internet interactions.

  274. VideolandHero says:

    Violent videos games didn’t get him killed.  Now leave this site and get some common sense.

    — Official Protector of Videoland!

  275. jkdjr25 says:

    With all due respect ma’am you don’t know us.

    While there are indeed people who made comments here that were, in my opinion, a tad beyond the pale that doesn’t mean we all feel that way. The vast majority of us here have long advocated that all things must come in moderation and parents MUST be involved on every level of their child’s development. It is impossible for a game to kill someone because a game is just an inanimate object. It has no will of its own and cannot act out on its own.

    The sad truth is that Brandon ran away from home and was enabled to do so by his father. A father who packed his son’s bag for him, yet this little fact is conveniently ignored in order to get more ratings or sell more papers. We’ve lost one of our own and the tragedy is compounded by those who would attempt to use his death to foster a political agenda.

    You obviously believe that Everquest killed your son. Nothing anyone here can say will ever be able to convince you otherwise. You see though there are usually reasons that people become that involved in something. Usually it’s because of lonliness or some other problem that they keep to themselves. They play games because the worlds they can explore there are so much better than what we see everyday. As stated before there are always those who take it too far, but you can hardly blame the whole for the actions of a few.

    Maybe you’ll consider what I and others have said and maybe you won’t, ulitmately the choice is yours.

  276. grey_poet says:

    Ms. Lizwool,

    You have suffered a terrible loss, the kind of loss that I, as a father myself, care not to contemplate.  In this you have my deepest sympathies. 

    However, in your grief, you have latched on to a scapegoat, a straw man, an inanimate target for your grief, and this has blinded you to fact and reality.  Please, get some help.  Talk to a therapist who specializes on dealing with the loss of a child.  Your anger is misdirected and not healthy for you. 

    We don’t know why Brandon is dead, we may never know since it isn’t our business and it is possible the authorities may never release that information.  Blaming games is silly.  Games didn’t kill Brandon.  It might have been exposure, it might have been a stranger, it might have been foul play.  We don’t know and it is pointless for us to speculate.  Teenagers can be very hard to deal with and often have tenuous relationships with their parents.  Things are said in the heat of the moment and get out of hand.  There is entirely too little information in this case for any of us to be jumping to conclusions.  And your accuastions are nothing more than pure speculation.

    I am not sick.  I am a gamer, a gaming advocate and a father.  My children game and I exercise my parental control over their gaming in the same way I do all their activites.  I argue with my children like any parent.  We have good times and bad times.  I’m sorry Ms. Lizwool, but it is you who are sick.  Sick with grief and hurting.  And I wish I could help, but I can’t.

    Grey

  277. wiregr says:

    Did the videogame pack his bags for him when he was going to leave? Did the videogame end his life? Of course not. He chose to leave because he had an altercation with his parents and met with unfortunate circumstances. I had fights with my parents as a child too (including ones in which I was grounded from video games). Did I run away? Of course not. I realized that no matter how enjoyable, it was a video game and nothing more. Just because he left when his parents tried to discipline him does not mean the game is responsible. More than likely he wanted to teach his parents a lesson and met with foul play. Regrettable, but hardly the fault of video gamers.

    He likely would have left had the parents attempted to try and discipline him by restricting any activity which he was engrossed in, whether video games, TV, reading, or any other hobby of his. Gaming just happened to be the activity he enjoyed most. Would you have blamed television networks had he left for having his television privileges revoked? I doubt it.

    There have been many comments made in this post in what I feel to be poor taste, but such is life. People are allowed to voice their opinions no matter how distasteful others may find them. However, blaming an entire group for the actions of a few are simply ignorant. And blaming an activity simply because certain people lack self-control is equally ignorant. Believe it or not, there is a thing called personal responsibility. Should you be too young to exercise this, it becomes the responsibility of the parents to monitor their own children.

  278. MaskedPixelante says:

    I also hope that someone gives you the Steve Wilkos treatment.

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  279. Neeneko says:

    Ah, professional trolls.

    I find you a disgusting individual who looks to take her personal pain out on other people.

    If you are so sick of gamers, then go away.  We are sick of you and those who came before you.  But keep your crack pot theories and blame to yourself, or better yet, look inward.

    You will fade, another will take your place, and ultimatly you will be mocked then forgotten in the culture wars as a new generation grows up and realizes how pathedic you were.  Over and over.

  280. PHX Corp says:

    This serves as a wakeup call to everyone including parents that they should parent more better Videogames should be a reward for after homework is done and keep the Violent Videogames away from your Children(If you brought them for yourself) This abuse that Ive gotten from everyone (Not Just JT but Liz wooley and the Rest of GP members for 3 yrs reading what is going on GP) is Unacceptable grief and torture that I have to worry about the possibilty of gamer genocide by killer Non-gamers

  281. Zerodash says:

    Below is the aformentioned letter by Jack to the friends and family of a gamer who committed suicide a few years back.  This is how your "decent" person (do you even know what he did to get disbarred?) feels about dead gamers:

    "Your ‘gamer friend’ will find peace through the Lord, Jesus Christ, but sadly it’s too late for that.
    There is a void in every heart. You can fill it up with the things of God, or the things not of God. This unfortunate soul chose to fill it up with combat games. The playing of these video games is masturbatory activity, meaning senseless self-stimulation. If you gamers could use a dictionary you would know that that term is not necessarily a sexual one.


    The real tragedy here extends beyond the life and death of this one fellow. There are literally millions of young people and young adults whose despair is deepend by turning to the things of this world and then finding them meaningless.


    All of you gamers need to put down the controllers and get a life. The utter inanity of the vast majority of postings here shows how vapid "gaming" really is.


    You are one of the cheerleaders for this wasting of time and the wasting of lives. Do you feel any remorse for having contributed to this ‘culture of death?’ Of course not. Hey, let’s all play MORE games, and ignore all the really productive things to do with our lives.


    Let’s pretend to be shocked that a gamer might descend into deeper depression, as his gamer ‘buds,’ knowing he was killing himself, couldn’t figure out how to call 911 themselves for him. That would have involved leaving their computers I guess.


    Sad. Sad for all of you."

  282. Mr.Pat says:

    Oh yes, by all means call everyone who doesn’t unconditionally agree with you bastards wearing blinders. This does nothing but give me the right to tell you that you are nothing but a bitter old hag who has to find blame in everyone and everything else but the people who actually caused everything to happen.

    I’m going to paraphrase your hero Jack when I say regarding your son and this kid. "A statistic of one doesn’t matter" What happened to them is sad, but to take any and all blame away from their own actions is beyond stupid.

    But by all means keep on believing that all video games are evil and anyone who plays them are depraved individuals, it just shows what a hateful harpy you’ve become.

  283. sqlrob says:

    I hope Jack reads this.  He is one of the few decent people here.

    So you approve of making hardcore gay porn available to children then, as the decent person himself did then?

     

  284. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Who are we talking about?

    EDIT: Oh, wait.

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  285. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Damn you!

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  286. Zerodash says:

    A Videogame did not kill your family member.  A murderer did.  Put things into perspective.  Unless he died of withdrawl, you’re wrong. 

    As for Jack being a decent person, I take it you never read the letter he wrote to the friends and family of a gamer who comitted suicide.  Mr Thompson was gloating over his death.  I can provide you with a full text if you want. 

    By the way.  What did the family do to help this kid’s addiction?  Letting a child leave the house to go wander about is hardly therapudic for an addict.

     

    When the killer is caught, will you blame him or the game?   If its a game’s fault, then the killer needs to run free, doesn’t he?

  287. MaskedPixelante says:

    Can we get a confirmation if that’s really… not saying her name

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  288. lizwool says:

    I thought I would stop in to see what you all were saying here about Brandon, may he rest in peace.  He is no longer under the control of that game and the people in it.  He left his family for the game.  He replaced his family with the people in the game.  As family members, that does not feel very good.  The game became more important to him than even his own life.  He could not live with out it.  My grief for Brandon and his family is overwhelming.

    And you bastards say his death has nothing to do with the game.  Same garbage. 

    You people here have to have blinders on to say that gaming cannot be destructive to some people.  Oh, that’s right, your all defending your drug of chioce, so you can justify your own game playing.

    If Brandon would not have been addicted to that GAME, he never would have left home and he would still be alive today.  If this was just another game and entertainment to him, he wouldn’t have been fighting with his parents about it.

    Just, as if my son had not started playing Everquest, he would still be alive today.

    You people are such a bunch of jerks.  No wonder people don’t like gamers.  You are heartless and have no cares about others and what we have lived through because of these games.

    Just cause you THINK you can handle your gaming doesn’t mean everyone can. 

    I am so sick of all of you

    So why do I come here?  Maybe to just see that someone in this place will finally admit that excessive gaming can hurt people.

    You are so sick!

    I am ranting.  I am angry, so I guess you are getting it.

    I know nothing I say, will get any of you admit that games are not good for some people.

    I needed to let everyone who may read this, that I agree with what Brandon’s parents say.  They know him more than any of you do.

    I hope Jack reads this.  He is one of the few decent people here.

    Sorry, Dennis.  I just wanted the people reading this to know that not all people here thnik that the gaming companies  are innocent in this latest death.

    lizwool

  289. Aliasalpha says:

    Damn, poor kid. At least everyone gave it their best to find him and it really was pretty unlikely he’d be alive after this long.

  290. MartyB says:

     I’m wonderring why no one is blaming the killer?

    ok- true thats its not confirmed yet,

    but blaming the parent’s…  not sure they could of seen this comming for taking the Xbox away.

    blaming the xbox is like blaming the candy when kids gets lured into a van with it.

    so depending on when/how he died, I think its either the murderer’s fault, or the kid’s own fault for running away crying about the xbox…. he was what 15?  he should of known better.

  291. transformergirl says:

    How awful…though I admit the possiblity of Brandon being dead crossed my mind after being missing for more than a week, though I held out hope.

     

  292. gamepolitics says:

    Liz, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, and I realize this news may be rekindling difficult emotions in you.

    To be fair, however, we don’t even know the cause of death at this point.

    Beyond that, blanket condemnations on either side of the issue are pretty unproductive, don’t you think?

     


  293. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    To this Yawheh character (you talked about your husband, so I’m going to assume you are a woman)-

    Why do you assume everyone on here is an addict? Hell, I just started playing games again about a week ago. I beat my games pretty fast, and get bored quickly, so unless there is a massive wave of new games, I tend to play a game and then take a month or two off, with the ocassional 20-30 minute speed session when I have nothing else to do.

    Game addiction, sex addiction, food addiction, gambling addiction, etc. are, as stated in previous posts, symptoms more than causes. People become addicted to these things because they have a void in their lives. If Brandon was genuinely addicted (I really don’t know), that would mean something else was troubling him and causing him to seek comfort from virtual entertainment. You could take away his games, but that wouldn’t mean anything unless something was done about the underlying problem. He would either relapse or find a new addiction.

    And finally, I’d like to add that there is a difference between addiction and a lack of discipline. Some people are just lazy jerks, some people can’t manage time worth a damn etc. We’ll wait for follow up before we start with the judgements and condemnations.

     

    -Remember kids, personal responsibility is for losers!

     

  294. DeepThorn says:

    Yeah, we over react.  I’ll admit.  We don’t expect that people from outside the gaming community come to these sites as well, and sometimes when people act like they are from outside, it is actually a troll just trying to get a reaction from the people.

    Games are continually attacked, and by people who have never played video games.  People who have never experienced the gaming world at all, and they draw assumptions that are just not true.  It is like having someone who grew up in a monastery and never see anything in the outside world or any type of technology at all really, then they are exposed to it and say it is all evil.  At the same time the people in the normal world would say he is weird, stupid, and say most of what he says is invalid because of not living in the same conditions.

    We really shouldn’t judge each other like that at all, but when we are being attacked (IE: gamers) or offended (IE: you), everything ends up going sour.  It pushes away logical debate and constructive communications.  I think we can all agree that game addition is real, but to the extent that the addition goes it on high debate, even in scientific communities.  I believe that if someone is addicted to games, it is never about the games.  When I went through a phase, it was because of depression.  There was someone I was about to propose to, and she cheated on me.   All I really wanted was an escape from all of that, and I had no other escape.  Even today I am not fully over it, but I turned all of that into productivity.  I escape into my work, which isn’t good either, but for now it works.

    The whole situation with Brandon is already a no win situation.  If he was harmed in any way from the start, it was a no win really.  No one wanted anything bad to happen to Brandon.  Most of us were hoping he was hiding out at a friend’s house, even a friend from further away.  No one wants to see a child pass away.  It is one of the worst things that happen in this world, and any parent would give their life to save their childs.  I think all of us would do a great deal if there was a way for us to make things different, some of us would even put our lives on the line to change this situation.

    Almost everyone here knew from the start that things didn’t add up right with the theory that he met someone online.  If the games were abruptly taken away, then he would most likely have no contact information of anyone, and from the story, it sounded like he had no way of contacting anyone from when the games were taken away to when he left.

    I think we all feared and expected the worst, and were hoping for the best.


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  295. Michael Chandra says:

    It’s not really nice of me to say, but 350 posts without Jack Thompson, and his name only being involved indirectly due to another upset individual, there goes his credit for all high comment counts around here.

    As for Brandon, let’s call him by his name instead of "the kid" people, it’s the least we can do for him, I’m sorry to hear he is dead. Truth be told I feared as much but I hoped for him and his parents that my suspiciousness would turn out to be incorrect. May he rest in peace, and may his parents be left alone by all the cold-hearted who will try to use him as a tool, an argument, a case to support their claims even if no credibility is present, who will treat him as indeed "that kid", an object, rather than show respect for that he had a name, a family, who should be left alone.

    As for games, let’s face it, people get addicted. People get arguments with their parents, some walk away from home. The trigger may only hide the real cause, and there’s so many situations where other triggers were present that you can’t just blame video games themselves for this. If not games, it could have been something different, maybe hanging with a gang, music, something else.

    Let’s hope also that the parents will be able to cope with their grief, rather than and I will borrow some terms from the first post of mr(?) grey_poet here, latch onto a scapegoat and only hurt themselves and others more in the end.

    Sincerely,
    Michael Chandra

  296. JoshuaOrrizonte says:

    "I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week, or one mone, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day."

    Been there, done that, resumed playing video games when my schedule allowed it (about three months).

    Look, no one’s trying to deny that video game addiction is serious. In fact, several people in this article’s comments have said as much. And I don’t see many people denying that Brandon’s addiction wasn’t powerful enough that it probably clouded his mind enough that he did this.

    But take a look at that sentence again: he did this.

    I didn’t know Brandon, but I have no doubt that he was not a mindless child, incapable of thinking for himself. He chose to play a game that was rated for a group of people outside his age range. He chose to reject the help that was being offered to him. He chose to run away.

    These were his choices, addiction or no.

    Let me tell you something; I’ve lost someone I loved dearly to an addiction. Alcohol. He’d blast through a 24-pack a night after skimming alcohol from his job as a bartender all day. I’m not kidding. If the man was sober, he was asleep.

    His liver shut down. He kept drinking.

    His kidneys shut down. He kept drinking.

    He was told that if he didn’t get transplants, he would die. In order to get those transplants, he needed to stop drinking.

    He kept drinking until the very damn day he was rushed to the hospital because it was obvious he was dying.

    Did his addiction to alcohol contribute to his death? ABSOLUTELY. I personally think alcohol is a horrible, despicable thing and hate it with every fiber of my being. But I’m not about to go to a wine tasting or a bar and try to make the people there answer for my friend’s death because they’re able to engage in a recreational activity with no problem, but my friend was not.

    My friend chose the path that killed him. It was his choice.

    Apologies if this comes up twice. I’m not sure what’s going on here.

  297. JoshuaOrrizonte says:

    "I challenge all of you gamers to stop playing for one week, or one mone, and see how you cope. Bet you wouldn’t last a day."

    Been there, done that, resumed playing video games when my schedule allowed it (about three months).

    Look, no one’s trying to deny that video game addiction is serious. In fact, several people in this article’s comments have said as much. And I don’t see many people denying that Brandon’s addiction wasn’t powerful enough that it probably clouded his mind enough that he did this.

    But take a look at that sentence again: he did this.

    I didn’t know Brandon, but I have no doubt that he was not a mindless child, incapable of thinking for himself. He chose to play a game that was rated for a group of people outside his age range. He chose to reject the help that was being offered to him. He chose to run away.

    These were his choices, addiction or no.

    Let me tell you something; I’ve lost someone I loved dearly to an addiction. Alcohol. He’d blast through a 24-pack a night after skimming alcohol from his job as a bartender all day. I’m not kidding. If the man was sober, he was asleep.

    His liver shut down. He kept drinking.

    His kidneys shut down. He kept drinking.

    He was told that if he didn’t get transplants, he would die. In order to get those transplants, he needed to stop drinking.

    He kept drinking until the very damn day he was rushed to the hospital because it was obvious he was dying.

    Did his addiction to alcohol contribute to his death? ABSOLUTELY. I personally think alcohol is a horrible, despicable thing and hate it with every fiber of my being. But I’m not about to go to a wine tasting or a bar and try to make the people there answer for my friend’s death because they’re able to engage in a recreational activity with no problem, but my friend was not.

    My friend chose the path that killed him. It was his choice.

  298. Ashton says:

    I’m not generalizing. I’m talking about the people who were guilty of what I said. I spologize if I wasn’t clear on that, but some of the people here honestly disgust me.

  299. Neeneko says:

    I am going to take a differnt stance here.

    I disagree with the whole ‘XYZ is hurting, so let them hurt people!’ concept.  This applies both to gamers being jerks because they are hurt, AND ot hte parents who are being jerks beacuse they are hurting.

    Being in pain is not, and should never be, a free ticket to inflict pain on others.  One of the reasons the parents are getting so much flack is the perception that they are hiding behind this defense.  "We are allowed to say insulting things to a whole group of people, my child is missing!’

    Compare this to the older ‘my kid is missing, it must have been one of those dirty black/hispanic/jewish people!’ that is no longer considered acceptable.  If you try THAT you will get grilled by various defamation leauges.  Unfortunatly gamers are not nearly as well organized so they defend themselves against explitive like this poorly.

  300. Neeneko says:

    Well yes, this is a site related to games, politics, public perception, etc,.. and here we have a story that, in the context of the site, is about parents and media scapegoating games.  Notice GP doesn’t post every single child disappearnce that happens? The kid is not really the story.

  301. Erik says:

    So just what made you think that the people here would cling to a scapegoat like you hoped?

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  302. Trencher says:

    Your looking for a scapegoat… and the biggest one you had fell flat. The father could of taken any number of things away from him and you could get the same outcome. Kids are kids, being a father of an 11 year I know that sometimes hard to balance letting him get away with things and knowing when to take things away. If my son decided to run away I wouldnt let him out the door, i’d take control of the situation and lock him in his room to cool off, then come to a COMPRIMISE with him regarding his game playing. Thats the biggest thing thats missing from this story, not one did his parents decide to comprimise… even at the point where he was walking out the door not once did they try to sit down and come to a solution to the problem. They figured they’d stick to their guns and look where it got them. If Brandon took his own life it wasnt over his videogames it was most likely out of fear of coming home after everything that had happened. I remember being 15 and being in trouble.. the last thing I’d want to do is find out what my consiquenses would be for running away. He was 15, scared, and his parents didnt seem to do the one key thing that would of fixed this.. talk to him… instead they pushed him out the door expecting hi to come home with his tails between his legs… well im sorry to say, that didnt happen.

     

  303. Twin-Skies says:

    Ma’m, when your hobby and community is accused of things it is not responsible for, and has been unfairly used as a scapegoat by politicians, nitwitted pundits, the religious right, and sensationalist media as a cause for all the world’s social ill, you can’t help but be especially sensitive to finger-pointing.

    As I’ve said earlier, we will have to wait and see as to what the cause of death for Brandon is. There is nothing worse right now than to draw baseless conclusions. And honestly, what the hell does D&D have to do with this case?

    Please send my thanks to your husband for the good work he does.

     

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  304. Yawheh says:

    Oh And by the way, I originally came to this site a week ago looking for clues that might offer some insight to Brandon’s diapperance. I thought there might be people here that were actually sensitive to the situation, but found that most of you are more interested in defending gaming, whether or not it contributed to Brandon’s death. And yes I believe now that Brandon has taken his own life. It is not confirmed, but this is what I believe.

  305. zel says:

    Guess i’m not the only one thinking the same thing. Ya, I can’t put my finger on it but something about the posts feel odd.

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  306. Twin-Skies says:

    Okay, this is getting wierd. Yahweh and lizwool have posted peculiarly similar posts regarding this matter. Am I the only one who thinks something’s fishy about their retorts?

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  307. Zerodash says:

    You scapegoat-mongering fools really have killed alot of goodwill that otherwise should have gone the way of the family and their community.  People like you make it harder and harder to even care about your tragedy.  Clearly you people are more interested in finding someone to sue for big $$ (good luck with that, BTW) than actually mourning.

  308. gamepolitics says:

    I’m glad to hear from someone in Brandon’s community, and thank you for taking the time to post.

    Actually, there have been media reports that Brandon’s parents helped pack the bag, but that’s not a major point. He left, they never expected it to turn out this way. Who could have?

    What is frustrating to the gamer community is that games were blamed from day one. I don’t blame the parents, who were completely distraught. They get a pass on anything they said from me. But the media was so quick to run with this. We’ve seen games attacked over and over again, so gamers are sensitive to the issue.

    But 99.9% of us are also sensitive to Brandon’s tragic end and to what his family and community are suffering.

    As to game addiction, I’m no expert. But, a couple of things here. Brandon was apparently never treated for that. Don’t know if he was treated for any underlying issues such as depression, ect. But people who excessively escape into games – or jogging or TV or sex or drugs or alcohol or etc. – generally have underlying issues.

    That said, the term "game addiction" is loosely thrown around. We’ve only got the info from Brandon’s parents, which is anecdotal, not a professional diagnosis. Moreover, "addiction" implies that other aspects of one’s life are breaking down. Wasn’t Brandon a pretty good student? I recall reading that his parents said he had begun stealing money, but I’m having a hard time relating that behavior to game addiction.

    As to the disappearance, I suspected suicide very early on. I know that I am not alone in that view. Given the location, though, I am now wondering if Brandon became immobilized somehow. I assume that we will find out soon when the autopsy is released.

    Really, though, I fear Brandon’s case will turn out to be a no-win situation for the gaming community. For three weeks, much noise was made in the media about a supposed Xbox predator taking Brandon. It’s pretty clear now that nothing like that happened. And now it seems like this "game addiction" will be blamed for him running off. The thingis, kids have been fighting with their parents since forever over any number of things: music, curfew, clothes, haircuts, respect, grades, friends, etc. But this fight was over video games, so I suspect that games will be forever blamed for Brandon’s sad case.

    At any rate, thanks again for interacting with us. Don’t be put off by the few trolls. I’m disgusted and embarrassed by a few of the comments that were made in this thread myself. I’ve deleted some of the worst ones (although in one case I left the comment up because other GP readers did such a great job of dealing with it and I wanted the world to see that).

     


  309. Kincyr says:

    If you continue to ignore the truth about gaming addiction then I am afraid that our youth are in very serious trouble.

    and yet you seem to ignore the fact that the kid’s dad said he was addicted to Call of Duty 4 for 18 months despite it being released last November.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  310. Twin-Skies says:

    With all due respect, jumping to conclusions as to this addiction killing him is not going to help the investigation any.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  311. Father Time says:

    I’ve never seen cocaine addicts defend their habit only marijuana and heroin users but I digress.

    Video games are not a drug, they only way you get addicted is if you have an addictive personality.

    My Dad used to be addicted to online chess.

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  312. Twin-Skies says:

    I’d prefer to make my conclusions AFTER a proper and thorough investigation, thank you.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  313. Yawheh says:

     Come on People what is wrong with you. Do you not know the meaning of addiction.

    The term "addiction" is used in many contexts to describe an obsession, compulsion, or excessive physical dependence or psychological dependence, such as: drug addiction, alcoholism, crime, compulsive overeating, problem gambling, computer addiction, etc

    You people really have your heads burried in the sand. You are just as bad as the Cocaine Addicts defending their habbit. Brandon had an addiction with gaming. That is factual. His Parents were trying to help him, not hurt him or punish him.  His father did not pack his bag, or tell him to leave. Brandon ran away. His father looked in his napsack before he left but thought he would come back home after he blew off some steam.

     It was thought of from the very begining of the search that Brandon might have commit suicide due to the fact that something so important(obsessive) in his life was being taken away from him for good. As a young boy he had no means to access this obsession other than at home.  Like it or not, gaming is highly addictive. Just like gambling and drugs. It ruins peoples lives, their marriages, family and well being. I trully laugh at the gambling sites out there that link their sites to a helpsite for gambling addiction. I have seen hundreds of people sit at gambling tables with diapers on so they don’t have to leave their seat to go to the washroom.  If you continue to ignore the truth about gaming addiction then I am afraid that our youth are in very serious trouble.

  314. Neeneko says:

    <i>And I also know of  two other young boys who commited suicide over the game Dungeon and Dragons. They were children of very close friends.</i>

    This right here indicates you are either (a) lieing or (b) depressingly ignorant of why these two kids probably actually commitied suicide.

    There have been zero confirmed cases of anyone commint suiced because of D&D.  There have been people who play D&D who commit suicide but there are also people who watch reality TV and kill themselves too.  A good chunk of the time D&D (or other similiar activities) keeps these kids alive longer, giving parents and friends a chance to fix the underlying cause of their depression before it hits critical.   This kid’s case might actually be a typical example of how NOT to address the issue.. see a symptom that is actually helping keep the person stable, take away their coping mechanism, and poof, nothing to keep them together.  The game keeps them alive when other influences are trying to kill them.

    If we are going to blame D&D for suicide, I can blame evangelical chrsitianity for far more people taking their own lives with much more dirrect connections.

  315. Yawheh says:

    Well I have seen an Cocaine addict defend their habbit. My 25 year old daughter who thinks their is nothing wrong with it. So I do speak from experience. No I am not Lizzy or anyone else on this site.  My Husband was one the proffesional search and Rescue members looking for Brandon. And must I say that it was not an easy task. And Yes I am angry as the rest for the police not searching earlier. But they thought they were dealing with a run away. A 15 year old run away and as law have it can leave on their own accord. The search and rescue members did the best to of their ability to search. It is very difficult to search with no clues, and so much time passed. It had snowed and there were piles of leaves that had fallen that week. So any clue was hidden. And I also know of  two other young boys who commited suicide over the game Dungeon and Dragons. They were children of very close friends.

  316. Neeneko says:

    So you choose going to a bar with people instead of a game?

    That isnt’ speaking to addiciton, that is speaking to preference.  It sounds like you felt you were enjoying the ‘wrong’ thing more then the ‘right’ thing and thus the ‘wrong’ thing must be addictive and bad because how could you possibly want to spend time doing it unless it was bad for you?

    Personally, I stay home friday nights and play games because I like them.  Going out to bars with people sounds horrible.

  317. NovaBlack says:

    ” Now I totally stay away from gaming because I know that I could get addicted.”

     

    well unfortunately thats a very fearful way to live your life.

    I mean you can get addicted to shopping, food, drinking, tv, books, sex, music, sport, exercise, working etc.

    Do you totally stay away from all these things?  I mean you pretty much have to stay indoors in an empty room,  and never leave the house if you want to totally avoid anything you can get addicted to.

     

     

  318. Yawheh says:

    Also, Not all people that drink alcohol are alcoholics, not all people that smoke marijuana are addicted, and not all people that gamble are addicted to gambling. And Not all gamers are addicted to gamming. My Husband games, but gets totally bored after a while, Myself, well I was once addicted to super mario brothers. Couldn’t get enough of the game. Would stay in on a friday night to play when all my other friends were going out having a great time at the bar. Now I totally stay away from gaming because I know that I could get addicted.

  319. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    You signed it, I seconded it.

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  320. Parallax Abstraction says:

    QFMFT.

    The general tone of people in this thread is disgusting.  Let me put this plainy:  SOMEONE’S CHILD IS DEAD.  How about we give them some time to grieve and actually have them blame his actual death on games before we start tearing them down?  I will admit, I also put out the idea that perhaps there was parenting at fault in his disappearance.  I still think it is a possibility and eventually, may very well start exploring that again.  But to see so many people in here ripping into these people who have just lost their son is appaling.  You all hate those who demonize gamers and portray us as a bunch of emotionless drones?  Well, you’re proving them all right now.  No one here who is gleefully jumping up to attack the parents is any better than Jack Thompson or any other ambulance chaser.  Mocking a tradgedy because those affecting by it disagree with your hobby makes one a terrible human being.

    Obviously not everyone is taking this stance but it seems to be the overwhelming theme here.  Those who are trying to tear down these people can attack me all you want with your bullshit "We have just as much right to defend ourselves…" and "So we’re bad people because we disagree with you?" flawed arguments that you use to rationalize your hatred and I don’t care because YOU ARE WRONG.  If you actually think that way, the gaming community as a whole is far weaker and has much less high ground to occupy because of you.

    Once again:  SOMEONE’S CHILD IS DEAD.

  321. Cecil475 says:

    It wasn’t me.

    I had really hoped that the kid would turn up. Alive I mean. Yeah, there are some very insensitive comments about the subject. In an online forum, such things are common. You can’t blame the entire community for a couple of buttheads. People are going to blame videogames, becuase its the thing now. Videogames were blamed when a couple of kids got in a wreck in Canada, and cops found a copy of Need for Speed in the kid’s car. I understand where some of these people are comming from as they have seen this before and know whats going to happen next. I don’t agree that this is the best time to be comming to this concolusion, but I do understand. 

    Your crack about us ‘writing from our high speed broadbands in our insulated houses with heating while we stuff our face(s)) while people were searching for this boy’ was highly insensitive. One, most of us are not in the area where Brandon Crisp was living, and I’m sure if we all were, we would be out there helping to find him.. But, we don’t. I, myself live in North Carolina. A little hard for me to help with the search from where I am. You may recall, That Brandon Crisp lived in Canada. By the way, Not all of us have broadband. Some of us have Dial-up. Some of us have DSL. and Some of us have Broadband. Some of us live in apartments, and not all of us are stuffing out faces as we are repling to this. I take it that since you are critizing us, that means you were not  ‘writing from your high speed broadbands in your insulated houses with heating while you stuff your face,’ and that you were out there and and helping the police, and the family find their son. If you wern’t, then you need to get off your own high horse and STFU!!!!

    Just like Jack Thompson, you just generalized ALL of us for the actions of a few. And please tell me just who the general populace are? Jack Thompson? The Parents Television Counsel? David Walsh and his NIMH? Dave Grossman? They arn’t the ‘General Populace.’ They are individuals and other special interest groups. The ‘general populace’ are normal people like you and me. The avarage citizen. The avarage citizen does not think anything of us, nor do they understand anything about this other what we, or the other individuals, and special interest groups tell them, not to mention the media, who don’t understand anything either, but want all those ratings and controverseys that come along with it.

    Is this the right time or place for what I said,


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  322. Twin-Skies says:

    Speaking of calling us out for being internet badasses, what make you any different?

    "The kid could just be a dumbshit." [

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  323. Twin-Skies says:

    Dude, I never went as far as to criticize the police about their so-called shoddy work, or the search parties who spent days looking for the kid. I just buckled up like several of the readers here, and hoped this kid would come out of this ordeal safely. Nevermind what transpired between him and his parents – that could be cleared up after he was found.

    Who the hell are you to generalize EVERYBODY here because of a couple of bad eggs? Several of us here were genuinely sympathetic to this family’s plight, and yet you chose to be deaf to our comments, instead tossing us in with the jackasses.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  324. Shahab says:

    Wow, you know I’ve been reading a lot of these comments and most of these are meant as serious, thought out, opinions. Not many people here are trying to be cruel or hurtful. Too bad you don’t like what they have to say but they have every right to say it, just like JT has every right to attack something that he probably genuinely thinks is evil.

  325. Ashton says:

    Looking through the comments here, I am generally and genuinely disgusted by the people here. I work at a hospital and have seen my share of crap, but this just takes the Goddamned cake.

    You don’t know if the parents were bad parents. Helping a rebellious kid run away has been something parents have done for ages, and even happened to the father in this case, but because this decision lead to a horrible consequence you people are ready to lynch the family because they were trying to find their son through any means possible.

    You don’t know if the police searched thoroughly or not – seriously, all of you are writing from your high speed broadbands in your insulated houses with heating while you stuff your face while people were searching for this boy and now you think you have the right to condemn them because they were trying to find the boy through any means possible.

    And now you are saying callous, heartless things just because people have DARED to portray your hobby in a somewhat negative light. You’re as bad as Jack Thompson. No, you’re worse, because you claim to be better. Remember when the gamer commited suicide and JT was there mocking us? That’s what you people remind me of now. Never mind the fact that the family must be in severe emotional turmoil over this news, or the fact that the searchers who were genuinely concerned about this boy have to recieve this news after days of fruitless searching. That doesn’t matter to you, because you’re so concerned with your agenda of being pro-gaming. You could’ve kept your mouths shut instead of acting like internet badasses and saying you’re glad/don’t care that the kid’s dead, but no, so long as you get your point across no matter what! Just like Jack Thompson, aren’t we?

    You’ve proven that everything that the general populace says of us is right on the money. Good job being part of the problem.

  326. Twin-Skies says:

    Well, to her credit, there’s also CoD4’s Open Beta phase on the Xbox 360 that came out months before the full game’s launch.  I doubt the numbers will add up though.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  327. PHOENIXZERO says:

    I’ll believe nothing they say until their IP is checked out to see if they’re actually from that area or at least near it.


  328. Paulrus says:

     UPDATE: The Facebook group has been removed by its moderator, apparently over hurtful remarks being posted.

    People who post these kinds of comments on a dead kid’s Facebook/Myspace/Blogger/etc. for the ‘lulz’ should just die. Flat out, jump in front of a moving train, die.

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  329. Ashton says:

    I dunno. Maybe you’re right, but in my opinion, if we are empathic and sympathetic in the face of a tragedy we are that much humanized in the eyes of the general populace. We shouldn’t look like people only concerned with ourselves because that only makes our task that much harder, in my opinion.

    Right now, working as an intern, people somehow think my work is tainted or somehow tarnished because I play video games, but I make sure to educate them instead of screaming, yelling, and playing the blame game. Acting like some people here have will only make our battles tougher.

  330. Twin-Skies says:

    "Police are now saying that they don’t suspect foul play."

    As PHX surmised earlier, one likely cause of death may be hypothermia. Possible given the cold, damp climate. Here’s to hoping the police update their findings soon.

    My sincere condolences to the kid’s families. I’m tempted to say something nasty to lizwool (if you are who you claim to be) for the angry, baseless rants made earlier, but in light of this tragedy, it wouldn’t be right. This is not a place to bring these sort of hostilities, and politely I ask the other readers to please do the same. Show these game-blaming crazies that we are NOT everything they assume us to be.

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

  331. TBoneTony says:

    I think the worst thing we can do is going on blaming the Videogames or the Parents…

     

    That can be done only by the police who are investigating on the matter.

     

    also the body may be him or not be him, it is too early to decide yet.

     

  332. Bennett Beeny says:

    "If the mom, the dad, AND the police don’t accept or admit that their chasing of red herrings has at least somewhat conributed to this kid’s possible death..there isn’t a SINGLE THING in place to prevent the SAME SITUATION from happening again in the future."

    QFE.

    Seems like there are two potential scenarios here:

    1.  The kid ran away and succumbed to exposure.

    2.  He killed himself.

    Either way, gaming is off the hook, and a mixture of stupidity and bad parenting is most likely to blame.

  333. metroidprimegmr says:

    I’m going to tell you a story about a man named George Santayanna. George was a great philosopher and poet who lived from 1863 to 1952. Several famous sayings can be traced back to this man. One of his most famous sayings comes from a book he wrote in 1905, called "The Life of Reason"; you might have heard it before. . .

    "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

    As horrible as this must be on the parents, cold hard facts bend to NOTHING. Everyone here knows that the truth of the matter is this:

               If the mom, the dad, AND the police don’t accept or admit that their chasing of red herrings has at least somewhat conributed to this kid’s possible death..there isn’t a SINGLE THING in place to prevent the SAME SITUATION from happening again in the future.

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  334. GrimCW says:

    because more than likely at this point the police and parents will try to cast the blame once more onto someone or something else. namely CoD4 and Microsoft.

     

    i got a bet down that they’ll even try to sue over it.

  335. the1jeffy says:

    I can’t say I’m suprised, but this really sucks to find out about. 

    ~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

  336. mogbert says:

    They didn’t really "let him", they helped him pack and gave him directions to go out into that area. I live pretty far down south and I’m cold, I immagine they weren’t having a heat wave during this.

    If he did die of exposure, then it should be noted that the difference between keeping on going when you are cold and hungry and turning around and heading home is how the parents reacted when you ran away. A simple "We don’t want you to go." may have made the difference.

    If foul play was involved, it will be a different story.

  337. barra_sadei says:

    "Video games killed Brandon Crisp!"

    At least that what anti-video game advocates will probably be saying. Police could conclude that he was stabbed to death, but they’d still blame it on video games…

    It’d be cruel if the parents weren’t at least charged with child endangerment, but they did, in a way, let it happen. Although letting them walk out the door is a generic responce to "I’m going to run away," it’s not the legally sound method… Horrible for the parents, though. I really feel for them. And if it is Brandon (I haven’t heard an update), I feel bad for him, too. Hope he didn’t die of the cold weather…

  338. gamadaya says:

    Was worried about this, hoping it wouldn’t happen, but knew it would. This has the potential to be really fucking bad for how the general public sees gamers.

  339. cpt crunchie says:

    not  exactly surprising, given he was missing for weeks. but maybe now we can clear up the story, and find out what happened.

     

     

     

    It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

  340. Serrenity says:

    Why is the sympathy false?  I don’t have to know him to know it was a tragedy and be sympathetic to the situation. 

     

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Krishnamurti

  341. DarkSaber says:

    Regrettably. But we can always hope! And you can still mock me when I die regardless of how it happens.

    I certainly wouldn’t want false sympathy from people who never had any contact with me before I snuffed it.

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  342. DarkSaber says:

    It’s got more of a sibilant sound than a hard sound…

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  343. SimonBob says:

    Eh, that’s too close to "miscreant" for my taste, which always brings to mind teenage delinquents spraypainting four-letter words onto back alley fences.  "Sociopath" has a good hard sound to it.  Ssssociopath.


    The Mammon Industry

  344. DarkSaber says:

    I prefer the term ‘misanthrope’ personally.

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  345. SimonBob says:

    Sure, I’d smile too if I were a sociopathic muttonhead with a penchant for trolling.  Luckily I actually have a certain amount of consideration for my fellow human beings.  Shove off, the both of you.


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  346. DarkSaber says:

    Made me smile.

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  347. Mnementh2230 says:

    Bummer.

     

    Hopefully both the parents and the police will learn something from this senseless and avoidable tragedy.

  348. DarkSaber says:

    Actually, yes.

    Even better would be to die in some highly stupid way that people wouldn’t help but laugh at.

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  349. Cecil475 says:

    Don’t be a twat. The kid is dead. Would you want someone talking that lightly about you like that?

     – Warren Lewis


    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  350. Zaruka says:

    that is the attitude that most imature people have just ingore them and pay recpects to the kid leet if they want to be a hollow scum let them they wont get any praise for the way they act.

    Thanks Zaruka

  351. Cecil475 says:

    "…"

     

    If this is true, then my heart goes out to the friends and family of the deceased. No one should die at the age of 15. Not when they have their whole life ahead of them. No I don’t think we should start pointing fingers as well as anyone else. But we all know that they (including you-know-who)) will start doing so just before or right after the shock wears off. I guessed he was dead..Actually seeing in print, that he was found dead..well..It’s still shocking..

    I have nothing more to say about it.

     – Warren Lewis

    Edit: grammar correction


    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  352. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    …….What the fuck?! Are you an actual gamer, or just some retarded troll? A 15 year old kid dies, and you come in here spouting that kinda bullshit? What the hell is the matter with you?!

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  353. DarkSaber says:

    Why should there be false sympathy if someone doesn’t care?

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  354. Nekowolf says:

    From what I’ve heard, I have no sympthay for the parents. It sounded like they’re more at fault for him leaving than anything else. The kid? Sure, he died. That sucks.

    Just because one can blame the parents doesn’t mean they’re heartless bastards. It just means they place their symapthy in other ways, or have other ideas of things.

  355. txshurricane says:

    What’s even less shocking is that certain trolls on Gamepolitics are going to make stupid comments like yours without any sympathy whatsoever.

  356. Mr. Stodern says:

    Shoooooooooocking.

    Parents have only themselves to blame for this, and that’s all I have to say on this from here on out.

  357. txshurricane says:

    Why does there need to be blame cast? Are you going to run away and need something to blame if you die?

  358. The BS Police says:

    As unfortinate as this news is, the only ones to blame now are the Parents and of course the Ontario Provincial Police for blundering the search in favour of checking his Xbox 360 console.

  359. hellfire7885 says:

    I’m pretty sure these results would have been better if they weren’t so intent on proving him a game addict.


  360. Cidas says:

    Very unfortunate. However, due to the abruptness in which this news comes to us, the police have probably been given leads irrellevant to videogames as there was no progress made.

  361. King of Fiji says:

    Maybe it wasn’t video games that caused him to run away but maybe he watched a certain cursed tape that caused him to try to figure out how to stop the curse from killing him in seven days.

     

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